I know Lombardi is polarizing here, but I absolutely loved listening to the beginning of today’s GM Shuffle podcast. I can’t imagine anyone here not being excited about Judge, just listen to the beginning of this podcast. Lombardi has plenty of Patriot connections.
-Judge wanted DeGuglielmo, he wanted as many NE coaches as possible
-Once Garrett was hired, Garrett banged the drum for Colombo and the Judge complied
-What Colombo was doing was not at all what NE teaches with regards to the OL. Couldn’t be any different.
-Judge is not afraid of confrontation, when he sees a problem he’s going to face it head on and look to fix it.
-Colombo wasn’t having it, and he’s out. Judge wanted DeGuglielmo anyway.
This will beg the question about Garrett and who pushed for him as OC. There is a Saban connection, but it’s clear Colombo was not a fit with Judge is building here.
I just love the leadership here from Judge, not many coaches would have approached this issue head on actually looking for a solution. It aligns exactly with his intro presser.
Podcast linked below, it’s the first topic discussed.
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I have NO idea what DeGuglielmo taught/teaches. Because whatever he was teaching wasn't what Belichick wanted because he pulled Scarnecchia - sayonara DD - out of retirement to re-build their OL in 2016. And then the Pats went to 3 SBs and won 2.
Judge gave Garrett hiring power and signed off. Any talk of what Judge actually wanted sounds like sour grapes...
If the account by one poster is true (other thread) that Judge never told Colomobo and Colombo found out through other sources, that is a bad look. And hopefully something Judge learns from going forward...
I am a big fan of Lombardi, btw. So I usually but what he's selling...
I have NO idea what DeGuglielmo taught/teaches. Because whatever he was teaching wasn't what Belichick wanted because he pulled Scarnecchia - sayonara DD - out of retirement to re-build their OL in 2016. And then the Pats went to 3 SBs and won 2.
Judge gave Garrett hiring power and signed off. Any talk of what Judge actually wanted sounds like sour grapes...
If the account by one poster is true (other thread) that Judge never told Colomobo and Colombo found out through other sources, that is a bad look. And hopefully something Judge learns from going forward...
I am a big fan of Lombardi, btw. So I usually but what he's selling...
You keep harping on this. It has been already mentioned that the O-line was dealing with injuries under DeGuglielmo. Also, if he's not as good as arguably the best O-line coach of all time are we supposed to lose sleep over this?
I have NO idea what DeGuglielmo taught/teaches. Because whatever he was teaching wasn't what Belichick wanted because he pulled Scarnecchia - sayonara DD - out of retirement to re-build their OL in 2016. And then the Pats went to 3 SBs and won 2.
Judge gave Garrett hiring power and signed off. Any talk of what Judge actually wanted sounds like sour grapes...
If the account by one poster is true (other thread) that Judge never told Colomobo and Colombo found out through other sources, that is a bad look. And hopefully something Judge learns from going forward...
I am a big fan of Lombardi, btw. So I usually but what he's selling...
So what? The bottom line is he’s familiar with the program and McDaniels & Flores bought him in after Belichick moved on from him. He’s a much better teacher for what Judge is looking to build based on his familiarity with the program.
Could Judge have handled it better? Sure. But Colombo seems wildly immature, he’s already liking tweets of a punchout video where he knocks out Judge. Guy was a hardheaded hot head it seems.
So what? The bottom line is he’s familiar with the program and McDaniels & Flores bought him in after Belichick moved on from him. He’s a much better teacher for what Judge is looking to build based on his familiarity with the program.
Could Judge have handled it better? Sure. But Colombo seems wildly immature, he’s already liking tweets of a punchout video where he knocks out Judge. Guy was a hardheaded hot head it seems.
I am actually ambivalent on the DD move. I'm just ready to canonize him as some OL guru...
I'm not defending Colombo's actions at all. Just underscoring that - if true re: communication - Judge hopefully learns from the communication blunder.
You keep harping on this. It has been already mentioned that the O-line was dealing with injuries under DeGuglielmo. Also, if he's not as good as arguably the best O-line coach of all time are we supposed to lose sleep over this?
I get it.
But Belichick still lost confidence in him for some reason.
I think Lombardi has a terrific command of how the Giants function as an organization.
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You keep harping on this. It has been already mentioned that the O-line was dealing with injuries under DeGuglielmo. Also, if he's not as good as arguably the best O-line coach of all time are we supposed to lose sleep over this?
I get it.
But Belichick still lost confidence in him for some reason.
It's not like he got replaced by a bum...
Huh?
You mean Lombardi belongs to the Go Terps burn it down school -- the guy doesn't have a clue about what's going on with the Giants and nor does he appreciate being on the Giants beat -- He's a Philly guy through and thru -- it's very telling to me that you think he's got a great handle on the Giants. WTF????
He's been critical of Mara, the antiquated organization, sticking with Eli, drafting Barkley... And he's been right on all of it.
He's been critical of Mara, the antiquated organization, sticking with Eli, drafting Barkley... And he's been right on all of it.
He's a self aggrandizing hot take artist. He's as entitled to an opinion as anyone but his track record on "insider news" has been worse than most of the asshats on this site. He lacks the actual inside access of the better journalists as well as the acumen of former league executives who actually accomplished things before turning analysts, yet acts like he's both rolled into one. Nobody has milked 1 failed year with a GM title more than him.
+1... I don’t think Lombardi knows anything, but he would love to start a narrative about tension between Judge and Garrett.
I don't care if Lombardi is an actual clown with a red nose and a wig - he's been right about this team for years.
Sometimes I feel like there's this parallel universe where the Giants have been something other than a steaming pile of shit for these last 8 years.
I don't care if Lombardi is an actual clown with a red nose and a wig - he's been right about this team for years.
Sometimes I feel like there's this parallel universe where the Giants have been something other than a steaming pile of shit for these last 8 years.
Just because Lombardi agrees with your takes (which also happen to be the takes of a lot of BBIers) doesn't mean he has some special insight or access behind the scenes with the Giants, which was what the original point was.
As for "no repercussions" for opposition to your "generally accepted truths" about the Giants? It's a fan forum, people can think and say what they want. Get over it.
I don't care if Lombardi is an actual clown with a red nose and a wig - he's been right about this team for years.
Sometimes I feel like there's this parallel universe where the Giants have been something other than a steaming pile of shit for these last 8 years.
I agree. A lot of you need to take off the blue colored glasses and face facts about Mara Tech.
Nailing down why they suck is more subjective.
Nailing down the route to get better is even more subjective.
But again, it’s super easy to be right when the results, something everybody can obviously see, are always there to back up your opinion.
It’s easy to be negative and shit on everybody.
I have NO idea what DeGuglielmo taught/teaches. Because whatever he was teaching wasn't what Belichick wanted because he pulled Scarnecchia - sayonara DD - out of retirement to re-build their OL in 2016. And then the Pats went to 3 SBs and won 2.
Judge gave Garrett hiring power and signed off. Any talk of what Judge actually wanted sounds like sour grapes...
If the account by one poster is true (other thread) that Judge never told Colomobo and Colombo found out through other sources, that is a bad look. And hopefully something Judge learns from going forward...
I am a big fan of Lombardi, btw. So I usually but what he's selling...
You're a big fan of Lombardi what a surprise...
Yes BB didn't like what DD was teaching. So he replaced a 7 with a 9.
Last I looked, Judge doesn't have access to a 9. So he's going with the next best option.
I don't care if Lombardi is an actual clown with a red nose and a wig - he's been right about this team for years.
Sometimes I feel like there's this parallel universe where the Giants have been something other than a steaming pile of shit for these last 8 years.
He's been right about the Giants for years? He criticized the shit out of the Judge hire.
Nailing down why they suck is more subjective.
Nailing down the route to get better is even more subjective.
But again, it’s super easy to be right when the results, something everybody can obviously see, are always there to back up your opinion.
It’s easy to be negative and shit on everybody.
It's even easier to say ridiculous shit, be completely wrong, and then act like it never happened.
Some people come here to commiserate with other fans about how great the Giants are even when they are terrible. That's fine. Just don't expect to be taken seriously by anyone that's actually trying to understand what is actually happening, and why it's actually happening.
I was wrong about what I wanted to happen. We did not fix the roster enough to support Manning in his final years. I believe he could still play and I stand by that. At the very least he could be doing what Rivers is doing in Indy without a doubt.
However, I was absolutely right every step of the way about what 5he Giants were actually going to do. It’s documented on this site.
So while you and the rest were actually throwing around the fantasy land scenarios for two years, I was actually making the real world predictions you love to bloviate about.
You’ve gotten two things right by my count. The Giants needed to trade Beckham before that was a popular opinion (which I agreed with) and Lamar Jackson was a good prospect. You’ve let all of the praise from the lowest common denominator posters on this site go to you’re head, and become a parody of yourself.
Slow down. The Giants are turning around. Jones is showing promise. All this chest beating you’re doing about right and wrong, well....
This could easily be you next year.
That was the problem with the Giants. For the longest time when asked who makes the picks in the draft Mara would always say it is a collaborative effort. That is why there was such hostility over whether to fire Coughlin or Reese. People kill Gettleman all the time for the players he brings in but it is clear as day Shurmur and Judge had a huge influence on the players brought in.
Lombardi doesn't know shit. He said the Pats use their grading system which came from George Young but it has been altered. Then he says the Giants haven't adapted yet admits he doesn't have that knowledge within the organization.
It is pretty simple, the Giants have sucked so he just criticizes everything about them without truly knowing what is happening inside the building. They're an easy target. He also said that McDaniels wasn't an option for us because we wouldn't adapt to what the Pats would do yet that is exactly what has happened so far with Judge. Hell, Gettleman came in and revamped everything. Why wouldn't Mars allow him to do that? Mara always lets his coaches/GM run things the way they deem fit. It is a lot of hypocritical comments by him hence why I can't take anything he says serious. His fall back is always that he wrote a book on leadership. Big fucking deal.
Also, to my eye, the endless runs for loss where the o line is blown up and the run goes for a loss seem to have stopped. I can't prove it, but the Giants must have been near or at the top of the NFL in runs for loss this past near decade of futility.
I don't want to alarm anybody, but the vision was for a powerful o line and stout active defensively front, both filled with big people, well it looks to be coming to fruition. Not time to pop bottles yet, but for the first time in a long time it looks to be trending the right way. Come out of the bye and smoke Cincy, and things can get even more interesting.
If things really went down the way the OP summarized, well thats an Alpha move and Judge is clearly the boss holding all accountable.
As it should be.
Nailing down why they suck is more subjective.
Nailing down the route to get better is even more subjective.
But again, it’s super easy to be right when the results, something everybody can obviously see, are always there to back up your opinion.
It’s easy to be negative and shit on everybody.
This is such a shit take. It’s not not go Terps and others flipped a coin and decided on negativity. We analyzed the situation and came out what ended up as an accurate prediction.
How many times do DG and Mara have to eventually admit what we have been saying on here for you to realize some people might actually know a thing or two about football and the giants?
So, I don’t take everything he says seriously. However, when I heard his take with what happened with Colombo, I think there could be a lot of truth to it.
It is likely that Judge viewed Colombo and DD as pretty equal in the initial interview promise, but deferred to Garrett as the OC in the choice. It is pretty obvious that Judge did not like what Colombo was doing, so he went for additional help and perhaps there had already been pushback from Colombo during the previous three weeks where Judge supposedly step in. Perhaps Judge was going to fire Colombo this week anyway as soon as DD was hired. If he fired Colombo 1st with out DD already committed, then it could have led to a weaker negotiating position and perhaps a lengthy negotiation and a period without a line coach.
IDK, all speculation.
This also may not bode well for Garrett going forward.
So, I don’t take everything he says seriously. However, when I heard his take with what happened with Colombo, I think there could be a lot of truth to it.
Of course it is possible. But the way he is reporting it makes it sound like Judge is almost incompetent as if Garrett overuled him. Imo, Judge is not letting anybody make decisions for him. He's a big boy and makes his own decision. Imo, he probably worked closely with his coordinators and discussed the candidates. It is one thing to say that Judge took Garrett's input and another thing to say Judge wanted DD from the get go but lost out because Garrett was banging the table. It's insulting to Judge. And if Judge wanted him all along why is he only reporting this after the fact? Also, I don't think Garrett is long for this team anyway so I don't think this is some breaking news. Judge is not happy with the production of the offense overall. I am sure he's gonna do what is right for the NYG in regards to that. If Garrett wants to be here he'll buy in. If not then move it along.
The o-line has improved. I don’t care who gets credit for it. If Judge was “consulting” with an unemployed coach, who cares? Maybe DeG was being elevated from Consultant to Assistant O-line coach and Colombo was defending the current assistant. No problem with that kind of reaction.
If it was Judge saying, “you’re doing a lousy job”, that’s unfortunate and awkward but it happens all the time in business.
Colombo is a hot head and teaches by intimidation. No surprise. That was known when he was hired. DeG is pretty close to the same guy, from what I read. Colombo’s reaction could have been and probably was anticipated by Judge who anticipates almost everything.
If DeG does nothing more than continue to emphasize what the Giants have been working on for the past month, that’s fine as it allows Judge to go back to managing the whole staff and all the positions instead of concentrating on o-line.
If Go Terps had his wish, TJ Hockenson would have been a Giant and a first round pick used on him.
Let's not act because posters say the Giants suck that their body of work is impeccable.
Judge had to step in and help out because he thought he needed to.
Yes, there are dopes on this board who believe that.
I overall agree with you on Garrett. While I am sure that Mara loves Garrett, I really doubt he ordered Judge to hire him. Hell, he was the very 1st guy I thought of when this all started(as OC not HC). As you said, was there anyone better available and was there anyone with better knowledge of the Giants than Garrett who planned for them twice per year? I'm sure Judge looked at Garrett and thought that he helped to develop Romo and Prescott into VG QBs.
We have no idea what Judge thinks of the offense. But let's face it, Garrett knows what the players are capable of doing. The line was bad to start and he lost Barkley early. I'm sure Judge and he decided to keep it basic and throw in a few gadget plays here and there to catch the defense. It seems they have opened up a little bit in the last couple weeks as the line improved.
People have been banging the table to get more vertical. Pretty hard to do when the QB is on his back.
Colombo has no say in the matter.
That's how business works.
And management weighs the outcomes, prior to execution the decision. So they already knew the possibility that Colombo would be out.
My take on it, is Judge thought Columbo, without added supervision was hurting the development of the young players and Gugs was being brought in to remediate that.
You have to wonder just how hands on Judge has been with OL recently, how much of the improvement is related to that, and how much that factored into the changes.
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around, and then told him who to hire as his OC? Who would have been a better option? It is logical though that JG pushed for Colombo as the OL coach, so the key question to me is not when Judge told Marc, it’s did JJ first discuss the changes with JG so he wasn’t blindsided. Hopefully JG knows the Duge and has a good rapport with him.
Yes, there are dopes on this board who believe that.
It’s not unrealistic to think that Mara advocated for JG, given their relationship, JG’s qualifications and JJ’s lack of experience.
For example, in today's NY Post, Serby writes how Judge AND Jones are "ahead of schedule" compared to Parcells/Simms.
but on Nov 3:
"Except Daniel Jones blew it.
He made the mistakes he cannot stop making, mistakes that make you wonder whether he is who the Giants believed he was"
That would be true in almost every situation except in off-season when it would right to let Columbo plan ahead. Until then he had a contract and might have accepted help.
It could have even looked to the NFL that he had influence over Gugeliemo has his assistant. He could have asked Judge to play it that way.
"Mark wanted to continue rapid progress by pulling in a consultant to help out."
Not hard to think beyond the moment if you are Columbo but he went to his angry hot take routine and now he is where he is.
Lets see if the Giants get better.
Usually, what gets watched, gets done
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You can never be wrong when the results back up your take.
Nailing down why they suck is more subjective.
Nailing down the route to get better is even more subjective.
But again, it’s super easy to be right when the results, something everybody can obviously see, are always there to back up your opinion.
It’s easy to be negative and shit on everybody.
This is such a shit take. It’s not not go Terps and others flipped a coin and decided on negativity. We analyzed the situation and came out what ended up as an accurate prediction.
How many times do DG and Mara have to eventually admit what we have been saying on here for you to realize some people might actually know a thing or two about football and the giants?
You analyzed the situation?
What have Mara and Gettleman “admitted to” that backs up/confirms anything you’ve said?
For example, in today's NY Post, Serby writes how Judge AND Jones are "ahead of schedule" compared to Parcells/Simms.
but on Nov 3:
"Except Daniel Jones blew it.
He made the mistakes he cannot stop making, mistakes that make you wonder whether he is who the Giants believed he was"
Like another poster said, they pander to the fans.
And many here but it hook, line, and sinker.