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Thursday Night Football - Cardinals at Seahawks

EricJ : 11/19/2020 7:43 pm
who is winning tonight? Should be a lot of points scored
Hoping for a nice 90 point game  
UConn4523 : 11/19/2020 7:46 pm : link
haha. Two top 5 QBs going at it, hopefully a good TNF game for a change.
RE: Hoping for a nice 90 point game  
EricJ : 11/19/2020 7:47 pm : link
In comment 15051734 UConn4523 said:
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haha. Two top 5 QBs going at it, hopefully a good TNF game for a change.


The Seattle defense has been shit but they are hard to beat at home.
I think Seattle.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/19/2020 7:48 pm : link
That's a stadium I'd like to get to sometime. Seattle is an awesome city, very underrated.
RE: I think Seattle.  
EricJ : 11/19/2020 8:06 pm : link
In comment 15051739 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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That's a stadium I'd like to get to sometime. Seattle is an awesome city, very underrated.


Been there many times. I think beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Nice place to visit but not the best place to live and work.
I think Seattle wins  
JoeyBigBlue : 11/19/2020 8:19 pm : link
Russell Wilson was getting heat for a bad game against the Rams, and he’s going to go HAM. I expect a high scoring 37-30 type game for Seattle.
Interesting game to watch since we play all these guys soon  
DonQuixote : 11/19/2020 8:31 pm : link
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RE: RE: I think Seattle.  
Johnny5 : 11/19/2020 8:47 pm : link
In comment 15051752 EricJ said:
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That's a stadium I'd like to get to sometime. Seattle is an awesome city, very underrated.



Been there many times. I think beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Nice place to visit but not the best place to live and work.

I enjoy it... but man there is a HUGE homeless problem there. It was eye opening the last time I was there last year.
RE: I think Seattle.  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/19/2020 8:51 pm : link
In comment 15051739 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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That's a stadium I'd like to get to sometime. Seattle is an awesome city, very underrated.


The city is awesome, it’s the people that suck. Although that’s changing a bit.
Playing DK in fantasy  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/19/2020 8:53 pm : link
Hopefully that’s wake up call that Peterson can’t hold up on him without safety help.
I was so wrong about Murray...  
bw in dc : 11/19/2020 9:11 pm : link
I brought him up early in the 2018 college season as a player to watch. I had never seen anyone like him as a D1 college QB - the arm talent, the speed, and the impeccable quickness.

But as a guy who puts a lot of stock in size, I just couldn't endorse him as a high pick. I thought for sure his diminutive stature would backfire.

However, I watch him now and he's an absolute marvel. He plays like he's 6'2". Every skill he showed at Oklahoma has conveyed to the pros. His ability to make throws off balance, off script, make plays with his legs is the highest level stuff.

A MVP candidate for this year and many years to come...
Russel Wilson just missed one.  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/19/2020 9:13 pm : link
Sometimes I wonder if people here watch other games in NFL. Every QB misses 1 or 2 a game. The only one I can thing of that didn’t was Brees in his prime.
RE: I was so wrong about Murray...  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/19/2020 9:16 pm : link
In comment 15051779 bw in dc said:
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I brought him up early in the 2018 college season as a player to watch. I had never seen anyone like him as a D1 college QB - the arm talent, the speed, and the impeccable quickness.

But as a guy who puts a lot of stock in size, I just couldn't endorse him as a high pick. I thought for sure his diminutive stature would backfire.

However, I watch him now and he's an absolute marvel. He plays like he's 6'2". Every skill he showed at Oklahoma has conveyed to the pros. His ability to make throws off balance, off script, make plays with his legs is the highest level stuff.

A MVP candidate for this year and many years to come...


Maybe. I was a big believer of his coming out because I was really annoyed by the size talk. However, what they are running is very novel in the NFL. Very curious what the NFL comes up with this offseason. KK may have a revolutionary scheme and the player to run it, but he’s another guy with piss poor in game decision making with an undisciplined football team.
Pugh  
VanillaVick : 11/19/2020 9:28 pm : link
Is a dumpster fire
From  
Toth029 : 11/19/2020 9:30 pm : link
2013 til he left, Pugh was the teams best .

That's bad. This previous regime sucked so much ass rebuilding the line.
The entire story of this game so far  
Prude : 11/19/2020 9:35 pm : link
Why is Arizona only rushing 2 or 3 guys on defense? Giving Russell all day in the pocket is not a good idea.

Seattle is bring in 5-6 and Kyler is rustled.
Patrick Peterson  
cjac : 11/19/2020 9:52 pm : link
Hasn’t been good in years. The missed the window to trade him a long time ago.
RE: I was so wrong about Murray...  
DonQuixote : 11/19/2020 9:55 pm : link
In comment 15051779 bw in dc said:
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I brought him up early in the 2018 college season as a player to watch. I had never seen anyone like him as a D1 college QB - the arm talent, the speed, and the impeccable quickness.

But as a guy who puts a lot of stock in size, I just couldn't endorse him as a high pick. I thought for sure his diminutive stature would backfire.

However, I watch him now and he's an absolute marvel. He plays like he's 6'2". Every skill he showed at Oklahoma has conveyed to the pros. His ability to make throws off balance, off script, make plays with his legs is the highest level stuff.

A MVP candidate for this year and many years to come...


I guess we're not watching the same game. I see the remarkable throws off the scramble from time to time, but Wilson is outplaying him by far at the half.
DK Metcalf...  
bw in dc : 11/19/2020 9:55 pm : link
is an Adonis with amazing speed and size.

But his hands are average...at best.
RE: The entire story of this game so far  
jnoble : 11/19/2020 9:59 pm : link
In comment 15051790 Prude said:
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Why is Arizona only rushing 2 or 3 guys on defense? Giving Russell all day in the pocket is not a good idea.

Seattle is bring in 5-6 and Kyler is rustled.


We're going to get our asses handed to us by either of these teams in the coming games if our D doesn't show up to play
Decent  
Toth029 : 11/19/2020 9:59 pm : link
OL on the Cards but they have lots of nice weapons on offense.

Don't buy the Murray-MVP talk. Brees, Brady, Rodgers, and Wilson are above him anyway. Then there's this guy in KC.
RE: Decent  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/19/2020 10:01 pm : link
In comment 15051804 Toth029 said:
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OL on the Cards but they have lots of nice weapons on offense.

Don't buy the Murray-MVP talk. Brees, Brady, Rodgers, and Wilson are above him anyway. Then there's this guy in KC.


Murray is certainly ahead of Brady and Brees at this point. It’s not 2015 anymore.
RE: RE: I was so wrong about Murray...  
bw in dc : 11/19/2020 10:02 pm : link
In comment 15051798 DonQuixote said:
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I brought him up early in the 2018 college season as a player to watch. I had never seen anyone like him as a D1 college QB - the arm talent, the speed, and the impeccable quickness.

But as a guy who puts a lot of stock in size, I just couldn't endorse him as a high pick. I thought for sure his diminutive stature would backfire.

However, I watch him now and he's an absolute marvel. He plays like he's 6'2". Every skill he showed at Oklahoma has conveyed to the pros. His ability to make throws off balance, off script, make plays with his legs is the highest level stuff.

A MVP candidate for this year and many years to come...



I guess we're not watching the same game. I see the remarkable throws off the scramble from time to time, but Wilson is outplaying him by far at the half.


I have no idea what you are talking about. My comments weren't about this game. They were about Murray in general.
RE: RE: Decent  
jomps : 11/19/2020 10:04 pm : link
In comment 15051805 Zeke's Alibi said:
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OL on the Cards but they have lots of nice weapons on offense.

Don't buy the Murray-MVP talk. Brees, Brady, Rodgers, and Wilson are above him anyway. Then there's this guy in KC.



Murray is certainly ahead of Brady and Brees at this point. It’s not 2015 anymore.


I agree about Brady, not sure about Brees, but for me Big Ben and Allen are playing even better than Murray so far.
RE: RE: The entire story of this game so far  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/19/2020 10:05 pm : link
In comment 15051803 jnoble said:
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Why is Arizona only rushing 2 or 3 guys on defense? Giving Russell all day in the pocket is not a good idea.

Seattle is bring in 5-6 and Kyler is rustled.



We're going to get our asses handed to us by either of these teams in the coming games if our D doesn't show up to play


I see one defensive front we’ll manhandle and the Hawks defense are going to have lots of trouble with Engram, Slayton, and DJs speed.
RE: Decent  
bw in dc : 11/19/2020 10:05 pm : link
In comment 15051804 Toth029 said:
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OL on the Cards but they have lots of nice weapons on offense.

Don't buy the Murray-MVP talk. Brees, Brady, Rodgers, and Wilson are above him anyway. Then there's this guy in KC.


Murray is likely going to going to throw for 4K yards, rush for 1K yards and lead his team to the playoffs in the toughest division in the NFL. So that is MVP-ish in my book...

And for the record, all the QBs you mentioned also are loaded with weapons.
How  
AcidTest : 11/19/2020 10:07 pm : link
did Metcalf drop that TD pass? It hit him right in the facemask.
RE: RE: RE: I was so wrong about Murray...  
DonQuixote : 11/19/2020 10:09 pm : link
In comment 15051807 bw in dc said:
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In comment 15051798 DonQuixote said:


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In comment 15051779 bw in dc said:


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I brought him up early in the 2018 college season as a player to watch. I had never seen anyone like him as a D1 college QB - the arm talent, the speed, and the impeccable quickness.

But as a guy who puts a lot of stock in size, I just couldn't endorse him as a high pick. I thought for sure his diminutive stature would backfire.

However, I watch him now and he's an absolute marvel. He plays like he's 6'2". Every skill he showed at Oklahoma has conveyed to the pros. His ability to make throws off balance, off script, make plays with his legs is the highest level stuff.

A MVP candidate for this year and many years to come...



I guess we're not watching the same game. I see the remarkable throws off the scramble from time to time, but Wilson is outplaying him by far at the half.



I have no idea what you are talking about. My comments weren't about this game. They were about Murray in general.


I was posting in a game thread between the Seahawks and the Cardinals ...
Mahomes is the easy MVP right now  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 11/19/2020 10:09 pm : link
But Murray is certainly a hell of a player.
Stupid  
AcidTest : 11/19/2020 10:10 pm : link
play by Diggs gives the Cardinals a first down on third and long.
The only shot we have at 7-9  
cjac : 11/19/2020 10:11 pm : link
Is beating Balt, Cincy, Cleveland and Dallas

We can’t beat either of these teams.
RE: The only shot we have at 7-9  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/19/2020 10:18 pm : link
In comment 15051820 cjac said:
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Is beating Balt, Cincy, Cleveland and Dallas

We can’t beat either of these teams.


What are you talking about? I see two undisciplined teams with poor defenses getting bailed out by sloppy offensive play. It’s a Thursday game, but neither of these teams look sharp.
RE: RE: The only shot we have at 7-9  
cjac : 11/19/2020 10:20 pm : link
In comment 15051823 Zeke's Alibi said:
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Is beating Balt, Cincy, Cleveland and Dallas

We can’t beat either of these teams.



What are you talking about? I see two undisciplined teams with poor defenses getting bailed out by sloppy offensive play. It’s a Thursday game, but neither of these teams look sharp.


Don’t we have some bet going that involves tickets to a game?
I’ll add this  
cjac : 11/19/2020 10:27 pm : link
The Giants don’t have a win against a team with a winning record

Let’s see if that happens this year.
I forgot about that. Said you’d give me the tickets to our home  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/19/2020 10:31 pm : link
Playoff game lol. Have we beaten a team with a winning record yet? No, but we’ve been awfully close and we are playing better football seemingly every week.
It's not just that they're winning  
DonQuixote : 11/19/2020 10:32 pm : link
the Seahawks look like the more physical team. I'd put a better chance on a win against the Cardinals.
I have the utmost respect...  
bw in dc : 11/19/2020 10:35 pm : link
for Wilson but Seattle really bothers me. They always seem to get away with a lot more stuff and seem to carry around a very big rabbit's foot...
Is  
AcidTest : 11/19/2020 10:36 pm : link
there anything dumber than a bunch of guys in helmets taking swings at each other?
RE: I forgot about that. Said you’d give me the tickets to our home  
cjac : 11/19/2020 10:38 pm : link
In comment 15051833 Zeke's Alibi said:
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Playoff game lol. Have we beaten a team with a winning record yet? No, but we’ve been awfully close and we are playing better football seemingly every week.


I said I’d give you tickets to a regular season game if we make the playoffs this year.

Let’s not get crazy
Metcalf  
JoeyBigBlue : 11/19/2020 10:45 pm : link
Is a faster version of TO. Not as good a route runner yet, but both guys are about the same size and both have decent but not great hands.
Simmons having a very good game for Cardinals  
Rick in Dallas : 11/19/2020 11:14 pm : link
Vance Joseph calling a lot of blitzes... very aggressive.
One other comment on Cardinals is that their OL is very shaky
Aikman and Buck not realizing  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 11/19/2020 11:19 pm : link
Why this challenge was made lol.
RE: Simmons having a very good game for Cardinals  
bw in dc : 11/20/2020 12:01 am : link
In comment 15051846 Rick in Dallas said:
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Vance Joseph calling a lot of blitzes... very aggressive.
One other comment on Cardinals is that their OL is very shaky


Simmons did look good. He looked thicker, too...to me, anyway.
RE: How  
moze1021 : 11/20/2020 7:27 am : link
In comment 15051814 AcidTest said:
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did Metcalf drop that TD pass? It hit him right in the facemask.


That was the most disappointing 13.6 point fantasy game I've ever witnessed...

DK had a 41 yard reception nullified by a questionable holding call, got tackled by Peterson on another deep ball that would have been a huge play, dropped the TD Pass you are referencing, and dropped that crossing route where he could have been off to the races for a long TD...



RE: Simmons having a very good game for Cardinals  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/20/2020 9:11 am : link
In comment 15051846 Rick in Dallas said:
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Vance Joseph calling a lot of blitzes... very aggressive.
One other comment on Cardinals is that their OL is very shaky


If Engram and Slayton catch the ball we are going to either shred them through the air, or bully their light front on the ground. These next three games are going to look much different than what we’ve played this year
RE: I’ll add this  
djm : 11/20/2020 10:02 am : link
In comment 15051831 cjac said:
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The Giants don’t have a win against a team with a winning record

Let’s see if that happens this year.


True but what happened in September through October might as well be 3 years ago. I’m not giving this team 6 wins let alone 7 just yet, but the giants are clearly playing much better ball than 6 weeks prior.

Let’s see it shake out. Ravens were unbeatable last month. Now they look ordinary. And I can’t put the cards in unbeatable territory just yet, no matter how awesome murray is. That team is solid but slow down.
You have to focus on the little things when watching this team...  
EricJ : 11/20/2020 10:25 am : link
just like the coaches do. You also have to look at WHY we are not executing and is it due to a talent deficiency, technique, communication, etc.

Let's talk about the defense for example. I do not see too many plays where we are beaten one on one vs prior years. I do not see as many communication problems where someone is running free in open space with two of our guys looking at each other. I do not see as many days where we walk away saying we did not tackle well as a whole. We are doing a better job stopping the run. I see backups stepping in and they are doing the job well enough without being a liability that the opposition is looking to expose.

Now, even if these improvements above have not resulted in wins yet, we are getting there. We are also not getting blown out like we have in prior seasons.
RE: I have the utmost respect...  
NINEster : 11/20/2020 1:59 pm : link
In comment 15051836 bw in dc said:
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for Wilson but Seattle really bothers me. They always seem to get away with a lot more stuff and seem to carry around a very big rabbit's foot...


That is correct.
RE: Metcalf  
NINEster : 11/20/2020 2:07 pm : link
In comment 15051843 JoeyBigBlue said:
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Is a faster version of TO. Not as good a route runner yet, but both guys are about the same size and both have decent but not great hands.


The physical size/speed and low body fat percentages are about the only valid comparison right now between the two.

Let's see Metcalf produce at all pro level for several seasons, and potentially multiple teams before making the comparison.

TO was closer to Moss than DK Metcalf, and probably was a better all around WR than Moss. People just hung up on Moss' GOAT level deep threat ability.

TO nearly singlehandedly won a SB for the Eagles, coming off the broken leg. I think in the annals of WRs, he's a bit underrated still.

AJ Brown  
Go Terps : 11/20/2020 2:23 pm : link
Brown reminds me more of Owens than Metcalf does. Brown catching the ball on a crossing route is scary.

Metcalf sort of reminds me of Plax. It's like throwing to a giraffe.
Russell and Kyler  
PaulBlakeTSU : 11/20/2020 2:38 pm : link
are both very enjoyable to watch. They both seem to scramble so intelligently. And perhaps it's their baseball backgrounds, but their compact rotational strength gives them such abilities to throw on the run, across their bodies, and from bizarre angles.

I look forward to several more match-ups between these two.
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