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Chris L. : 11/20/2020 8:00 am
I believe negotiations can start at 6:00pm today...I think I have that right. Let the madness begin!!!!!
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The best thing the knicks can do with their cap space  
Giantfan21 : 11/20/2020 6:34 pm : link
is use it to absorb bad deals and acquire assets with it in the process like they did with Ed David yesterday.

No big FA are coming here and signing these medicore ones are not doing anything positive for the team both in the short and long term as evidenced by last year. They only take away playing time from the younger players and give the team a few meaningless wins at the end of the season .

Build the team the right way through the draft, acquiring assets , and focus on development. eventually when you have a winning team or at least a team on the rise that is when the FA will want to come ala Brooklyn .

The problem is every front office under Dolan always wants that quick fix through Free agency and it never works and it never will work . They need someone disciplined like Sam Presti who understands that OKC is not a premiere FA destination so he has to build his team through drafting, asset collection, player development, and trades .
Id just much rather them do that then...  
Italianju : 11/20/2020 6:42 pm : link
the nonsense they did last year. Thing is you need teams to need the capspace and this FA is so ehh im not sure too many deals will materialize. Lets hope so though
FA  
31southst : 11/20/2020 6:43 pm : link
The more I think about Beasley the more sense he makes assuming the off the court stuff checks out. Honestly fine with getting him and Augustine and saving 10-15m in space for in season stuff.
guys like besley are the kinds...  
Italianju : 11/20/2020 6:46 pm : link
of moves we need to hit on. Take a chance a guys best basketball is ahead of him. Make the team better then go star hunting.
Mason Plumlee: 3yr/$25 million to Detroit.  
bceagle05 : 11/20/2020 6:48 pm : link
OK....
These are the moves i dont want to use our capspace on,...  
Italianju : 11/20/2020 6:49 pm : link
Adrian Wojnarowski
@wojespn
Free agent center Mason Plumlee has agreed to a three-year, $25M deal with the Detroit Pistons, his agent Mark Bartelstein of @PrioritySportstells ESPN.
i mean 8 mill a year is not a lot in the NBA...  
Italianju : 11/20/2020 6:50 pm : link
and plumlee isnt a bad player but there are guys all over the place who can give you what Plumlee can.
RE: Id just much rather them do that then...  
Giantfan21 : 11/20/2020 6:59 pm : link
In comment 15052606 Italianju said:
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the nonsense they did last year. Thing is you need teams to need the capspace and this FA is so ehh im not sure too many deals will materialize. Lets hope so though


Yes but there are very few teams left with cap space at this point and there are still a lot of FA out there. Also teams might want to pursue RFA or trades and might need to shed a contract off their books to do it. This si where the knicks renting out their cap space for draft picks can be used for their advantage instead of filling it up with mediocre junk like KCP, Jeff Teague etc .

If they are going to use their capspace though not on absorbing bad deals, then using it on ascending players like Wood, Bogdanovich, Beasley is what they should be doing . Guys who can grow with the team and whose best years might be ahead of them
RE: Mason Plumlee: 3yr/$25 million to Detroit.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/20/2020 7:03 pm : link
In comment 15052610 bceagle05 said:
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OK....


Hahaha. Burning money.
Again, the Knicks should NOT be absorbing bad multi year deals.  
robbieballs2003 : 11/20/2020 7:04 pm : link
They should be looking for bad 1 year contracts. And why is that significant? Well because team would want to free up cap space to sign players. If it didn't happen by now it probably won't be happening. Last year was the year to take on 1 and 2 years of a bad contract. You don't want to have your cap fucked for next offseason. Even of the Knicks get screwed again on another big FA year, we can still absorb contracts then and get better assets because there are better FA available. But that should happen next year if we can't land anyone. The plan this year should be signing 1 year guys like last year but people will probably kill them for that.
Jahlil Okafor  
Spider43 : 11/20/2020 7:06 pm : link
Also signing with the Pistons.
So  
Spider43 : 11/20/2020 7:07 pm : link
Is Christian Wood gone?
Is steve mills running thr Pistons  
nygiants16 : 11/20/2020 7:07 pm : link
just signed okafor
RE: Is steve mills running thr Pistons  
Del Shofner : 11/20/2020 7:12 pm : link
In comment 15052621 nygiants16 said:
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just signed okafor


haha - I remember Clyde really wanted Okafor, and when the Knicks didn't get him Clyde kept talking about it
RE: Again, the Knicks should NOT be absorbing bad multi year deals.  
Giantfan21 : 11/20/2020 7:17 pm : link
In comment 15052618 robbieballs2003 said:
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They should be looking for bad 1 year contracts. And why is that significant? Well because team would want to free up cap space to sign players. If it didn't happen by now it probably won't be happening. Last year was the year to take on 1 and 2 years of a bad contract. You don't want to have your cap fucked for next offseason. Even of the Knicks get screwed again on another big FA year, we can still absorb contracts then and get better assets because there are better FA available. But that should happen next year if we can't land anyone. The plan this year should be signing 1 year guys like last year but people will probably kill them for that.


Signing 1 year guys never works because they are only looking to pad their stats for their next contract and have no interest in playing team ball .This past year was a disaster because everyone was playing selfishly just looking for their next contract
RE: Jahlil Okafor  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/20/2020 7:20 pm : link
In comment 15052619 Spider43 said:
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Also signing with the Pistons.


Hahaha. (Pause) LOL.
RE: RE: Again, the Knicks should NOT be absorbing bad multi year deals.  
robbieballs2003 : 11/20/2020 7:21 pm : link
In comment 15052628 Giantfan21 said:
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They should be looking for bad 1 year contracts. And why is that significant? Well because team would want to free up cap space to sign players. If it didn't happen by now it probably won't be happening. Last year was the year to take on 1 and 2 years of a bad contract. You don't want to have your cap fucked for next offseason. Even of the Knicks get screwed again on another big FA year, we can still absorb contracts then and get better assets because there are better FA available. But that should happen next year if we can't land anyone. The plan this year should be signing 1 year guys like last year but people will probably kill them for that.



Signing 1 year guys never works because they are only looking to pad their stats for their next contract and have no interest in playing team ball .This past year was a disaster because everyone was playing selfishly just looking for their next contract


And last year should have been different. This year is about keeping our cap flexible for next offseason. If players are playing selfishly then that's on the coach and the systems in place in the organization.
Built a nice backcourt with halliburton  
larryflower37 : 11/20/2020 7:24 pm : link
De'Aaron Fox agrees to a five-year, $163M max extension with Sacramento, with clause to reach $195.6M super max, per @ShamsCharania
Woj  
larryflower37 : 11/20/2020 7:26 pm : link
Free agent Jordan Clarkson has agreed to a four-year, $52M deal with the Utah Jazz, his agent Rich Paul of Klutch Sports tells ESPN.
Love Fox.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/20/2020 7:27 pm : link
He is a great young player.
RE: RE: RE: Again, the Knicks should NOT be absorbing bad multi year deals.  
Giantfan21 : 11/20/2020 7:38 pm : link
In comment 15052631 robbieballs2003 said:
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In comment 15052618 robbieballs2003 said:


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They should be looking for bad 1 year contracts. And why is that significant? Well because team would want to free up cap space to sign players. If it didn't happen by now it probably won't be happening. Last year was the year to take on 1 and 2 years of a bad contract. You don't want to have your cap fucked for next offseason. Even of the Knicks get screwed again on another big FA year, we can still absorb contracts then and get better assets because there are better FA available. But that should happen next year if we can't land anyone. The plan this year should be signing 1 year guys like last year but people will probably kill them for that.



Signing 1 year guys never works because they are only looking to pad their stats for their next contract and have no interest in playing team ball .This past year was a disaster because everyone was playing selfishly just looking for their next contract



And last year should have been different. This year is about keeping our cap flexible for next offseason. If players are playing selfishly then that's on the coach and the systems in place in the organization.


You can keep the cap flexible while still taking on bad contracts with only 1 year left on them .

Players on 1 year contracts unless they are older vets who are ring chasing are just by nature going to play more selfish because they want to cash out on their next contract. That's why it's a terrible philosophy what they did last year and i really hope they dont repeat it this offseason again.

Either find a player you feel is worth investing a multi year deal in or rent your cap space out. If you cant do neither , then you better make sure the players you are signing are team 1st guys and not guys like Portis, Randle, Ellington etc
I'm nor sure what you are saying.  
robbieballs2003 : 11/20/2020 7:54 pm : link
Are you agreeing or disagreeing?
Favors  
Spider43 : 11/20/2020 7:56 pm : link
To Jazz. Patterson back to the Clip joint.
RE: I'm nor sure what you are saying.  
Giantfan21 : 11/20/2020 8:00 pm : link
In comment 15052646 robbieballs2003 said:
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Are you agreeing or disagreeing?


I agree with you they should be careful not to take on bad contracts that are going to extend into next years Free Agency but if they are going to go the route of signing players to 1 year deals instead they better be very careful which players they bring in because it's a recipe for disaster
Gotcha.  
robbieballs2003 : 11/20/2020 8:03 pm : link
I wasn't against what we did last year at first because I was hoping they'd be able to trade those players for picks. It didn't work out. So, those who said we should have rented out last year were correct.
Unusually uneventful though, yes?  
Spider43 : 11/20/2020 8:08 pm : link
What with COVID, the cap going down, uncertainty with fans attending next season, etc. Usually there's a plethora of big signings already. Just one super max, and a sprinkling of role players here and there. Strange.
Looks like the pistons  
larryflower37 : 11/20/2020 8:23 pm : link
Are burning through their cap space
Free agent F Josh Jackson is finalizing a deal with the Detroit Pistons, sources tell ESPN.
I am a little surprised  
nygiants16 : 11/20/2020 8:27 pm : link
FVV didnt resign with Toronto right away
Atlanta with 21 million left. Knicks 35 million.  
larryflower37 : 11/20/2020 8:33 pm : link
Danilo Gallinari is headed to the Hawks on a three-year, $61.5M deal, per @wojespn https://t.co/ZoIl9tDdzS
RE: Atlanta with 21 million left. Knicks 35 million.  
UGADawgs7 : 11/20/2020 8:36 pm : link
In comment 15052662 larryflower37 said:
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Danilo Gallinari is headed to the Hawks on a three-year, $61.5M deal, per @wojespn https://t.co/ZoIl9tDdzS


That after Ed Davis only $35M left?
FVV  
TyreeHelmet : 11/20/2020 8:39 pm : link
Pay the man. Max him out. Make it happen Leon.
Howard to 76ers.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/20/2020 8:40 pm : link
My 76ers friend is thrilled...
RE: RE: Atlanta with 21 million left. Knicks 35 million.  
larryflower37 : 11/20/2020 8:45 pm : link
In comment 15052664 UGADawgs7 said:
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Danilo Gallinari is headed to the Hawks on a three-year, $61.5M deal, per @wojespn https://t.co/ZoIl9tDdzS



That after Ed Davis only $35M left?

Yeah but they are talks to cut Davis.
.  
pjcas18 : 11/20/2020 8:46 pm : link
Shams Charania
@ShamsCharania
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1m
Restricted free agent Malik Beasley (@Mbeasy5
) has agreed to a four-year, $60M deal to return to the Minnesota Timberwolves, his agent Brian Jungreis told @TheAthleticNBA
@Stadium
.
BBI favorite  
larryflower37 : 11/20/2020 8:46 pm : link
Restricted free agent Malik Beasley (@Mbeasy5) has agreed to a four-year, $60M deal to return to the Minnesota Timberwolves, his agent Brian Jungreis told @TheAthleticNBA @Stadium.
Oh well  
ripdumaine : 11/20/2020 8:47 pm : link
No Beasley
RE: .  
Jon in NYC : 11/20/2020 8:50 pm : link
In comment 15052669 pjcas18 said:
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Shams Charania
@ShamsCharania
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1m
Restricted free agent Malik Beasley (@Mbeasy5
) has agreed to a four-year, $60M deal to return to the Minnesota Timberwolves, his agent Brian Jungreis told @TheAthleticNBA
@Stadium
.


Damn, 15MM isn't crazy. I probably would have done this.
Damn  
larryflower37 : 11/20/2020 8:54 pm : link
Christian Wood is close to finalizing a three-year, $27 million contract with the Houston Rockets, according to a source.
Wow  
Jon in NYC : 11/20/2020 8:55 pm : link
this is a great signing for the Rockets:

@TheFrankIsola
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Christian Wood is close to finalizing a three-year, $27 million contract with the Houston Rockets, according to a source.
If the Knicks  
Jon in NYC : 11/20/2020 8:56 pm : link
didn't take Toppin I would have been all over that.
RE: Wow  
larryflower37 : 11/20/2020 8:56 pm : link
In comment 15052677 Jon in NYC said:
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this is a great signing for the Rockets:

@TheFrankIsola
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Christian Wood is close to finalizing a three-year, $27 million contract with the Houston Rockets, according to a source.

Just what they need a another knockdown 3pt shooter.
Really wanted him on the Knicks
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Jon in NYC : 11/20/2020 8:57 pm : link
In comment 15052673 Jon in NYC said:
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Shams Charania
@ShamsCharania
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Restricted free agent Malik Beasley (@Mbeasy5
) has agreed to a four-year, $60M deal to return to the Minnesota Timberwolves, his agent Brian Jungreis told @TheAthleticNBA
@Stadium
.



Damn, 15MM isn't crazy. I probably would have done this.


This is only 3 + a team option. I definitely would have done this. I'm surprised Beasley didn't try to get an offer to force the Wolves to match TBH. He's going to be behind both Dlo and Edwards.
RE: Damn  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 11/20/2020 8:58 pm : link
In comment 15052675 larryflower37 said:
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Christian Wood is close to finalizing a three-year, $27 million contract with the Houston Rockets, according to a source.


Really like this signing for the Rockets. I'm really high on Wood, he tore it up last year. If Harden/Westbrook stay, he'd be a great piece next to them.
Yeah that Wood contract is a steal.  
bceagle05 : 11/20/2020 9:04 pm : link
Roughly the same as Mason freakin Plumlee.
Hold up, Shams says Wood  
bceagle05 : 11/20/2020 9:05 pm : link
is still talking to teams.
Shams  
Jon in NYC : 11/20/2020 9:05 pm : link
saying it's not done yet.
Anyone else worried the Knicks are leaving  
larryflower37 : 11/20/2020 9:11 pm : link
Space for Westbrook?
I would love VanVleet for 3 yrs 70 million.
Would be a nice fit
RE: RE: Damn  
larryflower37 : 11/20/2020 9:12 pm : link
In comment 15052683 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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In comment 15052675 larryflower37 said:


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Christian Wood is close to finalizing a three-year, $27 million contract with the Houston Rockets, according to a source.



Really like this signing for the Rockets. I'm really high on Wood, he tore it up last year. If Harden/Westbrook stay, he'd be a great piece next to them.

Perfect piece for Houston
Have  
UGADawgs7 : 11/20/2020 9:13 pm : link
NYK done anything yet? Seems like they may be waiting things out a bit for a trade?
RE: Have  
larryflower37 : 11/20/2020 9:16 pm : link
In comment 15052695 UGADawgs7 said:
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NYK done anything yet? Seems like they may be waiting things out a bit for a trade?

Could be negotiating with VanVleet.
Easiest way to figure this out is if they are a CAA client and/or played at Kentucky
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