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Three more Giants players have tested positive for COVID-19

Anakim : 11/20/2020 10:06 am
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Good time for  
JB_in_DC : 11/20/2020 10:56 am : link
VXX calls
Peart, Kaden Smith and Pettis  
Everyone Relax : 11/20/2020 10:57 am : link
Could have been worse I suppose?
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OT Peart TE Smith and WR Pettis  
GiantsRage2007 : 11/20/2020 10:58 am : link
according to R Vacchiano
That sucks  
CMicks3110 : 11/20/2020 11:02 am : link
i waas hoping Peart would start
Peart? Dammit.  
Greg from LI : 11/20/2020 11:02 am : link
Really was hoping to see him push Fleming out of the starting lineup.
RE: Peart, Kaden Smith and Pettis  
Spider43 : 11/20/2020 11:03 am : link
In comment 15052134 Everyone Relax said:
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Could have been worse I suppose? Link - ( New Window )


Uh, let's wait and see if it spreads? Peart is a big hit, IMO.
RE: RE: Peart, Kaden Smith and Pettis  
Everyone Relax : 11/20/2020 11:06 am : link
In comment 15052145 Spider43 said:
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In comment 15052134 Everyone Relax said:


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Could have been worse I suppose? Link - ( New Window )



Uh, let's wait and see if it spreads? Peart is a big hit, IMO.

Yeah obviously not ideal and still TBD on where else it spreads, but if you hear 3 players are going to be sidelined for 1 game and it turns out to be a backup OL, 2nd TE and #4/5 WR, it could have been much worse.
Covid is going to be the equalizer.  
AnnapolisMike : 11/20/2020 11:07 am : link
teams that can stay healthy are going to be in better shape.
Fuck Covid and his fucking mother  
adamg : 11/20/2020 11:09 am : link
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RE: Covid is going to be the equalizer.  
Spider43 : 11/20/2020 11:10 am : link
In comment 15052152 AnnapolisMike said:
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teams that can stay healthy are going to be in better shape.


Unfortunately, like I thought way back when, this season might boil down to luck, more than anything else. The best teams may not get the breaks, because of COVID.
Peart  
UConn4523 : 11/20/2020 11:19 am : link
being one of them really sucks
I have been pleasantly surprised  
DonQuixote : 11/20/2020 11:27 am : link
how few players have been affected and how few games have been interrupted.

I hope these players are OK, and secondarily hope the Giants can continue to play,.
Pettis - LOL  
PatersonPlank : 11/20/2020 11:28 am : link
Just got here
Judge’s focus  
gary_from_chester : 11/20/2020 11:30 am : link
On rotating players into games and on learning/playing multiple positions will be helpful as we deal with Covid impacts.
RE: Pettis - LOL  
LBH15 : 11/20/2020 11:30 am : link
In comment 15052178 PatersonPlank said:
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Just got here


prime suspect
So  
SLIM_ : 11/20/2020 11:37 am : link
how many players need to get on the COVID list before the game is postponed?

RE: Peart  
moze1021 : 11/20/2020 12:01 pm : link
In comment 15052171 UConn4523 said:
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being one of them really sucks


Especially since he misses the first 1-2 weeks with a brand new position coach!
RE: So  
cokeduplt : 11/20/2020 12:04 pm : link
In comment 15052195 SLIM_ said:
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how many players need to get on the COVID list before the game is postponed?



What game, we’re on bye? I’m sure everyone will be fine by next sunday
Wow  
5BowlsSoon : 11/20/2020 12:06 pm : link
6 now....and climbing.....when, if any, would they postpone the game and reschedule it?
RE: Wow  
Toth029 : 11/20/2020 12:25 pm : link
In comment 15052228 5BowlsSoon said:
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6 now....and climbing.....when, if any, would they postpone the game and reschedule it?

What? Six?

Gano, Peart, Smith, and Pettis. And the timing of Gano's test makes him likely to be able to play vs. the Bengals.
Damn I knew we got way too lucky with essentially only  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/20/2020 12:28 pm : link
reserves getting it. Have to think the odds are 1 or 2 those new ones are starters.
He probably meant  
Spider43 : 11/20/2020 12:28 pm : link
Hernandez and an earlier positive. Either way, we'll need to keep monitoring things to see if this snowballs.
RE: RE: So  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/20/2020 12:28 pm : link
In comment 15052227 cokeduplt said:
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how many players need to get on the COVID list before the game is postponed?





What game, we’re on bye? I’m sure everyone will be fine by next sunday


Everyone testing positive today isn't eligible to return.
RE: He probably meant  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/20/2020 12:31 pm : link
In comment 15052242 Spider43 said:
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Hernandez and an earlier positive. Either way, we'll need to keep monitoring things to see if this snowballs.


Yeh I'm seeing that now. Why the hell would you include the ones already over it. How is that pertinent to this at all?
RE: Wow  
section125 : 11/20/2020 12:31 pm : link
In comment 15052228 5BowlsSoon said:
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6 now....and climbing.....when, if any, would they postpone the game and reschedule it?


Wonder if this is a run of bad tests?
Umm don’t think so  
Dave on the UWS : 11/20/2020 12:36 pm : link
They are getting the “premium” tests- since we know the NFL is so much more important than average citizens.
RE: Umm don’t think so  
section125 : 11/20/2020 12:37 pm : link
In comment 15052248 Dave on the UWS said:
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They are getting the “premium” tests- since we know the NFL is so much more important than average citizens.


Oh yeah, right.....
RE: RE: RE: So  
cokeduplt : 11/20/2020 12:40 pm : link
In comment 15052243 Zeke's Alibi said:
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how many players need to get on the COVID list before the game is postponed?





What game, we’re on bye? I’m sure everyone will be fine by next sunday



Everyone testing positive today isn't eligible to return.






Really? That seems ridiculous
re: 6 positives  
giants#1 : 11/20/2020 12:42 pm : link
He could just be including Dixon and Kreiter, who were quarantined when Gano tested positive, but I don't believe they've tested positive (yet).
People should think not about  
Bob from Massachusetts : 11/20/2020 12:54 pm : link
these specific players but rather who THESE players may have been in contact with. Were they communicative at the time of the last game (hopefully not, but not for sure) and who have they been in close contact with this week (walkthroughs, etc). This could be VERY problematic and strict isolation for everyone will be critical before the Wednesday practice next week. I would have to expect they will cancel the Monday practice
It depends on whether they have symptoms or not  
Chris684 : 11/20/2020 12:59 pm : link
If it's an asymptomatic case these are the return guidelines:

10 days have passed since the
initial positive test; OR
5 days have passed since the initial
positive test and receives two
consecutive negative PCR virus tests,
at least 24 hours apart, within
that 5-day period

If it's a symptomatic case:

At least 10 days have passed since
symptoms first appeared; AND
at least 72 hours have passed since
last experienced symptoms

In both cases you need to be cleared by team physician ultimately.

Based on this, Gano seems to be fine for next week either way. The ones testing positive today, availability for next week depends on whether they're symptomatic or not.


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RE: It depends on whether they have symptoms or not  
Matt M. : 11/20/2020 1:34 pm : link
In comment 15052268 Chris684 said:
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If it's an asymptomatic case these are the return guidelines:

10 days have passed since the
initial positive test; OR
5 days have passed since the initial
positive test and receives two
consecutive negative PCR virus tests,
at least 24 hours apart, within
that 5-day period

If it's a symptomatic case:

At least 10 days have passed since
symptoms first appeared; AND
at least 72 hours have passed since
last experienced symptoms

In both cases you need to be cleared by team physician ultimately.

Based on this, Gano seems to be fine for next week either way. The ones testing positive today, availability for next week depends on whether they're symptomatic or not.
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Basedd on this Gano is not fine. He is eligible, timing wise, to meet the conditions to play next week. He is fine, when those conditions are actually met.
Peart is a big loss.  
Matt M. : 11/20/2020 1:38 pm : link
Many here were hoping the 2 weeks of practice would get him in the starting lineup next week. Besides that now being impossible, he is missing critical practice time with the new coach and we will be without our normal backup OT.

The other 2 players are not a big hit, but I hope they all recover fully.

I think we too easily dismiss the potential impact on these guys just because they are athletes. First of all, look at how many OL and DL are overweight, even if in great shape for their weight. Second, how many guys are taxing their livers and/or other organs with PEDs and/or supplements? This could have an impact. Lastly, even a mild case can linger for weeks and affect breathing. Look Hernandez missed 2 weeks and was not ready to start in the 3rd, even though he was active.
RE: RE: Wow  
5BowlsSoon : 11/20/2020 1:42 pm : link
In comment 15052239 Toth029 said:
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6 now....and climbing.....when, if any, would they postpone the game and reschedule it?


What? Six?

Gano, Peart, Smith, and Pettis. And the timing of Gano's test makes him likely to be able to play vs. the Bengals.


Kreier and Dixon in protocol also
Also, I didn't see a mention of whether any of these guys were  
Matt M. : 11/20/2020 1:47 pm : link
asymptomatic, which would potentially make them eligible next week.
RE: Peart is a big loss.  
TJ : 11/20/2020 2:48 pm : link
In comment 15052295 Matt M. said:
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I think we too easily dismiss the potential impact on these guys just because they are athletes. First of all, look at how many OL and DL are overweight, even if in great shape for their weight. Second, how many guys are taxing their livers and/or other organs with PEDs and/or supplements? This could have an impact. Lastly, even a mild case can linger for weeks and affect breathing. Look Hernandez missed 2 weeks and was not ready to start in the 3rd, even though he was active.


This. I believe there is evidence that ~16.5% of college athletes show evidence of myocarditis in MRI after covid infection. All the athletes with bad mri were male so the percentage among male athletes is likely double. Small study though.
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RE: Also, I didn't see a mention of whether any of these guys were  
Anakim : 11/20/2020 3:21 pm : link
In comment 15052309 Matt M. said:
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asymptomatic, which would potentially make them eligible next week.


They could still transfer the virus to other players
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section125 : 11/20/2020 3:23 pm : link
In comment 15052438 Anakim said:
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asymptomatic, which would potentially make them eligible next week.



They could still transfer the virus to other players


Yep...
RE: RE: Peart is a big loss.  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/20/2020 3:46 pm : link
In comment 15052376 TJ said:
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I think we too easily dismiss the potential impact on these guys just because they are athletes. First of all, look at how many OL and DL are overweight, even if in great shape for their weight. Second, how many guys are taxing their livers and/or other organs with PEDs and/or supplements? This could have an impact. Lastly, even a mild case can linger for weeks and affect breathing. Look Hernandez missed 2 weeks and was not ready to start in the 3rd, even though he was active.



This. I believe there is evidence that ~16.5% of college athletes show evidence of myocarditis in MRI after covid infection. All the athletes with bad mri were male so the percentage among male athletes is likely double. Small study though. JAMA - ( New Window )


So does the flu and the common cold. This isn't unusual.
there should be a new designation for threads like this such as “NMT”,  
plato : 11/20/2020 4:10 pm : link
for “non medical thread”
No symptoms  
chiro56 : 11/20/2020 4:21 pm : link
Your not sick
RE: RE: Infection rates are soaring in the general population.  
81_Great_Dane : 11/20/2020 4:42 pm : link
In comment 15052111 Greg from LI said:
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it's going to be hard for NFL players to avoid exposure and infection when the virus is kind of everywhere.

So far, as far as we know, no players have had their careers impacted long-term. But if enough guys get it, the odds are someone is going to get very sick and/or end up with lingering effects.



I mean, that's possible, but these are young men in terrific physical condition. Their chances of getting gravely ill from it are a good bit lower than the gen pop.
It's a numbers game. The chances of any one guy getting gravely ill are small. The chances of one guy in a pool getting severe symptoms is higher. The bigger the pool, the bigger the chances of a severe illness in that pool.

Note also that a lot of NFL linemen are clinically obese, conditioning notwithstanding. Plus, youth is protective, but not 100% so. Young, fit people are getting sick. Also, some younger people who never have short-term symptoms are showing long-term effects. It's complicated.
RE: Damn I knew we got way too lucky with essentially only  
JohnnyFlowers : 11/20/2020 10:33 pm : link
In comment 15052241 Zeke's Alibi said:
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reserves getting it. Have to think the odds are 1 or 2 those new ones are starters.


Will was out at LG for a few games. He was/is a starter.
These protocols are all over the place  
SomeFan : 11/21/2020 8:28 am : link
My sister in law is a home healthcare nurse. She got covid from a patient. The protocol was one negative test and three days no fever and you’re back working.
Based on the NFL  
SomeFan : 11/21/2020 8:49 am : link
There have to be a huge number who have symptomless Covid I the overall population.
RE: RE: RE: Peart is a big loss.  
ColHowPepper : 11/21/2020 9:41 am : link
In comment 15052470 Zeke's Alibi said:
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In comment 15052376 TJ said:
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I think we too easily dismiss the potential impact on these guys just because they are athletes. First of all, look at how many OL and DL are overweight, even if in great shape for their weight. Second, how many guys are taxing their livers and/or other organs with PEDs and/or supplements? This could have an impact. Lastly, even a mild case can linger for weeks and affect breathing. Look Hernandez missed 2 weeks and was not ready to start in the 3rd, even though he was active////////////

This. I believe there is evidence that ~16.5% of college athletes show evidence of myocarditis in MRI after covid infection. All the athletes with bad mri were male so the percentage among male athletes is likely double. Small study though. JAMA ////////////

So does the flu and the common cold. This isn't unusual.
Zeke, I'm not sure what you're saying, exactly, buy myocarditis is not a typical sequelae or aftermath of flu or common cold. It is a serious cardio condition and fairly early identified in this pandemic as a factor that stamped covid as dangerous even for those who had only mild symptoms or survived the worst.

JAMA Study is small numbers, so I don't think anyone would confidently certify the 16.5% figure, but bottom line is you don't want anyone to contract it. Still early days in understanding the aftermaths.
Col I remember reading something like this before, something like  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/21/2020 10:00 am : link
approximately 5% of people that get the flu will suffer from acute myocarditis. Obviously 15% is a higher rate, but it isn’t like it’s unusual after illness
Zeke,  
ColHowPepper : 11/21/2020 10:59 am : link
Haven't heard that at all, but doesn't mean you're not on to something. It kind of sounded like, back when covid first reared its ugly spike, a 'it's just another flu' comment. I've got some folks I can ask, including one senior Clinical Professor and practitioner (in circulatory and CV) I can ask: he's a volunteer patient in the Moderna vaccine trial.
RE: Col I remember reading something like this before, something like  
SomeFan : 11/21/2020 2:12 pm : link
In comment 15052900 Zeke's Alibi said:
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approximately 5% of people that get the flu will suffer from acute myocarditis. Obviously 15% is a higher rate, but it isn’t like it’s unusual after illness


This is correct, common cold, flu, mono, all can do this.
This  
SomeFan : 11/21/2020 2:18 pm : link
looks like a good explanation.
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