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Zeke's Alibi : 11/21/2020 11:55 am
Shitty day here in Florida so parking my ass in front of couch this afternoon.

Anyone got any action today? Took Indiana +21, really like what they are building over there and could easily see a backdoor cover in play with Ohio State's defense not up to their admittedly high standard.

Of course OK-OK State later is always a good one.
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Just saw where  
Fred-in-Florida : 11/21/2020 12:02 pm : link
Florida State / Clemson was postponed.
After stopping Indiana Ohio State scores in 2 plays,  
markky : 11/21/2020 12:15 pm : link
both passes from Fields. wow.

Indiana has a chance to be the first team to beat PSU, Michigan State, Michigan and OSU in the same season.
Wow big pick  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/21/2020 12:26 pm : link
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Ohio State takes over with great field position and Fields  
markky : 11/21/2020 12:26 pm : link
throws a pick. Now he's a bum.
Can't drop those if you want to beat Ohio St  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/21/2020 12:30 pm : link
Their WR's are losing their 1 v 1 matchups so far which is going to be key today.
Awful decision by Fields.  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/21/2020 12:46 pm : link
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Not a good luck for Fields, he's only seeing a little bit of pressure  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/21/2020 12:48 pm : link
and he's looking like a different QB. Certainly has the tools, but this is what separates the wheat from the chaff as far as the NFL is concerned.
Fields  
WillVAB : 11/21/2020 12:51 pm : link
No idea what people see in him. Couldn’t beat out Fromm so he transferred to a school that recruits better than everyone else in the conference.

This looks like another Haskins situation. Gaudy stats due to team talent difference over competitors. His decision making is terrible and will be exposed at the NFL level.
RE: Fields  
ajr2456 : 11/21/2020 1:02 pm : link
In comment 15053019 WillVAB said:
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No idea what people see in him. Couldn’t beat out Fromm so he transferred to a school that recruits better than everyone else in the conference.

This looks like another Haskins situation. Gaudy stats due to team talent difference over competitors. His decision making is terrible and will be exposed at the NFL level.


Maybe Georgia played the wrong QB? Fromm isn't anywhere close to the QB Fields is. And Georgia has recruited just as well as Ohio State the last few years.
Amazing the people who excuse away any Jones miscue  
ajr2456 : 11/21/2020 1:03 pm : link
Are licking their chops at the first bad quarter of football from Fields this year.
RE: Fields  
bw in dc : 11/21/2020 1:07 pm : link
In comment 15053019 WillVAB said:
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No idea what people see in him. Couldn’t beat out Fromm so he transferred to a school that recruits better than everyone else in the conference.

This looks like another Haskins situation. Gaudy stats due to team talent difference over competitors. His decision making is terrible and will be exposed at the NFL level.


Let me make sure I understand this. Fields’s decision making is now universally terrible because he finally threw two interceptions for the year?

You are quite the evaluator.

Perhaps Fields is having a bad first half against a very good team.

Let’s see how this plays out. I don’t recall a college QB prospect EVER not making poor decisions sometime during a year. Do you?
Penix looks like the better QB today.  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/21/2020 1:07 pm : link
Fields is getting a ton of help from his run game and Penix isn't, nor really from his WR's, but they seem to be turning it around. Fields isn't even facing heavy pressure and doesn't look like the same QB. It's so rare so maybe just caught off guard, but curious what he looks like after half.

I don't know how you can say you don't understand what people see in him though. He's extremely physically talented. That first pick he just trusted his arm too much, wasn't even that bad a throw.

Pressure is the great equalizer though and if this is what he puts on tape against light pressure, glad we won't be in a position to take the guy.
RE: RE: Fields  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/21/2020 1:09 pm : link
In comment 15053028 bw in dc said:
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In comment 15053019 WillVAB said:


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No idea what people see in him. Couldn’t beat out Fromm so he transferred to a school that recruits better than everyone else in the conference.

This looks like another Haskins situation. Gaudy stats due to team talent difference over competitors. His decision making is terrible and will be exposed at the NFL level.



Let me make sure I understand this. Fields’s decision making is now universally terrible because he finally threw two interceptions for the year?

You are quite the evaluator.

Perhaps Fields is having a bad first half against a very good team.

Let’s see how this plays out. I don’t recall a college QB prospect EVER not making poor decisions sometime during a year. Do you?


It's the fact that he is finally facing pressure across the line and it isn't even that heavy. Usually when you see him facing any pressure at all it's one guy and the rest of the line is stonewalling. And that's the risk with this guy, is that there really isn't going to be much film out there with him in this situation.
Sometimes in college your team gets confused and punched in the mouth  
ajr2456 : 11/21/2020 1:11 pm : link
Let's see what happens in the second half before we right off Fields. The passes on the TD drive were great.
RE: Amazing the people who excuse away any Jones miscue  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/21/2020 1:11 pm : link
In comment 15053026 ajr2456 said:
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Are licking their chops at the first bad quarter of football from Fields this year.


Playing QB for the NY Giants and playing QB for Ohio State is essentially an apples and screwdrivers comparison.
RE: Sometimes in college your team gets confused and punched in the mouth  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/21/2020 1:12 pm : link
In comment 15053032 ajr2456 said:
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Let's see what happens in the second half before we right off Fields. The passes on the TD drive were great.


This is what I want to see. It's so unusual for him to face pressure can definitely be caught off guard. Want to see how he responds.
Pressure isn’t heavy??  
bw in dc : 11/21/2020 1:14 pm : link
Indiana is creating jailbreak situations by blitzing three up the middle.

The OSU OL is being overwhelmed by it. They need to adjust.

Or Day needs to get Fields on the edge...
Ohio States lines are so dominant on both sides  
PatersonPlank : 11/21/2020 1:15 pm : link
Is that his real first name, Master?
I’m curious to watch this OSU secondary...  
bw in dc : 11/21/2020 1:20 pm : link
They may be the Achilles heel of this team. On that Indiana TD drive, the FS really blew the coverage sinking short and leaving Banks 1x1 when he was playing soft.
That actuallly was a good throw by Penix  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/21/2020 1:23 pm : link
WR's gotta. help him out. Man, this is the second time I've seen him this year and there's a lot to like about his game at the next level.
RE: Pressure isn’t heavy??  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/21/2020 1:24 pm : link
In comment 15053037 bw in dc said:
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Indiana is creating jailbreak situations by blitzing three up the middle.

The OSU OL is being overwhelmed by it. They need to adjust.

Or Day needs to get Fields on the edge...


One or two plays doesn't tell the whole picture. For the most part the pressure isn't all that heavy. As Giants fans we should know what that looks like.
The real question is why is OSU even throwing the ball  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/21/2020 1:26 pm : link
They can't stop the run. Love my betting ticket if they want to keep the ball in Fields hands.
Two things...  
bw in dc : 11/21/2020 1:29 pm : link
That sideline throw to Olave was an NFL throw.

That was an impressive run out of the pocket.
RE: That actuallly was a good throw by Penix  
bw in dc : 11/21/2020 1:31 pm : link
In comment 15053042 Zeke's Alibi said:
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WR's gotta. help him out. Man, this is the second time I've seen him this year and there's a lot to like about his game at the next level.


Long throwing motion. Looks hitchy too...

Good locking athlete.
RE: Two things...  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/21/2020 1:32 pm : link
In comment 15053050 bw in dc said:
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That sideline throw to Olave was an NFL throw.

That was an impressive run out of the pocket.


Sure it was a throw they make in the NFL, but it certainly wasn't very accurate to a wide open WR.
RE: RE: Fields  
WillVAB : 11/21/2020 1:33 pm : link
In comment 15053028 bw in dc said:
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No idea what people see in him. Couldn’t beat out Fromm so he transferred to a school that recruits better than everyone else in the conference.

This looks like another Haskins situation. Gaudy stats due to team talent difference over competitors. His decision making is terrible and will be exposed at the NFL level.



Let me make sure I understand this. Fields’s decision making is now universally terrible because he finally threw two interceptions for the year?

You are quite the evaluator.

Perhaps Fields is having a bad first half against a very good team.

Let’s see how this plays out. I don’t recall a college QB prospect EVER not making poor decisions sometime during a year. Do you?


I don’t see anything exceptional in his game. He’s mobile, great, almost all of the NFL QBs are mobile now. I see a kid who isn’t really being tested given the talent difference week to week, just like Haskins.

Fortunately the Giants won’t be picking him. I’d hate to be a fan of the team that does.
I don't think he caught that.  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/21/2020 1:36 pm : link
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Olave is a helluva player.  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/21/2020 1:40 pm : link
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Offensive line for OSU starting to dominate now  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/21/2020 1:41 pm : link
Game over.
RE: RE: Two things...  
bw in dc : 11/21/2020 1:45 pm : link
In comment 15053055 Zeke's Alibi said:
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That sideline throw to Olave was an NFL throw.

That was an impressive run out of the pocket.



Sure it was a throw they make in the NFL, but it certainly wasn't very accurate to a wide open WR.


It was over the defender and to a spot where only Olave could grab it. So I thought it was a very good throw.

Olave has the goods...
RE: RE: RE: Fields  
bw in dc : 11/21/2020 1:47 pm : link
In comment 15053056 WillVAB said:
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I don’t see anything exceptional in his game. He’s mobile, great, almost all of the NFL QBs are mobile now. I see a kid who isn’t really being tested given the talent difference week to week, just like Haskins.

Fortunately the Giants won’t be picking him. I’d hate to be a fan of the team that does.


Fair enough. If you can't see the talent difference between Fields and Haskins than we just see the game through a different lens.
Fields  
AcidTest : 11/21/2020 1:56 pm : link
with a great scramble for a TD. After starting 4/10 he's compelled his last seven passes, and OSU is now up 28-7 on 4-0 IU. Some of that admittedly is because of IU's many mistakes on offense. I like the pressure they're bringing on Fields.

There is a risk drafting QBs like Fields who constantly have tons of time to throw. They may not have to go through their reads regularly knowing that they'll likely have enough time to wait for their first option to get open. They may also not face the kind of constant pressure and exotic blitz packages that are common in the NFL, even by teams with bad defenses. You also need to know whether they can come from behind, and win games at the end.

Fields is nonetheless a top flight NFL prospect. His arm strength, accuracy, and mechanics are excellent. He can also scramble. And it appears to me that he can go through his reads when required. He's a much better prsopect than Haskins.
Fields may or may not be a good NFL QB- I don't really know yet  
PatersonPlank : 11/21/2020 2:09 pm : link
One thing I do know is you can't judge an OSU QB against Rutgers, where he gets 10 seconds to find a WR open by 5 yards. I bet they could play a DB at QB and he'd look good too.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Fields  
WillVAB : 11/21/2020 2:20 pm : link
In comment 15053074 bw in dc said:
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I don’t see anything exceptional in his game. He’s mobile, great, almost all of the NFL QBs are mobile now. I see a kid who isn’t really being tested given the talent difference week to week, just like Haskins.

Fortunately the Giants won’t be picking him. I’d hate to be a fan of the team that does.



Fair enough. If you can't see the talent difference between Fields and Haskins than we just see the game through a different lens.


It’s not Fields v Haskins. The point is both benefitted from a huge talent advantage week to week. Ohio State doesn’t even need to throw the ball in this game.
I tell you what, I don't envy NFL GMs sometimes.  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/21/2020 2:24 pm : link
How much film are you going to get like this 1st quarter against Indiana this week for the rest of the schedule? As soon as OSU offensive line started to dominate again, so did Fields, which he should. He's got guys like Olave making stuff out of nowhere and a running game thats operating at will.
Awful by Fields.  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/21/2020 2:26 pm : link
Straight terrible.
And of course the talent differential bails him out  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/21/2020 2:27 pm : link
with a forced fumble on the return. Fuck that was my ticket to covering.
RE: Awful by Fields.  
WillVAB : 11/21/2020 2:29 pm : link
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Straight terrible.


Anyone who watches this kid and thinks top 5 franchise QB is crazy. Looks like a classic bust.
RE: RE: Awful by Fields.  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/21/2020 2:34 pm : link
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Straight terrible.



Anyone who watches this kid and thinks top 5 franchise QB is crazy. Looks like a classic bust.


I mean he could and with his tools he'll have a long career in the league at the very least, but sure as hell not jettisong him for DJ at this point. That's what annoys me the most, regardless of position, people fall in love with prospects. The NFL is a completely different ball game, espcially when you play QB on a stacked roster. At least with Lawrence you have a sample size there. Didn't really watch much college football last year, but this year is first time Fields has seen pressure and he looks pretty shook.
Penix looks impressive today.  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/21/2020 2:37 pm : link
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Everytime they bring 6/7 Fields looks to run instead  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/21/2020 2:44 pm : link
of throw.
Which works when you play for OSU but certianly won't  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/21/2020 2:45 pm : link
work in NFL. Indiana has life here.
Indiana has some dumb players  
ghost718 : 11/21/2020 2:47 pm : link
This game should be there's
And that's the differnce right there.  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/21/2020 2:47 pm : link
First mistake all day and it goes the other way coming off a throw his WR should have taken to the house.
That  
GoDeep13 : 11/21/2020 2:49 pm : link
Was a long throw to have to make. A 10 yard out from the opposite hash? That’s not in my playbook vs Ohio St.
Penix has been tremendous today outside of that one  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/21/2020 3:00 pm : link
mistake.
How many drops today for that Indiana WR crew, thought theyd  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/21/2020 3:02 pm : link
be much better today. This is the craziest sweat on a 21 pt bet I've ever made.
RE: Penix looks impressive today.  
WillVAB : 11/21/2020 3:17 pm : link
In comment 15053106 Zeke's Alibi said:
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He does.
Fuck....I almost took Indiana moneyline today too  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/21/2020 3:18 pm : link
and if I was a little hotter would have placed that bet no doubt. Talked myself outta that one with the past few brutal weeks I've had. Penix is a legit NFL prospect.
Real college football picks back up  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/21/2020 3:18 pm : link
in 6 days with ND-UNC. I kid, I kid.
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