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Burt64 : 11/20/2020 2:37 pm
a lot to unpack here frim Michael Silver

: 1) As @KimJonesSports
reported, the incident that led to the abrupt firing of Giants OL coach Marc Colombo did involve Colombo calling HC Joe Judge a very dirty name. However, tensions began weeks earlier after an incident on the practice field...
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2) According to a witness, Judge corrected the technique of center Nick Gates during a practice several weeks ago, and Colombo disagreed with correction. Judge reacted angrily, and from that point on was frosty toward the OL coach. Ultimately, Judge brought in Dave DeGuglielmo...
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3) The Giants' line had struggled early in the season, especially rookie LT Andrew Thomas, but things had begun to improve--and the unit has performed well during the team's current two-game winning streak. Colombo was popular with his players, and they were in a good zone...
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4) Judge's decision to bring in DeGuglielmo to "help" Colombo flew in the face of that, and the offensive linemen were confused. Tensions escalated, and when Judge began ripping Thomas during a film session, Colombo stepped in to defend the LT... and ultimately swore at Judge...
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5) Obviously, Judge is the head coach, and he is free to hire and fire whom he pleases. But his personality style has been off-putting to some. The former Patriots assistant, and some of those who came with him from New England, have exuded an alarming aura of haughtiness...
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6) In making the case that the Patriots' system is supreme, Judge and some ex-New England have assistants have openly denigrated the abilities of Tom Brady--claiming he struggles when it comes to throwing deep, throwing outside the numbers and moving in the pocket...
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7) To their credit, Judge and his assistants DO acknowledge that the six-time Super Bowl champion is intelligent. They've also claimed that the Giants' offensive personnel is equal to what they had in New England in past years...
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8) Bottom line: Judge and his assistants have done some very good things lately, turning around a Giants team that looked hapless and injected it back into the division-title race (albeit in the NFL's worst division in recent memory)...
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9) Yet the Colombo fiasco, and the way it played out over the past few weeks, remains an open sore. And as they finish out their bye week, many of the team's offensive linemen are unsure what the change will mean, and whether they'll have to relearn techniques on the fly, etc.
Just read this  
Biteymax22 : 11/20/2020 2:39 pm : link
Something about it reeks of "Came from the Columbo Camp"
That took a strange direction..  
Sean : 11/20/2020 2:39 pm : link
How did that go from the Giants OL to Brady?
The Brady  
Jon in NYC : 11/20/2020 2:40 pm : link
pivot is a strange one, and I also agree that this likely came from Colombo.

From what I can tell the players love Judge and are playing really hard for him.
the Patriots related  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 11/20/2020 2:40 pm : link
stuff sounds exaggerated to say the least.
So basically what  
McNally's_Nuts : 11/20/2020 2:41 pm : link
I'm seeing is that whatever Judge corrected w/ Gates immediately improved his play the last few weeks.

As the immortal Gordon Gekko once said to Bud Fox

"You want a friend? Get a dog."
Also  
McNally's_Nuts : 11/20/2020 2:43 pm : link
in every interview I've ever seen of Joe Judge, the last word I would use to describe him is "haughty"
.......  
CoughlinHandsonHips : 11/20/2020 2:47 pm : link
The patriots assistants probably know a thing or two about what a successful approach looks like..
I questioned where that Brady shit came from too.  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/20/2020 2:47 pm : link
Digging into it Silver has some weird love affair with him and wouldn't be surprised if he had a personal connection with him. Perfect opportunity to defend your boy's legacy lol. These guys are all a bunch of drama queens Christ!
Judge ripped into Thomas  
section125 : 11/20/2020 2:48 pm : link
at a film session? Yeah ok. Can anyone see Judge doing that in front of the whole oline room?

This reeks of bull crap...perhaps the timeline is correct and the initial technique correction are true, but this seems awfully contrived.
I can see Judge ripping anyone  
McNally's_Nuts : 11/20/2020 2:49 pm : link
on this team in a film session.
I don't know what any of this has to do with him,  
Go Terps : 11/20/2020 2:49 pm : link
but the observations/criticisms of Brady's game aren't wrong. I thought that was common knowledge though...it's hardly some inside secret. And if you go back to the NYG-TB game, they clearly gave Brady a hard time because they knew his weaknesses.

As it pertains to this team, there isn't a single guy on the roster that's been a part of anything good for the Giants. If Judge tells them to wear their helmets backwards, they should wear their helmets backwards. No one has grounds to question anything.
RE: I don't know what any of this has to do with him,  
McNally's_Nuts : 11/20/2020 2:51 pm : link
In comment 15052381 Go Terps said:
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but the observations/criticisms of Brady's game aren't wrong. I thought that was common knowledge though...it's hardly some inside secret. And if you go back to the NYG-TB game, they clearly gave Brady a hard time because they knew his weaknesses.

As it pertains to this team, there isn't a single guy on the roster that's been a part of anything good for the Giants. If Judge tells them to wear their helmets backwards, they should wear their helmets backwards. No one has grounds to question anything.


Yeah, exactly. I agree w/ Terps.

We all know Brady can't throw it deep nor can he sling it across the field anymore.

If Judge tells them to color eggs, the team better say its Easter Sunday.
RE: Judge ripped into Thomas  
bw in dc : 11/20/2020 2:51 pm : link
In comment 15052378 section125 said:
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at a film session? Yeah ok. Can anyone see Judge doing that in front of the whole oline room?

This reeks of bull crap...perhaps the timeline is correct and the initial technique correction are true, but this seems awfully contrived.


I can see Judge doing that - absolutely.

He saw it in New England all the time. Apparently, BB was famous for taking Brady to the woodshed in film sessions to show that Brady wasn't anything special.

So it seems the apple didn't fall too far from the coaching tree...
RE: Just read this  
Heisenberg : 11/20/2020 2:52 pm : link
In comment 15052356 Biteymax22 said:
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Something about it reeks of "Came from the Columbo Camp"



I agree, but there are two sides to every story.
RE: I can see Judge ripping anyone  
BlackLight : 11/20/2020 2:53 pm : link
In comment 15052380 McNally's_Nuts said:
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on this team in a film session.


I can too.
....  
CoughlinHandsonHips : 11/20/2020 2:54 pm : link
You get the feeling the inmates run the asylum to a degree in Dallas.

And Garret was always a players coach.

Probably what Columbo's used to.

At the end of the day, regardless of profession, probably not a good idea to curse out your boss. Haha.
As I said in the other thread  
BestFeature : 11/20/2020 2:54 pm : link
Silver was a guy that's trashed Judge all offseason, I don't take anything he says about Judge seriously.
When you can't win games  
darktimes : 11/20/2020 2:56 pm : link
you deserve to get ripped in front of everyone. This is football.
It's not like Colombo  
GiantsRage2007 : 11/20/2020 2:58 pm : link
Had this line playing like the 1990 Team or something... they've shown some moderate improvement in the last few weeks, but for the most part they have been complete garbage all year.

It's particularly highlighted this past week when they kept Jones more clean than normal and they ran the ball - THEY WON.

When your LT is rated the worst T in the sport & you're line overall is near the bottom...you better fix it... coaching/playing/whatever.
Colombo refusing to adapt..  
Sean : 11/20/2020 3:01 pm : link
Like Lombardi said the GM Shuffle, so many teams think they run it like NE, but they have no fucking idea.

It’s looking more and more like Garrett will be gone too, it just isn’t a fit. It’s better to train coaches than retrain them clearly.
RE: RE: I don't know what any of this has to do with him,  
bw in dc : 11/20/2020 3:01 pm : link
In comment 15052386 McNally's_Nuts said:
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We all know Brady can't throw it deep nor can he sling it across the field anymore.



Not to go off an a tangent here, but I think Brady, by some measurements, is the best deep ball thrower in the NFL right now. He's thrown some dimes this year.

Now I agree he has lost some of the MPHs on the stuff outside the hashes. That looks very obvious to me.
Judge ripped Thomas when he was drafted  
ghost718 : 11/20/2020 3:04 pm : link
I don't see how a lot of this unbelievable

He also definitely has the "Patriot way is supreme" attitude,if you don't pick up on that,I don't know what to tell you.
RE: Judge ripped into Thomas  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/20/2020 3:05 pm : link
In comment 15052378 section125 said:
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at a film session? Yeah ok. Can anyone see Judge doing that in front of the whole oline room?

This reeks of bull crap...perhaps the timeline is correct and the initial technique correction are true, but this seems awfully contrived.


Ugh what? Players get ripped in film room all the time. Especially, if they are making the same mistakes over and over again.
Definitely sounds like it's from Colombo  
widmerseyebrow : 11/20/2020 3:05 pm : link
All the stuff about the Pats assistants sounds like it's coming from a guy who's insecure and feels threatened by the Pats success.

A coach called out a player in a film session when he was playing like dog shit? Oh the humanity! Who will save the players feelings from getting hurt now that the white knight has been fired?
RE: Judge ripped Thomas when he was drafted  
Eric on Li : 11/20/2020 3:07 pm : link
In comment 15052404 ghost718 said:
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I don't see how a lot of this unbelievable

He also definitely has the "Patriot way is supreme" attitude,if you don't pick up on that,I don't know what to tell you.


A lot of it is believable, what's unbelievable is that whoever leaked it thinks it makes them look good.
RE: RE: Judge ripped Thomas when he was drafted  
ghost718 : 11/20/2020 3:08 pm : link
In comment 15052410 Eric on Li said:
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A lot of it is believable, what's unbelievable is that whoever leaked it thinks it makes them look good.


Could be Colombo,but it could be a number of people.We found about Thomas supposedly from a scout who was fired.

Guys like Judge are not gonna win popularity contests
RE: RE: RE: Judge ripped Thomas when he was drafted  
Eric on Li : 11/20/2020 3:12 pm : link
In comment 15052412 ghost718 said:
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In comment 15052410 Eric on Li said:


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A lot of it is believable, what's unbelievable is that whoever leaked it thinks it makes them look good.



Could be Colombo,but it could be a number of people.We found about Thomas supposedly from a scout who was fired.

Guys like Judge are not gonna win popularity contests


What is the Thomas story? I don't recall that.
RE: RE: Just read this  
Biteymax22 : 11/20/2020 3:17 pm : link
In comment 15052388 Heisenberg said:
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In comment 15052356 Biteymax22 said:


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Something about it reeks of "Came from the Columbo Camp"




I agree, but there are two sides to every story.



There's more to this than we've all heard I'm sure. A lot of this just came off as someone emotionally ranting.

FWIW Kim Jones had a tweet earlier in the week when this happened where she mentioned she was told before the season Columbo wouldn't work out, though she didn't elaborate why.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Judge ripped Thomas when he was drafted  
section125 : 11/20/2020 3:17 pm : link
In comment 15052417 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 15052412 ghost718 said:


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In comment 15052410 Eric on Li said:


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A lot of it is believable, what's unbelievable is that whoever leaked it thinks it makes them look good.



Could be Colombo,but it could be a number of people.We found about Thomas supposedly from a scout who was fired.

Guys like Judge are not gonna win popularity contests



What is the Thomas story? I don't recall that.


Again, BS. Why would you draft the guy and rip it?
RE: RE: RE: RE: Judge ripped Thomas when he was drafted  
ghost718 : 11/20/2020 3:17 pm : link
In comment 15052417 Eric on Li said:
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What is the Thomas story? I don't recall that.


One of the scouts who has been here for awhile,supposedly leaked what Judge said to Thomas after he was drafted.It wasn't typical of what is normally said in that situation.It was more like a drill sergeant speech
So Joe Judge is a tough guy to work for?  
arniefez : 11/20/2020 3:18 pm : link
Who knew football coaches are hard asses? I keep posting this. I believe it was in a Schwartz article in the Post.

There's no Kim Jones scorned ex girlfriend gossip crap in it. Right from the horses mouth. If you're wondering why Columbo is gone let him tell you himself:

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“It’s different,” Colombo said last week. “In Dallas, you had a couple of Hall of Famers, a perennial Pro Bowler, that type of deal. It was just about getting those guys the right amount of reps in every practice so they were ready and confident going into a game. Here, it’s every little tiny detail. You don’t take anything for granted.”
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Judge ripped Thomas when he was drafted  
BestFeature : 11/20/2020 3:19 pm : link
In comment 15052430 ghost718 said:
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In comment 15052417 Eric on Li said:


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What is the Thomas story? I don't recall that.



One of the scouts who has been here for awhile,supposedly leaked what Judge said to Thomas after he was drafted.It wasn't typical of what is normally said in that situation.It was more like a drill sergeant speech


Was it the one about not making any predictions? If that's it, sounds like a mountain out of a molehill.
RE: I can see Judge ripping anyone  
ron mexico : 11/20/2020 3:19 pm : link
In comment 15052380 McNally's_Nuts said:
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on this team in a film session.


Me too, and don’t see a problem with it
RE: Judge ripped Thomas when he was drafted  
ron mexico : 11/20/2020 3:23 pm : link
In comment 15052404 ghost718 said:
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I don't see how a lot of this unbelievable

He also definitely has the "Patriot way is supreme" attitude,if you don't pick up on that,I don't know what to tell you.


I think you are referring to the story where he told him how to act. Stay humble and not make predictions. Might be over controlling, but I wouldn’t call it ripping.
I usually read the Joe Judge transcripts posted here  
Bill L : 11/20/2020 3:26 pm : link
I can't recall any incidents of him talking about the Patriots or "the Patriot Way" at all unless in response to a direct question.
Sorry, I'm new to football  
BlackLight : 11/20/2020 3:33 pm : link
Why would anyone want to emulate the Patriots? Have they been good for awhile or something?
RE: I don't know what any of this has to do with him,  
HomerJones45 : 11/20/2020 3:35 pm : link
In comment 15052381 Go Terps said:
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but the observations/criticisms of Brady's game aren't wrong. I thought that was common knowledge though...it's hardly some inside secret. And if you go back to the NYG-TB game, they clearly gave Brady a hard time because they knew his weaknesses.

As it pertains to this team, there isn't a single guy on the roster that's been a part of anything good for the Giants. If Judge tells them to wear their helmets backwards, they should wear their helmets backwards. No one has grounds to question anything.
Brady completed 70% of his passes for 279 yards and 2 td's. What exactly do you consider a "tough time."

We'll see how all this plays out and what effect it has, if any. But as someone said, this is not a good look for Judge and some rookie mistakes in the way this was all handled.
RE: ....  
81_Great_Dane : 11/20/2020 3:36 pm : link
In comment 15052393 CoughlinHandsonHips said:
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At the end of the day, regardless of profession, probably not a good idea to curse out your boss. Haha.


Nope, not if you want to keep your job. There are some people I work with who might get an earful from me if I won the lottery and didn't give a fuck anymore.
RE: RE: I don't know what any of this has to do with him,  
UConn4523 : 11/20/2020 3:48 pm : link
In comment 15052457 HomerJones45 said:
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In comment 15052381 Go Terps said:


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but the observations/criticisms of Brady's game aren't wrong. I thought that was common knowledge though...it's hardly some inside secret. And if you go back to the NYG-TB game, they clearly gave Brady a hard time because they knew his weaknesses.

As it pertains to this team, there isn't a single guy on the roster that's been a part of anything good for the Giants. If Judge tells them to wear their helmets backwards, they should wear their helmets backwards. No one has grounds to question anything.

Brady completed 70% of his passes for 279 yards and 2 td's. What exactly do you consider a "tough time."

We'll see how all this plays out and what effect it has, if any. But as someone said, this is not a good look for Judge and some rookie mistakes in the way this was all handled.


You keep harping on this not being a good look yet the details of what happened are all over the place. Somehow you definitively know what happened even though no one else has?

Judge isn't infallible, i'm sure he'd be the first to admit when he makes mistakes. But until I see something definitive which we will likely never get, i'm going to chalk this up as Colombo not liking getting the boot.
Seems like  
ryanmkeane : 11/20/2020 3:56 pm : link
Colombo got his feelings hurt and cried to mommy
i could give a rat's ass if Judge rubs anyone the wrong way  
markky : 11/20/2020 6:35 pm : link
or even if firing an assistant coach is a setback. we've been a total shit show for years. the players and coaches should expect to get ripped. i'm glad is taking the bull by the balls.
Are these tweets even for real?  
UberAlias : 11/20/2020 7:16 pm : link
Seriously --The Patriots coaches have exuded an alarming aura of haughtiness?

Those guys actin' like they all that!

This is journalism? LOL, this is the most obvious case of, let me ask the guy who just got fired to tell me what happened and I'll go publish his rants as fact.
Who gives a flying fuck..  
kes722 : 11/21/2020 12:05 am : link
Judge fired the coach from the worst performing group..GOOD.

Especially good if its true that Judge was aiding that group and said group have improved since his involvement.

Why are people complaining about a head coach that holds his subordinates accountable?
RE: So Joe Judge is a tough guy to work for?  
glowrider : 11/21/2020 11:37 pm : link
In comment 15052432 arniefez said:
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Who knew football coaches are hard asses? I keep posting this. I believe it was in a Schwartz article in the Post.

There's no Kim Jones scorned ex girlfriend gossip crap in it. Right from the horses mouth. If you're wondering why Columbo is gone let him tell you himself:



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“It’s different,” Colombo said last week. “In Dallas, you had a couple of Hall of Famers, a perennial Pro Bowler, that type of deal. It was just about getting those guys the right amount of reps in every practice so they were ready and confident going into a game. Here, it’s every little tiny detail. You don’t take anything for granted.”



100%. He had an easy ride in Dallas, and here he has to be a teacher to kids. The expectations are not the same. That is a problem. Or was.
RE: RE: So Joe Judge is a tough guy to work for?  
Mattman : 11/22/2020 8:33 am : link
In comment 15053429 glowrider said:
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In comment 15052432 arniefez said:


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Who knew football coaches are hard asses? I keep posting this. I believe it was in a Schwartz article in the Post.

There's no Kim Jones scorned ex girlfriend gossip crap in it. Right from the horses mouth. If you're wondering why Columbo is gone let him tell you himself:



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“It’s different,” Colombo said last week. “In Dallas, you had a couple of Hall of Famers, a perennial Pro Bowler, that type of deal. It was just about getting those guys the right amount of reps in every practice so they were ready and confident going into a game. Here, it’s every little tiny detail. You don’t take anything for granted.”





100%. He had an easy ride in Dallas, and here he has to be a teacher to kids. The expectations are not the same. That is a problem. Or was.


That quote is very telling. The patriots way or bills way was also coughlins way. It is: 1. Get the basics right 2. Sweat the small stuff

You compete in the nfl on small margins most of the time. The smallest of details give you the edge you need to win and the smallest of details can break you.
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