from? Why would Judge even waste his time with that stuff?
Actually just checked and he seems to have this very weird love affair with Tom Brady, wouldn't be surprised if there is a personal connection there. Lol perfect opportunity to throw in some stuff about your boy that has nothing to do with the situation at all!
from? Why would Judge even waste his time with that stuff?
Actually just checked and he seems to have this very weird love affair with Tom Brady, wouldn't be surprised if there is a personal connection there. Lol perfect opportunity to throw in some stuff about your boy that has nothing to do with the situation at all!
That was a curve ball...Indeed.
Like I mentioned, it was interesting how the OL started to embrace Colombo's approach and were finding their "zone". And now there be confusion going forward about techniques, calls, etc...
said that we can expect players to be learning new technique on the fly once they get back from the bye. That's going to be interesting being that the unit seemingly finally started to play well together.
First a lot of dirty laundry being aired there about non-public conversations. The Brady stuff in particular sounds like agenda driven sour grapes without any relation to this situation. Clearly there was some kind of NE vs. non-NE hostility among the coaches - and given that the source of these sour grapes is likely the recently departed it seems all the more like he had to get fired. You can't have open hostility among leaders.
Second the most important thing from here forward is going to be the performance of the OL. Just as the most important thing this season was their improvement the last couple weeks (especially Thomas). Either Judge is self sabotaging or making the right decision for the team going forward. We've seen Judge make 100's of decisions big and small since he was hired - I wouldn't describe many if any as being self sabotaging. Doesn't mean this one isn't but there's an obvious squeaky wheel throwing off a lot of excuses and appearing more unprofessional with every new story that's coming out.
I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss a report like this.
On one side it seems clear that Colombo disrespected Judge and forced him to make a decision. But on the other side, we have been seeing an OL with some steady improvement under Colombo, and reports that the players liked him. I don't think this is a good look for Judge.
RE: I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss a report like this.
On one side it seems clear that Colombo disrespected Judge and forced him to make a decision. But on the other side, we have been seeing an OL with some steady improvement under Colombo, and reports that the players liked him. I don't think this is a good look for Judge.
On the other hand, you have reports that the improvement started when Judge started getting more involved with the OL.
Honestly, I don't know who to believe. I guess we'll see how it works out.
RE: I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss a report like this.
On one side it seems clear that Colombo disrespected Judge and forced him to make a decision. But on the other side, we have been seeing an OL with some steady improvement under Colombo, and reports that the players liked him. I don't think this is a good look for Judge.
There are also reports (I don't know if they all stemmed from the same person) that Judge is the one that took matters into his hands with the O-line and that's why it's better.
RE: I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss a report like this.
On one side it seems clear that Colombo disrespected Judge and forced him to make a decision. But on the other side, we have been seeing an OL with some steady improvement under Colombo, and reports that the players liked him. I don't think this is a good look for Judge.
Agreed.
Poor timing to make this particular move. Not overly enamored about need for Patriots compadres.
Hope it doesn’t cause the oline to regress
Columbo, however has come across as a dick, to me, and you don’t go around calling your boss a see-you-next-Tuesday in a hob where the HC is always going to look to retain respect.
The mention of Brady was very strange and had nothing to do with the topic.
If the parts about correcting Gates' technique and criticizing Thomas on film is true then Colombo is a real ass. This is Judge's team and if he wants to correct something he has every right to do so. Colombo was clearly creating a divide in the locker room of his guys (the OL) versus the HC. You cannot have that in any locker room if you want to be successful.
What Colombo should have done was have a discussion in private with Judge to express his view point. Undermining the HC authority and openly disrespecting him in front of his players is grounds for immediate dismissal.
I was sad to see Colombo go but after finding out all of this recent information I am glad that Judge made the decision.
I also think that Judge is not going to allow Deguglielmo to drastically alter the technique of the offensive linemen at this point of the season. I expect minor tweaks here and there but nothing major until the offseason if such changes are necessary.
RE: I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss a report like this.
On one side it seems clear that Colombo disrespected Judge and forced him to make a decision. But on the other side, we have been seeing an OL with some steady improvement under Colombo, and reports that the players liked him. I don't think this is a good look for Judge.
Isn't that very transparently the apparent motivation of whoever this source is? To make Judge look bad.
Again, not saying this is the right call or wrong call, that answer remains to be seen. Just pointing out there's clearly someone with an axe to grind.
should be considered middle school ex girlfriend level bullshit. She's absolute garbage in every way and there's a reason she's a fringe part of the NFL Network at best after being in the business all these years.
On one side it seems clear that Colombo disrespected Judge and forced him to make a decision. But on the other side, we have been seeing an OL with some steady improvement under Colombo, and reports that the players liked him. I don't think this is a good look for Judge.
Would it have been a good look for Judge if he kept a coach around who continuously disrespects him in front of his players?
Is the only thing that works in the NFL. If Judge wanted Colombo gone that’s good enough for me. Every minor detail should be the way he wants it, and if it ultimately fails you move on from Judge.
Also Thomas has been worst of the big four tackles so I would hope they’re riding him. He was the fourth pick in the draft, we need more.
RE: Michael Silver graduated from Cal Berkeley ...
It's sink or Swim, so it shouldn;t be a surprise that some talented guys improved.
Maybe Columbo felt threatened and over reacted.
Head Coaches (All Coaches) are Bullet Proof with their players when they win, and when their players believe that the Coach is making Them and The team better. Being Prickly or Easy or ANYTHING ELSE doesn't Matter.
is that the line's play began to improve roughly about the time Judge started involving himself in the coaching process there.
I can see Colombo being popular with the players, being a former player himself. But these reports hinting at discontent with Judge among the players don't jive with what we're seeing. When the team was 0-5 and 1-7, we weren't hearing boo from the players about the coaches having an attitude problem.
The mention of Brady was very strange and had nothing to do with the topic.
If the parts about correcting Gates' technique and criticizing Thomas on film is true then Colombo is a real ass. This is Judge's team and if he wants to correct something he has every right to do so. Colombo was clearly creating a divide in the locker room of his guys (the OL) versus the HC. You cannot have that in any locker room if you want to be successful.
What Colombo should have done was have a discussion in private with Judge to express his view point. Undermining the HC authority and openly disrespecting him in front of his players is grounds for immediate dismissal.
I was sad to see Colombo go but after finding out all of this recent information I am glad that Judge made the decision.
I also think that Judge is not going to allow Deguglielmo to drastically alter the technique of the offensive linemen at this point of the season. I expect minor tweaks here and there but nothing major until the offseason if such changes are necessary.
I'm not taking Colombo's side on this, but my guess he's forgotten more about OL play and techniques than Judge will ever know. So I could see him being a bit annoyed at this first time head coach (at any level) questioning his expertise and teaching methods.
That doesn't absolve Colombo of these reported antics, but I can see the human nature part of this. And if Garrett directly hired Colombo.
is reminiscent of how new management typically behaves in my industry (magazine publishing). I've experienced it myself and heard stories from an old timer.
The new guys come in, they tell you everything you were doing was wrong, you're all idiots, everything has to be our way. Which isn't entirely nuts, because if you were thriving before, you wouldn't be under new management.
However what typically happens is that over a period of time, the new guys figure out that you were doing things your way for a reason. They bump into those reasons and discover you're not all idiots. Sometimes they find they have to pivot and quickly re-adopt some of your old methods after about six months. Sometimes it takes longer and they quietly backtrack.
it makes sense for Judge to come in with an attitude that basically amounts to "Giants stink, Patriots rule, I'm here to make the Giants into the Patriots." But that doesn't necessarily work for every player, coach, play design or technique. Every situation is different.
RE: Michael Silver graduated from Cal Berkeley ...
which is nice. Problem is the HC is watching film of his QB getting killed every pass attempt. Fix it or hit the highway. I'm with Judge on this. Everyone is accountable. Results count more than feelings or developing a new technique.
On one side it seems clear that Colombo disrespected Judge and forced him to make a decision. But on the other side, we have been seeing an OL with some steady improvement under Colombo, and reports that the players liked him. I don't think this is a good look for Judge.
On the other hand, you have reports that the improvement started when Judge started getting more involved with the OL.
Honestly, I don't know who to believe. I guess we'll see how it works out.
Exactly. This will continue to play out as everybody in the media wants to get clicks and who knows what allegations are next. My hope is that this is change for the better. I'm worried that the progress we've seen from the OL may be hampered, but we are 3 and 7 and not exactly world beaters. Hoping Judge is right with DD and the players can move on.
It's amazing how these outsider Sportswriters with zero ties to the Giants somehow come up with these stories. The first guy who claimed there was a fight has literal not posted one follow up tweet to it after he got busted for being wrong
RE: Keep in mind the Giants just played Tampa Bay.
and it seemed like a good point. One of Silver's points mentioned the OL being "confused" by Judge's decision to bring in DeGug (prior to Colombo's firing).
This makes no sense. DeGug would've needed to clear COVID protocol before being allowed in the building. Why would anyone have been confused by it? They might not even have known about it. The reports of the argument between Judge and Colombo suggest that MC was blindsided by the decision to bring in someone new to consult/
Head Coach is publicly killing the kid who almost all believe has improved lately now why not chastise him from way back in games 1-6. These guys go to war for the coaches and team we can’t blame a positional coach for trying to help his player if he feels it’s not right. I always say you can’t learn much on the bench but slamming a young guy in the film room will that really help his development going forward. As a player would you not feel even more responsible to your positional coach if he’s willing to fight for you.
RE: RE: I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss a report like this.
On one side it seems clear that Colombo disrespected Judge and forced him to make a decision. But on the other side, we have been seeing an OL with some steady improvement under Colombo, and reports that the players liked him. I don't think this is a good look for Judge.
Would it have been a good look for Judge if he kept a coach around who continuously disrespects him in front of his players?
Of course not, but what it seems like some here are so willing to overlook are the reasons why Colombo would have became so outspoken towards Judge to begin with. It sounds like Judge was stepping all over his toes even before the decision to bring in somebody from the outside. That's not a healthy situation for an assistant coach to function in. If Judge didn't like the way Colombo was doing things then he should have fired him before it got to this point.
RE: RE: Keep in mind the Giants just played Tampa Bay.
Of course not, but what it seems like some here are so willing to overlook are the reasons why Colombo would have became so outspoken towards Judge to begin with. It sounds like Judge was stepping all over his toes even before the decision to bring in somebody from the outside. That's not a healthy situation for an assistant coach to function in. If Judge didn't like the way Colombo was doing things then he should have fired him before it got to this point.
By the same logic, why didn't Colombo quit when Judge started stepping on his toes, if it was such an "unhealthy situation?"
RE: RE: I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss a report like this.
On one side it seems clear that Colombo disrespected Judge and forced him to make a decision. But on the other side, we have been seeing an OL with some steady improvement under Colombo, and reports that the players liked him. I don't think this is a good look for Judge.
On the other hand, you have reports that the improvement started when Judge started getting more involved with the OL.
Honestly, I don't know who to believe. I guess we'll see how it works out.
if Judge has been getting involved in the oline then I would think some players figured there was something brewing already.
“We’re just hearing about the divorce. The kids know about the marriage.”
It's amazing how these outsider Sportswriters with zero ties to the Giants somehow come up with these stories. The first guy who claimed there was a fight has literal not posted one follow up tweet to it after he got busted for being wrong
Yeah I think its worth noting that based on his twitter it doesn't look like Mike Silver actively writes anymore - just seems to host a podcast and make occasional appearances on NFL Network, and Jason McIntyre is also just a podcast host with occasional tv bits. They don't have to uphold the reputation of any institutions that employ them in the way a reporter would.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss a report like this.
Of course not, but what it seems like some here are so willing to overlook are the reasons why Colombo would have became so outspoken towards Judge to begin with. It sounds like Judge was stepping all over his toes even before the decision to bring in somebody from the outside. That's not a healthy situation for an assistant coach to function in. If Judge didn't like the way Colombo was doing things then he should have fired him before it got to this point.
By the same logic, why didn't Colombo quit when Judge started stepping on his toes, if it was such an "unhealthy situation?"
Have you never stuck it out continuing to work at a job with a shitty boss?
Actually just checked and he seems to have this very weird love affair with Tom Brady, wouldn't be surprised if there is a personal connection there. Lol perfect opportunity to throw in some stuff about your boy that has nothing to do with the situation at all!
But yeah, why would judge bring up Tom Brady? What does that have to do with the Giants?
Actually just checked and he seems to have this very weird love affair with Tom Brady, wouldn't be surprised if there is a personal connection there. Lol perfect opportunity to throw in some stuff about your boy that has nothing to do with the situation at all!
That was a curve ball...Indeed.
Like I mentioned, it was interesting how the OL started to embrace Colombo's approach and were finding their "zone". And now there be confusion going forward about techniques, calls, etc...
Good for him
Maybe he's talked with players, too.
Second the most important thing from here forward is going to be the performance of the OL. Just as the most important thing this season was their improvement the last couple weeks (especially Thomas). Either Judge is self sabotaging or making the right decision for the team going forward. We've seen Judge make 100's of decisions big and small since he was hired - I wouldn't describe many if any as being self sabotaging. Doesn't mean this one isn't but there's an obvious squeaky wheel throwing off a lot of excuses and appearing more unprofessional with every new story that's coming out.
On the other hand, you have reports that the improvement started when Judge started getting more involved with the OL.
Honestly, I don't know who to believe. I guess we'll see how it works out.
There are also reports (I don't know if they all stemmed from the same person) that Judge is the one that took matters into his hands with the O-line and that's why it's better.
Agreed.
Poor timing to make this particular move. Not overly enamored about need for Patriots compadres.
Hope it doesn’t cause the oline to regress
Columbo, however has come across as a dick, to me, and you don’t go around calling your boss a see-you-next-Tuesday in a hob where the HC is always going to look to retain respect.
If the parts about correcting Gates' technique and criticizing Thomas on film is true then Colombo is a real ass. This is Judge's team and if he wants to correct something he has every right to do so. Colombo was clearly creating a divide in the locker room of his guys (the OL) versus the HC. You cannot have that in any locker room if you want to be successful.
What Colombo should have done was have a discussion in private with Judge to express his view point. Undermining the HC authority and openly disrespecting him in front of his players is grounds for immediate dismissal.
I was sad to see Colombo go but after finding out all of this recent information I am glad that Judge made the decision.
I also think that Judge is not going to allow Deguglielmo to drastically alter the technique of the offensive linemen at this point of the season. I expect minor tweaks here and there but nothing major until the offseason if such changes are necessary.
Isn't that very transparently the apparent motivation of whoever this source is? To make Judge look bad.
Again, not saying this is the right call or wrong call, that answer remains to be seen. Just pointing out there's clearly someone with an axe to grind.
Would it have been a good look for Judge if he kept a coach around who continuously disrespects him in front of his players?
Also Thomas has been worst of the big four tackles so I would hope they’re riding him. He was the fourth pick in the draft, we need more.
That he's smart and well educated?
Maybe Columbo felt threatened and over reacted.
Head Coaches (All Coaches) are Bullet Proof with their players when they win, and when their players believe that the Coach is making Them and The team better. Being Prickly or Easy or ANYTHING ELSE doesn't Matter.
I can see Colombo being popular with the players, being a former player himself. But these reports hinting at discontent with Judge among the players don't jive with what we're seeing. When the team was 0-5 and 1-7, we weren't hearing boo from the players about the coaches having an attitude problem.
If the parts about correcting Gates' technique and criticizing Thomas on film is true then Colombo is a real ass. This is Judge's team and if he wants to correct something he has every right to do so. Colombo was clearly creating a divide in the locker room of his guys (the OL) versus the HC. You cannot have that in any locker room if you want to be successful.
What Colombo should have done was have a discussion in private with Judge to express his view point. Undermining the HC authority and openly disrespecting him in front of his players is grounds for immediate dismissal.
I was sad to see Colombo go but after finding out all of this recent information I am glad that Judge made the decision.
I also think that Judge is not going to allow Deguglielmo to drastically alter the technique of the offensive linemen at this point of the season. I expect minor tweaks here and there but nothing major until the offseason if such changes are necessary.
I'm not taking Colombo's side on this, but my guess he's forgotten more about OL play and techniques than Judge will ever know. So I could see him being a bit annoyed at this first time head coach (at any level) questioning his expertise and teaching methods.
That doesn't absolve Colombo of these reported antics, but I can see the human nature part of this. And if Garrett directly hired Colombo.
The new guys come in, they tell you everything you were doing was wrong, you're all idiots, everything has to be our way. Which isn't entirely nuts, because if you were thriving before, you wouldn't be under new management.
However what typically happens is that over a period of time, the new guys figure out that you were doing things your way for a reason. They bump into those reasons and discover you're not all idiots. Sometimes they find they have to pivot and quickly re-adopt some of your old methods after about six months. Sometimes it takes longer and they quietly backtrack.
it makes sense for Judge to come in with an attitude that basically amounts to "Giants stink, Patriots rule, I'm here to make the Giants into the Patriots." But that doesn't necessarily work for every player, coach, play design or technique. Every situation is different.
That he's a heck of a lot smarter than you?
How will we ever survive without Marc Columbia? The agony...
great point. Makes sense. Just seems like sour grapes and out of context until you think that Colombo has an axe to grind
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On one side it seems clear that Colombo disrespected Judge and forced him to make a decision. But on the other side, we have been seeing an OL with some steady improvement under Colombo, and reports that the players liked him. I don't think this is a good look for Judge.
On the other hand, you have reports that the improvement started when Judge started getting more involved with the OL.
Honestly, I don't know who to believe. I guess we'll see how it works out.
Exactly. This will continue to play out as everybody in the media wants to get clicks and who knows what allegations are next. My hope is that this is change for the better. I'm worried that the progress we've seen from the OL may be hampered, but we are 3 and 7 and not exactly world beaters. Hoping Judge is right with DD and the players can move on.
Doesn't matter if they were playing better and/or just beat a hated rival team for the first time in years.
Fuck this guy, Colombo..
Great point. The leaks re: Brady seem really weak and like they were intended to generate outrage. Really low rent move (presumably by Columbo).
This makes no sense. DeGug would've needed to clear COVID protocol before being allowed in the building. Why would anyone have been confused by it? They might not even have known about it. The reports of the argument between Judge and Colombo suggest that MC was blindsided by the decision to bring in someone new to consult/
And to think all this time we were just a good OL asst coach away from building an OL. And now it’s gone, again.
It’s hunting season I see.
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On one side it seems clear that Colombo disrespected Judge and forced him to make a decision. But on the other side, we have been seeing an OL with some steady improvement under Colombo, and reports that the players liked him. I don't think this is a good look for Judge.
Would it have been a good look for Judge if he kept a coach around who continuously disrespects him in front of his players?
Of course not, but what it seems like some here are so willing to overlook are the reasons why Colombo would have became so outspoken towards Judge to begin with. It sounds like Judge was stepping all over his toes even before the decision to bring in somebody from the outside. That's not a healthy situation for an assistant coach to function in. If Judge didn't like the way Colombo was doing things then he should have fired him before it got to this point.
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The coaches were probably talking about Brady's weaknesses while game planning, and Colombo is spilling the beans about what was said.
Great point. The leaks re: Brady seem really weak and like they were intended to generate outrage. Really low rent move (presumably by Columbo).
This makes a helluva lot sense. Stop it! There’s no place for that here!
Of course not, but what it seems like some here are so willing to overlook are the reasons why Colombo would have became so outspoken towards Judge to begin with. It sounds like Judge was stepping all over his toes even before the decision to bring in somebody from the outside. That's not a healthy situation for an assistant coach to function in. If Judge didn't like the way Colombo was doing things then he should have fired him before it got to this point.
By the same logic, why didn't Colombo quit when Judge started stepping on his toes, if it was such an "unhealthy situation?"
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On one side it seems clear that Colombo disrespected Judge and forced him to make a decision. But on the other side, we have been seeing an OL with some steady improvement under Colombo, and reports that the players liked him. I don't think this is a good look for Judge.
On the other hand, you have reports that the improvement started when Judge started getting more involved with the OL.
Honestly, I don't know who to believe. I guess we'll see how it works out.
“We’re just hearing about the divorce. The kids know about the marriage.”
Yeah I think its worth noting that based on his twitter it doesn't look like Mike Silver actively writes anymore - just seems to host a podcast and make occasional appearances on NFL Network, and Jason McIntyre is also just a podcast host with occasional tv bits. They don't have to uphold the reputation of any institutions that employ them in the way a reporter would.
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Of course not, but what it seems like some here are so willing to overlook are the reasons why Colombo would have became so outspoken towards Judge to begin with. It sounds like Judge was stepping all over his toes even before the decision to bring in somebody from the outside. That's not a healthy situation for an assistant coach to function in. If Judge didn't like the way Colombo was doing things then he should have fired him before it got to this point.
By the same logic, why didn't Colombo quit when Judge started stepping on his toes, if it was such an "unhealthy situation?"
Have you never stuck it out continuing to work at a job with a shitty boss?