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All of this Judge/Colombo Punditry is really pointless

Essex : 11/20/2020 5:08 pm
Nobody knows how the team will react. Most people on here seem to think how great it is for Judge to assert himself. And, of course, maybe that is correct. On the other hand, maybe the OL guys like Colombo and will resent Judge.

The point is the people saying the love this are full of it and the People saying they hate this are full of it. Nobody knows the reaction of the team and how it will sit with them.

My personal opinion, from what has been reported (which is obviously leaked with a purpose to put each side in the best light possible), is that Colombo was being insubordinate of his role and Judge was right to fire him. Whether the players see it that way (and that is the only people who really matter) is something that we have not the slightest clue about.

Screw it. If they don't like it,  
MOOPS : 11/20/2020 5:45 pm : link
we'll get a new Offensive Line. How hard could that be?
Columbo  
Thegratefulhead : 11/20/2020 5:58 pm : link
Not here long enough that players are going to but hurt. Also, they kinda sucked so far this year until very recently. In my experience the employees will blame the outgoing manager for their poor performance early in the year once his ass is out the door for a couple weeks. You will start hearing whispers.
The way Nick Gates celebrated  
gidiefor : Mod : 11/20/2020 6:08 pm : link
after the rushing touchdown -- he benefited greatly from Judge's pointers -- the linemen are not fools -- they are going to know which side their bread is buttered on
Judge wouldn't have decided to bring in DD  
CT Charlie : 11/20/2020 8:33 pm : link
if he thought the guys loved Colombo and were learning a lot from him. And I think Colombo saw the handwriting on the wall.
RE: Judge wouldn't have decided to bring in DD  
BelieveJJ : 11/21/2020 1:43 am : link
In comment 15052661 CT Charlie said:
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if he thought the guys loved Colombo and were learning a lot from him. And I think Colombo saw the handwriting on the wall.


Agree with your last two points about "if the OL was learning a ton from Colombo" and that Colombo saw himself getting shit canned and replaced by DD eventually, but the part about "if the OL loved Colombo he wouldn't have canned him" IMO is irrelevant.

IIRC, Mike Wauffle, the Giants well tenured and successful DL coach, was canned at least partly because he "got too close with" his players.

Liking the coach doesn't matter one bit in JJ's eyes I imagine. Learning from said coach does.

My 2 cents.
We care that players on an underperforming OL...  
EricJ : 11/21/2020 6:10 am : link
"love" their position coach?

Who cares how they play on Sunday, as long as they are happy. I want to see HUGS with the coach on the sideline after they let someone through on 3rd down to sack Jones.
RE: We care that players on an underperforming OL...  
Essex : 11/21/2020 8:43 am : link
In comment 15052827 EricJ said:
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"love" their position coach?

Who cares how they play on Sunday, as long as they are happy. I want to see HUGS with the coach on the sideline after they let someone through on 3rd down to sack Jones.

No, but these are human beings who form personal relationships and as long as the Giants keep winning (I can’t believe I just wrote thaf but we won 2 in a row!) all will be fine, but when teams lose players start opting out on the coach, especially if they feel like they did one of their coaches wrong. I am not saying that Judge did Colombo wrong. Everything I have read shows Judge was completely justified in terminating the poor performing, insubordinate Colombo. My only point is that my opinion doesn’t count and the only opinion that does is inside the Giants locker room and we have not the slightest clue how they feel.
This is a good, positive post ...  
Spider56 : 11/21/2020 9:05 am : link
We don’t know all the facts or how the players ‘feel’. The key is how they now react to the new coach, his approach, and how this translates into them kicking ass the rest of the year. My concern is with the youth factor, 4 rookies on the active roster + 3 other really young guys. They are the future strength of the team and this move can either speed their development or hinder it. The vets, Zeitler, Fleming and Pulley, and should be able to roll with this, and hopefully help the young’ us.
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