Does anyone else hate this saying? To me the two types of people that say that are a) Nostalgic for Bill Parcells b) Need to show how competitive they are. Who cares how close it was it's all about winning!
I can see it from Parcells's standpoint. He doesn't want his team being ok with losses or making excuses. It's a motivational tactic. But if you're trying to objectively analyze a team it's a terrible measure for many reasons. Here are a few:
1) If we're talking about projections, the margin of losses and difficulty of schedule played matters. If your team is 4-4 and you had the toughest schedule in the league you're most likely better than 4-4 after playing the easiest schedule in the league. And if you're projecting the second half of the season against similar strength of schedule, the first team will more likely do better. Same thing about margin of victory.
2) If one team is a bunch of vets that have played uneven and the other team is a young team that started off 0-4 and have been improving, there's a significant difference when projecting the last 8 games and beyond.
3) I've been posting here for a while, back when we were good. I've never seen that quote used when someone was trying to diminish a good record as a way to defend the record. Or at the very least I've seen it used a lot less in that situation. It's always used by curmudgeons who want to diminish a team playing hard and sometimes even well in losses. If you only use this quote to rain on people's parade when the Giants were 1-7 and playing better than their record indicated but not when the Giants were 6-2 but looking worse than the record then you're just a negative Nancy and don't actually believe in this quote.
It's disappointing the team is 3-7, but I see a lot of positives and things the Giants and Judge can build from this year.
But would they be the same team as if they were a veteran team that lost their last 7 in blowout fashion?
Haha, or "with all due respect".
I hope there are no mirrors in your home
Haha, or "with all due respect".
yeah especially when the person in question has not earned any respect yet
What this has to do with the 3-7 Giants, I'm not clear about.
Parcells was RIGHT. You ARE what your record says you are.
That doesn't mean the arrow can't be pointing UP, but if you finish strong, and you're 5-11, you may be seeing progress, but you shouldn't assume you next season will be a winning one.
Put it another way, it's hard to achieve a very misleading W-L record in the NFL.
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back a 9-7 Cardinals team made it all the way to the SB and was one play away from winning it all. I prefer "on any given day."
What this has to do with the 3-7 Giants, I'm not clear about.
Absolutely nothing. Simply poking holes in the "you are what your record says," quote. I was unaware it needed to be about the Giants. Thank you for enlightening me. I feel smarter already.
In contrast, there is college football where there is an uneven distribution of talent. So if you are undefeated in the Mountain West Conference it doesn't mean you are in the same class as a one or two loss Alabama team in the SEC.
"You are what your record says you are."
However, in terms of whether I have used the quote effectively and in proper context, I...stand on my record. ;-)
The only thing I will say to this is, the NFL season is a small sample size - 16 games. Turnovers, penalties, lucky breaks can sway your record.
MLB is much different - large sample size where things even out over the course of a season. Same w/ the NBA/NHL.
This saying from Parcells is nice at the end of a season when you've either overachieved or underachieved.
Who cares what the record of the Giants is right now......it's all about progress and getting young players to understand NFL football.
Save the term for when the Giants are contenders - and either suceeed or don't.
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"Negative Nancy" a lot more.
I hope there are no mirrors in your home
Yep, plenty. Don't confuse negative with objective.
She would be a bike..
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Good find!
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Yay, can't wait to put the Gil Brandt underachieving team award in the trophy case.
In contrast, there is college football where there is an uneven distribution of talent. So if you are undefeated in the Mountain West Conference it doesn't mean you are in the same class as a one or two loss Alabama team in the SEC.
But that doesn’t take into account the uneven distribution of FO talent...
They don’t award playoff seeds mid season and they don’t award points for close, well fought games.
Power rankings don’t matter at the end of the season.
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I think you pretty much are what your record says you are largely due to how the league is structured. The aim is to distribute talent as evenly as possible. While there isn't a perfect distribution of talent, and it's hard to quantify injuries, the draft set-up, free agency, hard cap, etc get pretty damn close. And a sixteen game season seems to be more than a fair sample size to judge.
In contrast, there is college football where there is an uneven distribution of talent. So if you are undefeated in the Mountain West Conference it doesn't mean you are in the same class as a one or two loss Alabama team in the SEC.
But that doesn’t take into account the uneven distribution of FO talent...
Well played.
Losses are losses but wins aren't wins as long as they're against bad teams.
3-2 with a meaningful game, their record says they are trending up, with a shot at winning the division.
3-2 with a meaningful game, their record says they are trending up, with a shot at winning the division.
It also means they started playing lesser teams, like the ones in their division.
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If Jones had even an average Jones game, they beat a pretty damn good Tampa team. Aside from Jones, the rest of the team clearly out played Tampa. Ryan Lewis and Engram pretty much blew the games to Philly and Dallas. Most games come down to just a handful of plays.
And far as other teams adjusting and scheming to take away Jones runs, that just means other things will open up. If that means safeties need to stay closer to the line, that means parts of the field will be more open. If it means LBs need to stay closer, then the area behind the LBs will be open or the flats.....it is then up to Jones to read that and make the adjustment.
The absolute worst and laziest cop out! Can't stand "it"!
a better lay?
However- the Giants could win the division. Hold on to that rather than focus on the other.