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Zeke's Alibi : 11/21/2020 11:55 am
Shitty day here in Florida so parking my ass in front of couch this afternoon.

Anyone got any action today? Took Indiana +21, really like what they are building over there and could easily see a backdoor cover in play with Ohio State's defense not up to their admittedly high standard.

Of course OK-OK State later is always a good one.
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Trask  
BigBlueCane : 11/21/2020 4:07 pm : link
is a better QB then Fields.

Not sure about the rest though.
Anybody hear anything on  
section125 : 11/21/2020 4:11 pm : link
why medical people in Clemson/FSU game could not agree so the game was postponed?
RE: Yeah Justin Fields has made throw in  
bw in dc : 11/21/2020 4:12 pm : link
In comment 15053173 Zeke's Alibi said:
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is maybe 1 guy breaking free every 10 plays or so. Different ball game when you are seeing it play after play. Think he's a much better prospect than Haskins still, but Haskins numbers under pressure where phenomenal. It's just that it was much rarer. Fields looked shook out there. The next time we'll get to see something like this will be the playoffs. There's no changing your mind on this guy regardless, you've made up your mind on him since he was a top overall HS prospect and that's clear. I've gone into watching him with an open mind to see if he's a guy we should be looking at. He certainly isn't this can't miss NFL prospect, in fact after today, I wouldn't be comfortable drafting him at all even if we did need a QB. He holds the ball forever and when they brought 6 or 7 his first instict is to run, that certainly won't work at the NFL level. The other thing I noticed is that he was able to physically shake people like Josh Allen out there, that won't work at NFL level either.


I agree that Field looked flustered at times. And I don't discard what happened today. Just more data to consider.

And I haven't been on Field as a can't miss since high school. I have pointed out that he's been a highly ranking prospect for much of his career. So I think he's made to handle the pressure of expectations.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Fields misssed another  
bw in dc : 11/21/2020 4:14 pm : link
In comment 15053174 section125 said:
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Whomever was announcing. It was clear who they favored. I only saw the 4th quarter and could care less who won. But the subtle comments caught my attention. Doesn't really matter in all honesty.

But if the booth review ref did not call down, doubtful it was targeting. Those guy rarely miss a bad hit.


Johnson and Klatt are pretty good and fair in my mind. Klatt, I believe, is one of the best both analysts in the game.
It’s helpful to see games where heisman hopefuls struggle.  
LBH15 : 11/21/2020 4:41 pm : link
Nothing to do with trophy itself, just suggesting when the so-called elite college players only play junior varsity teams or do not have to struggle then you don’t get the whole picture.

Big games against top competition. That’s what makes top picks.
RE: Anybody hear anything on  
markky : 11/21/2020 4:48 pm : link
In comment 15053177 section125 said:
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why medical people in Clemson/FSU game could not agree so the game was postponed?


although a player failed the 3rd party test, Clemson followed ACC protocol so they were eligible to play a/t ACC rules. the FSU medical team was not "comfortable" playing so the game is postponed.
Devonta Smith for Alabama  
LBH15 : 11/21/2020 4:58 pm : link
is creating records at WR.



RE: Devonta Smith for Alabama  
bw in dc : 11/21/2020 5:13 pm : link
In comment 15053209 LBH15 said:
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is creating records at WR.




Wait...doesn't he play with a top OL, other great WRs, a great RB, a good TE, and a very good QB?

I mean, who couldn't succeed with those pieces... ;)
RE: RE: Devonta Smith for Alabama  
LBH15 : 11/21/2020 5:14 pm : link
In comment 15053214 bw in dc said:
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is creating records at WR.






Wait...doesn't he play with a top OL, other great WRs, a great RB, a good TE, and a very good QB?

I mean, who couldn't succeed with those pieces... ;)


He’s the piece that I like best.
I was very surprised Smitty went back to Bama...  
bw in dc : 11/21/2020 5:16 pm : link
after last year. I think he would have been a top 15 pick.

Should be in that range this year...
RE: I was very surprised Smitty went back to Bama...  
LBH15 : 11/21/2020 5:20 pm : link
In comment 15053218 bw in dc said:
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after last year. I think he would have been a top 15 pick.

Should be in that range this year...


Yeah. He will be one of those names we discuss in a few months for NYG.

Not a big fan of first round WRs but nevertheless
How bad in PSU?  
bw in dc : 11/21/2020 5:21 pm : link
I'm a PSU fan and knew they were going to miss Parsons, but I didn't see this type of dip coming. They are a disaster.
RE: Trask  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/21/2020 5:23 pm : link
In comment 15053176 BigBlueCane said:
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is a better QB then Fields.

Not sure about the rest though.


Love Trask, he would be a great pick for someone with a veteran QB in place they are looking to replace in a year or two. My worries with these pure pocket passers now is that everyone is o impatient and they take longer to develop as they can't rely on their legs.
RE: How bad in PSU?  
LBH15 : 11/21/2020 5:24 pm : link
In comment 15053223 bw in dc said:
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I'm a PSU fan and knew they were going to miss Parsons, but I didn't see this type of dip coming. They are a disaster.


They look like a team on COVID
Trask  
Mark in ATL : 11/21/2020 5:30 pm : link
Is an interesting QB. Playing with a ton of weapons and but a very accurate Passer. Can’t see him going above Lawrence, Fields, or Wilson.
Took Wisky -4.5 Second Half...this game looks like  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/21/2020 5:51 pm : link
its going to finish 14-7 Jesus. Also took under 61 in OK St OK. Was thinking about hitting up the alternative line 52 for more favorable odds, but decided not to push my luck. Could easily see some defensive TDs with that patch work OL against OU's front.
RE: RE: RE: Awful by Fields.  
joeinpa : 11/21/2020 6:22 pm : link
In comment 15053147 bw in dc said:
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Straight terrible.



Anyone who watches this kid and thinks top 5 franchise QB is crazy. Looks like a classic bust.



I've been watching college football for a long time.

I saw Peyton Manning have several poor games at Tennessee. I saw Andrew Luck have play badly at Stanford.
I saw Eli Manning lay eggs at Ole Miss.
I saw Cam Newton stink it up at Auburn.
I saw Aikman look horrible at UCLA.
I saw Aaron Rodgers look average at Cal.
I saw Trevor Lawrence look ordinary at Clemson.

In other words, players have bad games. If you are expecting lights out play game after game after game, you're irrational.


Not anymore. If fans have an agenda all it takes is one bad game to prove them right, hell all it takes is one bad play.

RE: RE: RE: Awful by Fields.  
chopperhatch : 11/21/2020 6:33 pm : link
In comment 15053147 bw in dc said:
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Straight terrible.



Anyone who watches this kid and thinks top 5 franchise QB is crazy. Looks like a classic bust.



I've been watching college football for a long time.

I saw Peyton Manning have several poor games at Tennessee. I saw Andrew Luck have play badly at Stanford.
I saw Eli Manning lay eggs at Ole Miss.
I saw Cam Newton stink it up at Auburn.
I saw Aikman look horrible at UCLA.
I saw Aaron Rodgers look average at Cal.
I saw Trevor Lawrence look ordinary at Clemson.

In other words, players have bad games. If you are expecting lights out play game after game after game, you're irrational.


I dont think I can buy this argument. None of the players you mentioned in that list other than Lawrence had the NFL caliber talent around them that Fields has playing against the by far lesser competition in the current Big 10. I think nobody was drafted from Ole Miss other than Eli his draft year.

Fields has ability, but what I think I and other posters are saying is that he never overcomes adversity. Like Lawrence in that national title game was facing a Alabam D that was up in his ass all game and was an all world D personnel wise. Lawrence made significant plays when under pressure and when the defense had everything covered. Havent seen Fields do that yet.
That was an awful job by Paul Chryst of Wisconsin  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/21/2020 6:58 pm : link
Last time I bet on Wisky.
Yeah- bad play calling  
DG : 11/21/2020 7:10 pm : link
No Davis or Pryor, Ferguson banged up. No running game.
Figures that the minute the Badgers get a 5 star QB their running game disappears and their WRs are out.

Beat Minnesota next week..

COVID hurt them.
Evanston continues to be a house of horrors for Bucky.

Should have consulted with Badger fans..
Penn State could go winless  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 11/21/2020 7:35 pm : link
couldn't happen to a nicer guy than James Franklin.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Awful by Fields.  
bw in dc : 11/21/2020 7:42 pm : link
In comment 15053276 joeinpa said:
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Not anymore. If fans have an agenda all it takes is one bad game to prove them right, hell all it takes is one bad play.


That's pretty widespread across the media, too. I would imagine by Monday you will hear on national media how Fields took a major step back.

Hell, I heard it today around the third quarter when I ran an errand. I was in my truck and the host of Mad Dog radio was saying Field was looking like another "typical Ohio State QB"...just based on the fact that Field actually/finally threw an interception this year.

Unless he's completing 80% of his passes at 12+ YPA with 4 TDs and 0 INTs Fields isn't doing his job...
RE: RE: RE: RE: Awful by Fields.  
bw in dc : 11/21/2020 7:54 pm : link
In comment 15053288 chopperhatch said:
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I dont think I can buy this argument. None of the players you mentioned in that list other than Lawrence had the NFL caliber talent around them that Fields has playing against the by far lesser competition in the current Big 10. I think nobody was drafted from Ole Miss other than Eli his draft year.

Fields has ability, but what I think I and other posters are saying is that he never overcomes adversity. Like Lawrence in that national title game was facing a Alabam D that was up in his ass all game and was an all world D personnel wise. Lawrence made significant plays when under pressure and when the defense had everything covered. Havent seen Fields do that yet.


You don't think guys like Manning and Luck were surrounded by NFL talent?

Manning played with Marcus Nash, Peerless Price, Leonard Little, Shaun Ellis, Terry Fair, etc. That team was loaded.

Luck played with Tyler Gafney, Zach Wertz, Coby Fleener, Ty Montgomery, Chris Owusu, David DeCastro, Cam Fleming, Trent Murphy, etc.

Those teams were loaded.

I agree that it would help Fields to show that he can overcome more adversity. So how does he do that? Transfer to Vanderbilt?
Perkins  
MookGiants : 11/21/2020 8:23 pm : link
on Oklahoma looks like he's playing at a different speed than everyone else.
Pitt beats the Hokies 47-14  
Greg from LI : 11/21/2020 8:34 pm : link
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Awful by Fields.  
chopperhatch : 11/21/2020 9:17 pm : link
In comment 15053328 bw in dc said:
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I dont think I can buy this argument. None of the players you mentioned in that list other than Lawrence had the NFL caliber talent around them that Fields has playing against the by far lesser competition in the current Big 10. I think nobody was drafted from Ole Miss other than Eli his draft year.

Fields has ability, but what I think I and other posters are saying is that he never overcomes adversity. Like Lawrence in that national title game was facing a Alabam D that was up in his ass all game and was an all world D personnel wise. Lawrence made significant plays when under pressure and when the defense had everything covered. Havent seen Fields do that yet.



You don't think guys like Manning and Luck were surrounded by NFL talent?

Manning played with Marcus Nash, Peerless Price, Leonard Little, Shaun Ellis, Terry Fair, etc. That team was loaded.

Luck played with Tyler Gafney, Zach Wertz, Coby Fleener, Ty Montgomery, Chris Owusu, David DeCastro, Cam Fleming, Trent Murphy, etc.

Those teams were loaded.

I agree that it would help Fields to show that he can overcome more adversity. So how does he do that? Transfer to Vanderbilt?


You got me on Luck....forgot he played with Ertz and Fleener. But he was a consensus stud prospect who had everything you wanted and he was built like a brick shit house. If you are comparing Fields to Luck as a prospect because Luck had some bad games himself, dont know of I wanna go down that rabbit hole.
Regarding Peyton, you mentioned ONE offensive player on his college team that was significant....Price. The reat were defensive players.

I dont know why you constantly feel the need to dig up names to support your argument about players you like. You did the same thing with Will Grier and he is not even a thought these days.

While I was all in on Jones, I could poke wholes in others arguments citing the ding against his arm strength was unfounded and point to how great his legs are and how tpugh he is, but I dont. I regularly mention how disappointed I am in not only his lack of ball security, but his abilitiy to make quick real time decisions that could benefit the offense. I went all in on the guy, and I freely admit I might have been off in being sure about Jones. But am not afraid to say "shit, I may have been wrong about him."


Just saying you defend an opinion like it's a legacy indicator...its okay to be wrong about a player you happen to like.
To answer your last question  
chopperhatch : 11/21/2020 9:19 pm : link
It would've helped if he stayed at UGA because he knew he was a better qb than Fromm.
Jesus  
Anakim : 11/21/2020 9:22 pm : link
Michigan is an f'n disaster
RE: Jesus  
chopperhatch : 11/21/2020 10:00 pm : link
In comment 15053379 Anakim said:
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Michigan is an f'n disaster


Been that way really for years. Before they had the problem of great ATHLETES but not players (Peppers, Gary, Funchess, Shea Patterson) so they lost because of THAT. Now they just suck shit through a tube.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Awful by Fields.  
bw in dc : 11/21/2020 10:21 pm : link
In comment 15053374 chopperhatch said:
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You got me on Luck....forgot he played with Ertz and Fleener. But he was a consensus stud prospect who had everything you wanted and he was built like a brick shit house. If you are comparing Fields to Luck as a prospect because Luck had some bad games himself, dont know of I wanna go down that rabbit hole.
Regarding Peyton, you mentioned ONE offensive player on his college team that was significant....Price. The reat were defensive players.

I dont know why you constantly feel the need to dig up names to support your argument about players you like. You did the same thing with Will Grier and he is not even a thought these days.

While I was all in on Jones, I could poke wholes in others arguments citing the ding against his arm strength was unfounded and point to how great his legs are and how tpugh he is, but I dont. I regularly mention how disappointed I am in not only his lack of ball security, but his abilitiy to make quick real time decisions that could benefit the offense. I went all in on the guy, and I freely admit I might have been off in being sure about Jones. But am not afraid to say "shit, I may have been wrong about him."


Just saying you defend an opinion like it's a legacy indicator...its okay to be wrong about a player you happen to like.


Field has been at OSU for two years. Excluding anyone on this team because they are obviously not in the NFL, who did Fields play with last year who is shining in the NFL thus far? They may be really good eventually, but we're still deep into the wait and see stage. So I don't get this suggestion that Field is playing with these vastly superior NFL talent.

If you want to tell me that OSU is loaded with a tremendous about of 4 and 5 star athletes, I agree. But don't tell me guys like Manning, Luck, Newton, etc weren't playing with top shelf players at their schools. Because it's just not true.

I don't know how Fields will ultimately do at the next level. I like a lot of his tools and think he fits the modern game.

Look, today wasn't a great day. Fields struggled. But I'm not ready to say one outing defines his profile - like some earlier posters have. It's more intel to consider. So I'm curious to see how he bounces back and responds.

If Fields starts to level off, and he continues to struggle, I'm sure I'll reconsider where I think he belongs. But it's still only game...for now.
RE: Jesus  
barens : 11/21/2020 10:42 pm : link
In comment 15053379 Anakim said:
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Michigan is an f'n disaster


Looks like they found their QB. Milton is a coach killer, but in all fairness, Michigan is sporting a really young team out there. No Kwitty Paye, Hutchinson, Cam McGrone, they just lost their senior safety Hawkins, and they don’t have both of their offensive tackles.

All that said, schiano’s teams sure know how to play defense.
Rutgers  
MookGiants : 11/22/2020 12:07 am : link
play calling in the 1st overtime and 3rd overtime were laugh out loud bad.

Schiano deserved to lose that game after the way he played the 1st overtime basically sitting on it for a 42 yard field goal in college.

2nd and 6 he's trying the double pass. Then on 4th down he's running a fake bubble screen because michigan is definitely going to be worried about a bubble screen on 4th and 6.

I know he's not the offensive coordinator, but that was just mind numbing how dumb the play calls were in the 1st and 3rd overtimes. He had to have a hand in the 1st overtime ones because they called timeout to sit on a 42 yard field goal
I’m a Rutgers alum  
AcesUp : 11/22/2020 12:15 am : link
I favor aggressive play as well. I had no problem with the first OT call. It’s a shaky OL with an ok college QB that doesn’t even have an average college arm. The kicker to that point has also been very good with a strong college leg. Juice wasn’t worth the squeeze there at 3rd and long. I wanted them to put it on the kicker there.

3rd OT though...
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Awful by Fields.  
MookGiants : 11/22/2020 12:18 am : link
In comment 15053374 chopperhatch said:
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I dont think I can buy this argument. None of the players you mentioned in that list other than Lawrence had the NFL caliber talent around them that Fields has playing against the by far lesser competition in the current Big 10. I think nobody was drafted from Ole Miss other than Eli his draft year.

Fields has ability, but what I think I and other posters are saying is that he never overcomes adversity. Like Lawrence in that national title game was facing a Alabam D that was up in his ass all game and was an all world D personnel wise. Lawrence made significant plays when under pressure and when the defense had everything covered. Havent seen Fields do that yet.



You don't think guys like Manning and Luck were surrounded by NFL talent?

Manning played with Marcus Nash, Peerless Price, Leonard Little, Shaun Ellis, Terry Fair, etc. That team was loaded.

Luck played with Tyler Gafney, Zach Wertz, Coby Fleener, Ty Montgomery, Chris Owusu, David DeCastro, Cam Fleming, Trent Murphy, etc.

Those teams were loaded.

I agree that it would help Fields to show that he can overcome more adversity. So how does he do that? Transfer to Vanderbilt?



You got me on Luck....forgot he played with Ertz and Fleener. But he was a consensus stud prospect who had everything you wanted and he was built like a brick shit house. If you are comparing Fields to Luck as a prospect because Luck had some bad games himself, dont know of I wanna go down that rabbit hole.
Regarding Peyton, you mentioned ONE offensive player on his college team that was significant....Price. The reat were defensive players.

I dont know why you constantly feel the need to dig up names to support your argument about players you like. You did the same thing with Will Grier and he is not even a thought these days.

While I was all in on Jones, I could poke wholes in others arguments citing the ding against his arm strength was unfounded and point to how great his legs are and how tpugh he is, but I dont. I regularly mention how disappointed I am in not only his lack of ball security, but his abilitiy to make quick real time decisions that could benefit the offense. I went all in on the guy, and I freely admit I might have been off in being sure about Jones. But am not afraid to say "shit, I may have been wrong about him."


Just saying you defend an opinion like it's a legacy indicator...its okay to be wrong about a player you happen to like.


Nash was a first round pick the same year Manning came out. Chad Clifton was protecting his blind side. Bryson was drafted in the 3rd round a few years later. They had plenty of offensive talent besides Peerless Price
The 97 team  
MookGiants : 11/22/2020 12:22 am : link
was absolutely loaded offensively, I even forgot Jamal Lewis.

That offense was filled with future pros.
RE: The 97 team  
bw in dc : 11/22/2020 1:02 am : link
In comment 15053438 MookGiants said:
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was absolutely loaded offensively, I even forgot Jamal Lewis.

That offense was filled with future pros.


It's interesting what people forget or don't know.

Granted he was a 6th round pick, but take a look at that team Brady played with at Michigan:

Jeff Backus, Steve Hutchinson, Aaron Shea, Tai Streets, David Terrell, Anthony Thomas, Jermane Tuman, Justin Fargas, etc.

That's a lot of NFL talent.

And double check that Stanford team around Luck. I mean, there are some very productive pros from that team...
Anak  
Tuckrule : 11/22/2020 6:47 am : link
Just want to make sure you saw your all pro QB yesterday. Getting outplayed by Indiana’s QB. Fields showing his lack of intelligence not reading a defense. His completions come on open slants just like Haskins. Just like I said last week and you called my take the worst. Fields will drop down boards. He’s the second coming of Jalen hurts with more throwing ability. Same athlete which is why when hurts runs the wildcat he’s stuck in mud. Fields has the same quickness to his game or lack there of. I’m glad you got a reality check after being the biggest homer I’ve ever seen. Anyway, like I said, lance will jump him in the draft no doubt about it. I’ll stick to that.
Fields has plenty of talent. But its far more important  
LBH15 : 11/22/2020 6:53 am : link
to see his weaknesses and how often they come out and at what level of competition is he facing at the time.

My early impression is while he shows better than some recent former Ohio St Qbs, he still isn't all that and a bag of chips either if stuck on an offense like the Giants (only an example).

Wait until the college playoffs to review him better, if we have them and they make it.

Dont need to. Been following the kid since high school  
Tuckrule : 11/22/2020 7:21 am : link
At Georgia couldn’t get passed Fromm. At Ohio state he looks every bit the same as every QB who walks through those doors. Athletic QB throwing to open WRs all day. Can’t read the field. Isn’t overly athletic. Gets by with size and strength in college as far as avoiding rushers etc. in the NFL that isn’t going to fly.
RE: Dont need to. Been following the kid since high school  
LBH15 : 11/22/2020 8:34 am : link
In comment 15053460 Tuckrule said:
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At Georgia couldn’t get passed Fromm. At Ohio state he looks every bit the same as every QB who walks through those doors. Athletic QB throwing to open WRs all day. Can’t read the field. Isn’t overly athletic. Gets by with size and strength in college as far as avoiding rushers etc. in the NFL that isn’t going to fly.


Damn, a bust already. Because he is going to get picked pretty quickly next spring.
^^  
Tuckrule : 11/22/2020 8:39 am : link
Nobody said a bust but you should have seen the thread anak mocking everyone. Nothing about his game stands out as elite. Zero. He has size. So do many college QBs
RE: ^^  
LBH15 : 11/22/2020 8:44 am : link
In comment 15053488 Tuckrule said:
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Nobody said a bust but you should have seen the thread anak mocking everyone. Nothing about his game stands out as elite. Zero. He has size. So do many college QBs


Fields is going to be a top 5 or so pick in the NFL draft.

Your post says he is just like many past Ohio St Qbs that have failed in the NFL because he can't read the field.

That's saying he will bust.


Back to Rutgers-Michigan  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 11/22/2020 8:45 am : link
That overtime was like a Picasso of bad offensive playcalling. Harbaugh played for the FG, then Schiano one-upped him. The last play had zero chance of succeeding. It was glorious.
And trust me...I don't know enough about Fields to  
LBH15 : 11/22/2020 8:46 am : link
suggest he will succeed or fail. Need to see him go against better talent.
RE: Dont need to. Been following the kid since high school  
bw in dc : 11/22/2020 8:56 am : link
In comment 15053460 Tuckrule said:
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At Georgia couldn’t get passed Fromm. At Ohio state he looks every bit the same as every QB who walks through those doors. Athletic QB throwing to open WRs all day. Can’t read the field. Isn’t overly athletic. Gets by with size and strength in college as far as avoiding rushers etc. in the NFL that isn’t going to fly.


Let me correct this. At Georgia, Smart was too stupid to play Eason or Fields over Fromm. As a result, Georgia could never get over the hump largely due to Fromm’s limitations.

This was validated at last year’s draft where Eason was drafted ahead of Fromm. And it was be validated at this next draft when Fields is a high firster.

You say Fields isn’t athletic. But them you say he gets by with size and strength. He’s 6’3” 225 and runs a 4.5. That’s not going to cut it in the NFL?
RE: RE: Dont need to. Been following the kid since high school  
Tuckrule : 11/22/2020 10:25 am : link
In comment 15053502 bw in dc said:
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At Georgia couldn’t get passed Fromm. At Ohio state he looks every bit the same as every QB who walks through those doors. Athletic QB throwing to open WRs all day. Can’t read the field. Isn’t overly athletic. Gets by with size and strength in college as far as avoiding rushers etc. in the NFL that isn’t going to fly.



Let me correct this. At Georgia, Smart was too stupid to play Eason or Fields over Fromm. As a result, Georgia could never get over the hump largely due to Fromm’s limitations.

This was validated at last year’s draft where Eason was drafted ahead of Fromm. And it was be validated at this next draft when Fields is a high firster.

You say Fields isn’t athletic. But them you say he gets by with size and strength. He’s 6’3” 225 and runs a 4.5. That’s not going to cut it in the NFL?


Correct. Pretty obvious what I wrote. He’s very athletic and big FOR COLLEGE. Like hurts was right? Hurts was a superior athlete in college running withthe ball. At the next level he isn’t fast he isn’t overly powerful. It happens every year. Fields the other day sits in the pocket. Doesn’t feel the blitz. Doesn’t recognize the defense. The sacks he avoids in college are sacks in the nfl. Simmons all over agin. I’ll stop
RE: RE: Dont need to. Been following the kid since high school  
WillVAB : 11/22/2020 1:10 pm : link
In comment 15053502 bw in dc said:
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At Georgia couldn’t get passed Fromm. At Ohio state he looks every bit the same as every QB who walks through those doors. Athletic QB throwing to open WRs all day. Can’t read the field. Isn’t overly athletic. Gets by with size and strength in college as far as avoiding rushers etc. in the NFL that isn’t going to fly.



Let me correct this. At Georgia, Smart was too stupid to play Eason or Fields over Fromm. As a result, Georgia could never get over the hump largely due to Fromm’s limitations.

This was validated at last year’s draft where Eason was drafted ahead of Fromm. And it was be validated at this next draft when Fields is a high firster.

You say Fields isn’t athletic. But them you say he gets by with size and strength. He’s 6’3” 225 and runs a 4.5. That’s not going to cut it in the NFL?


You aren’t correcting shit. Georgia tried to hand feed him the job but he sucked. Every time he rotated in it was like the wasted plays with Hurts in Philly. They didnt give him the job so he transferred.

The other concerning thing I saw yesterday besides his play was his sad puppy dog face on the sideline after the win. His defense bails him out and heavy more concerned about his run for the Heisman and his draft status.
RE: RE: RE: Dont need to. Been following the kid since high school  
bw in dc : 11/22/2020 4:25 pm : link
In comment 15053727 WillVAB said:
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You aren’t correcting shit. Georgia tried to hand feed him the job but he sucked. Every time he rotated in it was like the wasted plays with Hurts in Philly. They didnt give him the job so he transferred.

The other concerning thing I saw yesterday besides his play was his sad puppy dog face on the sideline after the win. His defense bails him out and heavy more concerned about his run for the Heisman and his draft status.


Sounds like you drink from the same Kool-Aid glass as Kirby Smart. How does it look now for Fields under Day's guidance versus Smart's?

Do you think Smart would rather have Fields right now or stick with his current dynamic duo of Stetson Bennett and JT Daniels?

Fields did not play well yesterday. That happens. We'll see how he responds moving forward.
RE: RE: RE: Dont need to. Been following the kid since high school  
bw in dc : 11/22/2020 4:30 pm : link
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Correct. Pretty obvious what I wrote. He’s very athletic and big FOR COLLEGE. Like hurts was right? Hurts was a superior athlete in college running withthe ball. At the next level he isn’t fast he isn’t overly powerful. It happens every year. Fields the other day sits in the pocket. Doesn’t feel the blitz. Doesn’t recognize the defense. The sacks he avoids in college are sacks in the nfl. Simmons all over agin. I’ll stop


Fields throws the ball better left handed than Hurts threw the ball right handed. Terrible comparison between the two. One has arm talent, one doesn't. And one understand how to play in the pocket, the other has no idea.

Why do you think Saban benched Hurts for the freshman Tua? Because Hurts was not a serious passing threat...



RE: RE: RE: Dont need to. Been following the kid since high school  
barens : 11/22/2020 8:20 pm : link
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At Georgia couldn’t get passed Fromm. At Ohio state he looks every bit the same as every QB who walks through those doors. Athletic QB throwing to open WRs all day. Can’t read the field. Isn’t overly athletic. Gets by with size and strength in college as far as avoiding rushers etc. in the NFL that isn’t going to fly.



Let me correct this. At Georgia, Smart was too stupid to play Eason or Fields over Fromm. As a result, Georgia could never get over the hump largely due to Fromm’s limitations.

This was validated at last year’s draft where Eason was drafted ahead of Fromm. And it was be validated at this next draft when Fields is a high firster.

You say Fields isn’t athletic. But them you say he gets by with size and strength. He’s 6’3” 225 and runs a 4.5. That’s not going to cut it in the NFL?



Correct. Pretty obvious what I wrote. He’s very athletic and big FOR COLLEGE. Like hurts was right? Hurts was a superior athlete in college running withthe ball. At the next level he isn’t fast he isn’t overly powerful. It happens every year. Fields the other day sits in the pocket. Doesn’t feel the blitz. Doesn’t recognize the defense. The sacks he avoids in college are sacks in the nfl. Simmons all over agin. I’ll stop


He is not Hurts. Because he had a bad game against Indiana, he's already a bust? To me, he's no worse than Dad Presocot. He was highly decorated coming out of high school, and there were some who thought he was better than Trevor Lawrence.

No-one knows what lies ahead, but comparing him to every other Ohio State QB is pretty asinine to me.
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