Someone pointed out here after Cano's first year that he would be a total waste because he could not hit without PEDs and that he would never take them again and risk 24 million.
Turns out he did risk the money. I guess being known as a great hitter and making the HOF were more important to him than the money.
Guy is a product of Coors Field. Whoever signs him will regret it. He should stay with Rockies
Fake news. Same BS they said about Matt Holliday
Holliday road wRC+ with Colorado... 108
Holliday 132 wRC+ with the Cardinals on the road
"Profile: It will be tough to predict how D.J. LeMahieu will fare outside of Coors Field. For his career, he’s hit .330/.387/.448 in 1,762 at-bats in Colorado versus .264/.311/.362 on the road in 1,683 at-bats from
That guy looks pretty good in the Bronx right about now
thing people don't seem to realize is since the Rockies came into existence, they have the highest home OPS in baseball and the LOWEST road OPS in baseball which tells you that it's not simply about a "Colorado invention" it's about different swings used, about different movement of pitches, in Colorado vs. other stadiums. Unless we are to accept that in 25 years of existence, the rockies "really" had the worst (again lowest OPS on the road in baseball) hitters in baseball... OR that H/R splits when it comes to Colorado aren't a great gauge... Matt Holliday and DJ LeMahieu are 2 perfect examples of the latter.
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Bingo. That's why some guys thrive there and some guys can do fine in both venues.
Arenado strikes me as the type who will be fine out of coors because he has contact skills. This is rudimentary and I'm sure there's a more detailed way to analyze recent splits on breaking balls vs. FB, exit velo, etc. - but the guy only K's 15% of the time for his career, has a .290 career BA, and has gotten his walk rates up to almost 10% while posting lower K rates the last couple years than his career average. That is almost on par with Cano's contact skills, with more power and perhaps a once in a generation glove.
Put that guy in this lineup and I don't have very many concerns, even if he loses 5-10 homers out of Coors.
would be the best defensive 3B to ever play for the Mets.
I can live with his away from Coors numbers (even though I think he'd perform better than that - most players have better numbers at home - Wright who played a lot at Shea to be fair, but he had better home vs road splits, Nimmo and Conforto as examples are pretty even or better at home).
Just with his age and length of contract (even with the opt out) I'd be hesitant to give up a lot for him. He's a great player, but it's a salary dump for COL.
RP Jake Diekman tweeted out that he thinks Cano should be banned for life.
Call me crazy but I actually give Cano some credit for his brazeness. He risked a lot so he could play better when he very easily could have just cashed a check. I am anti-steroids and anti-cheating etc., so I don't have any sympathy for him suffering the consequences. I just view it slightly different for an older guy to try to remain in shape enough to just hang on as opposed to someone looking to augment their talent/performance in their prime. In a way doesn't it show how much he cared?
would be the best defensive 3B to ever play for the Mets.
I can live with his away from Coors numbers (even though I think he'd perform better than that - most players have better numbers at home - Wright who played a lot at Shea to be fair, but he had better home vs road splits, Nimmo and Conforto as examples are pretty even or better at home).
Just with his age and length of contract (even with the opt out) I'd be hesitant to give up a lot for him. He's a great player, but it's a salary dump for COL.
Yeah I'd give up baty and 1 of the guys off the roster like JDD or Rosario. That'd be the max though. And I'd possibly want another cost controlled player back with Arenado. His contract isn't terrible, but it's $10m more per year than JTR and Springer are likely to get - and they cost no prospects. That's what we need to leverage because they are very viable alternatives if Colorado tries to be greedy whereas I don't believe there are going to be too many other teams buying $100m+ players this offseason.
RP Jake Diekman tweeted out that he thinks Cano should be banned for life.
Call me crazy but I actually give Cano some credit for his brazeness. He risked a lot so he could play better when he very easily could have just cashed a check. I am anti-steroids and anti-cheating etc., so I don't have any sympathy for him suffering the consequences. I just view it slightly different for an older guy to try to remain in shape enough to just hang on as opposed to someone looking to augment their talent/performance in their prime. In a way doesn't it show how much he cared?
Devil's advocate was padding his HOF credentials/stats.
I mean, not to be a dick but him being suspended without pay is the 2nd best thing to happen to the Mets this month.
This scenario was never even discussed among Mets fans, but it gets Cano off the payroll for *at least* this season with no cost to get him off the payroll.
But...sometimes these guys do fail tests for innocuous inadvertent ingestion. Not saying Cano deserves the benefit of the doubt with his track record (he doesn't) or that it is likely it was inadvertent (it's not likely), but he does deserve the opportunity to explain himself.
I wonder how long the Mets have known. As I understand it they don't announce these suspensions publicly until the player and team are notified - is that right?
RP Jake Diekman tweeted out that he thinks Cano should be banned for life.
Call me crazy but I actually give Cano some credit for his brazeness. He risked a lot so he could play better when he very easily could have just cashed a check. I am anti-steroids and anti-cheating etc., so I don't have any sympathy for him suffering the consequences. I just view it slightly different for an older guy to try to remain in shape enough to just hang on as opposed to someone looking to augment their talent/performance in their prime. In a way doesn't it show how much he cared?
Devil's advocate was padding his HOF credentials/stats.
That's possible but I think he was probably already in? This is speculation but I think he's just a guy who didn't stay in good shape as he got older and was always rumored to be lazy - so my guess is he was just taking a short cut to try to remain fit enough to keep playing.
RP Jake Diekman tweeted out that he thinks Cano should be banned for life.
Call me crazy but I actually give Cano some credit for his brazeness. He risked a lot so he could play better when he very easily could have just cashed a check. I am anti-steroids and anti-cheating etc., so I don't have any sympathy for him suffering the consequences. I just view it slightly different for an older guy to try to remain in shape enough to just hang on as opposed to someone looking to augment their talent/performance in their prime. In a way doesn't it show how much he cared?
Devil's advocate was padding his HOF credentials/stats.
That's possible but I think he was probably already in? This is speculation but I think he's just a guy who didn't stay in good shape as he got older and was always rumored to be lazy - so my guess is he was just taking a short cut to try to remain fit enough to keep playing.
I don’t think he was getting in without the second violation. Really seen candidates compromised by steroid rumors, let alone suspensions. Maybe there’s a sea change happening, but if Bonds and Clemens can’t get in, I don’t see how Cano was getting in with a suspension on his ledger.
would be the best defensive 3B to ever play for the Mets.
I can live with his away from Coors numbers (even though I think he'd perform better than that - most players have better numbers at home - Wright who played a lot at Shea to be fair, but he had better home vs road splits, Nimmo and Conforto as examples are pretty even or better at home).
Just with his age and length of contract (even with the opt out) I'd be hesitant to give up a lot for him. He's a great player, but it's a salary dump for COL.
No doubt he is a good player. One of the best fielding 3B of all time.
But you should expect an .850 OPS guy.
Much better places to spend money than Arenado when you already have a decent 3B in JD.
Guy is a product of Coors Field. Whoever signs him will regret it. He should stay with Rockies
Fake news. Same BS they said about Matt Holliday
Holliday road wRC+ with Colorado... 108
Holliday 132 wRC+ with the Cardinals on the road
"Profile: It will be tough to predict how D.J. LeMahieu will fare outside of Coors Field. For his career, he’s hit .330/.387/.448 in 1,762 at-bats in Colorado versus .264/.311/.362 on the road in 1,683 at-bats from
That guy looks pretty good in the Bronx right about now
Two guys hit relatively the same home and away, so it means Arenado will too? How about the 500 guys who didn't?
Maybe he'll wind up there if he's still on the team, but that's the kind of shit that reeks of Wilpon, playing a guy out of position because you acquired him without thinking about his defense.
Davis is statistically worse at 3B than he is in the OF and he's not good at either.
he should be a DH or he should be learning 1B (which is not a need on the Mets).
Catcher: nido/ (25th)
First base: Alonso / Smith (5th)
Second base: McNeil / Guillorme / Giménez (6th)
Shortstop: Giménez / Rosario (21st)
Third base: Davis / McNeil (13th)
Left field: Smith / McNeil (15th)
Center field: Brandon Nimmo (8th)
Right field: Michael Conforto (5th)
So, if you go by these projections, catcher and SS are the two positions that need most to be addressed. Realmuto and Lindor?
Interesting that CF is really not a need, at least based on WAR.
Guy is a product of Coors Field. Whoever signs him will regret it. He should stay with Rockies
Fake news. Same BS they said about Matt Holliday
Holliday road wRC+ with Colorado... 108
Holliday 132 wRC+ with the Cardinals on the road
"Profile: It will be tough to predict how D.J. LeMahieu will fare outside of Coors Field. For his career, he’s hit .330/.387/.448 in 1,762 at-bats in Colorado versus .264/.311/.362 on the road in 1,683 at-bats from
That guy looks pretty good in the Bronx right about now
Two guys hit relatively the same home and away, so it means Arenado will too? How about the 500 guys who didn't?
So you skipped both articles I posted about and and this is your retort? Fine you’re right. Potential future HOF 3B Nolan Arenado is a Colorado product.. based on H/R splits.
his home/road splits are inauspicious, he signed for 6 more years at a very high price, he could opt out after this season. If the Mets do want to trade for him, I would expect another piece back, maybe German Marquez or Kyle Freeland if they want anything of value.
I also don't want to give up JD Davis. I think depth is a huge part of success and having a bat like JD around helps us ride out injuries that are almost certain to happen.
absolutely move Davis.He's a poor fielder and they have 2 better 1b/DH on the roster. Someone like Profar is a much better depth option. He can play every position on the field.
was tied for the worst 3b in baseball by OAA. It's a cumulative stat so despite not a ton of time there he was still -3. So he's unplayable at 3b. He's not someone you can put in late for defense in the OF, nor is he better than Alonso or Dom. So where is his value this roster? He's a trade chip, he and Rosario are their 2 best trade chips without pillaging the minors
they strike out on Springer, Bader would be worth looking into, Buxton (but I highly doubt the Twins move him now), I'd also call about Merrifield though the price might be too high. He's a very nice player
they are same age but JDD has 2 extra years of control and Nimmo has always had injury issues.
Nimmo is the better defender and CF capable.
At the plate they are both good players so it's more a question of what the preference is - RH power is always at a premium so his rare exit velocity there could be something that moves you in favor of JDD.
If all were equal I'd take Nimmo for the defense but the 2 extra years of control and injury questions make it a tougher choice.
So while it's a tough choice I don't expect the trade offers to be, so perhaps that's the differentiator. I'd expect there to be more interest in JDD since he has the extra years of control so I'd imagine he is the one that gets traded.
they are same age but JDD has 2 extra years of control and Nimmo has always had injury issues.
Nimmo is the better defender and CF capable.
At the plate they are both good players so it's more a question of what the preference is - RH power is always at a premium so his rare exit velocity there could be something that moves you in favor of JDD.
If all were equal I'd take Nimmo for the defense but the 2 extra years of control and injury questions make it a tougher choice.
So while it's a tough choice I don't expect the trade offers to be, so perhaps that's the differentiator. I'd expect there to be more interest in JDD since he has the extra years of control so I'd imagine he is the one that gets traded.
Nimmo is a MUCH better fielder. Davis was -7 OAA in LF in 2019, that's unplayable, Nimmo was +1 in LF in 2019
has been high on their list for years, Cohen wanted Heck considered over Brodie. It would be a surprise if that's not the combo.
Agreed. Interesting story btw about Chernoff here - apparently a couple years ago he'd been trying to extend Lindor early. Right around the same time he turned down the Mets interview because of the Wilpons.
they are same age but JDD has 2 extra years of control and Nimmo has always had injury issues.
Nimmo is the better defender and CF capable.
At the plate they are both good players so it's more a question of what the preference is - RH power is always at a premium so his rare exit velocity there could be something that moves you in favor of JDD.
If all were equal I'd take Nimmo for the defense but the 2 extra years of control and injury questions make it a tougher choice.
So while it's a tough choice I don't expect the trade offers to be, so perhaps that's the differentiator. I'd expect there to be more interest in JDD since he has the extra years of control so I'd imagine he is the one that gets traded.
Nimmo is a MUCH better fielder. Davis was -7 OAA in LF in 2019, that's unplayable, Nimmo was +1 in LF in 2019
No question but if I recall JDD hadn't ever consistently played LF before (even in the minors) so I'd expect he might be able to improve closer to playable given the chance.
Just tweeted out “not that I’m aware of” in regard to Chernoff but maybe he’s either playing dumb for Chernoff’s sake or playing up the fact he’s hands off
are basically JDD's only innings playing in the OF at any level even going back to HS and CBB. In the literal 15+ years since little league the guy has played less than 1 of those seasons as an OF'er and preparing for that.
We saw some improvement from him at 3b this past year and he has a big arm. Not unlike Conforto he had a multi-sport background so he's got some athleticism. Scouts say fielding is considered to be the tool that can be most improved as a professional with practice. If allowed to focus full time on LF I'd almost guarantee there would be improvement it's just a question of how much.
can improve their D to an extent - like Wade Boggs - he worked his ass off. but that was not a new position (though he did move off SS early in his development) - he didn't learn a new position in his late 20's. Jeter too - he improved his D to an extent.
I'm not sure Davis will ever be an adequate defender - so I won't say never - but he's not now and I would be hesitant to make transactions that would force the team to rely on him day in day out as a regular fielder.
This is just my preference. I would build my team based on defense and pitching. You need offense so I wouldn't obviously ignore it, but to be a lineup regular on my team defense cannot be square peg in round hole.
can improve their D to an extent - like Wade Boggs - he worked his ass off. but that was not a new position (though he did move off SS early in his development) - he didn't learn a new position in his late 20's. Jeter too - he improved his D to an extent.
I'm not sure Davis will ever be an adequate defender - so I won't say never - but he's not now and I would be hesitant to make transactions that would force the team to rely on him day in day out as a regular fielder.
This is just my preference. I would build my team based on defense and pitching. You need offense so I wouldn't obviously ignore it, but to be a lineup regular on my team defense cannot be square peg in round hole.
No disagreement there. Like I said I'd choose Nimmo over JDD for LF primarily because of defense.
I just wouldn't completely write-off JDD because he has legitimate talent as a hitter. Enough that I'd be willing to give him a chance at a low impact defensive position because at worst he is a very valuable bat off the bench.
Sigh...hopefully this ends the decades long stretch of moronic trades and moves under the Wilpon leadership.
Turns out he did risk the money. I guess being known as a great hitter and making the HOF were more important to him than the money.
Avg: 263
OPS 793
Home stats:
AVG 322
OPS 985
Guy is a product of Coors Field. Whoever signs him will regret it. He should stay with Rockies
Can we use 24mm to bring back MVPlaw?
Only question that needs an answer.
Avg: 263
OPS 793
Home stats:
AVG 322
OPS 985
Guy is a product of Coors Field. Whoever signs him will regret it. He should stay with Rockies
Fake news. Same BS they said about Matt Holliday
Holliday road wRC+ with Colorado... 108
Holliday 132 wRC+ with the Cardinals on the road
"Profile: It will be tough to predict how D.J. LeMahieu will fare outside of Coors Field. For his career, he’s hit .330/.387/.448 in 1,762 at-bats in Colorado versus .264/.311/.362 on the road in 1,683 at-bats from
That guy looks pretty good in the Bronx right about now
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Bingo. That's why some guys thrive there and some guys can do fine in both venues.
Arenado strikes me as the type who will be fine out of coors because he has contact skills. This is rudimentary and I'm sure there's a more detailed way to analyze recent splits on breaking balls vs. FB, exit velo, etc. - but the guy only K's 15% of the time for his career, has a .290 career BA, and has gotten his walk rates up to almost 10% while posting lower K rates the last couple years than his career average. That is almost on par with Cano's contact skills, with more power and perhaps a once in a generation glove.
Put that guy in this lineup and I don't have very many concerns, even if he loses 5-10 homers out of Coors.
I can live with his away from Coors numbers (even though I think he'd perform better than that - most players have better numbers at home - Wright who played a lot at Shea to be fair, but he had better home vs road splits, Nimmo and Conforto as examples are pretty even or better at home).
Just with his age and length of contract (even with the opt out) I'd be hesitant to give up a lot for him. He's a great player, but it's a salary dump for COL.
Call me crazy but I actually give Cano some credit for his brazeness. He risked a lot so he could play better when he very easily could have just cashed a check. I am anti-steroids and anti-cheating etc., so I don't have any sympathy for him suffering the consequences. I just view it slightly different for an older guy to try to remain in shape enough to just hang on as opposed to someone looking to augment their talent/performance in their prime. In a way doesn't it show how much he cared?
I can live with his away from Coors numbers (even though I think he'd perform better than that - most players have better numbers at home - Wright who played a lot at Shea to be fair, but he had better home vs road splits, Nimmo and Conforto as examples are pretty even or better at home).
Just with his age and length of contract (even with the opt out) I'd be hesitant to give up a lot for him. He's a great player, but it's a salary dump for COL.
Yeah I'd give up baty and 1 of the guys off the roster like JDD or Rosario. That'd be the max though. And I'd possibly want another cost controlled player back with Arenado. His contract isn't terrible, but it's $10m more per year than JTR and Springer are likely to get - and they cost no prospects. That's what we need to leverage because they are very viable alternatives if Colorado tries to be greedy whereas I don't believe there are going to be too many other teams buying $100m+ players this offseason.
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RP Jake Diekman tweeted out that he thinks Cano should be banned for life.
Call me crazy but I actually give Cano some credit for his brazeness. He risked a lot so he could play better when he very easily could have just cashed a check. I am anti-steroids and anti-cheating etc., so I don't have any sympathy for him suffering the consequences. I just view it slightly different for an older guy to try to remain in shape enough to just hang on as opposed to someone looking to augment their talent/performance in their prime. In a way doesn't it show how much he cared?
Devil's advocate was padding his HOF credentials/stats.
I mean, not to be a dick but him being suspended without pay is the 2nd best thing to happen to the Mets this month.
This scenario was never even discussed among Mets fans, but it gets Cano off the payroll for *at least* this season with no cost to get him off the payroll.
But...sometimes these guys do fail tests for innocuous inadvertent ingestion. Not saying Cano deserves the benefit of the doubt with his track record (he doesn't) or that it is likely it was inadvertent (it's not likely), but he does deserve the opportunity to explain himself.
I wonder how long the Mets have known. As I understand it they don't announce these suspensions publicly until the player and team are notified - is that right?
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RP Jake Diekman tweeted out that he thinks Cano should be banned for life.
Call me crazy but I actually give Cano some credit for his brazeness. He risked a lot so he could play better when he very easily could have just cashed a check. I am anti-steroids and anti-cheating etc., so I don't have any sympathy for him suffering the consequences. I just view it slightly different for an older guy to try to remain in shape enough to just hang on as opposed to someone looking to augment their talent/performance in their prime. In a way doesn't it show how much he cared?
Devil's advocate was padding his HOF credentials/stats.
That's possible but I think he was probably already in? This is speculation but I think he's just a guy who didn't stay in good shape as he got older and was always rumored to be lazy - so my guess is he was just taking a short cut to try to remain fit enough to keep playing.
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RP Jake Diekman tweeted out that he thinks Cano should be banned for life.
Call me crazy but I actually give Cano some credit for his brazeness. He risked a lot so he could play better when he very easily could have just cashed a check. I am anti-steroids and anti-cheating etc., so I don't have any sympathy for him suffering the consequences. I just view it slightly different for an older guy to try to remain in shape enough to just hang on as opposed to someone looking to augment their talent/performance in their prime. In a way doesn't it show how much he cared?
Devil's advocate was padding his HOF credentials/stats.
That's possible but I think he was probably already in? This is speculation but I think he's just a guy who didn't stay in good shape as he got older and was always rumored to be lazy - so my guess is he was just taking a short cut to try to remain fit enough to keep playing.
I don’t think he was getting in without the second violation. Really seen candidates compromised by steroid rumors, let alone suspensions. Maybe there’s a sea change happening, but if Bonds and Clemens can’t get in, I don’t see how Cano was getting in with a suspension on his ledger.
I can live with his away from Coors numbers (even though I think he'd perform better than that - most players have better numbers at home - Wright who played a lot at Shea to be fair, but he had better home vs road splits, Nimmo and Conforto as examples are pretty even or better at home).
Just with his age and length of contract (even with the opt out) I'd be hesitant to give up a lot for him. He's a great player, but it's a salary dump for COL.
No doubt he is a good player. One of the best fielding 3B of all time.
But you should expect an .850 OPS guy.
Much better places to spend money than Arenado when you already have a decent 3B in JD.
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Avg: 263
OPS 793
Home stats:
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OPS 985
Guy is a product of Coors Field. Whoever signs him will regret it. He should stay with Rockies
Fake news. Same BS they said about Matt Holliday
Holliday road wRC+ with Colorado... 108
Holliday 132 wRC+ with the Cardinals on the road
"Profile: It will be tough to predict how D.J. LeMahieu will fare outside of Coors Field. For his career, he’s hit .330/.387/.448 in 1,762 at-bats in Colorado versus .264/.311/.362 on the road in 1,683 at-bats from
That guy looks pretty good in the Bronx right about now
Two guys hit relatively the same home and away, so it means Arenado will too? How about the 500 guys who didn't?
Maybe he'll wind up there if he's still on the team, but that's the kind of shit that reeks of Wilpon, playing a guy out of position because you acquired him without thinking about his defense.
Davis is statistically worse at 3B than he is in the OF and he's not good at either.
he should be a DH or he should be learning 1B (which is not a need on the Mets).
First base: Alonso / Smith (5th)
Second base: McNeil / Guillorme / Giménez (6th)
Shortstop: Giménez / Rosario (21st)
Third base: Davis / McNeil (13th)
Left field: Smith / McNeil (15th)
Center field: Brandon Nimmo (8th)
Right field: Michael Conforto (5th)
So, if you go by these projections, catcher and SS are the two positions that need most to be addressed. Realmuto and Lindor?
Interesting that CF is really not a need, at least based on WAR.
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Road stats (career):
Avg: 263
OPS 793
Home stats:
AVG 322
OPS 985
Guy is a product of Coors Field. Whoever signs him will regret it. He should stay with Rockies
Fake news. Same BS they said about Matt Holliday
Holliday road wRC+ with Colorado... 108
Holliday 132 wRC+ with the Cardinals on the road
"Profile: It will be tough to predict how D.J. LeMahieu will fare outside of Coors Field. For his career, he’s hit .330/.387/.448 in 1,762 at-bats in Colorado versus .264/.311/.362 on the road in 1,683 at-bats from
That guy looks pretty good in the Bronx right about now
Two guys hit relatively the same home and away, so it means Arenado will too? How about the 500 guys who didn't?
So you skipped both articles I posted about and and this is your retort? Fine you’re right. Potential future HOF 3B Nolan Arenado is a Colorado product.. based on H/R splits.
I also don't want to give up JD Davis. I think depth is a huge part of success and having a bat like JD around helps us ride out injuries that are almost certain to happen.
Springer should be CF, Nimmo LF, Dom at 1b, McNeil 2b, bring in a real 3b (even Profar paired with someone else).
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Profar .248/.333/.431 45 extra base hits, 7 steals 1.9 fWAR (128 games)
Davis .262/.321/.464 45 extra base hits 0.7 fWAR (126 games)
Buxton .243/.302/.442 38 extra base hits 14 steals 2.0 fWAR (only 103 games)
Nimmo is the better defender and CF capable.
At the plate they are both good players so it's more a question of what the preference is - RH power is always at a premium so his rare exit velocity there could be something that moves you in favor of JDD.
If all were equal I'd take Nimmo for the defense but the 2 extra years of control and injury questions make it a tougher choice.
So while it's a tough choice I don't expect the trade offers to be, so perhaps that's the differentiator. I'd expect there to be more interest in JDD since he has the extra years of control so I'd imagine he is the one that gets traded.
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Not sure this happens if he isn't the guy. Guess we will see but I expect this is our new president.
Nimmo is the better defender and CF capable.
At the plate they are both good players so it's more a question of what the preference is - RH power is always at a premium so his rare exit velocity there could be something that moves you in favor of JDD.
If all were equal I'd take Nimmo for the defense but the 2 extra years of control and injury questions make it a tougher choice.
So while it's a tough choice I don't expect the trade offers to be, so perhaps that's the differentiator. I'd expect there to be more interest in JDD since he has the extra years of control so I'd imagine he is the one that gets traded.
Nimmo is a MUCH better fielder. Davis was -7 OAA in LF in 2019, that's unplayable, Nimmo was +1 in LF in 2019
Agreed. Interesting story btw about Chernoff here - apparently a couple years ago he'd been trying to extend Lindor early. Right around the same time he turned down the Mets interview because of the Wilpons.
Perhaps 2 years later he's able to close the deal on both.
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they are same age but JDD has 2 extra years of control and Nimmo has always had injury issues.
Nimmo is the better defender and CF capable.
At the plate they are both good players so it's more a question of what the preference is - RH power is always at a premium so his rare exit velocity there could be something that moves you in favor of JDD.
If all were equal I'd take Nimmo for the defense but the 2 extra years of control and injury questions make it a tougher choice.
So while it's a tough choice I don't expect the trade offers to be, so perhaps that's the differentiator. I'd expect there to be more interest in JDD since he has the extra years of control so I'd imagine he is the one that gets traded.
Nimmo is a MUCH better fielder. Davis was -7 OAA in LF in 2019, that's unplayable, Nimmo was +1 in LF in 2019
No question but if I recall JDD hadn't ever consistently played LF before (even in the minors) so I'd expect he might be able to improve closer to playable given the chance.
I guess maybe PH like Rusty Staub late in his career.
He is almost equally bad in OF as he is at 3B, but 3B generally you get more chances and it's supposedly his natural position.
Davis:
Career at 3B: 770 innings (so roughly half a season and 152 plays) and -19 DRS
Carrer in OF: 663 innings and 75 plays and -12 DRS
Nimmo:
Nimmo's career in the OF 2481 innings and 426 plays and -10 DRS - so basically MUCH better than JD Davis.
And if you remove the -14 DRS from CF Nimmo is not a liability AT ALL, he's a plus defender if a >0 DRS makes you a plus defender.
that's if you trust DRS...
I guess maybe PH like Rusty Staub late in his career.
He is almost equally bad in OF as he is at 3B, but 3B generally you get more chances and it's supposedly his natural position.
Davis:
Career at 3B: 770 innings (so roughly half a season and 152 plays) and -19 DRS
Carrer in OF: 663 innings and 75 plays and -12 DRS
Nimmo:
Nimmo's career in the OF 2481 innings and 426 plays and -10 DRS - so basically MUCH better than JD Davis.
And if you remove the -14 DRS from CF Nimmo is not a liability AT ALL, he's a plus defender if a >0 DRS makes you a plus defender.
that's if you trust DRS...
OAA says essentially the same about both players FWIW
We saw some improvement from him at 3b this past year and he has a big arm. Not unlike Conforto he had a multi-sport background so he's got some athleticism. Scouts say fielding is considered to be the tool that can be most improved as a professional with practice. If allowed to focus full time on LF I'd almost guarantee there would be improvement it's just a question of how much.
I'm not sure Davis will ever be an adequate defender - so I won't say never - but he's not now and I would be hesitant to make transactions that would force the team to rely on him day in day out as a regular fielder.
This is just my preference. I would build my team based on defense and pitching. You need offense so I wouldn't obviously ignore it, but to be a lineup regular on my team defense cannot be square peg in round hole.
I'm not sure Davis will ever be an adequate defender - so I won't say never - but he's not now and I would be hesitant to make transactions that would force the team to rely on him day in day out as a regular fielder.
This is just my preference. I would build my team based on defense and pitching. You need offense so I wouldn't obviously ignore it, but to be a lineup regular on my team defense cannot be square peg in round hole.
No disagreement there. Like I said I'd choose Nimmo over JDD for LF primarily because of defense.
I just wouldn't completely write-off JDD because he has legitimate talent as a hitter. Enough that I'd be willing to give him a chance at a low impact defensive position because at worst he is a very valuable bat off the bench.