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Chris L. : 11/20/2020 8:00 am
I believe negotiations can start at 6:00pm today...I think I have that right. Let the madness begin!!!!!
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I wonder what  
NYG22 : 11/20/2020 9:14 am : link
the situation is with Malik Beasley given his brush w the law (not at all insignificant). Not to discount that, but if they view it as a low risk (a BIG if) off the court...he is a terrific fit on the court. Young athletic wing who would push RJB over to the SF spot.

FVV, Beasley, RJB, Toppin, Mitch would be an exciting 5 to root for and watch develop.
I dont want  
ripdumaine : 11/20/2020 9:21 am : link
Hayward, I prefer Beasley. He is younger, more athletic, healthier and cheaper.
No  
Spider43 : 11/20/2020 9:23 am : link
Carmela either, please.
I've been a Malik Beasley fan for awhile.  
bceagle05 : 11/20/2020 9:30 am : link
Was hoping the Knicks could pry him from Denver before he was dealt to Minny, and figured Minny would re-sign him. Maybe the Edwards pick opens the door for us.
hoping the nets can grab Ibaka or Roberson or both  
Eric on Li : 11/20/2020 9:32 am : link
they need some rotation pieces who can play D in the front court.

and resign Harris - although that seems likely.
isn't Beasley  
TommyWiseau : 11/20/2020 9:36 am : link
awful on defense?
Beasley  
TyreeHelmet : 11/20/2020 9:39 am : link
Via the Star Tribune:

"A couple was on the annual Parade of Homes tour on Sept. 26 with their 13-year-old child and pulled up in an SUV to the home Beasley and Yao rent but saw it was roped off. While pulled over to look up another home to visit, Beasley tapped on the vehicle's window and pointed a rifle at them.

"Get the [expletive] off my property!" Beasley said.

Beasley continued to train his "all-black assault rifle with a forehand grip" and a scope at the SUV as it drove off, the criminal complaint read.

Officers detected an overwhelming odor of marijuana and soon located more than 1¾ pounds of the drug in the basement living room and main floor office. Next to the stash was a notebook with instructions on how to smoke the drug."

That family must have been scared shitless. And what could the instructions in the notebook be...?
RE: isn't Beasley  
NYG22 : 11/20/2020 9:40 am : link
In comment 15052010 TommyWiseau said:
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awful on defense?


Not in my opinion. He's another athletic Florida State guy taught well by Leonard Hamilton and a big part of that is tenacious D.
RE: isn't Beasley  
NYG22 : 11/20/2020 9:43 am : link
In comment 15052010 TommyWiseau said:
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awful on defense?


You may be thinking of Michael Beasley.
RE: Beasley  
GGGGmen : 11/20/2020 9:44 am : link
In comment 15052017 TyreeHelmet said:
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Via the Star Tribune:

"A couple was on the annual Parade of Homes tour on Sept. 26 with their 13-year-old child and pulled up in an SUV to the home Beasley and Yao rent but saw it was roped off. While pulled over to look up another home to visit, Beasley tapped on the vehicle's window and pointed a rifle at them.

"Get the [expletive] off my property!" Beasley said.

Beasley continued to train his "all-black assault rifle with a forehand grip" and a scope at the SUV as it drove off, the criminal complaint read.

Officers detected an overwhelming odor of marijuana and soon located more than 1¾ pounds of the drug in the basement living room and main floor office. Next to the stash was a notebook with instructions on how to smoke the drug."

That family must have been scared shitless. And what could the instructions in the notebook be...?



Beasley and Yao rented a house together?
couple things..  
Italianju : 11/20/2020 9:47 am : link
what is a "parade of homes" and what could be in that notebook?

Def not a glowing story for Beasley. Maybe there was more to it, maybe he was too fucked up, who knows. Im usually good with not holding people to one bad thing, not sure if he has had other issues in the past.
Ahhh annual free agency day  
Stu11 : 11/20/2020 9:48 am : link
Where us Knicks fans get to sit around and watch the rest of the NBA wheel and deal and sign talent while every decent player with other options tell the Knicks to take a long walk off a short pier.
RE: Beasley  
JB_in_DC : 11/20/2020 9:50 am : link
In comment 15052017 TyreeHelmet said:
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And what could the instructions in the notebook be...?


Light that shit, smoke that shit, pass that shit
RE: RE: Beasley  
Anakim : 11/20/2020 9:54 am : link
In comment 15052024 GGGGmen said:
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In comment 15052017 TyreeHelmet said:


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Via the Star Tribune:

"A couple was on the annual Parade of Homes tour on Sept. 26 with their 13-year-old child and pulled up in an SUV to the home Beasley and Yao rent but saw it was roped off. While pulled over to look up another home to visit, Beasley tapped on the vehicle's window and pointed a rifle at them.

"Get the [expletive] off my property!" Beasley said.

Beasley continued to train his "all-black assault rifle with a forehand grip" and a scope at the SUV as it drove off, the criminal complaint read.

Officers detected an overwhelming odor of marijuana and soon located more than 1¾ pounds of the drug in the basement living room and main floor office. Next to the stash was a notebook with instructions on how to smoke the drug."

That family must have been scared shitless. And what could the instructions in the notebook be...?




Beasley and Yao rented a house together?


Yao (last name) is his girlfriend, but I would love to see a reality show with Yao Ming and Malik Beasley.
RE: Ahhh annual free agency day  
NYG22 : 11/20/2020 9:54 am : link
In comment 15052027 Stu11 said:
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Where us Knicks fans get to sit around and watch the rest of the NBA wheel and deal and sign talent while every decent player with other options tell the Knicks to take a long walk off a short pier.


Can we please lose this tired narrative? We get it, its been dismal. But the new leadership is an encouraging group and let's give them a clean slate to see what they can do.
RE: RE: Ahhh annual free agency day  
Anakim : 11/20/2020 9:57 am : link
In comment 15052033 NYG22 said:
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In comment 15052027 Stu11 said:


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Where us Knicks fans get to sit around and watch the rest of the NBA wheel and deal and sign talent while every decent player with other options tell the Knicks to take a long walk off a short pier.



Can we please lose this tired narrative? We get it, its been dismal. But the new leadership is an encouraging group and let's give them a clean slate to see what they can do.



Nothing against Leon Rose, but I really don't get how hiring an agent as the president of the organization will get us in the good graces of free agents. Okay, so he knows the top players' agents. Fantastic. That doesn't mean they players going to do Rose a solid and sign here on discounted prices.
Maybe the lucky set of domino turns which landed  
Chris L. : 11/20/2020 9:59 am : link
us Obi Toppin signifies the worm is finally turning. I just hope we don't make stupid moves which turn the focus from youth to win now at all costs.
i dont think that is why they hired him...  
Italianju : 11/20/2020 9:59 am : link
i know the media stated that was a reason, but maybe he is just a smart basketball guy who went out and hired a pretty solid FO.

Im not saying that is it, im just saying i dont think they hired him cause he is an agent. But im choosing to give the new FO a chance, i know we have been here many times before, but its only fair to give a new regime a chance.
RE: i dont think that is why they hired him...  
Anakim : 11/20/2020 10:06 am : link
In comment 15052043 Italianju said:
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i know the media stated that was a reason, but maybe he is just a smart basketball guy who went out and hired a pretty solid FO.

Im not saying that is it, im just saying i dont think they hired him cause he is an agent. But im choosing to give the new FO a chance, i know we have been here many times before, but its only fair to give a new regime a chance.


It's not just Rose. It's the new trend in pretty much every sport to hire agents to prominent front office roles. The Mets with BVW. The Lakers with Pelinka. I'm not sure I really get it. Yeah, maybe they have exceptional basketball acumen, but that's not what makes an agent. An agent prides himself/herself on his/her negotiating skills and marketability. It's not so much the talent scouting aspect of it. At the end of the day, money talks.
When they get brought in as president i get it more..  
Italianju : 11/20/2020 10:09 am : link
then say GM. They understand the league, the players, etc... Bringing them in as GM (BVW) was dumb because there is no reason to think they are some great judges of talent or have any idea how to actually put together a team.
RE: RE: Ahhh annual free agency day  
Stu11 : 11/20/2020 10:15 am : link
In comment 15052033 NYG22 said:
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In comment 15052027 Stu11 said:


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Where us Knicks fans get to sit around and watch the rest of the NBA wheel and deal and sign talent while every decent player with other options tell the Knicks to take a long walk off a short pier.



Can we please lose this tired narrative? We get it, its been dismal. But the new leadership is an encouraging group and let's give them a clean slate to see what they can do.

Oh no knock on Rose & co. They seemed to do fine with the draft But I'll believe a star chooses us over other options when I see it.
I can see an argument for  
giants#1 : 11/20/2020 10:15 am : link
them being quality judges of talent. If they sign lesser talented players, then they waste their time negotiating deals. It's both harder to find deals for lesser players and the deals are much lower value.

Good artilce on Leon Rose  
TyreeHelmet : 11/20/2020 10:17 am : link
Pretty incredible success story for Rose.

FYI- his son is an agent for CAA and one of Toppin's agents.I have no idea how Leon Rose the President will untangle himself with CAA the agency....
Leon Rose - ( New Window )
RE: I can see an argument for  
Anakim : 11/20/2020 10:18 am : link
In comment 15052064 giants#1 said:
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them being quality judges of talent. If they sign lesser talented players, then they waste their time negotiating deals. It's both harder to find deals for lesser players and the deals are much lower value.


Some agents go after the small fish out of necessity because the big stars will never choose them to represent them. In Rose's case, he basically only represented stars, no? I'm sure he got a start somewhere, but CAA is the biggest agency in the country.
RE: RE: isn't Beasley  
Spider43 : 11/20/2020 10:35 am : link
In comment 15052022 NYG22 said:
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In comment 15052010 TommyWiseau said:


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awful on defense?



You may be thinking of Michael Beasley.


He-he, I somewhat enjoyed Super Cool Beas' time here. Goofy as heck, but I enjoyed the scoring. Much more 'organic' than Randle, who disrupts everything with his contrived moves.
Michael Beasley is a weirdo  
Greg from LI : 11/20/2020 10:42 am : link
But he really could score.
RE: Good artilce on Leon Rose  
nygiants16 : 11/20/2020 10:44 am : link
In comment 15052071 TyreeHelmet said:
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Pretty incredible success story for Rose.

FYI- his son is an agent for CAA and one of Toppin's agents.I have no idea how Leon Rose the President will untangle himself with CAA the agency.... Leon Rose - ( New Window )


CAA is one of the biggest agencies in the NBA, people only complain aboit it when Rose does something they dont like..

For example if they draftdd Haliburton would CAA have been brought up?
Speaking of  
Spider43 : 11/20/2020 10:48 am : link
Here's an interesting conspiracy theory regarding Halliburton.

Link - ( New Window )
Just look at Dolan's history  
ghost718 : 11/20/2020 10:51 am : link
Where else can a Steve Mills work his way up to President

That's why you end up with guys like Rose
Beasley was awesome here  
adamg : 11/20/2020 10:52 am : link
I loved that dude
RE: Speaking of  
Shecky : 11/20/2020 11:05 am : link
In comment 15052122 Spider43 said:
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Here's an interesting conspiracy theory regarding Halliburton. Link - ( New Window )


I found the following to be the most interesting part!!

“ According to the conversation with Lowe, the Dallas Mavericks tried to move up to pick No. 8 and select Haliburton, but the Knicks waited to see if Obi Toppin would fall to them and he did.”
No way  
Jon in NYC : 11/20/2020 11:08 am : link
in hell the Knicks should have dropped back to 17 or wherever the Mavs were.
RE: RE: Speaking of  
Anakim : 11/20/2020 11:08 am : link
In comment 15052147 Shecky said:
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In comment 15052122 Spider43 said:


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Here's an interesting conspiracy theory regarding Halliburton. Link - ( New Window )



I found the following to be the most interesting part!!

“ According to the conversation with Lowe, the Dallas Mavericks tried to move up to pick No. 8 and select Haliburton, but the Knicks waited to see if Obi Toppin would fall to them and he did.”



Well, we already own two of their future first rounders, so what else could they have offered us?
RE: RE: Good artilce on Leon Rose  
TyreeHelmet : 11/20/2020 11:11 am : link
In comment 15052116 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 15052071 TyreeHelmet said:


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Pretty incredible success story for Rose.

FYI- his son is an agent for CAA and one of Toppin's agents.I have no idea how Leon Rose the President will untangle himself with CAA the agency.... Leon Rose - ( New Window )



CAA is one of the biggest agencies in the NBA, people only complain aboit it when Rose does something they dont like..

For example if they draftdd Haliburton would CAA have been brought up?


I'm not complaining. If anything I think it can be an advantage. I honestly didn't know his son was an agent there.

I really like the Toppin pick. Seems like they got great value at 8. I like it.
RE: RE: RE: Speaking of  
TheMick7 : 11/20/2020 11:14 am : link
In comment 15052154 Anakim said:
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In comment 15052147 Shecky said:


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In comment 15052122 Spider43 said:


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Here's an interesting conspiracy theory regarding Halliburton. Link - ( New Window )



I found the following to be the most interesting part!!

“ According to the conversation with Lowe, the Dallas Mavericks tried to move up to pick No. 8 and select Haliburton, but the Knicks waited to see if Obi Toppin would fall to them and he did.”




Well, we already own two of their future first rounders, so what else could they have offered us?


An injured Porzingis? :)
RE: RE: RE: Good artilce on Leon Rose  
Stu11 : 11/20/2020 11:24 am : link
In comment 15052162 TyreeHelmet said:
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In comment 15052116 nygiants16 said:


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In comment 15052071 TyreeHelmet said:


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Pretty incredible success story for Rose.

FYI- his son is an agent for CAA and one of Toppin's agents.I have no idea how Leon Rose the President will untangle himself with CAA the agency.... Leon Rose - ( New Window )



CAA is one of the biggest agencies in the NBA, people only complain aboit it when Rose does something they dont like..

For example if they draftdd Haliburton would CAA have been brought up?



I'm not complaining. If anything I think it can be an advantage. I honestly didn't know his son was an agent there.

I really like the Toppin pick. Seems like they got great value at 8. I like it.

Funny probably because of the negativity around here with him leading up to the draft I was kind of down on him but suddenly the day of the draft I did a deeper dive on him and got hooked. He is so dynamic offensively I think he only has begun scratching the surface eventhough he's 21. He will definately bring some juice into the building. When's the last time we had that? I also see Quigley really lighting it up off the bench and a guy who can be on the floor late in games due to his athleticism, defense and free throw shooting. I probably would have taken Flynn there but I'm not complaining.
I think a bunch of the negativity  
bigbluehoya : 11/20/2020 11:26 am : link
came from the idea that seemed commonly accepted that if Toppin was a Knick it meant that they would have traded up, and it didn't feel like the top of the draft was strong enough to warrant giving up assets.

When they stayed put, I felt a lot better about it. The human/hometown element of seeing the kid's reaction didn't hurt perception either. But primarily the fact that they still had that second first round pick.
RE: I think a bunch of the negativity  
Stu11 : 11/20/2020 11:38 am : link
In comment 15052174 bigbluehoya said:
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came from the idea that seemed commonly accepted that if Toppin was a Knick it meant that they would have traded up, and it didn't feel like the top of the draft was strong enough to warrant giving up assets.

When they stayed put, I felt a lot better about it. The human/hometown element of seeing the kid's reaction didn't hurt perception either. But primarily the fact that they still had that second first round pick.

True. I also think his poor D had a lot to do with it. I think there's way too much handwringing over NBA guys and their D. Especially a guy like Toppin with his work ethic and Thibs ability to coach up D. Also I was really surprised to find out what a growth spurt he's had in recent years as well. He couldn't even dunk as a junior in HS. Growing into that type of body change has to be difficult at times to adjust too especially without great defensive coaching.
BTW  
Spider43 : 11/20/2020 12:22 pm : link
We signed Myles Powell from the Hall after the draft...

Link - ( New Window )
'Top' 25 Rankings  
Spider43 : 11/20/2020 12:41 pm : link
Way subjective, of course. Personally, I don't think we should blow our load this offseason, as next offseason's class is more star-studded. Thibs will disagree, of course. I won't mind a sprinkling of decent moves, but nothing major hopefully.
Link - ( New Window )
Sounds  
Jon in NYC : 11/20/2020 12:42 pm : link
like Hayward for Myles Turner has some legs.
I know it's a weak FA field  
larryflower37 : 11/20/2020 12:44 pm : link
But it is damn quiet.
Usually by now deals would be leaking out
when joe harris  
hitdog42 : 11/20/2020 12:46 pm : link
is one of the top names out there

its not an exciting free agency.
RE: when joe harris  
Greg from LI : 11/20/2020 12:47 pm : link
In comment 15052260 hitdog42 said:
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is one of the top names out there

its not an exciting free agency.


I'm gonna pretend I didn't hear that
Toppin's Defense  
Chamberlain : 11/20/2020 12:52 pm : link
Regarding concerns with his defense, I've read it has less to do with his commitment or experience and more to do with a lack of flexibility (hips), which is often a concern with DB's and safeties. We'll see as his gets tested with pick and rolls.
Thibs shouldn't be leading the charge here.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/20/2020 12:54 pm : link
Already tired of hearing he was in favor of Westbrook.
RE: Toppin's Defense  
larryflower37 : 11/20/2020 1:00 pm : link
In comment 15052263 Chamberlain said:
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Regarding concerns with his defense, I've read it has less to do with his commitment or experience and more to do with a lack of flexibility (hips), which is often a concern with DB's and safeties. We'll see as his gets tested with pick and rolls.

The one thing he has going for him he is not afraid of hard work and practice.
Hopefully with coaching and effort it will improve so that it's not a liability
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hitdog42 : 11/20/2020 1:11 pm : link
In comment 15052261 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 15052260 hitdog42 said:


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is one of the top names out there

its not an exciting free agency.



I'm gonna pretend I didn't hear that


lol!
i love joe--- but when they are talking about 18 a yr for him and being a key target- its a bit frightening in regards to strength of the class
..  
Heisenberg : 11/20/2020 1:43 pm : link

Jonathan Macri
@JCMacriNBA
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Can’t confirm anything is done, but hearing some rumblings on the Gordon Hayward front...how would Knicks fans feel about three years, $70 million?
RE: ..  
Jon in NYC : 11/20/2020 1:46 pm : link
In comment 15052303 Heisenberg said:
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Jonathan Macri
@JCMacriNBA
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Can’t confirm anything is done, but hearing some rumblings on the Gordon Hayward front...how would Knicks fans feel about three years, $70 million?


That's actually a pretty reasonable deal.
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