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Judge frankly has not done enough to act the way he acts.

cpgiants : 11/20/2020 9:05 pm
Im all in on Joe Judge, but I am against changing anything when things are going good like the last 2 games.

I think we will be fine but if things go sour, you got a 3 win rookie coach who definitely put himself at risk of losing the team with this thing.

Parcells and Coughlin together have more Super Bowls than this guy has wins....

It was a calculated risk, firing an O line coach after you are done facing all of your toughest Defensive lines. But it could go all wrong.

He seems to avoid drama at all costs.....could this have been kept "in house"? What happened to handling things internally?

Now the microscope is on, and I guess we will see what happens....
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RE: It's just an OP with an opinion  
UConn4523 : 11/21/2020 9:38 am : link
In comment 15052847 LBH15 said:
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that may not be wrong, but certainly fine to give.


All opinions aren’t equal. There’s ones that are rooted in reason and others that seem to pull shit from the sky. There’s others that are based off lies.

All fine to give but certain ones can and will cause the poster to take shit.

Depending on which story you believe Judge is either a tyrant or a HC running his team with a unique vision and purpose. I know which one I believe and if you believe the other I guess that’s your right. But there’s no proof of it at all.
RE: RE: It's just an OP with an opinion  
LBH15 : 11/21/2020 9:47 am : link
In comment 15052887 UConn4523 said:
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In comment 15052847 LBH15 said:


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that may not be wrong, but certainly fine to give.



All opinions aren’t equal. There’s ones that are rooted in reason and others that seem to pull shit from the sky. There’s others that are based off lies.

All fine to give but certain ones can and will cause the poster to take shit.

Depending on which story you believe Judge is either a tyrant or a HC running his team with a unique vision and purpose. I know which one I believe and if you believe the other I guess that’s your right. But there’s no proof of it at all.


Again, I believe the opinions stated within this OP are fine.

RE: RE: It's just an OP with an opinion  
PatersonPlank : 11/21/2020 10:12 am : link
In comment 15052887 UConn4523 said:
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In comment 15052847 LBH15 said:


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that may not be wrong, but certainly fine to give.



All opinions aren’t equal. There’s ones that are rooted in reason and others that seem to pull shit from the sky. There’s others that are based off lies.

All fine to give but certain ones can and will cause the poster to take shit.

Depending on which story you believe Judge is either a tyrant or a HC running his team with a unique vision and purpose. I know which one I believe and if you believe the other I guess that’s your right. But there’s no proof of it at all.


And who becomes the arbiter of which opinion "deserve" to be heard and which don't? Its a slippery slope
RE: RE: RE: It's just an OP with an opinion  
BigBlueShock : 11/21/2020 10:13 am : link
In comment 15052890 LBH15 said:
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In comment 15052887 UConn4523 said:


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In comment 15052847 LBH15 said:


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that may not be wrong, but certainly fine to give.



All opinions aren’t equal. There’s ones that are rooted in reason and others that seem to pull shit from the sky. There’s others that are based off lies.

All fine to give but certain ones can and will cause the poster to take shit.

Depending on which story you believe Judge is either a tyrant or a HC running his team with a unique vision and purpose. I know which one I believe and if you believe the other I guess that’s your right. But there’s no proof of it at all.



Again, I believe the opinions stated within this OP are fine.

Googs, If someone is going to start a thread and title it “Judge frankly has not done enough to act the way he acts” he needs to at least provide us with some evidence as to how exactly Judge is acting. He’s been asked several times and refuses to respond. So, how is Judge acting? And what the hell does it mean that he hasn’t done enough to act whatever way the op thinks he’s acting? He’s the one that started the thread so why isn’t he answering the damn questions? He didn’t simply post something buried in a thread. He started a thread. Opinions are fine. Uneducated opinions that you can’t back up or are unwilling to back up are trash opinions. Sure he’s allowed to have them. But you seem more concerned about the responses to the op. Which isn’t surprising...
I really don’t understand the concern  
Emil : 11/21/2020 10:14 am : link
For the first 7 weeks of the season the Giants OL looked as bad as ever. And the #4 pick overall was horrible.

Judge takes a hands on approach and the OL starts improving. Significantly. He corrects a technique issue with Gates, Colombo apparently didn’t like that and openly disagreed. Judge then corrects Colombo. (You never openly disagree with the head man in public. Private sure. But never public.)

Judges brings in Guglielmo to “consult”. He knows him. He trusts him. He knows he will teach it the way he wants it. Colombo doesn’t like this and has a fiery confrontation with Judge. Colombo is fired. Not like Colombo was turning out positive results.

Sounds like people want it both ways. They want a tough, detail oriented, smart team and coaching staff but not the accountability and attitude that come with that. Everyone wants Bill Belichick or Nick Saban like results but they’d like it with a velvet hammer and without the attitude. Well that’s not how life works most of the time.

And we’ve been a lousy football team for 8 years. Let’s put this in perspective. Judge is easily the best HC since Coughlin.

As I just said on another thread  
Big Al : 11/21/2020 10:56 am : link
I wonder whether certain posters have any experience in a real organization where management changes.
RE: RE: RE: RE: It's just an OP with an opinion  
LBH15 : 11/21/2020 11:29 am : link
In comment 15052910 BigBlueShock said:
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In comment 15052890 LBH15 said:


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In comment 15052887 UConn4523 said:


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In comment 15052847 LBH15 said:


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that may not be wrong, but certainly fine to give.



All opinions aren’t equal. There’s ones that are rooted in reason and others that seem to pull shit from the sky. There’s others that are based off lies.

All fine to give but certain ones can and will cause the poster to take shit.

Depending on which story you believe Judge is either a tyrant or a HC running his team with a unique vision and purpose. I know which one I believe and if you believe the other I guess that’s your right. But there’s no proof of it at all.



Again, I believe the opinions stated within this OP are fine.



Googs, If someone is going to start a thread and title it “Judge frankly has not done enough to act the way he acts” he needs to at least provide us with some evidence as to how exactly Judge is acting. He’s been asked several times and refuses to respond. So, how is Judge acting? And what the hell does it mean that he hasn’t done enough to act whatever way the op thinks he’s acting? He’s the one that started the thread so why isn’t he answering the damn questions? He didn’t simply post something buried in a thread. He started a thread. Opinions are fine. Uneducated opinions that you can’t back up or are unwilling to back up are trash opinions. Sure he’s allowed to have them. But you seem more concerned about the responses to the op. Which isn’t surprising...


Not googs fyi.

And my post had nothing to do with how the Original Poster responds to other posters' questions in-thread nor do I think he is required to do so. And since when does any OP need to provide support to or back up an opinion, particularly for a situation like this one. He threw out a bit of spicy view and folks can chime in accordingly. It's not like any of them have all the facts either.

What's surprising is anybody trying to suppress a fair view or opinion which is what I took it to be.
RE: RE: RE: It's just an OP with an opinion  
LBH15 : 11/21/2020 11:30 am : link
In comment 15052909 PatersonPlank said:
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In comment 15052887 UConn4523 said:


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In comment 15052847 LBH15 said:


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that may not be wrong, but certainly fine to give.



All opinions aren’t equal. There’s ones that are rooted in reason and others that seem to pull shit from the sky. There’s others that are based off lies.

All fine to give but certain ones can and will cause the poster to take shit.

Depending on which story you believe Judge is either a tyrant or a HC running his team with a unique vision and purpose. I know which one I believe and if you believe the other I guess that’s your right. But there’s no proof of it at all.



And who becomes the arbiter of which opinion "deserve" to be heard and which don't? Its a slippery slope


Sounds like bigblueshock wants that job.
Stirring the Pot Thread  
Bavaro_the_Mafioso : 11/21/2020 11:33 am : link
Judge is the boss and makes the decision he best sees fit. This is what a CEO does in every industry, in every capacity.
RE: Stirring the Pot Thread  
LBH15 : 11/21/2020 11:54 am : link
In comment 15052966 Bavaro_the_Mafioso said:
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Certainly it was to some degree, and sometimes they also make for decent debates.

What the hell would you guys rather talk about...how Peart has Covid?
Paterson  
UConn4523 : 11/21/2020 12:13 pm : link
me. That’s what’s great about opinions, I get to decide for myself which to take seriously and which to ignore.

Op is free to post whatever he wants under the Ts and Cs of BBI, doesn’t mean others can’t point out flaws in the opinion.
RE: Paterson  
LBH15 : 11/21/2020 1:23 pm : link
In comment 15052987 UConn4523 said:
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me. That’s what’s great about opinions, I get to decide for myself which to take seriously and which to ignore.

Op is free to post whatever he wants under the Ts and Cs of BBI, doesn’t mean others can’t point out flaws in the opinion.


Totally agree. Just looks like a few of the folks responding very early in this thread weren't pointing out anything other than their own flaws.
When I  
Photoguy : 11/21/2020 1:27 pm : link
first heard about this, I was shocked and a wee bit concerned, but after some thought, I look at it as kind of a speed bump. And it lets everyone know exactly who's running the show here. I'm 100% in on Coach Judge, and whatever he has to do to get this team right, is fine by me.
The ideas presented by the OP  
j_rud : 11/21/2020 1:59 pm : link
Are a great example of what can happen when a journalist with a pretty obvious and traceable bias reaches an audience that doesnt list critical thinking skills as a strong suit.

The only article that has been critical of Judge was the piece by Silver that said he was "haughty" and "off-putting to some in the organization". First off assertiveness, confidence, whatever you want to call it, will almost always rub some people the wrong way. Especially in leadership positions.

Second, some people in the Giants organization dont like Judge? Shocker! Here's a news flash: very, very few people are loved by all. Even fewer tasked with leading any kind of team or organization. You can literally make that claim about any coach the Giants have ever had or any current head coach in the league. From the established Belichick's and Tomlin's to the newer HCslike Fangio and Kingsbury...someone-multiple people-in those buildings dont like those guys.

Bottom line: the head coach had to step in to help a struggling unit. The position coach encouraged insubordination from a player and was openly insubordinate himself, culminating in a shouting match and name-calling. There aint a job in the world where that isn't going to be a problem, especially one where there are literally only 32 positions available at any given time.

If McAdoo or Shurmur had this issue theyd shuffle deck chairs as the ship continued to sink. Thank God the owners managed to get out of their own way ajd find a guy with a set if grapes. This hand-wringing is absurd.
RE: The ideas presented by the OP  
montanagiant : 11/21/2020 2:03 pm : link
In comment 15053083 j_rud said:
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Are a great example of what can happen when a journalist with a pretty obvious and traceable bias reaches an audience that doesnt list critical thinking skills as a strong suit.

The only article that has been critical of Judge was the piece by Silver that said he was "haughty" and "off-putting to some in the organization". First off assertiveness, confidence, whatever you want to call it, will almost always rub some people the wrong way. Especially in leadership positions.

Second, some people in the Giants organization dont like Judge? Shocker! Here's a news flash: very, very few people are loved by all. Even fewer tasked with leading any kind of team or organization. You can literally make that claim about any coach the Giants have ever had or any current head coach in the league. From the established Belichick's and Tomlin's to the newer HCslike Fangio and Kingsbury...someone-multiple people-in those buildings dont like those guys.

Bottom line: the head coach had to step in to help a struggling unit. The position coach encouraged insubordination from a player and was openly insubordinate himself, culminating in a shouting match and name-calling. There aint a job in the world where that isn't going to be a problem, especially one where there are literally only 32 positions available at any given time.

If McAdoo or Shurmur had this issue theyd shuffle deck chairs as the ship continued to sink. Thank God the owners managed to get out of their own way ajd find a guy with a set if grapes. This hand-wringing is absurd.

Perfectly stated, +1
RE: RE: We’re al excited about judge and think he’s the guy  
FStubbs : 11/21/2020 2:19 pm : link
In comment 15052720 Eric from BBI said:
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But frankly the OP is right and this and his supposed cockiness(if true) is something that can turn people off quickly. Think about it, say one of the leaders of the team gets into it and players think judge is in the wrong. That kind of shit wears thin quickly. Hope this is all a moot point cause I really like JJ



What cockiness are you talking about? WTF are you guys even talking about?


I don't know what people are talking about. He's just a guy with a 3-7 record who has an extremely poor roster playing competitive football.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: It's just an OP with an opinion  
BubbaMojo : 11/21/2020 2:37 pm : link
In comment 15052961 LBH15 said:
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In comment 15052890 LBH15 said:


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In comment 15052887 UConn4523 said:


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that may not be wrong, but certainly fine to give.



All opinions aren’t equal. There’s ones that are rooted in reason and others that seem to pull shit from the sky. There’s others that are based off lies.

All fine to give but certain ones can and will cause the poster to take shit.

Depending on which story you believe Judge is either a tyrant or a HC running his team with a unique vision and purpose. I know which one I believe and if you believe the other I guess that’s your right. But there’s no proof of it at all.



Again, I believe the opinions stated within this OP are fine.



Googs, If someone is going to start a thread and title it “Judge frankly has not done enough to act the way he acts” he needs to at least provide us with some evidence as to how exactly Judge is acting. He’s been asked several times and refuses to respond. So, how is Judge acting? And what the hell does it mean that he hasn’t done enough to act whatever way the op thinks he’s acting? He’s the one that started the thread so why isn’t he answering the damn questions? He didn’t simply post something buried in a thread. He started a thread. Opinions are fine. Uneducated opinions that you can’t back up or are unwilling to back up are trash opinions. Sure he’s allowed to have them. But you seem more concerned about the responses to the op. Which isn’t surprising...



Not googs fyi.

And my post had nothing to do with how the Original Poster responds to other posters' questions in-thread nor do I think he is required to do so. And since when does any OP need to provide support to or back up an opinion, particularly for a situation like this one. He threw out a bit of spicy view and folks can chime in accordingly. It's not like any of them have all the facts either.

What's surprising is anybody trying to suppress a fair view or opinion which is what I took it to be.


Oh, you are definitely Jimmy Googs. Might s well stop denying it nobody believes you.
Nope  
LBH15 : 11/21/2020 2:51 pm : link
but you can post something meaningful anytime now.
Judge  
Les in TO : 11/21/2020 3:13 pm : link
Had no choice. Colombo repeatedly undermined him in front of others. You try telling your boss to f-off in front of your colleagues and see what happens.
He's the head coach  
upnyg : 11/21/2020 3:49 pm : link
He can fire his staff if he chooses. He's not going anywhere.
Yes Judge can do what he wants  
PatersonPlank : 11/21/2020 3:57 pm : link
However he better not lose the players in doing it. Anytime you replace a manager you always worry about how it will effect the employees underneath. Here is no different. Frankly I, and anyone here, don't know if the OL players will care about this or not. That is my only concern.
RE: Yes Judge can do what he wants  
GmanND : 11/21/2020 4:57 pm : link
In comment 15053169 PatersonPlank said:
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However he better not lose the players in doing it. Anytime you replace a manager you always worry about how it will effect the employees underneath. Here is no different. Frankly I, and anyone here, don't know if the OL players will care about this or not. That is my only concern.


What if the employees have only been on the job with that manager for about 8-10 weeks and their team/units performance threatens to put the company out of business... You might be stretching the similarities a bit here.
RE: Yes Judge can do what he wants  
BigBlueShock : 11/21/2020 5:52 pm : link
In comment 15053169 PatersonPlank said:
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However he better not lose the players in doing it. Anytime you replace a manager you always worry about how it will effect the employees underneath. Here is no different. Frankly I, and anyone here, don't know if the OL players will care about this or not. That is my only concern.

You are WAY overthinking this. Coaches get fired in the NFL all the time. Has there ever been a complete meltdown by the players following one of these firings? Let alone a position coach that has been around all of about 10 weeks? Exactly which OLineman on this team do you think is comfortable enough to lead this rebellion?
RE: and  
Fishmanjim57 : 11/21/2020 7:07 pm : link
In comment 15052709 Eric from BBI said:
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what is this "the way he acts" you speak of?


That you for asking that question, Eric. I was thinking the same.
RE: Nope  
BubbaMojo : 11/21/2020 7:27 pm : link
In comment 15053119 LBH15 said:
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but you can post something meaningful anytime now.


Yep. Jimmy Googs = LBH15
RE: RE: RE: It's just an OP with an opinion  
chopperhatch : 11/21/2020 7:47 pm : link
In comment 15052909 PatersonPlank said:
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In comment 15052847 LBH15 said:


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that may not be wrong, but certainly fine to give.



All opinions aren’t equal. There’s ones that are rooted in reason and others that seem to pull shit from the sky. There’s others that are based off lies.

All fine to give but certain ones can and will cause the poster to take shit.

Depending on which story you believe Judge is either a tyrant or a HC running his team with a unique vision and purpose. I know which one I believe and if you believe the other I guess that’s your right. But there’s no proof of it at all.



And who becomes the arbiter of which opinion "deserve" to be heard and which don't? Its a slippery slope


Not really. The OP fails to mention pertinent claims from respected reporters (who have far more access than most of us fans) as well as at least one insider who said that Columbo engaged Judge in a loud confrontation with his boss inculding calling him a vulgar name and physical content. This is in addition to Judge having spent more time coaching the O line himself because he wasnt happy with what Columbo was doing. This doesnt sound like a head coach who acted impulsively as the OP is intimating.

FRANKLY, his opinion I actually think is not worthy to consider.
RE: RE: Nope  
LBH15 : 11/21/2020 9:37 pm : link
In comment 15053314 BubbaMojo said:
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but you can post something meaningful anytime now.



Yep. Jimmy Googs = LBH15


Yaah!... keep it going from a true dupe himself. No posts whatsoever other than this. Probably posting on this same thread under another name. Too cool.
Marc Columbo...  
SirYesSir : 11/21/2020 10:31 pm : link
dis you?
RE: RE: RE: Nope  
BubbaMojo : 11/22/2020 8:48 am : link
In comment 15053384 LBH15 said:
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In comment 15053119 LBH15 said:


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but you can post something meaningful anytime now.



Yep. Jimmy Googs = LBH15



Yaah!... keep it going from a true dupe himself. No posts whatsoever other than this. Probably posting on this same thread under another name. Too cool.


Not a dupe, just primarily a lurker. I guess I’ve made it my mission for everybody to know who you really are. I understand it’s probably annoying from your point of view. I’d go away if you’d finally just admit it.

LBH15 = Jimmy Googs. 100%.
Bubba Mojo = Clown  
LBH15 : 11/22/2020 8:51 am : link



RE: Bubba Mojo = Clown  
BubbaMojo : 11/22/2020 8:54 am : link
In comment 15053499 LBH15 said:
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That was a quick (and funny) response Googs! Touché!
BubbaMojo = Clown  
LBH15 : 11/22/2020 8:56 am : link

BubbaMojo = Clown  
LBH15 : 11/22/2020 8:59 am : link

RE: BubbaMojo = Clown  
BubbaMojo : 11/22/2020 9:05 am : link
In comment 15053504 LBH15 said:
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Jimmy Googs torpedoing another thread. Just admit it Jimmy!
Bubba Mojo = The Trolling Clown  
LBH15 : 11/22/2020 9:08 am : link








RE: Bubba Mojo = The Trolling Clown  
BubbaMojo : 11/22/2020 9:11 am : link
In comment 15053509 LBH15 said:
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I can admit I’m a clown. Can you admit you are Jimmy Googs?
BubbaMojo  
LBH15 : 11/22/2020 9:14 am : link


This..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/22/2020 9:57 am : link
is yet another example on why a banned troll like Googs shouldn't tell other posters what constitutes embarrassment.

A fucking trainwreck.
Yes, only you should tell posters  
LBH15 : 11/22/2020 9:59 am : link
what is an embarrassment.

lord.

RE: Yes, only you should tell posters  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/22/2020 10:48 am : link
In comment 15053554 LBH15 said:
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what is an embarrassment.

lord.


I'm not saying anything is an embarrassment. You did it on your own, Ace.
I didn't say anything was an embarrassment either that I recall.  
LBH15 : 11/22/2020 11:15 am : link
Except you of course.

Ace.
RE: Yes, only you should tell posters  
bw in dc : 11/22/2020 11:18 am : link
In comment 15053554 LBH15 said:
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what is an embarrassment.

lord.


Well, and I believe I have mentioned this before, I hope you are Googs. I was fond of Googs. Some of the best theater at BBI were the daily rows between him and the FatMan in Charlotte.

And I had Googs with a winning record over FMiC.

If you aren't, you certainly do a damn good impression... ;)
So i have heard.  
LBH15 : 11/22/2020 11:27 am : link
Nevertheless, the fmic stuff is just comic relief. He makes himself an easy target with the defend-at-all-cost attacks.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Nope  
Gatorade Dunk : 11/22/2020 12:14 pm : link
In comment 15053497 BubbaMojo said:
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but you can post something meaningful anytime now.



Yep. Jimmy Googs = LBH15



Yaah!... keep it going from a true dupe himself. No posts whatsoever other than this. Probably posting on this same thread under another name. Too cool.



Not a dupe, just primarily a lurker. I guess I’ve made it my mission for everybody to know who you really are. I understand it’s probably annoying from your point of view. I’d go away if you’d finally just admit it.

LBH15 = Jimmy Googs. 100%.

So if Googs was still here under that original handle, you would still just be a lurker?

That makes me miss Jimmy Googs.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Nope  
BubbaMojo : 11/22/2020 12:36 pm : link
In comment 15053675 Gatorade Dunk said:
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but you can post something meaningful anytime now.



Yep. Jimmy Googs = LBH15



Yaah!... keep it going from a true dupe himself. No posts whatsoever other than this. Probably posting on this same thread under another name. Too cool.



Not a dupe, just primarily a lurker. I guess I’ve made it my mission for everybody to know who you really are. I understand it’s probably annoying from your point of view. I’d go away if you’d finally just admit it.

LBH15 = Jimmy Googs. 100%.


So if Googs was still here under that original handle, you would still just be a lurker?

That makes me miss Jimmy Googs.


You don’t have to miss him, he’s LBH15. I’ll quit bothering him when he finally fesses up to the truth.
Not bothering me. But you keep changing handles  
LBH15 : 11/22/2020 12:45 pm : link
today a bit so tough to keep up. Lurker, troll, clown... whatever we should refer to you as.

I think Clown fits best.


RE: Not bothering me. But you keep changing handles  
BubbaMojo : 11/22/2020 12:57 pm : link
In comment 15053708 LBH15 said:
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today a bit so tough to keep up. Lurker, troll, clown... whatever we should refer to you as.

I think Clown fits best.




I’ve never changed handles. You think I’m Fats? That’s funny. I’m willing to prove it. Ask the kids. Are you willing to do the same with your reincarnation from Jimmy Googs? That’s what I thought.
No, I think you are Krusty. Don't you see it...look closer.  
LBH15 : 11/22/2020 1:02 pm : link

If everyone..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/22/2020 1:02 pm : link
who knows that you are Jimmy Googs on this board are the same handle - it is going to take a long, fucking time to unpack that mess.

Lord.
Sorry he bothered you so much.  
LBH15 : 11/22/2020 1:06 pm : link
Wait, everybody bothers you.
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