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Zeke's Alibi : 11/21/2020 11:55 am
Shitty day here in Florida so parking my ass in front of couch this afternoon.

Anyone got any action today? Took Indiana +21, really like what they are building over there and could easily see a backdoor cover in play with Ohio State's defense not up to their admittedly high standard.

Of course OK-OK State later is always a good one.
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Ha, Fields misses a wide open  
section125 : 11/21/2020 3:18 pm : link
receiver on 3rd and 8. Indiana comes right back and scores a TD.
42-35.

Penix is really battling out there against a tough defense  
PatersonPlank : 11/21/2020 3:18 pm : link
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Fields holds the ball all damn day.  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/21/2020 3:25 pm : link
That isn't going to work at the NFL level. After 3 seconds and they are bringing pressure get rid of it or run.
If I'm OSU I'm running here even with the kicker situation  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/21/2020 3:28 pm : link
The punter can come in and make this FG. Only thing that will lose you this game is turnover here and another big play let up on defense.
Fields missed his reads in the run game there.  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/21/2020 3:30 pm : link
It was there.
I question the hell outta that call. Kick the fg.  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/21/2020 3:30 pm : link
The kicker isn't missing that. Then Fields blew it.
Come draft day  
FGiant : 11/21/2020 3:31 pm : link
I want some of these top 3 WRs drafted. OSU passrushers and DB are always football players. Will help Giants. Too many combine heroes draw attention.
Kick the FG and go up by 2 scores - there is only 5 minutes left  
PatersonPlank : 11/21/2020 3:31 pm : link
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RE: RE: Awful by Fields.  
bw in dc : 11/21/2020 3:34 pm : link
In comment 15053103 WillVAB said:
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Straight terrible.



Anyone who watches this kid and thinks top 5 franchise QB is crazy. Looks like a classic bust.


I've been watching college football for a long time.

I saw Peyton Manning have several poor games at Tennessee. I saw Andrew Luck have play badly at Stanford.
I saw Eli Manning lay eggs at Ole Miss.
I saw Cam Newton stink it up at Auburn.
I saw Aikman look horrible at UCLA.
I saw Aaron Rodgers look average at Cal.
I saw Trevor Lawrence look ordinary at Clemson.

In other words, players have bad games. If you are expecting lights out play game after game after game, you're irrational.
That  
AcidTest : 11/21/2020 3:35 pm : link
was a bad INT by Penix. The throw was too long for the yardage it would have gained, and there is always a risk on those types of plays for an INT that can be returned for a TD. But he has otherwise looked very good. IU might be ahead in this game if they hadn't made so many mistakes.
Fields misssed another  
section125 : 11/21/2020 3:36 pm : link
wide open player on that 4th down. Sorry but I do not see anything special.
RE: Fields misssed another  
bw in dc : 11/21/2020 3:39 pm : link
In comment 15053149 section125 said:
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wide open player on that 4th down. Sorry but I do not see anything special.


He got speared in the helmet. That should have been targeting.
BTW...  
bw in dc : 11/21/2020 3:40 pm : link
Ty Fryfogle is a very interesting WR prospect.

He's been lights out this year...and this game, too.
RE: RE: RE: Awful by Fields.  
AcidTest : 11/21/2020 3:43 pm : link
In comment 15053147 bw in dc said:
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In comment 15053103 WillVAB said:


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In comment 15053098 Zeke's Alibi said:


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Straight terrible.



Anyone who watches this kid and thinks top 5 franchise QB is crazy. Looks like a classic bust.



I've been watching college football for a long time.

I saw Peyton Manning have several poor games at Tennessee. I saw Andrew Luck have play badly at Stanford.
I saw Eli Manning lay eggs at Ole Miss.
I saw Cam Newton stink it up at Auburn.
I saw Aikman look horrible at UCLA.
I saw Aaron Rodgers look average at Cal.
I saw Trevor Lawrence look ordinary at Clemson.

In other words, players have bad games. If you are expecting lights out play game after game after game, you're irrational.


Agreed.
RE: RE: Fields misssed another  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/21/2020 3:45 pm : link
In comment 15053151 bw in dc said:
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In comment 15053149 section125 said:


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wide open player on that 4th down. Sorry but I do not see anything special.



He got speared in the helmet. That should have been targeting.


What's your point? Had zero to do with whether he made play or not it was after the fact.
RE: RE: RE: Awful by Fields.  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/21/2020 3:46 pm : link
In comment 15053147 bw in dc said:
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In comment 15053098 Zeke's Alibi said:


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Straight terrible.



Anyone who watches this kid and thinks top 5 franchise QB is crazy. Looks like a classic bust.



I've been watching college football for a long time.

I saw Peyton Manning have several poor games at Tennessee. I saw Andrew Luck have play badly at Stanford.
I saw Eli Manning lay eggs at Ole Miss.
I saw Cam Newton stink it up at Auburn.
I saw Aikman look horrible at UCLA.
I saw Aaron Rodgers look average at Cal.
I saw Trevor Lawrence look ordinary at Clemson.

In other words, players have bad games. If you are expecting lights out play game after game after game, you're irrational.


The difference being is the big question is what does he look like under pressure because it's so rare to see on film. Players have bad games, but the one time he's under pressure the results weren't good. He'll probably only have 1 or 2 or more opportunities to show what he is about this year.
In other news  
Spider43 : 11/21/2020 3:48 pm : link
Kyle Trask 26/35 383 yds. 10.9AVG 3TD 0INT in a Florida win against Vandy.
RE: RE: RE: Fields misssed another  
bw in dc : 11/21/2020 3:50 pm : link
In comment 15053156 Zeke's Alibi said:
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wide open player on that 4th down. Sorry but I do not see anything special.



He got speared in the helmet. That should have been targeting.



What's your point? Had zero to do with whether he made play or not it was after the fact.


My point is knowing he was about to get drilled in the face caused Fields to be off target.
RE: In other news  
bw in dc : 11/21/2020 3:51 pm : link
In comment 15053160 Spider43 said:
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Kyle Trask 26/35 383 yds. 10.9AVG 3TD 0INT in a Florida win against Vandy.


Very good case can be made he's the Heisman front runner.

Vandy is bad...so this game was a virtual walkover for the Gators.
Yes all players have bad games  
PatersonPlank : 11/21/2020 3:51 pm : link
Also you have to admit that that the team surrounding Fields is dominating most of the competition. Today you saw what it looks like when OSU isn't dominating.

I think everyone needs to be objective and stop automatically anointing this kid as a future great and top draft pick. Time will tell. However I will say again that an OSU QB rolling up impressive stats versus Rutgers is meaningless in regards of how good he would in the NFL.
RE: RE: Fields misssed another  
section125 : 11/21/2020 3:52 pm : link
In comment 15053151 bw in dc said:
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wide open player on that 4th down. Sorry but I do not see anything special.



He got speared in the helmet. That should have been targeting.


Bullshit. Just because a partisan announcer said it doesn't make it true. FOX didn't even replay it to show it. NCAA does a great job with the booth review ref watching. If it was targeting it would have been called. Indiana did not even rush to get the play off.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Awful by Fields.  
bw in dc : 11/21/2020 3:53 pm : link
In comment 15053158 Zeke's Alibi said:
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The difference being is the big question is what does he look like under pressure because it's so rare to see on film. Players have bad games, but the one time he's under pressure the results weren't good. He'll probably only have 1 or 2 or more opportunities to show what he is about this year.


I get it. I've seen Fields make some terrific throws under pressure. I also realize the other team gets paid, too, and they can make the QB uncomfortable. That's what Indiana get a few times today. Kudos to Allen and his staff for finding a weak spot in the OSU protection and exploiting it...
RE: RE: RE: Fields misssed another  
bw in dc : 11/21/2020 3:57 pm : link
In comment 15053165 section125 said:
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Bullshit. Just because a partisan announcer said it doesn't make it true. FOX didn't even replay it to show it. NCAA does a great job with the booth review ref watching. If it was targeting it would have been called. Indiana did not even rush to get the play off.


Actually Fox did show it once. Looked like targeting to me. But I would have liked to see another angle to confirm.

What partisan announcer are you talking about, btw?
RE: Yes all players have bad games  
bw in dc : 11/21/2020 3:59 pm : link
In comment 15053164 PatersonPlank said:
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Also you have to admit that that the team surrounding Fields is dominating most of the competition. Today you saw what it looks like when OSU isn't dominating.

I think everyone needs to be objective and stop automatically anointing this kid as a future great and top draft pick. Time will tell. However I will say again that an OSU QB rolling up impressive stats versus Rutgers is meaningless in regards of how good he would in the NFL.


I actually don't get caught up in stats on these players (except maybe for sacks. I think that's a skill that conveys).

I look for arm talent, placement, accuracy, mobility, toughness, etc. I see many of those elements in those Fields. And one game where he makes some poor decision isn't going to suddenly make me pivot away.
Yeah Justin Fields has made throw in "pressure" where pressure  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/21/2020 4:02 pm : link
is maybe 1 guy breaking free every 10 plays or so. Different ball game when you are seeing it play after play. Think he's a much better prospect than Haskins still, but Haskins numbers under pressure where phenomenal. It's just that it was much rarer. Fields looked shook out there. The next time we'll get to see something like this will be the playoffs. There's no changing your mind on this guy regardless, you've made up your mind on him since he was a top overall HS prospect and that's clear. I've gone into watching him with an open mind to see if he's a guy we should be looking at. He certainly isn't this can't miss NFL prospect, in fact after today, I wouldn't be comfortable drafting him at all even if we did need a QB. He holds the ball forever and when they brought 6 or 7 his first instict is to run, that certainly won't work at the NFL level. The other thing I noticed is that he was able to physically shake people like Josh Allen out there, that won't work at NFL level either.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Fields misssed another  
section125 : 11/21/2020 4:03 pm : link
In comment 15053168 bw in dc said:
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Bullshit. Just because a partisan announcer said it doesn't make it true. FOX didn't even replay it to show it. NCAA does a great job with the booth review ref watching. If it was targeting it would have been called. Indiana did not even rush to get the play off.



Actually Fox did show it once. Looked like targeting to me. But I would have liked to see another angle to confirm.

What partisan announcer are you talking about, btw?


Whomever was announcing. It was clear who they favored. I only saw the 4th quarter and could care less who won. But the subtle comments caught my attention. Doesn't really matter in all honesty.

But if the booth review ref did not call down, doubtful it was targeting. Those guy rarely miss a bad hit.
Trask  
BigBlueCane : 11/21/2020 4:07 pm : link
is a better QB then Fields.

Not sure about the rest though.
Anybody hear anything on  
section125 : 11/21/2020 4:11 pm : link
why medical people in Clemson/FSU game could not agree so the game was postponed?
RE: Yeah Justin Fields has made throw in  
bw in dc : 11/21/2020 4:12 pm : link
In comment 15053173 Zeke's Alibi said:
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is maybe 1 guy breaking free every 10 plays or so. Different ball game when you are seeing it play after play. Think he's a much better prospect than Haskins still, but Haskins numbers under pressure where phenomenal. It's just that it was much rarer. Fields looked shook out there. The next time we'll get to see something like this will be the playoffs. There's no changing your mind on this guy regardless, you've made up your mind on him since he was a top overall HS prospect and that's clear. I've gone into watching him with an open mind to see if he's a guy we should be looking at. He certainly isn't this can't miss NFL prospect, in fact after today, I wouldn't be comfortable drafting him at all even if we did need a QB. He holds the ball forever and when they brought 6 or 7 his first instict is to run, that certainly won't work at the NFL level. The other thing I noticed is that he was able to physically shake people like Josh Allen out there, that won't work at NFL level either.


I agree that Field looked flustered at times. And I don't discard what happened today. Just more data to consider.

And I haven't been on Field as a can't miss since high school. I have pointed out that he's been a highly ranking prospect for much of his career. So I think he's made to handle the pressure of expectations.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Fields misssed another  
bw in dc : 11/21/2020 4:14 pm : link
In comment 15053174 section125 said:
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Whomever was announcing. It was clear who they favored. I only saw the 4th quarter and could care less who won. But the subtle comments caught my attention. Doesn't really matter in all honesty.

But if the booth review ref did not call down, doubtful it was targeting. Those guy rarely miss a bad hit.


Johnson and Klatt are pretty good and fair in my mind. Klatt, I believe, is one of the best both analysts in the game.
It’s helpful to see games where heisman hopefuls struggle.  
LBH15 : 11/21/2020 4:41 pm : link
Nothing to do with trophy itself, just suggesting when the so-called elite college players only play junior varsity teams or do not have to struggle then you don’t get the whole picture.

Big games against top competition. That’s what makes top picks.
RE: Anybody hear anything on  
markky : 11/21/2020 4:48 pm : link
In comment 15053177 section125 said:
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why medical people in Clemson/FSU game could not agree so the game was postponed?


although a player failed the 3rd party test, Clemson followed ACC protocol so they were eligible to play a/t ACC rules. the FSU medical team was not "comfortable" playing so the game is postponed.
Devonta Smith for Alabama  
LBH15 : 11/21/2020 4:58 pm : link
is creating records at WR.



RE: Devonta Smith for Alabama  
bw in dc : 11/21/2020 5:13 pm : link
In comment 15053209 LBH15 said:
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is creating records at WR.




Wait...doesn't he play with a top OL, other great WRs, a great RB, a good TE, and a very good QB?

I mean, who couldn't succeed with those pieces... ;)
RE: RE: Devonta Smith for Alabama  
LBH15 : 11/21/2020 5:14 pm : link
In comment 15053214 bw in dc said:
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is creating records at WR.






Wait...doesn't he play with a top OL, other great WRs, a great RB, a good TE, and a very good QB?

I mean, who couldn't succeed with those pieces... ;)


He’s the piece that I like best.
I was very surprised Smitty went back to Bama...  
bw in dc : 11/21/2020 5:16 pm : link
after last year. I think he would have been a top 15 pick.

Should be in that range this year...
RE: I was very surprised Smitty went back to Bama...  
LBH15 : 11/21/2020 5:20 pm : link
In comment 15053218 bw in dc said:
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after last year. I think he would have been a top 15 pick.

Should be in that range this year...


Yeah. He will be one of those names we discuss in a few months for NYG.

Not a big fan of first round WRs but nevertheless
How bad in PSU?  
bw in dc : 11/21/2020 5:21 pm : link
I'm a PSU fan and knew they were going to miss Parsons, but I didn't see this type of dip coming. They are a disaster.
RE: Trask  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/21/2020 5:23 pm : link
In comment 15053176 BigBlueCane said:
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is a better QB then Fields.

Not sure about the rest though.


Love Trask, he would be a great pick for someone with a veteran QB in place they are looking to replace in a year or two. My worries with these pure pocket passers now is that everyone is o impatient and they take longer to develop as they can't rely on their legs.
RE: How bad in PSU?  
LBH15 : 11/21/2020 5:24 pm : link
In comment 15053223 bw in dc said:
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I'm a PSU fan and knew they were going to miss Parsons, but I didn't see this type of dip coming. They are a disaster.


They look like a team on COVID
Trask  
Mark in ATL : 11/21/2020 5:30 pm : link
Is an interesting QB. Playing with a ton of weapons and but a very accurate Passer. Can’t see him going above Lawrence, Fields, or Wilson.
Took Wisky -4.5 Second Half...this game looks like  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/21/2020 5:51 pm : link
its going to finish 14-7 Jesus. Also took under 61 in OK St OK. Was thinking about hitting up the alternative line 52 for more favorable odds, but decided not to push my luck. Could easily see some defensive TDs with that patch work OL against OU's front.
RE: RE: RE: Awful by Fields.  
joeinpa : 11/21/2020 6:22 pm : link
In comment 15053147 bw in dc said:
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Straight terrible.



Anyone who watches this kid and thinks top 5 franchise QB is crazy. Looks like a classic bust.



I've been watching college football for a long time.

I saw Peyton Manning have several poor games at Tennessee. I saw Andrew Luck have play badly at Stanford.
I saw Eli Manning lay eggs at Ole Miss.
I saw Cam Newton stink it up at Auburn.
I saw Aikman look horrible at UCLA.
I saw Aaron Rodgers look average at Cal.
I saw Trevor Lawrence look ordinary at Clemson.

In other words, players have bad games. If you are expecting lights out play game after game after game, you're irrational.


Not anymore. If fans have an agenda all it takes is one bad game to prove them right, hell all it takes is one bad play.

RE: RE: RE: Awful by Fields.  
chopperhatch : 11/21/2020 6:33 pm : link
In comment 15053147 bw in dc said:
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In comment 15053098 Zeke's Alibi said:


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Straight terrible.



Anyone who watches this kid and thinks top 5 franchise QB is crazy. Looks like a classic bust.



I've been watching college football for a long time.

I saw Peyton Manning have several poor games at Tennessee. I saw Andrew Luck have play badly at Stanford.
I saw Eli Manning lay eggs at Ole Miss.
I saw Cam Newton stink it up at Auburn.
I saw Aikman look horrible at UCLA.
I saw Aaron Rodgers look average at Cal.
I saw Trevor Lawrence look ordinary at Clemson.

In other words, players have bad games. If you are expecting lights out play game after game after game, you're irrational.


I dont think I can buy this argument. None of the players you mentioned in that list other than Lawrence had the NFL caliber talent around them that Fields has playing against the by far lesser competition in the current Big 10. I think nobody was drafted from Ole Miss other than Eli his draft year.

Fields has ability, but what I think I and other posters are saying is that he never overcomes adversity. Like Lawrence in that national title game was facing a Alabam D that was up in his ass all game and was an all world D personnel wise. Lawrence made significant plays when under pressure and when the defense had everything covered. Havent seen Fields do that yet.
That was an awful job by Paul Chryst of Wisconsin  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/21/2020 6:58 pm : link
Last time I bet on Wisky.
Yeah- bad play calling  
DG : 11/21/2020 7:10 pm : link
No Davis or Pryor, Ferguson banged up. No running game.
Figures that the minute the Badgers get a 5 star QB their running game disappears and their WRs are out.

Beat Minnesota next week..

COVID hurt them.
Evanston continues to be a house of horrors for Bucky.

Should have consulted with Badger fans..
Penn State could go winless  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 11/21/2020 7:35 pm : link
couldn't happen to a nicer guy than James Franklin.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Awful by Fields.  
bw in dc : 11/21/2020 7:42 pm : link
In comment 15053276 joeinpa said:
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Not anymore. If fans have an agenda all it takes is one bad game to prove them right, hell all it takes is one bad play.


That's pretty widespread across the media, too. I would imagine by Monday you will hear on national media how Fields took a major step back.

Hell, I heard it today around the third quarter when I ran an errand. I was in my truck and the host of Mad Dog radio was saying Field was looking like another "typical Ohio State QB"...just based on the fact that Field actually/finally threw an interception this year.

Unless he's completing 80% of his passes at 12+ YPA with 4 TDs and 0 INTs Fields isn't doing his job...
RE: RE: RE: RE: Awful by Fields.  
bw in dc : 11/21/2020 7:54 pm : link
In comment 15053288 chopperhatch said:
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I dont think I can buy this argument. None of the players you mentioned in that list other than Lawrence had the NFL caliber talent around them that Fields has playing against the by far lesser competition in the current Big 10. I think nobody was drafted from Ole Miss other than Eli his draft year.

Fields has ability, but what I think I and other posters are saying is that he never overcomes adversity. Like Lawrence in that national title game was facing a Alabam D that was up in his ass all game and was an all world D personnel wise. Lawrence made significant plays when under pressure and when the defense had everything covered. Havent seen Fields do that yet.


You don't think guys like Manning and Luck were surrounded by NFL talent?

Manning played with Marcus Nash, Peerless Price, Leonard Little, Shaun Ellis, Terry Fair, etc. That team was loaded.

Luck played with Tyler Gafney, Zach Wertz, Coby Fleener, Ty Montgomery, Chris Owusu, David DeCastro, Cam Fleming, Trent Murphy, etc.

Those teams were loaded.

I agree that it would help Fields to show that he can overcome more adversity. So how does he do that? Transfer to Vanderbilt?
Perkins  
MookGiants : 11/21/2020 8:23 pm : link
on Oklahoma looks like he's playing at a different speed than everyone else.
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