Shitty day here in Florida so parking my ass in front of couch this afternoon.
Anyone got any action today? Took Indiana +21, really like what they are building over there and could easily see a backdoor cover in play with Ohio State's defense not up to their admittedly high standard.
Of course OK-OK State later is always a good one.
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I dont think I can buy this argument. None of the players you mentioned in that list other than Lawrence had the NFL caliber talent around them that Fields has playing against the by far lesser competition in the current Big 10. I think nobody was drafted from Ole Miss other than Eli his draft year.
Fields has ability, but what I think I and other posters are saying is that he never overcomes adversity. Like Lawrence in that national title game was facing a Alabam D that was up in his ass all game and was an all world D personnel wise. Lawrence made significant plays when under pressure and when the defense had everything covered. Havent seen Fields do that yet.
You don't think guys like Manning and Luck were surrounded by NFL talent?
Manning played with Marcus Nash, Peerless Price, Leonard Little, Shaun Ellis, Terry Fair, etc. That team was loaded.
Luck played with Tyler Gafney, Zach Wertz, Coby Fleener, Ty Montgomery, Chris Owusu, David DeCastro, Cam Fleming, Trent Murphy, etc.
Those teams were loaded.
I agree that it would help Fields to show that he can overcome more adversity. So how does he do that? Transfer to Vanderbilt?
You got me on Luck....forgot he played with Ertz and Fleener. But he was a consensus stud prospect who had everything you wanted and he was built like a brick shit house. If you are comparing Fields to Luck as a prospect because Luck had some bad games himself, dont know of I wanna go down that rabbit hole.
Regarding Peyton, you mentioned ONE offensive player on his college team that was significant....Price. The reat were defensive players.
I dont know why you constantly feel the need to dig up names to support your argument about players you like. You did the same thing with Will Grier and he is not even a thought these days.
While I was all in on Jones, I could poke wholes in others arguments citing the ding against his arm strength was unfounded and point to how great his legs are and how tpugh he is, but I dont. I regularly mention how disappointed I am in not only his lack of ball security, but his abilitiy to make quick real time decisions that could benefit the offense. I went all in on the guy, and I freely admit I might have been off in being sure about Jones. But am not afraid to say "shit, I may have been wrong about him."
Just saying you defend an opinion like it's a legacy indicator...its okay to be wrong about a player you happen to like.
Been that way really for years. Before they had the problem of great ATHLETES but not players (Peppers, Gary, Funchess, Shea Patterson) so they lost because of THAT. Now they just suck shit through a tube.
You got me on Luck....forgot he played with Ertz and Fleener. But he was a consensus stud prospect who had everything you wanted and he was built like a brick shit house. If you are comparing Fields to Luck as a prospect because Luck had some bad games himself, dont know of I wanna go down that rabbit hole.
Regarding Peyton, you mentioned ONE offensive player on his college team that was significant....Price. The reat were defensive players.
I dont know why you constantly feel the need to dig up names to support your argument about players you like. You did the same thing with Will Grier and he is not even a thought these days.
While I was all in on Jones, I could poke wholes in others arguments citing the ding against his arm strength was unfounded and point to how great his legs are and how tpugh he is, but I dont. I regularly mention how disappointed I am in not only his lack of ball security, but his abilitiy to make quick real time decisions that could benefit the offense. I went all in on the guy, and I freely admit I might have been off in being sure about Jones. But am not afraid to say "shit, I may have been wrong about him."
Just saying you defend an opinion like it's a legacy indicator...its okay to be wrong about a player you happen to like.
Field has been at OSU for two years. Excluding anyone on this team because they are obviously not in the NFL, who did Fields play with last year who is shining in the NFL thus far? They may be really good eventually, but we're still deep into the wait and see stage. So I don't get this suggestion that Field is playing with these vastly superior NFL talent.
If you want to tell me that OSU is loaded with a tremendous about of 4 and 5 star athletes, I agree. But don't tell me guys like Manning, Luck, Newton, etc weren't playing with top shelf players at their schools. Because it's just not true.
I don't know how Fields will ultimately do at the next level. I like a lot of his tools and think he fits the modern game.
Look, today wasn't a great day. Fields struggled. But I'm not ready to say one outing defines his profile - like some earlier posters have. It's more intel to consider. So I'm curious to see how he bounces back and responds.
If Fields starts to level off, and he continues to struggle, I'm sure I'll reconsider where I think he belongs. But it's still only game...for now.
Looks like they found their QB. Milton is a coach killer, but in all fairness, Michigan is sporting a really young team out there. No Kwitty Paye, Hutchinson, Cam McGrone, they just lost their senior safety Hawkins, and they don’t have both of their offensive tackles.
All that said, schiano’s teams sure know how to play defense.
Schiano deserved to lose that game after the way he played the 1st overtime basically sitting on it for a 42 yard field goal in college.
2nd and 6 he's trying the double pass. Then on 4th down he's running a fake bubble screen because michigan is definitely going to be worried about a bubble screen on 4th and 6.
I know he's not the offensive coordinator, but that was just mind numbing how dumb the play calls were in the 1st and 3rd overtimes. He had to have a hand in the 1st overtime ones because they called timeout to sit on a 42 yard field goal
3rd OT though...
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In comment 15053288 chopperhatch said:
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I dont think I can buy this argument. None of the players you mentioned in that list other than Lawrence had the NFL caliber talent around them that Fields has playing against the by far lesser competition in the current Big 10. I think nobody was drafted from Ole Miss other than Eli his draft year.
Fields has ability, but what I think I and other posters are saying is that he never overcomes adversity. Like Lawrence in that national title game was facing a Alabam D that was up in his ass all game and was an all world D personnel wise. Lawrence made significant plays when under pressure and when the defense had everything covered. Havent seen Fields do that yet.
You don't think guys like Manning and Luck were surrounded by NFL talent?
Manning played with Marcus Nash, Peerless Price, Leonard Little, Shaun Ellis, Terry Fair, etc. That team was loaded.
Luck played with Tyler Gafney, Zach Wertz, Coby Fleener, Ty Montgomery, Chris Owusu, David DeCastro, Cam Fleming, Trent Murphy, etc.
Those teams were loaded.
I agree that it would help Fields to show that he can overcome more adversity. So how does he do that? Transfer to Vanderbilt?
You got me on Luck....forgot he played with Ertz and Fleener. But he was a consensus stud prospect who had everything you wanted and he was built like a brick shit house. If you are comparing Fields to Luck as a prospect because Luck had some bad games himself, dont know of I wanna go down that rabbit hole.
Regarding Peyton, you mentioned ONE offensive player on his college team that was significant....Price. The reat were defensive players.
I dont know why you constantly feel the need to dig up names to support your argument about players you like. You did the same thing with Will Grier and he is not even a thought these days.
While I was all in on Jones, I could poke wholes in others arguments citing the ding against his arm strength was unfounded and point to how great his legs are and how tpugh he is, but I dont. I regularly mention how disappointed I am in not only his lack of ball security, but his abilitiy to make quick real time decisions that could benefit the offense. I went all in on the guy, and I freely admit I might have been off in being sure about Jones. But am not afraid to say "shit, I may have been wrong about him."
Just saying you defend an opinion like it's a legacy indicator...its okay to be wrong about a player you happen to like.
Nash was a first round pick the same year Manning came out. Chad Clifton was protecting his blind side. Bryson was drafted in the 3rd round a few years later. They had plenty of offensive talent besides Peerless Price
That offense was filled with future pros.
That offense was filled with future pros.
It's interesting what people forget or don't know.
Granted he was a 6th round pick, but take a look at that team Brady played with at Michigan:
Jeff Backus, Steve Hutchinson, Aaron Shea, Tai Streets, David Terrell, Anthony Thomas, Jermane Tuman, Justin Fargas, etc.
That's a lot of NFL talent.
And double check that Stanford team around Luck. I mean, there are some very productive pros from that team...
My early impression is while he shows better than some recent former Ohio St Qbs, he still isn't all that and a bag of chips either if stuck on an offense like the Giants (only an example).
Wait until the college playoffs to review him better, if we have them and they make it.
Damn, a bust already. Because he is going to get picked pretty quickly next spring.
Fields is going to be a top 5 or so pick in the NFL draft.
Your post says he is just like many past Ohio St Qbs that have failed in the NFL because he can't read the field.
That's saying he will bust.
Let me correct this. At Georgia, Smart was too stupid to play Eason or Fields over Fromm. As a result, Georgia could never get over the hump largely due to Fromm’s limitations.
This was validated at last year’s draft where Eason was drafted ahead of Fromm. And it was be validated at this next draft when Fields is a high firster.
You say Fields isn’t athletic. But them you say he gets by with size and strength. He’s 6’3” 225 and runs a 4.5. That’s not going to cut it in the NFL?
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At Georgia couldn’t get passed Fromm. At Ohio state he looks every bit the same as every QB who walks through those doors. Athletic QB throwing to open WRs all day. Can’t read the field. Isn’t overly athletic. Gets by with size and strength in college as far as avoiding rushers etc. in the NFL that isn’t going to fly.
Let me correct this. At Georgia, Smart was too stupid to play Eason or Fields over Fromm. As a result, Georgia could never get over the hump largely due to Fromm’s limitations.
This was validated at last year’s draft where Eason was drafted ahead of Fromm. And it was be validated at this next draft when Fields is a high firster.
You say Fields isn’t athletic. But them you say he gets by with size and strength. He’s 6’3” 225 and runs a 4.5. That’s not going to cut it in the NFL?
Correct. Pretty obvious what I wrote. He’s very athletic and big FOR COLLEGE. Like hurts was right? Hurts was a superior athlete in college running withthe ball. At the next level he isn’t fast he isn’t overly powerful. It happens every year. Fields the other day sits in the pocket. Doesn’t feel the blitz. Doesn’t recognize the defense. The sacks he avoids in college are sacks in the nfl. Simmons all over agin. I’ll stop
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At Georgia couldn’t get passed Fromm. At Ohio state he looks every bit the same as every QB who walks through those doors. Athletic QB throwing to open WRs all day. Can’t read the field. Isn’t overly athletic. Gets by with size and strength in college as far as avoiding rushers etc. in the NFL that isn’t going to fly.
Let me correct this. At Georgia, Smart was too stupid to play Eason or Fields over Fromm. As a result, Georgia could never get over the hump largely due to Fromm’s limitations.
This was validated at last year’s draft where Eason was drafted ahead of Fromm. And it was be validated at this next draft when Fields is a high firster.
You say Fields isn’t athletic. But them you say he gets by with size and strength. He’s 6’3” 225 and runs a 4.5. That’s not going to cut it in the NFL?
You aren’t correcting shit. Georgia tried to hand feed him the job but he sucked. Every time he rotated in it was like the wasted plays with Hurts in Philly. They didnt give him the job so he transferred.
The other concerning thing I saw yesterday besides his play was his sad puppy dog face on the sideline after the win. His defense bails him out and heavy more concerned about his run for the Heisman and his draft status.
You aren’t correcting shit. Georgia tried to hand feed him the job but he sucked. Every time he rotated in it was like the wasted plays with Hurts in Philly. They didnt give him the job so he transferred.
The other concerning thing I saw yesterday besides his play was his sad puppy dog face on the sideline after the win. His defense bails him out and heavy more concerned about his run for the Heisman and his draft status.
Sounds like you drink from the same Kool-Aid glass as Kirby Smart. How does it look now for Fields under Day's guidance versus Smart's?
Do you think Smart would rather have Fields right now or stick with his current dynamic duo of Stetson Bennett and JT Daniels?
Fields did not play well yesterday. That happens. We'll see how he responds moving forward.
Correct. Pretty obvious what I wrote. He’s very athletic and big FOR COLLEGE. Like hurts was right? Hurts was a superior athlete in college running withthe ball. At the next level he isn’t fast he isn’t overly powerful. It happens every year. Fields the other day sits in the pocket. Doesn’t feel the blitz. Doesn’t recognize the defense. The sacks he avoids in college are sacks in the nfl. Simmons all over agin. I’ll stop
Fields throws the ball better left handed than Hurts threw the ball right handed. Terrible comparison between the two. One has arm talent, one doesn't. And one understand how to play in the pocket, the other has no idea.
Why do you think Saban benched Hurts for the freshman Tua? Because Hurts was not a serious passing threat...
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In comment 15053460 Tuckrule said:
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At Georgia couldn’t get passed Fromm. At Ohio state he looks every bit the same as every QB who walks through those doors. Athletic QB throwing to open WRs all day. Can’t read the field. Isn’t overly athletic. Gets by with size and strength in college as far as avoiding rushers etc. in the NFL that isn’t going to fly.
Let me correct this. At Georgia, Smart was too stupid to play Eason or Fields over Fromm. As a result, Georgia could never get over the hump largely due to Fromm’s limitations.
This was validated at last year’s draft where Eason was drafted ahead of Fromm. And it was be validated at this next draft when Fields is a high firster.
You say Fields isn’t athletic. But them you say he gets by with size and strength. He’s 6’3” 225 and runs a 4.5. That’s not going to cut it in the NFL?
Correct. Pretty obvious what I wrote. He’s very athletic and big FOR COLLEGE. Like hurts was right? Hurts was a superior athlete in college running withthe ball. At the next level he isn’t fast he isn’t overly powerful. It happens every year. Fields the other day sits in the pocket. Doesn’t feel the blitz. Doesn’t recognize the defense. The sacks he avoids in college are sacks in the nfl. Simmons all over agin. I’ll stop
He is not Hurts. Because he had a bad game against Indiana, he's already a bust? To me, he's no worse than Dad Presocot. He was highly decorated coming out of high school, and there were some who thought he was better than Trevor Lawrence.
No-one knows what lies ahead, but comparing him to every other Ohio State QB is pretty asinine to me.