Hill was strong via the draft but lost almost every trade he made. Granted he had 2 weird ownership situations but when you talk up bringing in “the best” and then are blocked on Neander and Stearns, rejected by Forst and Chernoff and then settle for Hill... it’s a disappointment. Hopefully, they have an expanded list.
so Heck likely GM and TBD team president (any other names than Hill?)
Hill was strong via the draft but lost almost every trade he made. Granted he had 2 weird ownership situations but when you talk up bringing in “the best” and then are blocked on Neander and Stearns, rejected by Forst and Chernoff and then settle for Hill... it’s a disappointment. Hopefully, they have an expanded list.
Just want to note as a Marlins asshat from the Loria -- that there's no way to underestimate how much interference he was subject to. Just my impressions that David Samson makes Jeff Wilpon look like Joan Payson in terms of meddling in baseball ops.
I said, ownership certainly had an impact but you don’t hear people raving about Michael Hill like you do guys like Bloom, Neander, Chernoff, Forst, Stearns or even potential first timers like Naerhing and Ng etc. People weren’t saying the Marlins made a bad decision. You never really hear any buzz about Hill being a top available name either. If he’s the hire so be it but it has to be categorized as disappointing given the names they considered/wanted.
I said, ownership certainly had an impact but you don’t hear people raving about Michael Hill like you do guys like Bloom, Neander, Chernoff, Forst, Stearns or even potential first timers like Naerhing and Ng etc. People weren’t saying the Marlins made a bad decision. You never really hear any buzz about Hill being a top available name either. If he’s the hire so be it but it has to be categorized as disappointing given the names they considered/wanted.
Certainly agree. I was just adding first-hand color from my perspective. I'm amazed anyone hung in there for 10 years with that group and I'd always be viewing the trades made with a jaundiced eye as far as whether that represents his own valuation of the assets involved.
Hill has lost every trade. I like Hill and agree that ownership is the problem there.
Gallen was a terrible trade IMO, although Chisolm is TBD I am not a huge fan and would have kept the top of the rotation starter.
Realmuto is a FA now. They got Sixto Sanchez and Jorge Alfaro for him. Win for Marlins.
Stanton was a salary dump addition by subtraction.
Yelich trade was bad. Harrison, Brinson, Isan Diaz, and Yamamoto. But Yelich really didn't develop power until with the Brewers (career high 21 HRs with Marlins
Ozuna trade was a huge win. Marlins got Daniel Castano, Alcantara, and Gallen, as well as M. Sierra
I'm not saying there aren't better options out there, but I think you're being quite harsh on Hill. He was tasked with dumping any player than made any kind of salary, and through the draft and trades has the Marlins with a pretty decent collection of cheap talent.
Hill has lost every trade. I like Hill and agree that ownership is the problem there.
Gallen was a terrible trade IMO, although Chisolm is TBD I am not a huge fan and would have kept the top of the rotation starter.
Realmuto is a FA now. They got Sixto Sanchez and Jorge Alfaro for him. Win for Marlins.
Stanton was a salary dump addition by subtraction.
Yelich trade was bad. Harrison, Brinson, Isan Diaz, and Yamamoto. But Yelich really didn't develop power until with the Brewers (career high 21 HRs with Marlins
Ozuna trade was a huge win. Marlins got Daniel Castano, Alcantara, and Gallen, as well as M. Sierra
I'm not saying there aren't better options out there, but I think you're being quite harsh on Hill. He was tasked with dumping any player than made any kind of salary, and through the draft and trades has the Marlins with a pretty decent collection of cheap talent.
A free agent 2 seasons later? C’mon. Sanchez is a stud but the Phillies for 2 years of the best C in baseball. Michael Hill is never discussed as one of the top executives in baseball. He’s never on the list of “can’t believe he’s not running a team”. He’d be a disappointing hire.
Yelich was worth 10 fWar his 2 final seasons in Miami so to act like nobody could have “seen this coming” is silly. Big time player who took it to another level in Mil. Basically gave him away despite a pretty team friendly contract that most teams would have been in o
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A big right-hander at 6 foot 7, McWilliams was apparently sitting 96-98 on his fastball early in spring this year. #Mets
McWilliams was recently sent to Tampa Bay as a PTBNL, part of the three-team deal that sent Steven Souza Jr. from the Rays to the Diamondbacks. This marks McWilliams’ third team since being drafted out of a Tennessee high school by the Phillies in 2014, as he initially was dealt from Philadelphia to Arizona in the 2015 trade that brought Jeremy Hellickson to the Phillies.
I saw his final start as a D-Backs prospect, suiting up for High A Visalia in the Ca League. McWilliams’ fastball is very effective when he’s able to his his spots, working at 94-to-96 mph with above-average tailing life. He will wrinkle in a true two-seam fastball at 92-to-93 mph with more arm-side movement, especially when there are runners on and he’s working for a ground ball. Despite plus arm strength and two looks at his fastball, the overall value of his heater projects closer to average: fringy in-zone command plays it under its velocity, allowing hitters better passes than you’d expect.
McWilliams works with a four-pitch mix, showing both a slider (86-88) and true curveball (82-85) along with a changeup (86-88). His slider is the best secondary pitch, showing sharp bite that gets hitters to chase out of the zone when he’s ahead in the count. He has a hard time landing it for early-count strikes, and it’s tough to project the slider as a true 60-grade offering given that he can only use it with two strikes. The 6’7” righty struggles to repeat his delivery and battles periods of wildness, and while the curveball and changeup show their flashes, the inconsistent execution of both means that McWilliams sometimes falls into being just a two-pitch starter.
With two average to solid-average pitches in the FB/SL combo, I see McWilliams fitting a middle-relief profile. He’s currently a starter, but focusing on a two-pitch mix and command seems to be the route where he would have most impact. Given his size and ability to at least flash a full starter’s four-pitch mix, he could probably make emergency starts or pitch numerous innings during mop-up situations. He fits the bill of a Role 45 system: a lower-ceiling arm, though one who could potentially contribute in a variety of roles.
Is a solid grab. Despite the FB the secondaries hold him back but he’s better than the absolute trash Brodie put out there aka the Locketts of the world. Maybe they bring back Flexen from Korea? (Was dominant there), haven’t given up on Kilometer yet , some rumors szapucki will be moved to the pen (in the minors)
Negative fWar this season. 1.3 last season. He’s not a good player despite the hype. 28 in 2021... 4 fWar career
Alfaro is an average catcher. No argument there. Sixto is a top of the rotation starter. They got him for a couple years of control of Realmuto. They weren’t resigning him.
Yelich trade was a bad trade. He was one of my favorite non-Mets when with the Marlins. The players he was traded for are all toolsy speed and/or power guys with BA/OBP issues, just like Chisholm.
That said, Yelich’s power surge was a surprise to many, of not all, that follow baseball. I specifically recall all the scouting reports on him having him as a 20-25 HR guy. Certainly not a 35-40 HR guy. I recall the comparisons as a Mark Grace bat, with some speed and the ability to play OF defensively. I may be wrong, and would welcome any scouting reports on him that projected him with 35-40 HR power.
My greater point however is that Hill wasn’t trading Yelich because he didn’t like him or appreciate his talent. In fact, Hill was the Marlins GM when Yelich was drafted. All these players were traded as directed by ownership to save money
I don't have a strong opinion on Hill but agree he needs to get graded
on a curve. Not all that different from Sandy with the Mets. I hated almost all of those trades he did at the time for the Marlins so the fact that it seems like at least a couple of them worked out is better than I expected.
Also maybe I'm wrong about this but I expect the GM to be more focused on the team/acquisitions/vision and the President role to be a little more administrative, but who knows. It seems like Heck is a more in the weeds guy on player personnel and the President candidates are more experienced in running organizations.
I think he will be a decent pitcher (back end/swing pitcher). But I do think he needs some time in the minors this year still. He should not be the top choice for a minors call-up for the pitching staff. But sadly, he probably is
Apparently in the past has preferred a behind the scenes role for whatever the reason. He’s never really been considered for a GM role (I would love the hire) but like Logan White he’s been viewed as a scout vs a true exec
Man it sucks with no minors this year, not getting to look at a whole year's worth of stats on fangraphs/baseballref.
Sherman on twitter notes they gave him $750k: "the highest salary for a player with zero days of Major League service, not coming from Asia, over the past decade." And plan to use Cohen's money to beef up the AA and AAA rosters.
“We feel good about it,” Van Wagenen said. “People like to talk about what we don’t have. I like to focus on what we do have. We added depth to the rotation by getting guys like Walker Lockett, Hector Santiago. That’s on top of the guys like Corey Oswalt, Drew Gagnon and Chris Flexen. I think we go pretty deep. Nobody can really absorb the adversity that comes with losing one of your aces, but we feel like we’ve added a number of guys that have no. 4, no. 5 potential to our roster.”
“We feel good about it,” Van Wagenen said. “People like to talk about what we don’t have. I like to focus on what we do have. We added depth to the rotation by getting guys like Walker Lockett, Hector Santiago. That’s on top of the guys like Corey Oswalt, Drew Gagnon and Chris Flexen. I think we go pretty deep. Nobody can really absorb the adversity that comes with losing one of your aces, but we feel like we’ve added a number of guys that have no. 4, no. 5 potential to our roster.”
Lol. While trading Smith, Humphreys, Kay, SWR, and Dunn. I get including Dunn in the Diaz trade. Wasn’t a big fan of his. But Humphreys and Smith were both bad trades. Smith for Castro value wise may not be as terrible if you have a surplus of pitching in the high minors. It is inexcusable considering where the Mets stood when they made it.
I like Stroman, but for the life of me I will never understand not resigning Wheeler (who wanted to stay) and trading Katy and SWR for Stroman. Just keep Wheeler and the prospects
reminded me of the scene in Animal House when the frat house was raided.
I get trading players like Stanton, but they traded players years away from free agency. For a not great return and IMO for no good reason.
I always think of the line "they confiscated everything, even the stuff we didn't steal"
I think the reason was the new ownership simply had no $ and all future obligations had to go when they dealt Ozuna and Yelich. JTR I believe requested a trade after they were dealt.
“We feel good about it,” Van Wagenen said. “People like to talk about what we don’t have. I like to focus on what we do have. We added depth to the rotation by getting guys like Walker Lockett, Hector Santiago. That’s on top of the guys like Corey Oswalt, Drew Gagnon and Chris Flexen. I think we go pretty deep. Nobody can really absorb the adversity that comes with losing one of your aces, but we feel like we’ve added a number of guys that have no. 4, no. 5 potential to our roster.”
Lol. While trading Smith, Humphreys, Kay, SWR, and Dunn. I get including Dunn in the Diaz trade. Wasn’t a big fan of his. But Humphreys and Smith were both bad trades. Smith for Castro value wise may not be as terrible if you have a surplus of pitching in the high minors. It is inexcusable considering where the Mets stood when they made it.
I like Stroman, but for the life of me I will never understand not resigning Wheeler (who wanted to stay) and trading Katy and SWR for Stroman. Just keep Wheeler and the prospects
His quote legitimately sounds made up.. yet it’s real lol
Sort of underdiscussed so far, but I'm really excited to see how Sandy uses the $ to leverage more talent on the farm - this offseason especially by possibly taking on salary dumps. I have to think he tries to get in on a Touki Toussaint type trade if it's out there.
If Humphreys on waivers/available to be claimed or is he just off the 40-man?
per metsmerized twitter...
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@SFGiants
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To make room on the 40-man roster the following players have been designated for assignment:
• C Aramis Garcia
• IF/OF Chris Shaw
• RHP Jordan Humphreys
With today’s additions, the 40-man roster is now at 40 players.
If Humphreys on waivers/available to be claimed or is he just off the 40-man?
per metsmerized twitter...
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SFGiants
@SFGiants
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To make room on the 40-man roster the following players have been designated for assignment:
• C Aramis Garcia
• IF/OF Chris Shaw
• RHP Jordan Humphreys
With today’s additions, the 40-man roster is now at 40 players.
#SFGiants
It means he was taken off 40 man roster. Giants have 7 days (I think that is the timeframe) to trade him, release him or send him to minors after clearing waivers. Doubt I would trade for him, but Mets should bring him back if he is released. Decent depth for AA/AAA
I totally missed that although to be fair bvw made following the Mets difficult.
traded for Billy Hamilton
he had to be traded after he was DFAd to make room for Ryan Cordell (or go through waivers) and I don't care if Humphreys never even makes it to AAA shit like that is maddening and I hope comes to an end.
random Arenado detail - he has an opt out after this year
would imagine that would hamper his trade value in a big way. If he has a good year he opts out, if he doesn't there's the risk of the already committed $. Also would seemingly make it a lot more likely Colorado deals him. Would think it's highly likely he would opt out there.
And probably why he wasn’t traded last off season after demanding it. Unless he agrees not to opt out how on earth do you Value him? Also there is a pretty big injury concern with him. I would be very concerned about his 2020 season and the potentially chronic nature of that shoulder.
Hill was strong via the draft but lost almost every trade he made. Granted he had 2 weird ownership situations but when you talk up bringing in “the best” and then are blocked on Neander and Stearns, rejected by Forst and Chernoff and then settle for Hill... it’s a disappointment. Hopefully, they have an expanded list.
No other known names as of now.
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Why are you down on Hill Dan?
Hill was strong via the draft but lost almost every trade he made. Granted he had 2 weird ownership situations but when you talk up bringing in “the best” and then are blocked on Neander and Stearns, rejected by Forst and Chernoff and then settle for Hill... it’s a disappointment. Hopefully, they have an expanded list.
Just want to note as a Marlins asshat from the Loria -- that there's no way to underestimate how much interference he was subject to. Just my impressions that David Samson makes Jeff Wilpon look like Joan Payson in terms of meddling in baseball ops.
Certainly agree. I was just adding first-hand color from my perspective. I'm amazed anyone hung in there for 10 years with that group and I'd always be viewing the trades made with a jaundiced eye as far as whether that represents his own valuation of the assets involved.
why? do you trust him to build a bullpen too?
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any of these guys, I trust Sandy to bring in the right people.
why? do you trust him to build a bullpen too?
Yes.
Gallen was a terrible trade IMO, although Chisolm is TBD I am not a huge fan and would have kept the top of the rotation starter.
Realmuto is a FA now. They got Sixto Sanchez and Jorge Alfaro for him. Win for Marlins.
Stanton was a salary dump addition by subtraction.
Yelich trade was bad. Harrison, Brinson, Isan Diaz, and Yamamoto. But Yelich really didn't develop power until with the Brewers (career high 21 HRs with Marlins
Ozuna trade was a huge win. Marlins got Daniel Castano, Alcantara, and Gallen, as well as M. Sierra
I'm not saying there aren't better options out there, but I think you're being quite harsh on Hill. He was tasked with dumping any player than made any kind of salary, and through the draft and trades has the Marlins with a pretty decent collection of cheap talent.
Gallen was a terrible trade IMO, although Chisolm is TBD I am not a huge fan and would have kept the top of the rotation starter.
Realmuto is a FA now. They got Sixto Sanchez and Jorge Alfaro for him. Win for Marlins.
Stanton was a salary dump addition by subtraction.
Yelich trade was bad. Harrison, Brinson, Isan Diaz, and Yamamoto. But Yelich really didn't develop power until with the Brewers (career high 21 HRs with Marlins
Ozuna trade was a huge win. Marlins got Daniel Castano, Alcantara, and Gallen, as well as M. Sierra
I'm not saying there aren't better options out there, but I think you're being quite harsh on Hill. He was tasked with dumping any player than made any kind of salary, and through the draft and trades has the Marlins with a pretty decent collection of cheap talent.
A free agent 2 seasons later? C’mon. Sanchez is a stud but the Phillies for 2 years of the best C in baseball. Michael Hill is never discussed as one of the top executives in baseball. He’s never on the list of “can’t believe he’s not running a team”. He’d be a disappointing hire.
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A big right-hander at 6 foot 7, McWilliams was apparently sitting 96-98 on his fastball early in spring this year. #Mets
McWilliams was recently sent to Tampa Bay as a PTBNL, part of the three-team deal that sent Steven Souza Jr. from the Rays to the Diamondbacks. This marks McWilliams’ third team since being drafted out of a Tennessee high school by the Phillies in 2014, as he initially was dealt from Philadelphia to Arizona in the 2015 trade that brought Jeremy Hellickson to the Phillies.
I saw his final start as a D-Backs prospect, suiting up for High A Visalia in the Ca League. McWilliams’ fastball is very effective when he’s able to his his spots, working at 94-to-96 mph with above-average tailing life. He will wrinkle in a true two-seam fastball at 92-to-93 mph with more arm-side movement, especially when there are runners on and he’s working for a ground ball. Despite plus arm strength and two looks at his fastball, the overall value of his heater projects closer to average: fringy in-zone command plays it under its velocity, allowing hitters better passes than you’d expect.
McWilliams works with a four-pitch mix, showing both a slider (86-88) and true curveball (82-85) along with a changeup (86-88). His slider is the best secondary pitch, showing sharp bite that gets hitters to chase out of the zone when he’s ahead in the count. He has a hard time landing it for early-count strikes, and it’s tough to project the slider as a true 60-grade offering given that he can only use it with two strikes. The 6’7” righty struggles to repeat his delivery and battles periods of wildness, and while the curveball and changeup show their flashes, the inconsistent execution of both means that McWilliams sometimes falls into being just a two-pitch starter.
With two average to solid-average pitches in the FB/SL combo, I see McWilliams fitting a middle-relief profile. He’s currently a starter, but focusing on a two-pitch mix and command seems to be the route where he would have most impact. Given his size and ability to at least flash a full starter’s four-pitch mix, he could probably make emergency starts or pitch numerous innings during mop-up situations. He fits the bill of a Role 45 system: a lower-ceiling arm, though one who could potentially contribute in a variety of roles.
Alfaro is an average catcher. No argument there. Sixto is a top of the rotation starter. They got him for a couple years of control of Realmuto. They weren’t resigning him.
Yelich trade was a bad trade. He was one of my favorite non-Mets when with the Marlins. The players he was traded for are all toolsy speed and/or power guys with BA/OBP issues, just like Chisholm.
That said, Yelich’s power surge was a surprise to many, of not all, that follow baseball. I specifically recall all the scouting reports on him having him as a 20-25 HR guy. Certainly not a 35-40 HR guy. I recall the comparisons as a Mark Grace bat, with some speed and the ability to play OF defensively. I may be wrong, and would welcome any scouting reports on him that projected him with 35-40 HR power.
My greater point however is that Hill wasn’t trading Yelich because he didn’t like him or appreciate his talent. In fact, Hill was the Marlins GM when Yelich was drafted. All these players were traded as directed by ownership to save money
Also maybe I'm wrong about this but I expect the GM to be more focused on the team/acquisitions/vision and the President role to be a little more administrative, but who knows. It seems like Heck is a more in the weeds guy on player personnel and the President candidates are more experienced in running organizations.
I get trading players like Stanton, but they traded players years away from free agency. For a not great return and IMO for no good reason.
I always think of the line "they confiscated everything, even the stuff we didn't steal"
Sherman on twitter notes they gave him $750k: "the highest salary for a player with zero days of Major League service, not coming from Asia, over the past decade." And plan to use Cohen's money to beef up the AA and AAA rosters.
Lol. While trading Smith, Humphreys, Kay, SWR, and Dunn. I get including Dunn in the Diaz trade. Wasn’t a big fan of his. But Humphreys and Smith were both bad trades. Smith for Castro value wise may not be as terrible if you have a surplus of pitching in the high minors. It is inexcusable considering where the Mets stood when they made it.
I like Stroman, but for the life of me I will never understand not resigning Wheeler (who wanted to stay) and trading Katy and SWR for Stroman. Just keep Wheeler and the prospects
I get trading players like Stanton, but they traded players years away from free agency. For a not great return and IMO for no good reason.
I always think of the line "they confiscated everything, even the stuff we didn't steal"
I think the reason was the new ownership simply had no $ and all future obligations had to go when they dealt Ozuna and Yelich. JTR I believe requested a trade after they were dealt.
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“We feel good about it,” Van Wagenen said. “People like to talk about what we don’t have. I like to focus on what we do have. We added depth to the rotation by getting guys like Walker Lockett, Hector Santiago. That’s on top of the guys like Corey Oswalt, Drew Gagnon and Chris Flexen. I think we go pretty deep. Nobody can really absorb the adversity that comes with losing one of your aces, but we feel like we’ve added a number of guys that have no. 4, no. 5 potential to our roster.”
Lol. While trading Smith, Humphreys, Kay, SWR, and Dunn. I get including Dunn in the Diaz trade. Wasn’t a big fan of his. But Humphreys and Smith were both bad trades. Smith for Castro value wise may not be as terrible if you have a surplus of pitching in the high minors. It is inexcusable considering where the Mets stood when they made it.
I like Stroman, but for the life of me I will never understand not resigning Wheeler (who wanted to stay) and trading Katy and SWR for Stroman. Just keep Wheeler and the prospects
His quote legitimately sounds made up.. yet it’s real lol
Sort of underdiscussed so far, but I'm really excited to see how Sandy uses the $ to leverage more talent on the farm - this offseason especially by possibly taking on salary dumps. I have to think he tries to get in on a Touki Toussaint type trade if it's out there.
If Humphreys on waivers/available to be claimed or is he just off the 40-man?
per metsmerized twitter...
@SFGiants
· 1h
To make room on the 40-man roster the following players have been designated for assignment:
• C Aramis Garcia
• IF/OF Chris Shaw
• RHP Jordan Humphreys
With today’s additions, the 40-man roster is now at 40 players.
#SFGiants
If Humphreys on waivers/available to be claimed or is he just off the 40-man?
per metsmerized twitter...
Quote:
SFGiants
@SFGiants
· 1h
To make room on the 40-man roster the following players have been designated for assignment:
• C Aramis Garcia
• IF/OF Chris Shaw
• RHP Jordan Humphreys
With today’s additions, the 40-man roster is now at 40 players.
#SFGiants
It means he was taken off 40 man roster. Giants have 7 days (I think that is the timeframe) to trade him, release him or send him to minors after clearing waivers. Doubt I would trade for him, but Mets should bring him back if he is released. Decent depth for AA/AAA
traded for Billy Hamilton
he had to be traded after he was DFAd to make room for Ryan Cordell (or go through waivers) and I don't care if Humphreys never even makes it to AAA shit like that is maddening and I hope comes to an end.