Zack Rosenblatt
@ZackBlatt
Three #Giants players tested positive for COVID-19 last night.
Makes it unlikely they’ll be available to play in Week 12, as 10 days from now puts them back (if all goes smoothly) the day after the game on Nov. 29.
...the team can't follow basic quarantine rules. Literally impossible with the amount of physical interaction the players have with one another, with trainers and staff.
A person in front office or management is one thing - players, coaches, trainers? Eesh.
If 3 have it, save bet that number jumps to 10 with the quickness.
the special teams was the origin of the outbreak, I'll bet it's the up-backs and gunners on special teams since they are closest to the kicker and punter.
Maybe I have that wrong, but it seems like this has been very inconsistent. Don't see why they wouldn't be able to play 10 days from now.
From PFT's article on Gmen:
The three new positives may have to miss the game based on when their test was taken as 10 days of isolation are typically required for players after a positive test.
the special teams was the origin of the outbreak, I'll bet it's the up-backs and gunners on special teams since they are closest to the kicker and punter.
What about the return guys, like Peppers and Lewis?
the special teams was the origin of the outbreak, I'll bet it's the up-backs and gunners on special teams since they are closest to the kicker and punter.
What about the return guys, like Peppers and Lewis?
sure, they certainly have the most direct interaction too.
it's going to be hard for NFL players to avoid exposure and infection when the virus is kind of everywhere.
So far, as far as we know, no players have had their careers impacted long-term. But if enough guys get it, the odds are someone is going to get very sick and/or end up with lingering effects.
RE: Infection rates are soaring in the general population.
it's going to be hard for NFL players to avoid exposure and infection when the virus is kind of everywhere.
So far, as far as we know, no players have had their careers impacted long-term. But if enough guys get it, the odds are someone is going to get very sick and/or end up with lingering effects.
I mean, that's possible, but these are young men in terrific physical condition. Their chances of getting gravely ill from it are a good bit lower than the gen pop.
Could have been worse I suppose? Link - ( New Window )
Uh, let's wait and see if it spreads? Peart is a big hit, IMO.
Yeah obviously not ideal and still TBD on where else it spreads, but if you hear 3 players are going to be sidelined for 1 game and it turns out to be a backup OL, 2nd TE and #4/5 WR, it could have been much worse.
teams that can stay healthy are going to be in better shape.
Unfortunately, like I thought way back when, this season might boil down to luck, more than anything else. The best teams may not get the breaks, because of COVID.
these specific players but rather who THESE players may have been in contact with. Were they communicative at the time of the last game (hopefully not, but not for sure) and who have they been in close contact with this week (walkthroughs, etc). This could be VERY problematic and strict isolation for everyone will be critical before the Wednesday practice next week. I would have to expect they will cancel the Monday practice
If it's an asymptomatic case these are the return guidelines:
10 days have passed since the
initial positive test; OR
5 days have passed since the initial
positive test and receives two
consecutive negative PCR virus tests,
at least 24 hours apart, within
that 5-day period
If it's a symptomatic case:
At least 10 days have passed since
symptoms first appeared; AND
at least 72 hours have passed since
last experienced symptoms
In both cases you need to be cleared by team physician ultimately.
Based on this, Gano seems to be fine for next week either way. The ones testing positive today, availability for next week depends on whether they're symptomatic or not.
If it's an asymptomatic case these are the return guidelines:
10 days have passed since the
initial positive test; OR
5 days have passed since the initial
positive test and receives two
consecutive negative PCR virus tests,
at least 24 hours apart, within
that 5-day period
If it's a symptomatic case:
At least 10 days have passed since
symptoms first appeared; AND
at least 72 hours have passed since
last experienced symptoms
In both cases you need to be cleared by team physician ultimately.
Based on this, Gano seems to be fine for next week either way. The ones testing positive today, availability for next week depends on whether they're symptomatic or not.
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Basedd on this Gano is not fine. He is eligible, timing wise, to meet the conditions to play next week. He is fine, when those conditions are actually met.
Many here were hoping the 2 weeks of practice would get him in the starting lineup next week. Besides that now being impossible, he is missing critical practice time with the new coach and we will be without our normal backup OT.
The other 2 players are not a big hit, but I hope they all recover fully.
I think we too easily dismiss the potential impact on these guys just because they are athletes. First of all, look at how many OL and DL are overweight, even if in great shape for their weight. Second, how many guys are taxing their livers and/or other organs with PEDs and/or supplements? This could have an impact. Lastly, even a mild case can linger for weeks and affect breathing. Look Hernandez missed 2 weeks and was not ready to start in the 3rd, even though he was active.
I think we too easily dismiss the potential impact on these guys just because they are athletes. First of all, look at how many OL and DL are overweight, even if in great shape for their weight. Second, how many guys are taxing their livers and/or other organs with PEDs and/or supplements? This could have an impact. Lastly, even a mild case can linger for weeks and affect breathing. Look Hernandez missed 2 weeks and was not ready to start in the 3rd, even though he was active.
This. I believe there is evidence that ~16.5% of college athletes show evidence of myocarditis in MRI after covid infection. All the athletes with bad mri were male so the percentage among male athletes is likely double. Small study though. JAMA - ( New Window )
RE: Also, I didn't see a mention of whether any of these guys were
I think we too easily dismiss the potential impact on these guys just because they are athletes. First of all, look at how many OL and DL are overweight, even if in great shape for their weight. Second, how many guys are taxing their livers and/or other organs with PEDs and/or supplements? This could have an impact. Lastly, even a mild case can linger for weeks and affect breathing. Look Hernandez missed 2 weeks and was not ready to start in the 3rd, even though he was active.
This. I believe there is evidence that ~16.5% of college athletes show evidence of myocarditis in MRI after covid infection. All the athletes with bad mri were male so the percentage among male athletes is likely double. Small study though. JAMA - ( New Window )
So does the flu and the common cold. This isn't unusual.
there should be a new designation for threads like this such as “NMT”,
it's going to be hard for NFL players to avoid exposure and infection when the virus is kind of everywhere.
So far, as far as we know, no players have had their careers impacted long-term. But if enough guys get it, the odds are someone is going to get very sick and/or end up with lingering effects.
I mean, that's possible, but these are young men in terrific physical condition. Their chances of getting gravely ill from it are a good bit lower than the gen pop.
It's a numbers game. The chances of any one guy getting gravely ill are small. The chances of one guy in a pool getting severe symptoms is higher. The bigger the pool, the bigger the chances of a severe illness in that pool.
Note also that a lot of NFL linemen are clinically obese, conditioning notwithstanding. Plus, youth is protective, but not 100% so. Young, fit people are getting sick. Also, some younger people who never have short-term symptoms are showing long-term effects. It's complicated.
RE: Damn I knew we got way too lucky with essentially only
My sister in law is a home healthcare nurse. She got covid from a patient. The protocol was one negative test and three days no fever and you’re back working.
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I think we too easily dismiss the potential impact on these guys just because they are athletes. First of all, look at how many OL and DL are overweight, even if in great shape for their weight. Second, how many guys are taxing their livers and/or other organs with PEDs and/or supplements? This could have an impact. Lastly, even a mild case can linger for weeks and affect breathing. Look Hernandez missed 2 weeks and was not ready to start in the 3rd, even though he was active////////////
This. I believe there is evidence that ~16.5% of college athletes show evidence of myocarditis in MRI after covid infection. All the athletes with bad mri were male so the percentage among male athletes is likely double. Small study though. JAMA ////////////
So does the flu and the common cold. This isn't unusual.
Zeke, I'm not sure what you're saying, exactly, buy myocarditis is not a typical sequelae or aftermath of flu or common cold. It is a serious cardio condition and fairly early identified in this pandemic as a factor that stamped covid as dangerous even for those who had only mild symptoms or survived the worst.
JAMA Study is small numbers, so I don't think anyone would confidently certify the 16.5% figure, but bottom line is you don't want anyone to contract it. Still early days in understanding the aftermaths.
Col I remember reading something like this before, something like
approximately 5% of people that get the flu will suffer from acute myocarditis. Obviously 15% is a higher rate, but it isn’t like it’s unusual after illness
Haven't heard that at all, but doesn't mean you're not on to something. It kind of sounded like, back when covid first reared its ugly spike, a 'it's just another flu' comment. I've got some folks I can ask, including one senior Clinical Professor and practitioner (in circulatory and CV) I can ask: he's a volunteer patient in the Moderna vaccine trial.
RE: Col I remember reading something like this before, something like
approximately 5% of people that get the flu will suffer from acute myocarditis. Obviously 15% is a higher rate, but it isn’t like it’s unusual after illness
This is correct, common cold, flu, mono, all can do this.
@ZackBlatt
Three #Giants players tested positive for COVID-19 last night.
Makes it unlikely they’ll be available to play in Week 12, as 10 days from now puts them back (if all goes smoothly) the day after the game on Nov. 29.
A person in front office or management is one thing - players, coaches, trainers? Eesh.
If 3 have it, save bet that number jumps to 10 with the quickness.
Best wishes for a speedy recovery for whoever it is, and safety for their families.
Best wishes for a speedy recovery for whoever it is, and safety for their families.
Gano already tested positive. It's three more.
Maybe I have that wrong, but it seems like this has been very inconsistent. Don't see why they wouldn't be able to play 10 days from now.
Maybe I have that wrong, but it seems like this has been very inconsistent. Don't see why they wouldn't be able to play 10 days from now.
Thought it was 3 days...
Maybe I have that wrong, but it seems like this has been very inconsistent. Don't see why they wouldn't be able to play 10 days from now.
From PFT's article on Gmen:
The three new positives may have to miss the game based on when their test was taken as 10 days of isolation are typically required for players after a positive test.
Did protocols change?
Did protocols change?
That is a good question. They have implemented their Intensive Covid Protocls now across the league due to the rising numbers.
What about the return guys, like Peppers and Lewis?
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the special teams was the origin of the outbreak, I'll bet it's the up-backs and gunners on special teams since they are closest to the kicker and punter.
What about the return guys, like Peppers and Lewis?
sure, they certainly have the most direct interaction too.
Dixon and Kreiter are not among the 3 new positive tests, according to Schwartz.
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So far, as far as we know, no players have had their careers impacted long-term. But if enough guys get it, the odds are someone is going to get very sick and/or end up with lingering effects.
So far, as far as we know, no players have had their careers impacted long-term. But if enough guys get it, the odds are someone is going to get very sick and/or end up with lingering effects.
I mean, that's possible, but these are young men in terrific physical condition. Their chances of getting gravely ill from it are a good bit lower than the gen pop.
Bad word choice for this thread :-)
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Man, just when I was feeling positive about this team.
Bad word choice for this thread :-)
He-he, well played.
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Uh, let's wait and see if it spreads? Peart is a big hit, IMO.
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Could have been worse I suppose? Link - ( New Window )
Uh, let's wait and see if it spreads? Peart is a big hit, IMO.
Yeah obviously not ideal and still TBD on where else it spreads, but if you hear 3 players are going to be sidelined for 1 game and it turns out to be a backup OL, 2nd TE and #4/5 WR, it could have been much worse.
Unfortunately, like I thought way back when, this season might boil down to luck, more than anything else. The best teams may not get the breaks, because of COVID.
I hope these players are OK, and secondarily hope the Giants can continue to play,.
prime suspect
Especially since he misses the first 1-2 weeks with a brand new position coach!
What game, we’re on bye? I’m sure everyone will be fine by next sunday
What? Six?
Gano, Peart, Smith, and Pettis. And the timing of Gano's test makes him likely to be able to play vs. the Bengals.
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how many players need to get on the COVID list before the game is postponed?
What game, we’re on bye? I’m sure everyone will be fine by next sunday
Everyone testing positive today isn't eligible to return.
Yeh I'm seeing that now. Why the hell would you include the ones already over it. How is that pertinent to this at all?
Wonder if this is a run of bad tests?
Oh yeah, right.....
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how many players need to get on the COVID list before the game is postponed?
What game, we’re on bye? I’m sure everyone will be fine by next sunday
Everyone testing positive today isn't eligible to return.
Really? That seems ridiculous
10 days have passed since the
initial positive test; OR
5 days have passed since the initial
positive test and receives two
consecutive negative PCR virus tests,
at least 24 hours apart, within
that 5-day period
If it's a symptomatic case:
At least 10 days have passed since
symptoms first appeared; AND
at least 72 hours have passed since
last experienced symptoms
In both cases you need to be cleared by team physician ultimately.
Based on this, Gano seems to be fine for next week either way. The ones testing positive today, availability for next week depends on whether they're symptomatic or not.
Link - ( New Window )
10 days have passed since the
initial positive test; OR
5 days have passed since the initial
positive test and receives two
consecutive negative PCR virus tests,
at least 24 hours apart, within
that 5-day period
If it's a symptomatic case:
At least 10 days have passed since
symptoms first appeared; AND
at least 72 hours have passed since
last experienced symptoms
In both cases you need to be cleared by team physician ultimately.
Based on this, Gano seems to be fine for next week either way. The ones testing positive today, availability for next week depends on whether they're symptomatic or not.
Link - ( New Window )
The other 2 players are not a big hit, but I hope they all recover fully.
I think we too easily dismiss the potential impact on these guys just because they are athletes. First of all, look at how many OL and DL are overweight, even if in great shape for their weight. Second, how many guys are taxing their livers and/or other organs with PEDs and/or supplements? This could have an impact. Lastly, even a mild case can linger for weeks and affect breathing. Look Hernandez missed 2 weeks and was not ready to start in the 3rd, even though he was active.
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6 now....and climbing.....when, if any, would they postpone the game and reschedule it?
What? Six?
Gano, Peart, Smith, and Pettis. And the timing of Gano's test makes him likely to be able to play vs. the Bengals.
Kreier and Dixon in protocol also
I think we too easily dismiss the potential impact on these guys just because they are athletes. First of all, look at how many OL and DL are overweight, even if in great shape for their weight. Second, how many guys are taxing their livers and/or other organs with PEDs and/or supplements? This could have an impact. Lastly, even a mild case can linger for weeks and affect breathing. Look Hernandez missed 2 weeks and was not ready to start in the 3rd, even though he was active.
This. I believe there is evidence that ~16.5% of college athletes show evidence of myocarditis in MRI after covid infection. All the athletes with bad mri were male so the percentage among male athletes is likely double. Small study though.
JAMA - ( New Window )
They could still transfer the virus to other players
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asymptomatic, which would potentially make them eligible next week.
They could still transfer the virus to other players
Yep...
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I think we too easily dismiss the potential impact on these guys just because they are athletes. First of all, look at how many OL and DL are overweight, even if in great shape for their weight. Second, how many guys are taxing their livers and/or other organs with PEDs and/or supplements? This could have an impact. Lastly, even a mild case can linger for weeks and affect breathing. Look Hernandez missed 2 weeks and was not ready to start in the 3rd, even though he was active.
This. I believe there is evidence that ~16.5% of college athletes show evidence of myocarditis in MRI after covid infection. All the athletes with bad mri were male so the percentage among male athletes is likely double. Small study though. JAMA - ( New Window )
So does the flu and the common cold. This isn't unusual.
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it's going to be hard for NFL players to avoid exposure and infection when the virus is kind of everywhere.
So far, as far as we know, no players have had their careers impacted long-term. But if enough guys get it, the odds are someone is going to get very sick and/or end up with lingering effects.
I mean, that's possible, but these are young men in terrific physical condition. Their chances of getting gravely ill from it are a good bit lower than the gen pop.
Note also that a lot of NFL linemen are clinically obese, conditioning notwithstanding. Plus, youth is protective, but not 100% so. Young, fit people are getting sick. Also, some younger people who never have short-term symptoms are showing long-term effects. It's complicated.
Will was out at LG for a few games. He was/is a starter.
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I think we too easily dismiss the potential impact on these guys just because they are athletes. First of all, look at how many OL and DL are overweight, even if in great shape for their weight. Second, how many guys are taxing their livers and/or other organs with PEDs and/or supplements? This could have an impact. Lastly, even a mild case can linger for weeks and affect breathing. Look Hernandez missed 2 weeks and was not ready to start in the 3rd, even though he was active////////////
This. I believe there is evidence that ~16.5% of college athletes show evidence of myocarditis in MRI after covid infection. All the athletes with bad mri were male so the percentage among male athletes is likely double. Small study though. JAMA ////////////
So does the flu and the common cold. This isn't unusual.
JAMA Study is small numbers, so I don't think anyone would confidently certify the 16.5% figure, but bottom line is you don't want anyone to contract it. Still early days in understanding the aftermaths.
This is correct, common cold, flu, mono, all can do this.
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