I’m terribly tired of losing and at some point the Knicks will have to learn to win and be competitive if they want to attract talent. However, I think a lot of people would also be upset if they gave out these kinds of contracts to Van Vleet, Hayward, etc. It’s hard to take another “tank” season, and I would love a real PG to distribute to our young guys, but sometimes not making any moves is the best way to go - not a Knick specialty in years past.
Hoping we see growth from the young guys, get one more high pick in a much better draft, and make a move in what should be a better FA class.
is the improvement of RJ, Mitch and Toppin, if that leads to wins great, if it doesnt great, but if we see Randle dominating the ball i am going to be pissed..
He needs to come off the bench, he can be the bench scoring
Totally agree. Need to let the young players sink or swim. But without question they are entering the year with the worst roster in the league.
Any news on Bogdan? Or throwing a loaded poisoned offer at Ingram? Hopefully they can help execute a trade with the cap space and get a pick
in season.
Or is it? I'm cool with this, but is Thibs? I still have this feeling Rose and Wes will wait for Houston to blink with Russ.
Honestly I think thats the plan. No way Rose and co came here to add this pile of shmeg and call it a day.
I think you give them too much credit.
They thought they could walk in and because it was Rose and company attract top talent.
I don't believe there was a plan past that and I am afraid they will get desperate once the L's build up and Fans get restless.
And here comes Westbrook or worse Wall.
Just stop. What top talent did you think Rose and company thought they could attract but didn’t? This FA class was shit and reports are they never made an offfer to VanVleet. They had interest in Hayward but there’s no way they were planning on giving him the contract Charlotte did. If they did they should all be fired on the spot. So again, what “top talent” do you think they thought was a lock because of who they are and got shot down by? They did the right thing and passed on giving average players elite money.
just admit it, YOU wanted them to sign top talent. Whether that actually existed isn’t important I guess...
I wanted VanVleet and Christian Wood both under 26 and hitting their prime.
But my point is I don't think there is a cohesive rebuild going on.
If Toppin turns out to be and all-star that can lift a team I will admit I am wrong.
After only hitting on Morris in FA last year that turned into a pick.
This year it looks like they made no effort to go after any of the good young talent available.
They could have used the cap space to add salary for picks but failed there also.
All I am saying I have zero confidence in this front office and believe they are over their heads and have done nothing to show me different.
At the end of the day the media will spin this as a failure by the front office, but I could not be happier with the off-season so far. That changes for me if they trade for Wall or Westbrook. I wouldn’t mind bogdnovic on a 1 year $25 mil contract (an overpay on purpose to limit it to 1 year. The front office recognized that this was a very weak free agent class.
I am more then fine giving Frank and even Smith Jr. 25-30 mins a night as a final chance to see what they have. I am very bullish on Frank showing significant improvement this year, not sure about smith jr. I think it’s mostly mental with him and maybe good coaching can help that, but ultimately he probably gets traded. I think Payton is signed because he is a pretty good distributor and can help in the starting line up, but I would expect he only sees 15-20 mins a night.
My ideal rotation:
PG - Payton/Frank
SG - Burks/quickly/Bullock
SF - Barrett/Iggy
PF - Toppin/Knox
C - Mitch/Noels
Alec Burks - shot 41 percent from 3, 46 percent overall, 1 year 6 million - can give solid mins every night and can def get another 2nd rounder at trade deadline for a contender
Norlen Noel’s - still only 26, while I think we know he isn’t going to be a superstar, he def showed significant improvement last year. Scores very efficiently and plays very good defense, he will be a good backup center and is worthy of a 1 year look.
Not sure why bullock was picked up, maybe for future trade bait. I am assuming Ed Davis and Randle are def traded before the beginnng of the year.
As long as these guys play hard I am fine with a 15-20 win season if the young guys are improving and getting bigger minutes. We have assets to make a big trade, hopefully bradley Beale and we will have a very high lottery pick in a stacked draft. Additionally with Porzingis starting the year not playing and the West being so deep, it’s not impossible for that Dallas pick to fall into the lottery. That’s how deep te west is although the kla thompson injury hurts GS chances.
Or is it? I'm cool with this, but is Thibs? I still have this feeling Rose and Wes will wait for Houston to blink with Russ.
Honestly I think thats the plan. No way Rose and co came here to add this pile of shmeg and call it a day.
I think you give them too much credit.
They thought they could walk in and because it was Rose and company attract top talent.
I don't believe there was a plan past that and I am afraid they will get desperate once the L's build up and Fans get restless.
And here comes Westbrook or worse Wall.
Just stop. What top talent did you think Rose and company thought they could attract but didn’t? This FA class was shit and reports are they never made an offfer to VanVleet. They had interest in Hayward but there’s no way they were planning on giving him the contract Charlotte did. If they did they should all be fired on the spot. So again, what “top talent” do you think they thought was a lock because of who they are and got shot down by? They did the right thing and passed on giving average players elite money.
just admit it, YOU wanted them to sign top talent. Whether that actually existed isn’t important I guess...
I wanted VanVleet and Christian Wood both under 26 and hitting their prime.
But my point is I don't think there is a cohesive rebuild going on.
If Toppin turns out to be and all-star that can lift a team I will admit I am wrong.
After only hitting on Morris in FA last year that turned into a pick.
This year it looks like they made no effort to go after any of the good young talent available. They could have used the cap space to add salary for picks but failed there also.
All I am saying I have zero confidence in this front office and believe they are over their heads and have done nothing to show me different.
Please point out where they failed at taking on salary to add picks. You are completely missing the picture here. Why the fuck would we take on multiple years of a bad contract for picks when those picks will be sure to suck instead of keeping our cap space open for next offseason? Imo, your plan would have been fine LAST year. This year it is out of the question to clog up our cap space for the 2021 FAs.
also give Bogdanovic a 2 year 50 mil offer with the second year as a team option, or something like that. Hard to believe the Kings match, or maybe we work out a trade.
Apparently Giannis and Bogdan are close, which also can't hurt anything.
Or is it? I'm cool with this, but is Thibs? I still have this feeling Rose and Wes will wait for Houston to blink with Russ.
Honestly I think thats the plan. No way Rose and co came here to add this pile of shmeg and call it a day.
I think you give them too much credit.
They thought they could walk in and because it was Rose and company attract top talent.
I don't believe there was a plan past that and I am afraid they will get desperate once the L's build up and Fans get restless.
And here comes Westbrook or worse Wall.
Just stop. What top talent did you think Rose and company thought they could attract but didn’t? This FA class was shit and reports are they never made an offfer to VanVleet. They had interest in Hayward but there’s no way they were planning on giving him the contract Charlotte did. If they did they should all be fired on the spot. So again, what “top talent” do you think they thought was a lock because of who they are and got shot down by? They did the right thing and passed on giving average players elite money.
just admit it, YOU wanted them to sign top talent. Whether that actually existed isn’t important I guess...
I wanted VanVleet and Christian Wood both under 26 and hitting their prime.
But my point is I don't think there is a cohesive rebuild going on.
If Toppin turns out to be and all-star that can lift a team I will admit I am wrong.
After only hitting on Morris in FA last year that turned into a pick.
This year it looks like they made no effort to go after any of the good young talent available.
They could have used the cap space to add salary for picks but failed there also.
All I am saying I have zero confidence in this front office and believe they are over their heads and have done nothing to show me different.
Please point out where they failed at taking on salary to add picks. You are completely missing the picture here. Why the fuck would we take on multiple years of a bad contract for picks when those picks will be sure to suck instead of keeping our cap space open for next offseason? Imo, your plan would have been fine LAST year. This year it is out of the question to clog up our cap space for the 2021 FAs.
I am saying they never use the cap space correctly and we either kick it down the road for the next big year or sign mid tier players with little upside.
The next FA big year is not coming for the Knicks until they get some young viable talent.
Which I am not confident Rose and company are qualified to choose either in FA or the draft.
You keep bringing up old shit and then criticizing the new regime. Listen, I am not all gung ho on Rose and company yet but how can you keep saying things like the only thing that worked out last year was Morris and "they" don't use their cap situation the right way. Rose and company have just started. You can't lay past issues at their feet. Stop confusing the two.
I keep seeing this everywhere so I have to ask. Who exactlly are the Knicks targeting in 2021 free agency?
I would be focused on trying to get another pick in the draft rather then free agency.
It's a year away so why would we have a list if who specifically we are focused on and even if we did why would that be public? You still haven't answered my question of how this team fucked up by missing out on contracts dumped.
When the FA players are better you'll have more options for dumps. Anything you are complaining about this year can be done next year which would give us a better payout to take in contracts. You are being irrational and emotional about the Knicks actions so far.
I keep seeing this everywhere so I have to ask. Who exactlly are the Knicks targeting in 2021 free agency?
I would be focused on trying to get another pick in the draft rather then free agency.
It's really top heavy. Giannis, probably Kawhi, Paul George, and Lebron. Then there's a decent sized second tier with Oladipo, Gobert, Jrue Holiday, Lowry.
The real prize is Giannis who is still only 25. Tough to see any of the others in the top group leaving (pending what happens with LAC this year), and Giannis might not either.
You keep bringing up old shit and then criticizing the new regime. Listen, I am not all gung ho on Rose and company yet but how can you keep saying things like the only thing that worked out last year was Morris and "they" don't use their cap situation the right way. Rose and company have just started. You can't lay past issues at their feet. Stop confusing the two.
Very true.
I was not a fan of the Rose hire and the Tibs hire so maybe I am projecting the past failures but last 2 off season have shown more of the same.
Listen I am not going anywhere and will still root and watch.
Hopefully these kids surprise and something breaks right.
they obviously had numbers in their head for guys like FVV and Hayward and they got more then that, or in the case of FVV prolly wanted more then he got to leave TOR. I was on board with improving the team, wanted CP3, wanted FVV, was on board with hayward in that 3/70 range, etc.. but it didnt work. Im glad they didnt pay hayward 30 mill a year. Wood got a reasonable deal, but no point in signing wood after drafting toppin. Also would it shock anyone if Wood isnt good next year? Not exactly a sure thing.
I think they should make a run at Bogdan. Perhaps there is still a team looking to shed a bit of salary due to luxury or cap, and we can pick up a small asset.
I don't know if that is even being considered. Most of the moves so far have been heavily rooted in familiarity with the new regime.
Thibs - CAA
Toppin - CAA
Quickley - Kentucky
Noel - Kentucky
Burks - Utah
Even Payton who is a familiar face is repped by CAA
Obviously there is a big trend with CAA/Kentucky, and Randle happens to have both of those ties. Clearly we all want to see him gone, it is probably in the best interest of developing the young guys on the team, but it seems to go against everything that this new FO has done thus far.
I don't think we will stink enough to be in play for Cunningham, but
Cade will play on ESPN Wednesday at 4 pm vs. Utah. Check it out Knicks fans. Knicks’ free-agency flop means tank is on for Cade Cunningham - ( New Window )
Cunningham is very good.
Not that I care because the NCAA is the height of hypocrisy and phoniness, but how they allow the obvious quid pro quo with Boynton hiring Cunningham’s brother to be his assistant at Oak St is really laugh out loud stuff...
Knox was such a turd last year. I hope Thibs can get into him but
realistically he will probably just languish on the bench because he doesn't hustle on D and sulks after missing one shot.
I know RJ can't shoot, but I feel he can take SG's down in the post better than he can break down opposing SF's. We have more front court players anyway. Try him at SG. I like Burks coming out of college, but he hasn't done much as a pro.
I don't know if that is even being considered. Most of the moves so far have been heavily rooted in familiarity with the new regime.
Thibs - CAA
Toppin - CAA
Quickley - Kentucky
Noel - Kentucky
Burks - Utah
Even Payton who is a familiar face is repped by CAA
Obviously there is a big trend with CAA/Kentucky, and Randle happens to have both of those ties. Clearly we all want to see him gone, it is probably in the best interest of developing the young guys on the team, but it seems to go against everything that this new FO has done thus far.
We like to sit back and say "Glad the Knicks didn't do that",and they may have been overpays,but pretty soon those teams will surpass the Knicks. They're gonna start waving bye bye to the Knicks in the lottery.Because no matter the financial terms,they're still improving.
I would agree. From what I've seen at this level, he looks like hot garbage to me.
And I can't imagine Thibs, and Dolan, being down with 'Tank 4 Cade'. Not after all the disasters we've had in the past couple of years. I still think the FO will be looking to upgrade the 1 at some point, this season.
I keep seeing this everywhere so I have to ask. Who exactlly are the Knicks targeting in 2021 free agency?
I would be focused on trying to get another pick in the draft rather then free agency.
It's a year away so why would we have a list if who specifically we are focused on and even if we did why would that be public? You still haven't answered my question of how this team fucked up by missing out on contracts dumped.
When the FA players are better you'll have more options for dumps. Anything you are complaining about this year can be done next year which would give us a better payout to take in contracts. You are being irrational and emotional about the Knicks actions so far.
Sorry to keep you waiting... I would have been involved in the Horford and Ariza trades. And just because a trade didn't occur doesn't mean it wasn't possible. I would venture to guess a top GM could have used this cap room to acquire some assets. I guarantee there was a deal with Charlotte possible for them to get off the Batum contract.
Tons of writers, analysts and fans keep pointing to this big 2021 free agent class. So who exactly do they have a shot at? I just don't see any plausible scenario where the top guys even consider the Knicks next summer.
So your reasoning is that because next years class is better there will be more options for dumps? Explain to me why you can't do it this year and next? They don't have anyone on the books next year for big money...
If their strategy is to tank this year and go young- then fine I'm good with that. But at least go all in with that and don't half measure it. "Cap flexibility" does absolutely nothing unless you use it to your advantage.
If there is even just a 1% chance of us landing a big time FA then you keep that option open one more year. I also said I think it is easier to get a pair of stars than 1 star. I also said that anything we do this year we can do next with taking on bad contracts if we aren't signing anyone of substance. And if we suck this year we get better picks as opposed to taking in bad contracts and winning more games with those players. These are all advantages to waiting one more year imo.
I have also said that we need to be more attractive to FA and winning is part of that. I get it. I just view our path to being a legit contender different. I'm not looking to be good. I don't want to be stuck in basketball purgatory. I want to be great. I don't think taking on multi year deals this year is the right way to do that. I want to build a legit contender.
meaning the Kings dont match, the Knicks is they stand pat would be the only team int he NBA with cap room going into the season.
That could be huge in middle of the season when teams need to dump salaries to try to make trades and being the only team available to take on salary dumps could get some big assets back . The best thing they can do right now outside of trading Randle , is just stand pat and be patient .
There are going to be oppurtinites to get maybe more then 1 1st round pick in these salary dumps when teams get desperate during the season to improve their team . Much better option then throwing out another pointless contract for a mediocre vet that accomplishes nothing .
Cade will play on ESPN Wednesday at 4 pm vs. Utah. Check it out Knicks fans. Knicks’ free-agency flop means tank is on for Cade Cunningham - ( New Window )
Just for us to lose the Lottery again...
BTW, we re-signed Theo Pinson to a two-way deal
Yeah I think I'm gonna let Leon Rose infiltrate my franchise
Beer brought up an interesting point. If the Hawks really do sign Bogdonavich, they may make Huerter and/or Reddish available for somewhat of a discount. I'd take a flier on either of them for cheap, especially Huerter
I couldn’t find anything updated on him. Too much talent to not take a shot.
Why would the knicks take a flyer on a young guy ? They have more mediocre Vets to sign to try to squeeze out a few more meaningless wins and ruin the development of the young players on the team in the process and the draft positioning as well .
Only properly run organizations would make a move like that
I couldn’t find anything updated on him. Too much talent to not take a shot.
Why would the knicks take a flyer on a young guy ? They have more mediocre Vets to sign to try to squeeze out a few more meaningless wins and ruin the development of the young players on the team in the process and the draft positioning as well .
Only properly run organizations would make a move like that
It doesnt matter if you lose every game, you are not guaranteed to win thr lottery..They tanked perfectly for Zion and still didnt get him..
New rules just losing on purpose doesnt work..
Let the young players play if younlose great, if you win great..
I couldn’t find anything updated on him. Too much talent to not take a shot.
Why would the knicks take a flyer on a young guy ? They have more mediocre Vets to sign to try to squeeze out a few more meaningless wins and ruin the development of the young players on the team in the process and the draft positioning as well .
Only properly run organizations would make a move like that
It doesnt matter if you lose every game, you are not guaranteed to win thr lottery..They tanked perfectly for Zion and still didnt get him..
New rules just losing on purpose doesnt work..
Let the young players play if younlose great, if you win great..
Yeah i agree . I have no issue if the knicks were winning games with RJ, Obi, Mitch leading the charge but last year it was the Morris, Randle, Payton, Taj gibson show while RJ had to sit in the corner getting frozen out and Mitch came off the bench a lot of games .
This year they are setting up a repeat of the Randle/Payton show instead of letting the young guys be the priority. Those 2 are literally the worst pieces you can out around your young guys to help them grow and improve their games.
They are selfish players looking for their next paycheck, they cant shoot so they kill spacing, and they freeze out the young guys on the court . the Knicks should be doing everything to build around their youth instead of hurting their development
The Knicks have emerged as a potential trade partner for the Lakers in a JaVale McGee deal, league sources say, as LA explores its various options
If talks progress, New York would surely require at least one additional asset from the Lakers to take McGee into salary-cap space
IF the Knicks stay patient they can gain so many assets doing this through the season. They are literally the only team who have capspace now . No more signing FA
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Would Burks start?
Either him or bullock as of right now i guess
Hoping we see growth from the young guys, get one more high pick in a much better draft, and make a move in what should be a better FA class.
Also, they're not tanking. Why hire Thibs in his dream job and ask him to tank. They won't win many games, but that won't on purpose.
He needs to come off the bench, he can be the bench scoring
Totally agree. Need to let the young players sink or swim. But without question they are entering the year with the worst roster in the league.
Any news on Bogdan? Or throwing a loaded poisoned offer at Ingram? Hopefully they can help execute a trade with the cap space and get a pick
in season.
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Or is it? I'm cool with this, but is Thibs? I still have this feeling Rose and Wes will wait for Houston to blink with Russ.
Honestly I think thats the plan. No way Rose and co came here to add this pile of shmeg and call it a day.
I think you give them too much credit.
They thought they could walk in and because it was Rose and company attract top talent.
I don't believe there was a plan past that and I am afraid they will get desperate once the L's build up and Fans get restless.
And here comes Westbrook or worse Wall.
Just stop. What top talent did you think Rose and company thought they could attract but didn’t? This FA class was shit and reports are they never made an offfer to VanVleet. They had interest in Hayward but there’s no way they were planning on giving him the contract Charlotte did. If they did they should all be fired on the spot. So again, what “top talent” do you think they thought was a lock because of who they are and got shot down by? They did the right thing and passed on giving average players elite money.
just admit it, YOU wanted them to sign top talent. Whether that actually existed isn’t important I guess...
I wanted VanVleet and Christian Wood both under 26 and hitting their prime.
But my point is I don't think there is a cohesive rebuild going on.
If Toppin turns out to be and all-star that can lift a team I will admit I am wrong.
After only hitting on Morris in FA last year that turned into a pick.
This year it looks like they made no effort to go after any of the good young talent available.
They could have used the cap space to add salary for picks but failed there also.
All I am saying I have zero confidence in this front office and believe they are over their heads and have done nothing to show me different.
I am more then fine giving Frank and even Smith Jr. 25-30 mins a night as a final chance to see what they have. I am very bullish on Frank showing significant improvement this year, not sure about smith jr. I think it’s mostly mental with him and maybe good coaching can help that, but ultimately he probably gets traded. I think Payton is signed because he is a pretty good distributor and can help in the starting line up, but I would expect he only sees 15-20 mins a night.
My ideal rotation:
PG - Payton/Frank
SG - Burks/quickly/Bullock
SF - Barrett/Iggy
PF - Toppin/Knox
C - Mitch/Noels
Alec Burks - shot 41 percent from 3, 46 percent overall, 1 year 6 million - can give solid mins every night and can def get another 2nd rounder at trade deadline for a contender
Norlen Noel’s - still only 26, while I think we know he isn’t going to be a superstar, he def showed significant improvement last year. Scores very efficiently and plays very good defense, he will be a good backup center and is worthy of a 1 year look.
Not sure why bullock was picked up, maybe for future trade bait. I am assuming Ed Davis and Randle are def traded before the beginnng of the year.
As long as these guys play hard I am fine with a 15-20 win season if the young guys are improving and getting bigger minutes. We have assets to make a big trade, hopefully bradley Beale and we will have a very high lottery pick in a stacked draft. Additionally with Porzingis starting the year not playing and the West being so deep, it’s not impossible for that Dallas pick to fall into the lottery. That’s how deep te west is although the kla thompson injury hurts GS chances.
Frank as the starter works better, put the ball in RJs hands and let him work with Toppin
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Or is it? I'm cool with this, but is Thibs? I still have this feeling Rose and Wes will wait for Houston to blink with Russ.
Honestly I think thats the plan. No way Rose and co came here to add this pile of shmeg and call it a day.
I think you give them too much credit.
They thought they could walk in and because it was Rose and company attract top talent.
I don't believe there was a plan past that and I am afraid they will get desperate once the L's build up and Fans get restless.
And here comes Westbrook or worse Wall.
Just stop. What top talent did you think Rose and company thought they could attract but didn’t? This FA class was shit and reports are they never made an offfer to VanVleet. They had interest in Hayward but there’s no way they were planning on giving him the contract Charlotte did. If they did they should all be fired on the spot. So again, what “top talent” do you think they thought was a lock because of who they are and got shot down by? They did the right thing and passed on giving average players elite money.
just admit it, YOU wanted them to sign top talent. Whether that actually existed isn’t important I guess...
I wanted VanVleet and Christian Wood both under 26 and hitting their prime.
But my point is I don't think there is a cohesive rebuild going on.
If Toppin turns out to be and all-star that can lift a team I will admit I am wrong.
After only hitting on Morris in FA last year that turned into a pick.
This year it looks like they made no effort to go after any of the good young talent available.
They could have used the cap space to add salary for picks but failed there also.
All I am saying I have zero confidence in this front office and believe they are over their heads and have done nothing to show me different.
Please point out where they failed at taking on salary to add picks. You are completely missing the picture here. Why the fuck would we take on multiple years of a bad contract for picks when those picks will be sure to suck instead of keeping our cap space open for next offseason? Imo, your plan would have been fine LAST year. This year it is out of the question to clog up our cap space for the 2021 FAs.
Apparently Giannis and Bogdan are close, which also can't hurt anything.
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Or is it? I'm cool with this, but is Thibs? I still have this feeling Rose and Wes will wait for Houston to blink with Russ.
Honestly I think thats the plan. No way Rose and co came here to add this pile of shmeg and call it a day.
I think you give them too much credit.
They thought they could walk in and because it was Rose and company attract top talent.
I don't believe there was a plan past that and I am afraid they will get desperate once the L's build up and Fans get restless.
And here comes Westbrook or worse Wall.
Just stop. What top talent did you think Rose and company thought they could attract but didn’t? This FA class was shit and reports are they never made an offfer to VanVleet. They had interest in Hayward but there’s no way they were planning on giving him the contract Charlotte did. If they did they should all be fired on the spot. So again, what “top talent” do you think they thought was a lock because of who they are and got shot down by? They did the right thing and passed on giving average players elite money.
just admit it, YOU wanted them to sign top talent. Whether that actually existed isn’t important I guess...
I wanted VanVleet and Christian Wood both under 26 and hitting their prime.
But my point is I don't think there is a cohesive rebuild going on.
If Toppin turns out to be and all-star that can lift a team I will admit I am wrong.
After only hitting on Morris in FA last year that turned into a pick.
This year it looks like they made no effort to go after any of the good young talent available.
They could have used the cap space to add salary for picks but failed there also.
All I am saying I have zero confidence in this front office and believe they are over their heads and have done nothing to show me different.
Please point out where they failed at taking on salary to add picks. You are completely missing the picture here. Why the fuck would we take on multiple years of a bad contract for picks when those picks will be sure to suck instead of keeping our cap space open for next offseason? Imo, your plan would have been fine LAST year. This year it is out of the question to clog up our cap space for the 2021 FAs.
I am saying they never use the cap space correctly and we either kick it down the road for the next big year or sign mid tier players with little upside.
The next FA big year is not coming for the Knicks until they get some young viable talent.
Which I am not confident Rose and company are qualified to choose either in FA or the draft.
I would be focused on trying to get another pick in the draft rather then free agency.
I would be focused on trying to get another pick in the draft rather then free agency.
It's a year away so why would we have a list if who specifically we are focused on and even if we did why would that be public? You still haven't answered my question of how this team fucked up by missing out on contracts dumped.
When the FA players are better you'll have more options for dumps. Anything you are complaining about this year can be done next year which would give us a better payout to take in contracts. You are being irrational and emotional about the Knicks actions so far.
I would be focused on trying to get another pick in the draft rather then free agency.
It's really top heavy. Giannis, probably Kawhi, Paul George, and Lebron. Then there's a decent sized second tier with Oladipo, Gobert, Jrue Holiday, Lowry.
The real prize is Giannis who is still only 25. Tough to see any of the others in the top group leaving (pending what happens with LAC this year), and Giannis might not either.
Very true.
I was not a fan of the Rose hire and the Tibs hire so maybe I am projecting the past failures but last 2 off season have shown more of the same.
Listen I am not going anywhere and will still root and watch.
Hopefully these kids surprise and something breaks right.
I think they should make a run at Bogdan. Perhaps there is still a team looking to shed a bit of salary due to luxury or cap, and we can pick up a small asset.
Overall im fine with this offseason
Knicks’ free-agency flop means tank is on for Cade Cunningham - ( New Window )
Not a FVV fan at all, at 20M+ per. Would've liked them to roll the dice on RJ Hampton, maybe Quickley would've been available at 33.
I've got no problem with their approach this offseason. Just don't fuck it up now and add Westbrook/Wall.
Need ping pong ball luck, and progression from the young guys now.
PG - Payton/Frank
SG - Burks/quickly/Bullock
SF - Barrett/Iggy
PF - Toppin/Knox
C - Mitch/Noels"
As Carl pointed out, that rotation doesn't include Randle. He'll play over Iggy and maybe over Knox as well.
Thibs - CAA
Toppin - CAA
Quickley - Kentucky
Noel - Kentucky
Burks - Utah
Even Payton who is a familiar face is repped by CAA
Obviously there is a big trend with CAA/Kentucky, and Randle happens to have both of those ties. Clearly we all want to see him gone, it is probably in the best interest of developing the young guys on the team, but it seems to go against everything that this new FO has done thus far.
Cunningham is very good.
Not that I care because the NCAA is the height of hypocrisy and phoniness, but how they allow the obvious quid pro quo with Boynton hiring Cunningham’s brother to be his assistant at Oak St is really laugh out loud stuff...
I know RJ can't shoot, but I feel he can take SG's down in the post better than he can break down opposing SF's. We have more front court players anyway. Try him at SG. I like Burks coming out of college, but he hasn't done much as a pro.
Thibs - CAA
Toppin - CAA
Quickley - Kentucky
Noel - Kentucky
Burks - Utah
Even Payton who is a familiar face is repped by CAA
Obviously there is a big trend with CAA/Kentucky, and Randle happens to have both of those ties. Clearly we all want to see him gone, it is probably in the best interest of developing the young guys on the team, but it seems to go against everything that this new FO has done thus far.
you realize half the NBA is repped by CAA right?
I would agree. From what I've seen at this level, he looks like hot garbage to me.
And I can't imagine Thibs, and Dolan, being down with 'Tank 4 Cade'. Not after all the disasters we've had in the past couple of years. I still think the FO will be looking to upgrade the 1 at some point, this season.
Love what the Hawks have done.
Should be a fun team to watch.
Gallinari
Rondo
Bogdanovic
Dunn.
Brought in 2 solid vets to a young team.
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I keep seeing this everywhere so I have to ask. Who exactlly are the Knicks targeting in 2021 free agency?
I would be focused on trying to get another pick in the draft rather then free agency.
It's a year away so why would we have a list if who specifically we are focused on and even if we did why would that be public? You still haven't answered my question of how this team fucked up by missing out on contracts dumped.
When the FA players are better you'll have more options for dumps. Anything you are complaining about this year can be done next year which would give us a better payout to take in contracts. You are being irrational and emotional about the Knicks actions so far.
Sorry to keep you waiting... I would have been involved in the Horford and Ariza trades. And just because a trade didn't occur doesn't mean it wasn't possible. I would venture to guess a top GM could have used this cap room to acquire some assets. I guarantee there was a deal with Charlotte possible for them to get off the Batum contract.
Tons of writers, analysts and fans keep pointing to this big 2021 free agent class. So who exactly do they have a shot at? I just don't see any plausible scenario where the top guys even consider the Knicks next summer.
So your reasoning is that because next years class is better there will be more options for dumps? Explain to me why you can't do it this year and next? They don't have anyone on the books next year for big money...
If their strategy is to tank this year and go young- then fine I'm good with that. But at least go all in with that and don't half measure it. "Cap flexibility" does absolutely nothing unless you use it to your advantage.
I have also said that we need to be more attractive to FA and winning is part of that. I get it. I just view our path to being a legit contender different. I'm not looking to be good. I don't want to be stuck in basketball purgatory. I want to be great. I don't think taking on multi year deals this year is the right way to do that. I want to build a legit contender.
That could be huge in middle of the season when teams need to dump salaries to try to make trades and being the only team available to take on salary dumps could get some big assets back . The best thing they can do right now outside of trading Randle , is just stand pat and be patient .
There are going to be oppurtinites to get maybe more then 1 1st round pick in these salary dumps when teams get desperate during the season to improve their team . Much better option then throwing out another pointless contract for a mediocre vet that accomplishes nothing .
4/72
Just for us to lose the Lottery again...
BTW, we re-signed Theo Pinson to a two-way deal
One-year deal with Portland
Why would the knicks take a flyer on a young guy ? They have more mediocre Vets to sign to try to squeeze out a few more meaningless wins and ruin the development of the young players on the team in the process and the draft positioning as well .
Only properly run organizations would make a move like that
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I couldn’t find anything updated on him. Too much talent to not take a shot.
Why would the knicks take a flyer on a young guy ? They have more mediocre Vets to sign to try to squeeze out a few more meaningless wins and ruin the development of the young players on the team in the process and the draft positioning as well .
Only properly run organizations would make a move like that
It doesnt matter if you lose every game, you are not guaranteed to win thr lottery..They tanked perfectly for Zion and still didnt get him..
New rules just losing on purpose doesnt work..
Let the young players play if younlose great, if you win great..
If talks progress, New York would surely require at least one additional asset from the Lakers to take McGee into salary-cap space
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In comment 15053824 Carl in CT said:
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I couldn’t find anything updated on him. Too much talent to not take a shot.
Why would the knicks take a flyer on a young guy ? They have more mediocre Vets to sign to try to squeeze out a few more meaningless wins and ruin the development of the young players on the team in the process and the draft positioning as well .
Only properly run organizations would make a move like that
It doesnt matter if you lose every game, you are not guaranteed to win thr lottery..They tanked perfectly for Zion and still didnt get him..
New rules just losing on purpose doesnt work..
Let the young players play if younlose great, if you win great..
Yeah i agree . I have no issue if the knicks were winning games with RJ, Obi, Mitch leading the charge but last year it was the Morris, Randle, Payton, Taj gibson show while RJ had to sit in the corner getting frozen out and Mitch came off the bench a lot of games .
This year they are setting up a repeat of the Randle/Payton show instead of letting the young guys be the priority. Those 2 are literally the worst pieces you can out around your young guys to help them grow and improve their games.
They are selfish players looking for their next paycheck, they cant shoot so they kill spacing, and they freeze out the young guys on the court . the Knicks should be doing everything to build around their youth instead of hurting their development
If talks progress, New York would surely require at least one additional asset from the Lakers to take McGee into salary-cap space
IF the Knicks stay patient they can gain so many assets doing this through the season. They are literally the only team who have capspace now . No more signing FA
If talks progress, New York would surely require at least one additional asset from the Lakers to take McGee into salary-cap space
Haha. McGee has the talent of a top pick and the basketball IQ of a 5 year old.