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Lombardi: Judge wanted DeGuglielmo from the beginning

Sean : 11/19/2020 9:40 pm
I know Lombardi is polarizing here, but I absolutely loved listening to the beginning of today’s GM Shuffle podcast. I can’t imagine anyone here not being excited about Judge, just listen to the beginning of this podcast. Lombardi has plenty of Patriot connections.

-Judge wanted DeGuglielmo, he wanted as many NE coaches as possible
-Once Garrett was hired, Garrett banged the drum for Colombo and the Judge complied
-What Colombo was doing was not at all what NE teaches with regards to the OL. Couldn’t be any different.
-Judge is not afraid of confrontation, when he sees a problem he’s going to face it head on and look to fix it.
-Colombo wasn’t having it, and he’s out. Judge wanted DeGuglielmo anyway.

This will beg the question about Garrett and who pushed for him as OC. There is a Saban connection, but it’s clear Colombo was not a fit with Judge is building here.

I just love the leadership here from Judge, not many coaches would have approached this issue head on actually looking for a solution. It aligns exactly with his intro presser.

Podcast linked below, it’s the first topic discussed.
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RE: RE: RE: Maybe he's a hack and a hot take artist  
Go Terps : 11/20/2020 1:41 pm : link
In comment 15052236 Semipro Lineman said:
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Go Terps

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It doesn't change the fact that he's been right about what the Giants are for years now. Every criticism has borne out to be accurate...

I don't care if Lombardi is an actual clown with a red nose and a wig - he's been right about this team for years.



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Just because Lombardi agrees with your takes (which also happen to be the takes of a lot of BBIers) doesn't mean he has some special insight or access behind the scenes with the Giants, which was what the original point was.




I have to agree with DieHard about this. To be polite, this is the same nonsense that BigBlueCane used to pull before his implosion regarding how brilliant any media person who had a similar viewpoint to his was and that we were crybabies for pointing out the obvious attempts to pass off speculation as actual inside information or just blatant shit-stirring.


I'm not saying Lombardi has any special or unusual insight regarding the Giants...I'm just saying that he's been right in his criticisms of them these past few years. But because he's been critical, he's called a hack. You see the same BS thrown at beat writers, podcasters, TV talking heads...anyone who's been critical as if the Giants haven't been the worst team in the NFL for the past 3 years.

12-30. It has taken nearly 3 full seasons for the Giants to win the amount of games that would equal 1 good season.

Criticism of this organization is not subjective negativity; it is objective observation.

Now I'm as optimistic about what we're seeing as anyone else, but my optimism stems from my feeling that the blind squirrel has found a nut in Joe Judge. I think he's fantastic...but that's not going to make me forget the incompetence of the people in the front office. This is still a talent-poor roster that Judge is turning into chicken salad.
I'd disagree this is a talent poor roster.  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/20/2020 1:54 pm : link
We are very deep along the DL as well as secondary, although we have a glaring hole at 2nd corner. The offensive line seems to be fairly deep now as well, just light in top talent. That's actually a recurring theme, the roster as a whole is just missing some key top pieces. DG is filling out the roster so we don't have massive needs come draft time. One exception is edge, but those guys don't hit FA and thankfully he hasn't forced the pick. Unfortunately, another poor year up top, but doubt we walk away from next years draft without an edge/wr/2nd corner in the first two rounds depending on value. I actually expect us to be aggressive with our second round pick depending on how things shake.

We are missing our best player. Saquon has to be licking his chops based on what he is seeing and he's such an unreal human I wouldn't be surprise to see the 2000 yard back next year we drafted him to be. The future of this team is bright with 1 more good draft class. Who knows what FA will bring with the cap and what not, but DG arguable had the best FA class in the NFL last year for dollar to dollar spend. Makes up for his abysmal 2018 and now that's in the rearview.
Go Terps - even if you think his criticisms valid (which is fair)  
Eric on Li : 11/20/2020 2:00 pm : link
do you not see where he comes off as a hack with the inaccurate things he's reported about the team?

The headline of this exact thread ("Judge wanted DeGuglielmo from the beginning") being case in point where he is portraying a fact that apparently only he has, while every other time he's done so in recent years re NYG he's been wrong?
RE: RE: If Judge felt compelled to make a change...  
bw in dc : 11/20/2020 2:32 pm : link
In comment 15052257 Zeke's Alibi said:
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DD is a well regarded offensive line coach. He's a bit rough around the edges and probably why you see him bouncing around the league. These coaches spend so much time together that is definitely part of the equation. I know you love to harp on him getting tossed for Dante, but Josh McDaniels thought well of him and was the first guy he had a chance to hire that ended up staying with the Colts. Reich (the real mastermind behind the Eagles success) wanted to bring in his own guy, but vouched for DD with recommendations. Based on what we know about his personality probaly a blessing in disguise Colombo blew up, because with those two it was only a matter of time before shit lit off.


At the end of the day, I'm basically agnostic on DD to replace Colombo. But it is a mixed bag. Some favorable - as you mentioned - and some unfavorable. I'm just trying to ask reasonable questions about his abilities. I think there is a healthy dose of skepticism to consider here.

BTW, trust me, you didn't have to add the parenthetical comments after Reich's name. It's implied... ;)
RE: RE: If Judge felt compelled to make a change...  
bw in dc : 11/20/2020 2:35 pm : link
In comment 15052258 Eric on Li said:
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All of these questions will be answered by how the OL performs on the field the rest of the year and given the reporting that the recent improvement was linked to Judge getting more involved makes me trust that the moves he's making are steps in the right direction.


I wonder how much Judeg's involvement was technique and/or moving around pieces to get better combinations.

No one knows how  
section125 : 11/20/2020 2:43 pm : link
well DeGuglielmo will do with this line. But apparently Judge was not happy with what Colombo was doing. So given that both coaches were in the original interview process, it stands to reason that both were well thought of. I have no doubt that because of his work with Garrett in Dallas, Colombo was chosen because of Garrett.
I will say one thing about Judge's choices for coaches, they seem to be pretty damn good. If he misses on one, or the personalities don't mix then it is time to change. I doubt we ever really find the reason. Perhaps it is over Thomas' development or lack there of. Whatever it is, the change was made and Judge is comfortable with the change. I also think that if this does not work out, there will be another change in January.
Implosion?  
BigBlueCane : 11/20/2020 3:23 pm : link
LOL

Carrying around and applying past history  
Bill2 : 11/20/2020 5:18 pm : link
To current and future analysis is recency bias and always will be.

Declaring it an objective fact based analysis of today and tomorrow fools no one no matter how often and loudly its repeated.

All opinion on the same level as anyone else's.

Opinions are great. Lets not fool ourselves it reaches more than that.

Huge parts of the past and current fact base behind decisions we will never know.

What Do You Think of This?  
Samiam : 11/20/2020 7:47 pm : link
I wonder if firing Colombo in mid season speaks to Judge’s belief that the team is a serious contender for the division and the playoffs. If they were in a rebuilding modem especially given the OL improvement over the past few weeks, it would have made sense to leave Colombo to finish the year and then replace him. That is unless Judge was afraid someone else would have signed DeG which to me seems unlikely. Now, it’s possible that Colombo was publicly insubordinate. But, if Judge had issues with his performance, and you think the6 have a real chance to make the playoffs, then bring in the best guy you can find and get rid of the problem assistant.
RE: What Do You Think of This?  
Mad Mike : 11/20/2020 8:25 pm : link
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I wonder if firing Colombo in mid season speaks to Judge’s belief that the team is a serious contender for the division and the playoffs. If they were in a rebuilding modem especially given the OL improvement over the past few weeks, it would have made sense to leave Colombo to finish the year and then replace him. That is unless Judge was afraid someone else would have signed DeG which to me seems unlikely. Now, it’s possible that Colombo was publicly insubordinate. But, if Judge had issues with his performance, and you think the6 have a real chance to make the playoffs, then bring in the best guy you can find and get rid of the problem assistant.

I think you're really overthinking it. We have a number of young OL, some of whom in which the team invested premium draft picks. Poor coaching can really impede their development and set the team back. If you have issues with the guy coaching them to the point where Judge is stepping in to directly overrule Columbo's coaching, you make a change regardless of whether or not you expect to make a real run.
Mike Lombardi.  
BelieveJJ : 11/20/2020 11:38 pm : link
LOL.

On BBI he's often confused with Matt Lombardo.

The easy way to recall the difference between them is the "i" at the end of Lombardi.

As in I,I,I,I,I,I,...

What a tool this guy is and as Eric noted above, not at ALL connnected into the Giants.
RE: CHP - how goes it?  
ColHowPepper : 11/21/2020 11:34 am : link
In comment 15051982 UConn4523 said:
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how's Stamford these days?

DJ's bad stretch was pretty bad but I think we are seeing 2 things. 1. the Line is now playing better which makes his life easier and 2. he's taking sacks that he'd normally fumble or try to throw downfield, resulting in a TO.

He's got all the physical tools and I really like his ability to "forget the bad play". I never subscribed to the idea that he should be benched, made no sense then or now. He needed all of 2020, and the coaches need as much info on him as possible heading into this offseason.

The arrow is pointing up and while I don't expect him to be flawless he's got to string together a bunch of games like last week for me to feel good about him heading into the 2021 season. Lots of mediocre or bad defenses left on the schedule, so the opportunity is there.
UConn, I can get behind all of that!! He's had his ugly moments, for sure, cringe worthy, but sheesh some folks put them in a vacuum as if he's a Soprano performing solo and effing things up all on his own.

The other aspect of his progression that I don't think is discussed enough (at all?) is that different individuals progress/learn/absorb and begin to synthesize at different rates: it's legion across the NFL at all positions (Webster, being a notable one) that it comes together more, or less, quickly. Was Eli so fast out of the gate, with a better team around him?

Stamford: Are you still in the area? I haven't been there much--not so many trips into Manhattan (ha!), Fairway is gone (miss that place), movies are out, Tigin's Irish Pub is a no-can-do, haven't been to any restaurants anywhere to eat inside save one (Bacio's in Cross River). WTF? ):

How about you? How is the wife, kid (more than one now)? From what it sounds like you're still have your gig, that's a big thumbs up. All best to you
Same for me on Stamford  
UConn4523 : 11/21/2020 12:16 pm : link
I’m up in Milford now but will be going to my parents house in Stamford for thanksgiving.

Family is going good, how about you? My only kid (no more on the way, haha) is 5, kindergarten going well all things considered but it’s likely going to be fully from home soon. Job/s are good, actually starting a new gig on 11/30 - fully remote and a better technology (staying in construction). Fingers cross in making the right move.
RE: Same for me on Stamford  
ColHowPepper : 11/21/2020 12:42 pm : link
In comment 15052994 UConn4523 said:
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I’m up in Milford now but will be going to my parents house in Stamford for thanksgiving.

Family is going good, how about you? My only kid (no more on the way, haha) is 5, kindergarten going well all things considered but it’s likely going to be fully from home soon. Job/s are good, actually starting a new gig on 11/30 - fully remote and a better technology (staying in construction). Fingers cross in making the right move.
Up by New Haven, closer to CT 34 than I95 (maybe a wrong question)?

You've done your diligence, trust your gut. Are management folks you can respect and trust to do right? The most imp question. BOL however you play, but sounds like a done deal.
Sooner or later this pandemic will be behind us. Lord willing. It's good that your kid is having this year at such a young age, much better than at adolescence or near adolescence, in my view.

We've been same for years: my wife has been teaching yoga, but much has become remote or, as long as temps hold, outdoors. Her second studio has a potential exposure, so she is 'quarantining', but as between her and me it's kind of lame because we were living normally in the five days post-exposure and the day she found out there might be an issue. She was tested yesterday, fingers crossed. I've been doing my officiating thing: considering I was reluctant to do anything in this environment--and officials in our NYS Section 1 are mandated to wear masks--I had a shorter-than-normal but ok season: not at my best, physically/mentally. Last spring's lax season was canceled outright, I'll see what comes down the pike. Daughter (one child also) last year law school in White Plains, env. program, she's doing well, and thank Lord she has what seems to be a stable relationship. All things considered, we're grateful.
That’s good to hear  
UConn4523 : 11/21/2020 2:26 pm : link
glad you guys are doing well. Hoping you guys get through all the COVID crap ok (health and business wise).

We are right up the line off 95 now, actually live down by the beach. Staying close to the water and 95 was a big thing for us. Sadly they just shut down kids athletics until mid-late January. Was trying to get my kid into indoor climbing over the winter and then back to soccer in the spring - I think Soccer will happen but not sure about anything indoors.

I feel good about the job. Much stronger leadership at the new company along with better pay And fully remote. It was somewhat of a no brainer but still hard to leave the hard work I put into the current start up company. All good though, need to take risks every once in a while.
Wishing you the best  
ColHowPepper : 11/21/2020 3:11 pm : link
on all fronts. Thanks for your notes.

I guess you're somewhere near the Long Wharf Theater area? Never been there myself, but friends say there's some good quality that is produced there. All virtual has got to be a dream, I foresee no drop off in your posting frequency! LOL

Didn't know your littl'un is into footy. During my conditioning this summer before HS finally started (6 week delay), there was this little piker, he must have been about the age of yours, couldn't have been >7, but he was working with a youngish (early 30s?), dedicated trainer, hours at a time, intense foot work L and R, various touches inside and outside, but not at all overbearing. Really good demeanor on the trainer, and I could see the strides the kid was making, square contact, returning 'serve' on the ground and in the air. Good stuff!
Pat Hanlon on Twitter about 20 minutes ago.....  
Britt in VA : 11/21/2020 3:59 pm : link
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I know I’m a little late to the party on this one, but I keep seeing @mlombardiNFL pop up with people attributing some kind of insightful commentary on us. Just to be clear, @mlombardiNFL has no idea what goes on in our building. —30–
RE: Pat Hanlon on Twitter about 20 minutes ago.....  
bw in dc : 11/21/2020 4:19 pm : link
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I know I’m a little late to the party on this one, but I keep seeing @mlombardiNFL pop up with people attributing some kind of insightful commentary on us. Just to be clear, @mlombardiNFL has no idea what goes on in our building. —30–



I'm certain Hanlon is being neutral.
I’m certain you are as well in your posting....  
Britt in VA : 11/21/2020 4:36 pm : link
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RE: What Do You Think of This?  
ron mexico : 11/21/2020 4:41 pm : link
In comment 15052641 Samiam said:
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I wonder if firing Colombo in mid season speaks to Judge’s belief that the team is a serious contender for the division and the playoffs. If they were in a rebuilding modem especially given the OL improvement over the past few weeks, it would have made sense to leave Colombo to finish the year and then replace him. That is unless Judge was afraid someone else would have signed DeG which to me seems unlikely. Now, it’s possible that Colombo was publicly insubordinate. But, if Judge had issues with his performance, and you think the6 have a real chance to make the playoffs, then bring in the best guy you can find and get rid of the problem assistant.


I’m pretty sure his firing is due nearly entirely to calling his boss a cunt
RE: RE: Pat Hanlon on Twitter about 20 minutes ago.....  
section125 : 11/21/2020 4:41 pm : link
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I know I’m a little late to the party on this one, but I keep seeing @mlombardiNFL pop up with people attributing some kind of insightful commentary on us. Just to be clear, @mlombardiNFL has no idea what goes on in our building. —30–





I'm certain Hanlon is being neutral.


Does Lombardi know what happened or did he speculate? Not sure he's neutral either.
The idea that Judge sat back and looked at the NFCE standings  
LBH15 : 11/21/2020 4:44 pm : link
before deciding what to do with Colombo is comical.

RE: RE: Pat Hanlon on Twitter about 20 minutes ago.....  
LBH15 : 11/21/2020 4:49 pm : link
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I know I’m a little late to the party on this one, but I keep seeing @mlombardiNFL pop up with people attributing some kind of insightful commentary on us. Just to be clear, @mlombardiNFL has no idea what goes on in our building. —30–





I'm certain Hanlon is being neutral.


I don’t think a lot of people in the building know what goes on in the building.
RE: Pat Hanlon on Twitter about 20 minutes ago.....  
PatersonPlank : 11/21/2020 4:57 pm : link
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I think this is a riot. Hanlon smacking down idiot Lombardi
RE: RE: RE: Pat Hanlon on Twitter about 20 minutes ago.....  
bw in dc : 11/21/2020 5:07 pm : link
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I'm certain Hanlon is being neutral.



Does Lombardi know what happened or did he speculate? Not sure he's neutral either.


I think he toggles between speculation and info he gets from sources. IMV, he is usually spot on with how the front office operates and the Mara history.

He obviously touches a nerve around here because his opinions are so aggressive. And he's not willing to say Jints Central is Xanadu.
RE: RE: Pat Hanlon on Twitter about 20 minutes ago.....  
BigBlueShock : 11/21/2020 5:13 pm : link
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I'm certain Hanlon is being neutral.

Why would Hanlon need to be “neutral” to say what he said? He works for the Giants you nitwit. If some clown spreads inaccurate bullshit that they have no clue about they should be called out.

Duh...  
bw in dc : 11/21/2020 5:19 pm : link
That's the point.

Hanlon is going to tow the company line, especially when the team is getting criticized. So his response is expected.

So posting it as some 'Aha, take that Lombardi!' is silly.
RE: Duh...  
BigBlueShock : 11/21/2020 5:40 pm : link
In comment 15053221 bw in dc said:
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That's the point.

Hanlon is going to tow the company line, especially when the team is getting criticized. So his response is expected.

So posting it as some 'Aha, take that Lombardi!' is silly.

Ok, so if someone that is actually inside the building and KNOWS what happened isn’t allowed to set the record straight, who is? Nobody? We just believe anything Lombardi says because random message board poster bw in dc thinks he’s awesome because he constantly criticizes “Jints Central”? Absolutely absurd.

Lombardi was actually pro Judge here..  
Sean : 11/21/2020 5:53 pm : link
The guy to go after would be Mike Silver based on his comments yesterday.
BBS  
UConn4523 : 11/21/2020 6:22 pm : link
yup, don’t get it.
Colombo was hired mid season in 2018 by Dallas  
Sean : 11/21/2020 6:38 pm : link
Just to add how overblown this story is. Jason Garrett fired OL coach Paul Alexander midseason in 2018 and replaced him with Colombo.

It really isn’t that big of a deal. If anyone should understand, it’s Colombo.
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bw in dc : 11/21/2020 7:59 pm : link
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That's the point.

Hanlon is going to tow the company line, especially when the team is getting criticized. So his response is expected.

So posting it as some 'Aha, take that Lombardi!' is silly.


Ok, so if someone that is actually inside the building and KNOWS what happened isn’t allowed to set the record straight, who is? Nobody? We just believe anything Lombardi says because random message board poster bw in dc thinks he’s awesome because he constantly criticizes “Jints Central”? Absolutely absurd.


I don't care if Hanlon is in the building. He's a PR/Spin guy. He's never going to say anything that makes the organization look bad. Or substantiate something that does.

And he shouldn't because that's his job. So to think he's going to confirm anything a lightening rod person like Lombardi says is pretty laughable.

But if you want to think Hanlon is speaking some unvarnished, neutral truth than you are more naive than I thought...
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chopperhatch : 11/21/2020 8:23 pm : link
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That's the point.

Hanlon is going to tow the company line, especially when the team is getting criticized. So his response is expected.

So posting it as some 'Aha, take that Lombardi!' is silly.


Ok, so if someone that is actually inside the building and KNOWS what happened isn’t allowed to set the record straight, who is? Nobody? We just believe anything Lombardi says because random message board poster bw in dc thinks he’s awesome because he constantly criticizes “Jints Central”? Absolutely absurd.




I don't care if Hanlon is in the building. He's a PR/Spin guy. He's never going to say anything that makes the organization look bad. Or substantiate something that does.

And he shouldn't because that's his job. So to think he's going to confirm anything a lightening rod person like Lombardi says is pretty laughable.

But if you want to think Hanlon is speaking some unvarnished, neutral truth than you are more naive than I thought...


I dont think anybody is saying Hanlon isnt going to be guarded when talking about the incident. But I also dont think he wpuld flat out lie about it if Judge acted unfairly because players and other staff hear that, and talk off the record. Conversely, you are touting the story of a reporter who has been exhorbitantly reporting negative things about everything the team does, while refusing to report anything positive they do when several other media have all said something different about what happened.

Don't ever change bw.
The fact one side is taking the self serving Lombardi  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/21/2020 8:46 pm : link
seriously, while lambasting Pat for being PR machine and the other side is taking the team fluky at his word is so parallel to politics this thread should be banned.
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bw in dc : 11/21/2020 9:03 pm : link
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I dont think anybody is saying Hanlon isnt going to be guarded when talking about the incident. But I also dont think he wpuld flat out lie about it if Judge acted unfairly because players and other staff hear that, and talk off the record. Conversely, you are touting the story of a reporter who has been exhorbitantly reporting negative things about everything the team does, while refusing to report anything positive they do when several other media have all said something different about what happened.

Don't ever change bw.


I think we need to set something straight here.

I'm more than fine with Judge dismissing Colombo and replacing him with DD. Colombo got what he deserved on so many levels - verbally abusing Judge, ignoring direct orders, public confrontation (practice), etc.

Did you read what Sean wrote in his opening of this thread? Where he cites what Lombardi contends? Are ANY of those unreasonable conclusions?

I mean, it's not like Lombardi said Judge hired Colombo to keep him away from Dallas in some diabolical scheme to hurt a division rival...
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chopperhatch : 11/21/2020 9:43 pm : link
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I dont think anybody is saying Hanlon isnt going to be guarded when talking about the incident. But I also dont think he wpuld flat out lie about it if Judge acted unfairly because players and other staff hear that, and talk off the record. Conversely, you are touting the story of a reporter who has been exhorbitantly reporting negative things about everything the team does, while refusing to report anything positive they do when several other media have all said something different about what happened.

Don't ever change bw.



I think we need to set something straight here.

I'm more than fine with Judge dismissing Colombo and replacing him with DD. Colombo got what he deserved on so many levels - verbally abusing Judge, ignoring direct orders, public confrontation (practice), etc.

Did you read what Sean wrote in his opening of this thread? Where he cites what Lombardi contends? Are ANY of those unreasonable conclusions?

I mean, it's not like Lombardi said Judge hired Colombo to keep him away from Dallas in some diabolical scheme to hurt a division rival...


I did read it. It says to me that Judge listened to Garrett' and took on Columbo to fascilitate a cohesive transition to JG's offense. It was apparent that it wasnt working very well and Judge made changes. Seeing as how it is his job to manage the team, its on him to adjust, but it is unacceptable for a subordinate to engage a head coach (whether loud or not) where others witness it. Just a fact in every facet of life. I remember it being put up with and seeing success ONCE and that was Ditka/Ryan with the '85 Bears
RE: The fact one side is taking the self serving Lombardi  
ron mexico : 11/22/2020 7:04 am : link
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seriously, while lambasting Pat for being PR machine and the other side is taking the team fluky at his word is so parallel to politics this thread should be banned.


Did pat give an alternative set of events? Or even say Lombardi is wrong?

People aren’t even discussing facts anymore. It’s a personality/affiliation debate.
RE: RE: The fact one side is taking the self serving Lombardi  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/22/2020 7:51 am : link
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seriously, while lambasting Pat for being PR machine and the other side is taking the team fluky at his word is so parallel to politics this thread should be banned.



Did pat give an alternative set of events? Or even say Lombardi is wrong?

People aren’t even discussing facts anymore. It’s a personality/affiliation debate.


What facts? Is there concrete evidence of events here? No. What we have is one guy that has an ax to grind with organization because of some shit that went down in the past, and the other that is the mouthpiece of the organization. In what world do you not infer that pat isn't saying Lombardi is full of shit with that statement. I'm sorry but you absolutely do need to consider the source when there arent concrete facts.
Seriously.  
Britt in VA : 11/22/2020 8:14 am : link
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It’s not like Pat goes out of his way everyday to single out....  
Britt in VA : 11/22/2020 8:17 am : link
journalists that are full of shit by calling them out directly.
And it's not everyday that the Giants fire a coach.  
LBH15 : 11/22/2020 8:48 am : link
Just feels that way.
Here’s the Lombardi response  
Sean : 11/22/2020 9:08 am : link
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A team that is 15-44 since 2017 is mad about my comments, seriously? I love that their listening and thank you.

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Here is what Sean wrote...  
bw in dc : 11/22/2020 9:09 am : link
in his opening that Lombardi said:

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-Judge wanted DeGuglielmo, he wanted as many NE coaches as possible
-Once Garrett was hired, Garrett banged the drum for Colombo and the Judge complied
-What Colombo was doing was not at all what NE teaches with regards to the OL. Couldn’t be any different.
-Judge is not afraid of confrontation, when he sees a problem he’s going to face it head on and look to fix it.
-Colombo wasn’t having it, and he’s out. Judge wanted DeGuglielmo anyway.


What in that list doesn’t seem plausible?

Judge did want DD but he finished runner-up in the initial hire.
Many of us believe Garrett did push for Colombo due to his connection in Dallas.
By reports outside of Lombardi Colombo was absolutely teaching technique that didn’t jive with Judge’s view. See the Gates story.
Based on what we know about Judge, is anyone seriously surprised that Lombardi said Judge isn’t afraid of confrontation??
And then that Colombo was basically not going to respect the coaching rank and fight back if he thought he was right...

Gee, what outrageous comments by Lombardi.
RE: Here’s the Lombardi response  
BigBlueShock : 11/22/2020 9:17 am : link
In comment 15053510 Sean said:
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A team that is 15-44 since 2017 is mad about my comments, seriously? I love that their listening and thank you.

Link - ( New Window )

This is exactly why Lombardi is a hack and cannot be taken seriously. Wtf does the Giants recent record have to do with this current situation? Absolutely nothing. Yet, he will never miss an opportunity to bring it up.

Oh, and it’s “they’re”, not “their”, Lombardi.
bw..  
Sean : 11/22/2020 9:22 am : link
That’s what I find strange. Lombardi was actually pro Judge in the recent podcast. He put all the blame on Colombo. He’s been very critical of the Giants obviously, it’s just strange this is what generated the reaction.
People aren’t reacting to what Lombardi said in this case only,  
Britt in VA : 11/22/2020 9:29 am : link
they are reacting to his whole body of work, and who they do and don’t take seriously.
RE: bw..  
BigBlueShock : 11/22/2020 9:35 am : link
In comment 15053524 Sean said:
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That’s what I find strange. Lombardi was actually pro Judge in the recent podcast. He put all the blame on Colombo. He’s been very critical of the Giants obviously, it’s just strange this is what generated the reaction.

What am I missing? I don’t see very many posters criticizing this particular podcast at all on this thread. It’s been more about Lombardi in general.
Anyone listening to the FAN this morning?  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/22/2020 9:44 am : link
Diehl had some unique insight and is a big fan of Guges. Based on what he said though Colombo did us a Giant favor, this was never going to work out and potentially could have gotten ugly down the line. Glad this all sorted itself out over the bye week. Maybe Judge planned all this to happen, the mad genius strikes again!
RE: Anyone listening to the FAN this morning?  
LBH15 : 11/22/2020 9:51 am : link
In comment 15053542 Zeke's Alibi said:
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Diehl had some unique insight and is a big fan of Guges. Based on what he said though Colombo did us a Giant favor, this was never going to work out and potentially could have gotten ugly down the line. Glad this all sorted itself out over the bye week. Maybe Judge planned all this to happen, the mad genius strikes again!


whats the unique insight?
RE: Here is what Sean wrote...  
Eric on Li : 11/22/2020 10:36 am : link
In comment 15053511 bw in dc said:
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in his opening that Lombardi said:



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-Judge wanted DeGuglielmo, he wanted as many NE coaches as possible
-Once Garrett was hired, Garrett banged the drum for Colombo and the Judge complied
-What Colombo was doing was not at all what NE teaches with regards to the OL. Couldn’t be any different.
-Judge is not afraid of confrontation, when he sees a problem he’s going to face it head on and look to fix it.
-Colombo wasn’t having it, and he’s out. Judge wanted DeGuglielmo anyway.



What in that list doesn’t seem plausible?


That Lombardi has any sort of credible inside info. The rest of his "inside info" w/r/t the NYG the last few years was plausible too, until it was confirmed fiction.
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