Shurmur had the offense scoring points even with a shit OL. How about taking a look at what was working? I'm tired of watching three yard curls on third and eight. I get it that the OL is poor at pass protecting,so downfield throws are almost non-existent. Even though it limits the field, have Jones roll out more often as a means to buy time for receivers to get downfield.
I don’t think there’s any inside info there at all
Shurmur had the offense scoring points even with a shit OL. How about taking a look at what was working? I'm tired of watching three yard curls on third and eight. I get it that the OL is poor at pass protecting,so downfield throws are almost non-existent. Even though it limits the field, have Jones roll out more often as a means to buy time for receivers to get downfield.
Shurmur and Eli had a lot of just short of the sticks 3rd down completions....
Not sure why there is such disdain for JG. His offensive scheme has been 10x more imaginative than any of our offensive schemes over the last 10+ years and with the least amount of offensive playmakers. Yes, he has his faults and there may have been missteps, but get me a #1and #2 WR and a TE who can block and catch as well as a healthy SB and THEN I will judge him (no pun intended) whether he should be let go. For my money, he has done a good job with the tools he has to work with.
This is ridiculous if true - and a disgraceful story If unfounded -
We have among the least talented wr corps out there
We have lost our top runner
4 OL with 1 or less years of starting
And a second year qb
And schizophrenic te
JG should win an award
Are any of you ex-players?
Coaches? This is trash all around
Whenever someone says sources say and its not local beats
or Glazer or Schraeger its bullshit. Guy made up an article that seems reasonable based on whats going on, but based in little truth. Garrett has been calling some great games lately, without the teams best player, why the hell would Judge want to get rid of him? Unless our offense lays eggs in the next 3 weeks against these bad defenses he's 100 percent staying.
more offense, Garrett was severely limited with what he could do because of so many new players on the line, injuries to Barkley and his receivers and Jones repeated turnovers. Players need to walk before they run.
They started to turn it around when Tate and Shepard came back and then they picked up Freeman and Morris. The line, especially Gates, is coming together. They have developed a running game that will open up the passing game. In addition, with self scouting done this week, don't be surprised if the reports come back that the route trees are far to simplistic(Graham scouting the offense) or now that things are improving more complex routes can be started.
Do not be surprised, if COVID doesn't rip through the team, to see even more opening of the offense after the bye. Players will be able to handle more creative plays as they grow with each other. As players master the basics and step into advanced plays more explosive plays will happen. As the pass pro improves, Jones will have more time to get the ball downfield maybe even start hitting Engram in the seams like Phil used to do with Bavaro.
Garrett may leave to be HC after the season. Judge may look elsewhere for an OC. But I would not kick Garrett to the curb, yet.
RE: RE: Well, it's obvious things aren't clicking.
Shurmur had the offense scoring points even with a shit OL. How about taking a look at what was working? I'm tired of watching three yard curls on third and eight. I get it that the OL is poor at pass protecting,so downfield throws are almost non-existent. Even though it limits the field, have Jones roll out more often as a means to buy time for receivers to get downfield.
Shurmur and Eli had a lot of just short of the sticks 3rd down completions....
I hate this dumb narrative. Defenders know where the first down line is and they sit their hoping to take one the other way. You run comeback routes short of the sticks hoping your WR can break a tackle and get the first and keep turnovers down. Sometimes you just gotta take what the defense gives you. The key is not to be in 3rd and long to begin with.
As bad as the Giants have been I feel the offense has had some life to it. Plays that kept the defense off stride.
It been enjoyable to see out of the box plays run by a Giant team. I would definitely keep Garrett as long as he wants to stay. If there is any conflict with Judge they should sit and air it out for the benefit of the team. Everything doesn’t have to end with firing someone!
JLC today on CBS: I continue to hear that the #Redskins are increasingly open to trading out... If they do trade back a few spots, I believe strongly they would target Isaiah Simmons, and that's another player who I'm told is super-high on their board.
Hearing a lot of buzz about Tampa as a possible landing spot for Philip Rivers. As reported back in late November, he and the Chargers were likely headed to a parting of the ways.
There is a strong sense among various executives involved in ongoing NFL coaching searches that Matt Rhule is either the next coach of the Giants or staying at Baylor.
Jason La Canfora: Giants could bring back Shurmur
Jason La Canfora: If Giants make a change they will go after
Rivera has strong ties to Giants general manager Dave Gettleman and some members of that staff, and if the Giants make a coaching change it's expected they pursue men who have a proven history of winning as a head coach.
I continue to hear the Browns are deciding between Josh Allen or Sam Darnold with the top pick. Everyone I speak to is convinced they are taking a quarterback there, it's just a matter of which one. If the Giants take a quarterback second overall which is hardly a sure thing. other teams I spoke to believe Josh Rosen would merit serious consideration there.
If Andrew Norwell, the top offensive lineman on the open market, lands anywhere other than the Giants it will be considered a major upset throughout the industry. He is a player Giants GM Dave Gettleman knows well from their time together in Carolina, and the Giants are desperate to finally actually upgrade their offensive line .
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If the Browns are unable to pry Trent Williams out of Washington, the other LT I hear they are interested in is Nate Solder. They've already done a lot of business with the NYG, it's worth noting
As the Jaguars sit in the AFC South cellar at 4–9, there is "growing perception" that Jacksonville's executive vice president Tom Coughlin could be the team's head coach in 2019, according to CBS Sports' Jason La Canfora.
Several people involved in that DE market expect Jared Allen to end up in Denver and Justin Tuck to return to NYG.
La Canfora is creating a rumor because it sounds credible due to the recent removal of Colombo and his relationship with Garett.
Of course he doesn't actually have any real sources this is just an attempt to create a story that is possible.
This is why I stopped watching ESPN and the NFL network because there is very little credibility with these analysts and "experts". They often create rumors based on speculation and protect themselves using words like "could". When it doesn't happen they can just ignore it or claim that the team/player/coach moved on or another team came out of nowhere etc.
Shit stirrers ...the National media just looks for shit.
Our offense has been improving all season. Jones has played 2 straight solid games. The Philly game was our best offensive game of the season. The Giants are red hot in the red zone the last few weeks.
But some of you want Jones to start over with a 3rd OC in less than 3 years?
I honestly wonder what games you guys watch with these opinions, bc it certainly ain’t the Giants
RE: RE: Well, it's obvious things aren't clicking.
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Shurmur had the offense scoring points even with a shit OL. How about taking a look at what was working? I'm tired of watching three yard curls on third and eight. I get it that the OL is poor at pass protecting,so downfield throws are almost non-existent. Even though it limits the field, have Jones roll out more often as a means to buy time for receivers to get downfield/////
Shurmur and Eli had a lot of just short of the sticks 3rd down completions....
More than that, section, consider 2020: brand new system, no OTAs, no camp, brand new line, and the poster's take is one of these blanket, black and white declarations many are fond of. I'd like to see different tweaks on the scheme too, but the number of creative play calls has been increasing and catching defenses off guard.
2020 for this team in its state of moving on from the past 8 years: work in process
For the difficult situation he inherited: a weak OL, no No. 1 WR, no Barkley, no reliable TE and a QB who is still a turnover machine who makes questionable decisions. Still the offense has been more creative lately. Joe Judge and Graham get a pass for the limitations on this team. Why not Garrett?
I think it will be for a HC job. I know that some people will dismiss this claim but I think the poor performance of Dallas this season under McCarthy will help Garrett. His ability to win despite dealing with Jerry Jones and his meddling will likely impress some owners.
The team that I think will be the most interested in Garrett is the Jets. That is not an attractive job even with the likelihood that they land Lawrence 1st overall. I expect a few top choices to pass on that but I think that Garrett would jump at the chance to be a HC again.
Shurmur had the offense scoring points even with a shit OL. How about taking a look at what was working? I'm tired of watching three yard curls on third and eight. I get it that the OL is poor at pass protecting,so downfield throws are almost non-existent. Even though it limits the field, have Jones roll out more often as a means to buy time for receivers to get downfield.
Shurmur and Eli had a lot of just short of the sticks 3rd down completions....
I hate this dumb narrative. Defenders know where the first down line is and they sit their hoping to take one the other way. You run comeback routes short of the sticks hoping your WR can break a tackle and get the first and keep turnovers down. Sometimes you just gotta take what the defense gives you. The key is not to be in 3rd and long to begin with.
No you run past the sticks, forcing the DBs to come with you and then come back. Ho do they know if the WR is going deep or coming back if the WR goes past the line of gain...?
RE: RE: RE: Well, it's obvious things aren't clicking.
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Shurmur had the offense scoring points even with a shit OL. How about taking a look at what was working? I'm tired of watching three yard curls on third and eight. I get it that the OL is poor at pass protecting,so downfield throws are almost non-existent. Even though it limits the field, have Jones roll out more often as a means to buy time for receivers to get downfield/////
Shurmur and Eli had a lot of just short of the sticks 3rd down completions....
More than that, section, consider 2020: brand new system, no OTAs, no camp, brand new line, and the poster's take is one of these blanket, black and white declarations many are fond of. I'd like to see different tweaks on the scheme too, but the number of creative play calls has been increasing and catching defenses off guard.
2020 for this team in its state of moving on from the past 8 years: work in process
Jones and the Giants need to be in one system for more than a year.
The OL is young and has been pinpointed to be an underachieving unit or at least some major players have been pinpointed to be underachieving. Address that and add a big play receiver with hopefully Barkley coming back almost healthy before making any major changes.
Agree. I think Garrett has called strong games the last few weeks. A third system in 3 seasons for Jones would be tough to overcome.
That's an important factor that many have not considered. Constantly changing the offensive system for a young QB is detrimental to their development. As the OL improves and that Giants add more talent at WR and TE the offense will improve and expand.
That’s available to the public that its easy for knowledgeable people to explain and show their critiques. Do some homework and some googling and you’ll see where articles like this are coming from. One guy on this thread talked about Garrett’s “schemes” being a strength. It’s actually 100% the opposite and there’s evidence that Judge has stepped in and changed what Garrett was a doing. If Garrett is the OC next year it will be because Mara won’t let Judge fire him.
Colombo and Garret came together... and Jones has regressed. Not really a stretch to think that with Judge firing Colombo there isn't at least some tension between Judge and Garrett.
You blast DJ (rightfully so, maybe) for missing wide open wrs or failing to see those wide open wrs the last 4-5 weeks and now you can’t wait to run Garrett out of here.
Who the hell do you think is scheming these wrs like slayton to run free like that? Up into the last 2 games the giants have left so many pts on the field i cannot even count that high. But yes fire Garrett just because I say so.
That’s available to the public that its easy for knowledgeable people to explain and show their critiques. Do some homework and some googling and you’ll see where articles like this are coming from. One guy on this thread talked about Garrett’s “schemes” being a strength. It’s actually 100% the opposite and there’s evidence that Judge has stepped in and changed what Garrett was a doing. If Garrett is the OC next year it will be because Mara won’t let Judge fire him.
LOL. So fucking predictable.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Well, it's obvious things aren't clicking.
Shurmur had the offense scoring points even with a shit OL. How about taking a look at what was working? I'm tired of watching three yard curls on third and eight. I get it that the OL is poor at pass protecting,so downfield throws are almost non-existent. Even though it limits the field, have Jones roll out more often as a means to buy time for receivers to get downfield.
Shurmur and Eli had a lot of just short of the sticks 3rd down completions....
I hate this dumb narrative. Defenders know where the first down line is and they sit their hoping to take one the other way. You run comeback routes short of the sticks hoping your WR can break a tackle and get the first and keep turnovers down. Sometimes you just gotta take what the defense gives you. The key is not to be in 3rd and long to begin with.
No you run past the sticks, forcing the DBs to come with you and then come back. Ho do they know if the WR is going deep or coming back if the WR goes past the line of gain...?
Dbacks sit on on the first down markers, they wait on it. This is so off base. If you have safety help over the top, you gamble there. Trust me on this, if it was as easy as just getting to the sticks on first downs wouldn't every NFL team do it on every 3rd down? You don't see that for that very reason unless you really trust your QB and WR out there.
That’s available to the public that its easy for knowledgeable people to explain and show their critiques. Do some homework and some googling and you’ll see where articles like this are coming from. One guy on this thread talked about Garrett’s “schemes” being a strength. It’s actually 100% the opposite and there’s evidence that Judge has stepped in and changed what Garrett was a doing. If Garrett is the OC next year it will be because Mara won’t let Judge fire him.
JLC today on CBS: I continue to hear that the #Redskins are increasingly open to trading out... If they do trade back a few spots, I believe strongly they would target Isaiah Simmons, and that's another player who I'm told is super-high on their board.
Hearing a lot of buzz about Tampa as a possible landing spot for Philip Rivers. As reported back in late November, he and the Chargers were likely headed to a parting of the ways.
There is a strong sense among various executives involved in ongoing NFL coaching searches that Matt Rhule is either the next coach of the Giants or staying at Baylor.
Jason La Canfora: Giants could bring back Shurmur
Jason La Canfora: If Giants make a change they will go after
Rivera has strong ties to Giants general manager Dave Gettleman and some members of that staff, and if the Giants make a coaching change it's expected they pursue men who have a proven history of winning as a head coach.
I continue to hear the Browns are deciding between Josh Allen or Sam Darnold with the top pick. Everyone I speak to is convinced they are taking a quarterback there, it's just a matter of which one. If the Giants take a quarterback second overall which is hardly a sure thing. other teams I spoke to believe Josh Rosen would merit serious consideration there.
If Andrew Norwell, the top offensive lineman on the open market, lands anywhere other than the Giants it will be considered a major upset throughout the industry. He is a player Giants GM Dave Gettleman knows well from their time together in Carolina, and the Giants are desperate to finally actually upgrade their offensive line .
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If the Browns are unable to pry Trent Williams out of Washington, the other LT I hear they are interested in is Nate Solder. They've already done a lot of business with the NYG, it's worth noting
As the Jaguars sit in the AFC South cellar at 4–9, there is "growing perception" that Jacksonville's executive vice president Tom Coughlin could be the team's head coach in 2019, according to CBS Sports' Jason La Canfora.
Several people involved in that DE market expect Jared Allen to end up in Denver and Justin Tuck to return to NYG.
All of this is hilarious because of how wrong he was but also troubling because he still has a job.
And we're now supposed to think that ten games into the season, Judge thinks he made a mistake? Doesn't say much for Judge if Judge is now reversing his judgment.
And we're now supposed to think that ten games into the season, Judge thinks he made a mistake? Doesn't say much for Judge if Judge is now reversing his judgment.
I cant help but think that Judge was kinda guided towards Garrett because of connections, but its clear that the Giants have told Judge that this is his team and to move pieces as he sees fit. He has that until there is no progress and right now there is a lot of it.
Colombo and Garret came together... and Jones has regressed. Not really a stretch to think that with Judge firing Colombo there isn't at least some tension between Judge and Garrett.
Jones plays mistake free football for 2 weeks in a row. Philly win was the best game of his career.
BBI donkey sqaud: “Jones has regressed!”
Sometimes I forget how many stupid Giants fans exist out there
And we're now supposed to think that ten games into the season, Judge thinks he made a mistake? Doesn't say much for Judge if Judge is now reversing his judgment.
That's never been clear. I could see a strong suggestion by Mara that Judge should hire Garrett because:
1. He's an experience play caller with HC experience.
2. He understand the NFCE.
3. He could help Judge navigate HC duties.
4. Mara has apparently always been fond of Garrett.
5. Garrett did good with Dak.
And we're now supposed to think that ten games into the season, Judge thinks he made a mistake? Doesn't say much for Judge if Judge is now reversing his judgment.
That's never been clear. I could see a strong suggestion by Mara that Judge should hire Garrett because:
1. He's an experience play caller with HC experience.
2. He understand the NFCE.
3. He could help Judge navigate HC duties.
4. Mara has apparently always been fond of Garrett.
5. Garrett did good with Dak.
So, from what you posted above, is there any reason you would not hire Garrett?
IMO. I think the offense is definitely coming around and I see Garrett trying to utilize the skill sets of the personnel on offense. He’s also seeing what works and continues to use it until it’s stopped. With that said, there’s been a few calls inside the Redzone that I was not good with. Bringing in the FB on short yardage and handing him the ball, which got stuffed. The jet sweeps to Engram or reverses inside the Redzone.....not going to succeed given the short field defenses have to cover. Anyway, you can see the offense gaining more confidence and with an improved Oline, will only get better IMO. Lastly, as others already mentioned, probably not a very good idea to give DJ his third OC and offensive scheme in last three years. Talk about stunting development.
That’s available to the public that its easy for knowledgeable people to explain and show their critiques. Do some homework and some googling and you’ll see where articles like this are coming from. One guy on this thread talked about Garrett’s “schemes” being a strength. It’s actually 100% the opposite and there’s evidence that Judge has stepped in and changed what Garrett was a doing. If Garrett is the OC next year it will be because Mara won’t let Judge fire him.
Not necessarily. If Garrett is open minded, he could stick,
Colombo and Garret came together... and Jones has regressed. Not really a stretch to think that with Judge firing Colombo there isn't at least some tension between Judge and Garrett.
Jones plays mistake free football for 2 weeks in a row. Philly win was the best game of his career.
BBI donkey sqaud: “Jones has regressed!”
He has had two good games in a row but before that you could easily say he regressed from last year.
No one can be excited with the offense this year and some of that has to be on Garrett. However he lost his best offensive weapon in Game 2, a starting LT before the season began, Shepard was out for several weeks and Andrew Thomas came in anything but ready for the NFL. He inherited an overrated Hernandez, a center who never played the position before, a suddenly aging RG and was forced to use a journeyman RT. The TE free agents have done nothing to fill a void. Did Jones regress because of Garrett, or is he simply not as good as some hoped? It took some time but the OC has adapted. Like some of the diversity we are starting to see in the offensive gameplan, but you can only do so much when the line cannot protect the QB.
If that's the case, it's hard to keep him around even now. What's the point?
Judge tried to pry Brian Daboll away from the Bills. It will be interesting to see if there's anything he can do to get it done, this time around.
Huh?? Hard to keep him around? Over "rumblings"?? That's a terrible take. You let a guy go because some hack is trying to stir the pot? That's not the way teams are run
I have to believe that Judge talked to Garrett about Colombo
likely a few times. I certainly would expect he talked to Garrett, who is his direct employee, before the whole DD thing. I believe Garrett has been in the loop.
In general Garrett probably recommended Colombo and it didn't work out, a fact that Garrett probably acknowledges too. I know I have been in positions where I had an employee who wasn't working out, and my boss wanted to do something else. Eventually you give in because it just isn't worth the effort.
I'm not buying it.
There was always a good chance we'd lose JG after this year. Jets or Texans would be lucky to have Garrett has a HC.
Shurmur and Eli had a lot of just short of the sticks 3rd down completions....
We have among the least talented wr corps out there
We have lost our top runner
4 OL with 1 or less years of starting
And a second year qb
And schizophrenic te
JG should win an award
Are any of you ex-players?
Coaches? This is trash all around
They started to turn it around when Tate and Shepard came back and then they picked up Freeman and Morris. The line, especially Gates, is coming together. They have developed a running game that will open up the passing game. In addition, with self scouting done this week, don't be surprised if the reports come back that the route trees are far to simplistic(Graham scouting the offense) or now that things are improving more complex routes can be started.
Do not be surprised, if COVID doesn't rip through the team, to see even more opening of the offense after the bye. Players will be able to handle more creative plays as they grow with each other. As players master the basics and step into advanced plays more explosive plays will happen. As the pass pro improves, Jones will have more time to get the ball downfield maybe even start hitting Engram in the seams like Phil used to do with Bavaro.
Garrett may leave to be HC after the season. Judge may look elsewhere for an OC. But I would not kick Garrett to the curb, yet.
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Shurmur had the offense scoring points even with a shit OL. How about taking a look at what was working? I'm tired of watching three yard curls on third and eight. I get it that the OL is poor at pass protecting,so downfield throws are almost non-existent. Even though it limits the field, have Jones roll out more often as a means to buy time for receivers to get downfield.
Shurmur and Eli had a lot of just short of the sticks 3rd down completions....
I hate this dumb narrative. Defenders know where the first down line is and they sit their hoping to take one the other way. You run comeback routes short of the sticks hoping your WR can break a tackle and get the first and keep turnovers down. Sometimes you just gotta take what the defense gives you. The key is not to be in 3rd and long to begin with.
It been enjoyable to see out of the box plays run by a Giant team. I would definitely keep Garrett as long as he wants to stay. If there is any conflict with Judge they should sit and air it out for the benefit of the team. Everything doesn’t have to end with firing someone!
Hearing a lot of buzz about Tampa as a possible landing spot for Philip Rivers. As reported back in late November, he and the Chargers were likely headed to a parting of the ways.
There is a strong sense among various executives involved in ongoing NFL coaching searches that Matt Rhule is either the next coach of the Giants or staying at Baylor.
Jason La Canfora: Giants could bring back Shurmur
Jason La Canfora: If Giants make a change they will go after
Rivera has strong ties to Giants general manager Dave Gettleman and some members of that staff, and if the Giants make a coaching change it's expected they pursue men who have a proven history of winning as a head coach.
I continue to hear the Browns are deciding between Josh Allen or Sam Darnold with the top pick. Everyone I speak to is convinced they are taking a quarterback there, it's just a matter of which one. If the Giants take a quarterback second overall which is hardly a sure thing. other teams I spoke to believe Josh Rosen would merit serious consideration there.
If Andrew Norwell, the top offensive lineman on the open market, lands anywhere other than the Giants it will be considered a major upset throughout the industry. He is a player Giants GM Dave Gettleman knows well from their time together in Carolina, and the Giants are desperate to finally actually upgrade their offensive line .
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If the Browns are unable to pry Trent Williams out of Washington, the other LT I hear they are interested in is Nate Solder. They've already done a lot of business with the NYG, it's worth noting
As the Jaguars sit in the AFC South cellar at 4–9, there is "growing perception" that Jacksonville's executive vice president Tom Coughlin could be the team's head coach in 2019, according to CBS Sports' Jason La Canfora.
Several people involved in that DE market expect Jared Allen to end up in Denver and Justin Tuck to return to NYG.
I agree with this. Any idiot can try to connect dots but it doesn't mean he has any inside knowledge.
Of course he doesn't actually have any real sources this is just an attempt to create a story that is possible.
This is why I stopped watching ESPN and the NFL network because there is very little credibility with these analysts and "experts". They often create rumors based on speculation and protect themselves using words like "could". When it doesn't happen they can just ignore it or claim that the team/player/coach moved on or another team came out of nowhere etc.
But some of you want Jones to start over with a 3rd OC in less than 3 years?
I honestly wonder what games you guys watch with these opinions, bc it certainly ain’t the Giants
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Shurmur had the offense scoring points even with a shit OL. How about taking a look at what was working? I'm tired of watching three yard curls on third and eight. I get it that the OL is poor at pass protecting,so downfield throws are almost non-existent. Even though it limits the field, have Jones roll out more often as a means to buy time for receivers to get downfield/////
Shurmur and Eli had a lot of just short of the sticks 3rd down completions....
2020 for this team in its state of moving on from the past 8 years: work in process
This ^ .
The team that I think will be the most interested in Garrett is the Jets. That is not an attractive job even with the likelihood that they land Lawrence 1st overall. I expect a few top choices to pass on that but I think that Garrett would jump at the chance to be a HC again.
Great question.
There is absolutely nothing about Garrett in the story at all. It’s entirely a re-hash of the Colombo story with Garrett’s name in the headline.
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Shurmur had the offense scoring points even with a shit OL. How about taking a look at what was working? I'm tired of watching three yard curls on third and eight. I get it that the OL is poor at pass protecting,so downfield throws are almost non-existent. Even though it limits the field, have Jones roll out more often as a means to buy time for receivers to get downfield.
Shurmur and Eli had a lot of just short of the sticks 3rd down completions....
I hate this dumb narrative. Defenders know where the first down line is and they sit their hoping to take one the other way. You run comeback routes short of the sticks hoping your WR can break a tackle and get the first and keep turnovers down. Sometimes you just gotta take what the defense gives you. The key is not to be in 3rd and long to begin with.
No you run past the sticks, forcing the DBs to come with you and then come back. Ho do they know if the WR is going deep or coming back if the WR goes past the line of gain...?
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Shurmur had the offense scoring points even with a shit OL. How about taking a look at what was working? I'm tired of watching three yard curls on third and eight. I get it that the OL is poor at pass protecting,so downfield throws are almost non-existent. Even though it limits the field, have Jones roll out more often as a means to buy time for receivers to get downfield/////
Shurmur and Eli had a lot of just short of the sticks 3rd down completions....
More than that, section, consider 2020: brand new system, no OTAs, no camp, brand new line, and the poster's take is one of these blanket, black and white declarations many are fond of. I'd like to see different tweaks on the scheme too, but the number of creative play calls has been increasing and catching defenses off guard.
2020 for this team in its state of moving on from the past 8 years: work in process
Yep
The OL is young and has been pinpointed to be an underachieving unit or at least some major players have been pinpointed to be underachieving. Address that and add a big play receiver with hopefully Barkley coming back almost healthy before making any major changes.
Agree. I think Garrett has called strong games the last few weeks. A third system in 3 seasons for Jones would be tough to overcome.
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question is why would you hope it is true?
Agree. I think Garrett has called strong games the last few weeks. A third system in 3 seasons for Jones would be tough to overcome.
That's an important factor that many have not considered. Constantly changing the offensive system for a young QB is detrimental to their development. As the OL improves and that Giants add more talent at WR and TE the offense will improve and expand.
Sport reporters are under immense pressure from their employers to publicize a story.
Here’s the facts. If the “source” doesn’t have a name, that source is a steaming pile of bullshit.
Who the hell do you think is scheming these wrs like slayton to run free like that? Up into the last 2 games the giants have left so many pts on the field i cannot even count that high. But yes fire Garrett just because I say so.
+1
LOL. So fucking predictable.
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Shurmur had the offense scoring points even with a shit OL. How about taking a look at what was working? I'm tired of watching three yard curls on third and eight. I get it that the OL is poor at pass protecting,so downfield throws are almost non-existent. Even though it limits the field, have Jones roll out more often as a means to buy time for receivers to get downfield.
Shurmur and Eli had a lot of just short of the sticks 3rd down completions....
I hate this dumb narrative. Defenders know where the first down line is and they sit their hoping to take one the other way. You run comeback routes short of the sticks hoping your WR can break a tackle and get the first and keep turnovers down. Sometimes you just gotta take what the defense gives you. The key is not to be in 3rd and long to begin with.
No you run past the sticks, forcing the DBs to come with you and then come back. Ho do they know if the WR is going deep or coming back if the WR goes past the line of gain...?
Dbacks sit on on the first down markers, they wait on it. This is so off base. If you have safety help over the top, you gamble there. Trust me on this, if it was as easy as just getting to the sticks on first downs wouldn't every NFL team do it on every 3rd down? You don't see that for that very reason unless you really trust your QB and WR out there.
Tin foil hat wearer!
Hearing a lot of buzz about Tampa as a possible landing spot for Philip Rivers. As reported back in late November, he and the Chargers were likely headed to a parting of the ways.
There is a strong sense among various executives involved in ongoing NFL coaching searches that Matt Rhule is either the next coach of the Giants or staying at Baylor.
Jason La Canfora: Giants could bring back Shurmur
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Rivera has strong ties to Giants general manager Dave Gettleman and some members of that staff, and if the Giants make a coaching change it's expected they pursue men who have a proven history of winning as a head coach.
I continue to hear the Browns are deciding between Josh Allen or Sam Darnold with the top pick. Everyone I speak to is convinced they are taking a quarterback there, it's just a matter of which one. If the Giants take a quarterback second overall which is hardly a sure thing. other teams I spoke to believe Josh Rosen would merit serious consideration there.
If Andrew Norwell, the top offensive lineman on the open market, lands anywhere other than the Giants it will be considered a major upset throughout the industry. He is a player Giants GM Dave Gettleman knows well from their time together in Carolina, and the Giants are desperate to finally actually upgrade their offensive line .
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If the Browns are unable to pry Trent Williams out of Washington, the other LT I hear they are interested in is Nate Solder. They've already done a lot of business with the NYG, it's worth noting
As the Jaguars sit in the AFC South cellar at 4–9, there is "growing perception" that Jacksonville's executive vice president Tom Coughlin could be the team's head coach in 2019, according to CBS Sports' Jason La Canfora.
Several people involved in that DE market expect Jared Allen to end up in Denver and Justin Tuck to return to NYG.
All of this is hilarious because of how wrong he was but also troubling because he still has a job.
Much ado.
I cant help but think that Judge was kinda guided towards Garrett because of connections, but its clear that the Giants have told Judge that this is his team and to move pieces as he sees fit. He has that until there is no progress and right now there is a lot of it.
Yea, I agree. I want Jones to get more comfortable with the system and add some weapons. I dont want yet another coach fired.
Jones plays mistake free football for 2 weeks in a row. Philly win was the best game of his career.
BBI donkey sqaud: “Jones has regressed!”
That's never been clear. I could see a strong suggestion by Mara that Judge should hire Garrett because:
1. He's an experience play caller with HC experience.
2. He understand the NFCE.
3. He could help Judge navigate HC duties.
4. Mara has apparently always been fond of Garrett.
5. Garrett did good with Dak.
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And we're now supposed to think that ten games into the season, Judge thinks he made a mistake? Doesn't say much for Judge if Judge is now reversing his judgment.
That's never been clear. I could see a strong suggestion by Mara that Judge should hire Garrett because:
1. He's an experience play caller with HC experience.
2. He understand the NFCE.
3. He could help Judge navigate HC duties.
4. Mara has apparently always been fond of Garrett.
5. Garrett did good with Dak.
So, from what you posted above, is there any reason you would not hire Garrett?
So, from what you posted above, is there any reason you would not hire Garrett?
I didn't have an issue with it.
Can you provide an example of Garrett being a snake?
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So, from what you posted above, is there any reason you would not hire Garrett?
I didn't have an issue with it.
He is who I hoped they took as OC and I have not lost faith at all.
He is who I hoped they took as OC and I have not lost faith at all.
I actually think he's done a nice job. He called a brilliant game against the Bucs. Jones just couldn't deliver.
I'm fine if we bring him back as of now. Let's see how the rest of the year plays out.
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He is who I hoped they took as OC and I have not lost faith at all.
I actually think he's done a nice job. He called a brilliant game against the Bucs. Jones just couldn't deliver.
I'm fine if we bring him back as of now. Let's see how the rest of the year plays out.
I still think he will opens it up a bit now that the line is better and the running game looks viable.
There's talk of Garrett stepping down at the end of the season but it's all speculation for now.
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Colombo and Garret came together... and Jones has regressed. Not really a stretch to think that with Judge firing Colombo there isn't at least some tension between Judge and Garrett.
Jones plays mistake free football for 2 weeks in a row. Philly win was the best game of his career.
BBI donkey sqaud: “Jones has regressed!”
He has had two good games in a row but before that you could easily say he regressed from last year.
And what's a sqaud?
I take everything with a grain of salt.
If that's the case, it's hard to keep him around even now. What's the point?
Judge tried to pry Brian Daboll away from the Bills. It will be interesting to see if there's anything he can do to get it done, this time around.
If that's the case, it's hard to keep him around even now. What's the point?
Judge tried to pry Brian Daboll away from the Bills. It will be interesting to see if there's anything he can do to get it done, this time around.
Huh?? Hard to keep him around? Over "rumblings"?? That's a terrible take. You let a guy go because some hack is trying to stir the pot? That's not the way teams are run
In general Garrett probably recommended Colombo and it didn't work out, a fact that Garrett probably acknowledges too. I know I have been in positions where I had an employee who wasn't working out, and my boss wanted to do something else. Eventually you give in because it just isn't worth the effort.