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Big Blue Hokie : 11/22/2020 7:25 pm
Per Begley & Wojo confirmed.

Source confirms Jacob Evans has been acquired by Knicks via trade with Minnesota. ESPN reports Omari Spellman and a second round pick are also coming to New York in exchange for Ed Davis. Knicks have acquired 3 second-round picks in acquiring/trading Davis’ $5 million salary.
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anyone know how much room CHA needs to make?  
Italianju : 11/25/2020 11:21 am : link
if they take back Randle are they still ok? I guess we could always take Monk back like was mentioned by someone (Jon?) yesterday. I mean he stinks but you can just let him walk after the year.
if we can pick up a couple more assets...  
Italianju : 11/25/2020 11:23 am : link
in a batum trade this offseason would be looking pretty good.

Also it would be hard with his salary, but i wouldnt be floored if Batum had some trade deadline value if we gave him some mintues.
I forgot. Which Knick executive loved Malik Monk?  
Anakim : 11/25/2020 11:46 am : link
I'd do Jacob Evans and DSJ for Batum, Vernon Carey Jr. and an unprotected first...oh and a 2023 second round pick.
This is why you hired Brock Aller  
nygiants16 : 11/25/2020 11:49 am : link
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Anakim : 11/25/2020 11:56 am : link
Marc Berman
@NYPost_Berman
Per Woj, Mike Miller joining OKC's assistant staff under Mark Daigneault. More money saved by James Dolan as Miller was under contract. Looking back, with this shaping up as a gap season, Miller could've been back as HC. Let's see how Thibodeau handles new rebuilding roster
RE: OKC has a trade exception big enough  
rich in DC : 11/25/2020 12:14 pm : link
In comment 15056518 Strahan91 said:
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to take back Batum without stretching him


Except that OKC is using that exception to complete the trade for Horford.
RE: The  
rich in DC : 11/25/2020 12:20 pm : link
In comment 15056525 Jon in NYC said:
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problem with getting the Knicks involved is they can't absorb the whole contact. They'd need to send out Randle most likely.

Not sure if that's actually a "problem" but it does complicate things.

I wonder if the Celtics would be interested in Randle.


The reports I have seen indicate that the Hornets need about $15-18M in space to fit in Hayward's deal. I don't think the numbers work for Randle, but I don't know the exact numbers.

Option B might be to offer Smith, Frank and some other filler, like Evans in exchange for picks and Batum's contract.

Remember that if the Knicks were to complete the deal, they could work out a buyout with Batum. Batum almost certainly wants to go elsewhere to play or be a bench piece for a contender so he can get a better deal in FA next year. It might not be a big savings, but he could give up a couple million to get away.
RE: RE: OKC has a trade exception big enough  
Strahan91 : 11/25/2020 12:25 pm : link
In comment 15056562 rich in DC said:
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to take back Batum without stretching him



Except that OKC is using that exception to complete the trade for Horford.

It's more complicated than that. They could do this and ask Philly to wait on executing the Horford deal until they can aggregate Danny Green's with another player's.
Hornets have to clear about $9M  
Strahan91 : 11/25/2020 12:28 pm : link
for Hayward. First year of his deal is $28M, so Randle straight up would just get them there if these reported numbers are accurate.
My mistake, slight brain fart  
Strahan91 : 11/25/2020 12:33 pm : link
Difference between Batum's contract and Randle's is ~$8.2M so Charlotte would need to send out a little bit of salary in addition to Batum to clear room for Hayward.
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widmerseyebrow : 11/25/2020 1:18 pm : link
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RE: Frank and Knox are nothing at this point  
GeofromNJ : 11/25/2020 1:34 pm : link
In comment 15055793 nygiants16 said:
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If they improve great but at this point i dont expect anything..

The 3 most important pieces are Rj, Toppin and Mitch..Quickley is important but we dont know what kind of minutes he is going to get yet..

Rj i expect 18 6 and 3, He improves his free throw shooting he should get to 18 easily..

Toppin can be 18 and 7 this year, he should be the starter even with randle on this team..

Mitch 10 and 10 with 3 blocks and i want him at 30 minutes a night..

Totally agree. Knox and Frank will always be poster boys for wasted 1st round selections. I like Toppin and would not be surprised if he starts over Randle despite initial defensive shortcomings. RJ, who showed great potential, will constantly improve. Hopefully Thibodeau can school Mitchell regarding fouls and he stays on the court for longer than 20 minutes a game.
RE: RE: RE: OKC has a trade exception big enough  
rich in DC : 11/25/2020 1:36 pm : link
In comment 15056576 Strahan91 said:
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to take back Batum without stretching him



Except that OKC is using that exception to complete the trade for Horford.


It's more complicated than that. They could do this and ask Philly to wait on executing the Horford deal until they can aggregate Danny Green's with another player's.


Can’t aggregate trade exceptions.
Can any other team but us do this?  
Carl in CT : 11/25/2020 1:45 pm : link
Let’s hope we are the player.
This  
Jon in NYC : 11/25/2020 1:46 pm : link
board is really missing a knicks Asshat.
RE: RE: RE: RE: OKC has a trade exception big enough  
Strahan91 : 11/25/2020 1:53 pm : link
In comment 15056646 rich in DC said:
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Can’t aggregate trade exceptions.

Danny Green the player, not a trade exception from a Danny Green trade.
RE: Can any other team but us do this?  
Strahan91 : 11/25/2020 2:04 pm : link
In comment 15056659 Carl in CT said:
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Let’s hope we are the player.

OKC as mentioned (with the Danny Green caveat) is the only team that can do it without sending any salary back. The Knicks would need to send a small salary back. The other option I suppose is if a third team is willing to send out equal salary to Batum for a player(s) Boston wants in exchange for assets from Charlotte and/or Boston.
WE FINALLY A POINT GUARD....wait  
Anakim : 11/25/2020 2:17 pm : link
Knicks have hired 10-year veteran Aaron Brooks, who is expected to assist the team at the NBA level and G-League level, per @IanBegley
What this board is missing is educated basketball fans  
GMEN46 : 11/25/2020 2:43 pm : link
It’s crazy to me that people say Frank and Knox are done. Frank is 22 and Knox is 21. Sure there trade values are low right now, but no every player comes into the league and becomes a superstar. Knox showed promise in his rookie year and took a step back last year. Let’s give the kid some more time before we say he is a complete waste. Frank came in as a 19 year old foreign player. We were told up front that it would take 3-4 years before he was ready to be a contributor. Let’s see what Frank had this year, knox would be a college senior this year and we already know he is young for his grade level. He just turned 21 in August. You guys are insanely impatient with young players.
RE: What this board is missing is educated basketball fans  
RAIN : 11/25/2020 3:11 pm : link
In comment 15056737 GMEN46 said:
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It’s crazy to me that people say Frank and Knox are done. Frank is 22 and Knox is 21. Sure there trade values are low right now, but no every player comes into the league and becomes a superstar. Knox showed promise in his rookie year and took a step back last year. Let’s give the kid some more time before we say he is a complete waste. Frank came in as a 19 year old foreign player. We were told up front that it would take 3-4 years before he was ready to be a contributor. Let’s see what Frank had this year, knox would be a college senior this year and we already know he is young for his grade level. He just turned 21 in August. You guys are insanely impatient with young players.


I'd agree with this. While not going as best case scenario.. you have two very young guys, that are not killers.

I saw some good signs from Frank last year, as possibly being a great role player on winning team. Defends, moves the ball, but needs to shoot better. If he fixes that piece he is the 3 and D guy we need on the wing. Can guard multiple positions and fits the modern NBA, at least as a trade chip.

Knox is more troubling, but his upside as a shooter cannot be ignored. His defense is terrible, but Thibs should be given a shot to challenge him.

Giving up on both of these guys, in a season where winning is a remote possibility. Is not the way to go. I agree GMEN. I think folks are tired and want to see a good product, but we have couple years yet.

BTW  
Anakim : 11/25/2020 3:18 pm : link
Cade Cunningham will be on at 4 on ESPN
Knox hasn't'really given you a reason to have expectations.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/25/2020 3:19 pm : link
Can you point to games where he showed you something?

Even Frank has done that much.

There's nothing to be gained from getting rid of them, but if the only argument is "they're young", that's not really good enough to hang hopes on.

I can see Frank having a role in the NBA as a 3 and D guy if he has a breakthrough with working on his shot. With Knox, I don't know what he does well enough.
Disagree  
DanMetroMan : 11/25/2020 3:23 pm : link
on a "couple of years". Frank and Knox are ex-Knicks in 2022 if they don't take a step forward this season.
I don't think anyone truly thinks that Knox and Frank are "done."  
Mike from SI : 11/25/2020 3:25 pm : link
We're disappointed that right now their career trajectories look to be "serviceable backups with one or two good skills" (Knox shooting; Frank defense).

It wouldn't be shocking if they improved their games, but there's not a ton of game tape for us to expect that at this point. I think it's ok to be disappointed.
Not  
DanMetroMan : 11/25/2020 3:36 pm : link
trying to be a contrarian, but Knox shot 36% from the field, 37% in 2019 and 33% from 3 this season. Does he have solid form and shooting upside? Sure I guess, but he's has not shown himself to be a good shooter.
RE: Not  
Mike from SI : 11/25/2020 3:45 pm : link
In comment 15056779 DanMetroMan said:
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trying to be a contrarian, but Knox shot 36% from the field, 37% in 2019 and 33% from 3 this season. Does he have solid form and shooting upside? Sure I guess, but he's has not shown himself to be a good shooter.


That's fair. Maybe I should have said scoring.
Cade  
DanMetroMan : 11/25/2020 4:00 pm : link
about to play on ESPN2
RE: Cade  
adamg : 11/25/2020 4:12 pm : link
In comment 15056796 DanMetroMan said:
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about to play on ESPN2
ESPN*
RE: RE: Cade  
DanMetroMan : 11/25/2020 4:13 pm : link
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about to play on ESPN2

ESPN*


Thanks
RE: RE: RE: Cade  
BigBlueShock : 11/25/2020 4:25 pm : link
In comment 15056805 DanMetroMan said:
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about to play on ESPN2

ESPN*



Thanks

5 minutes into the game and OK State was 0-8 from 3pt land. I love college basketball but it can be tough to watch sometimes at this point. I’m trying to get a look at Cunningham and all I got was a bad 3 pt shooting contest
RE: Disagree  
RAIN : 11/25/2020 4:34 pm : link
In comment 15056768 DanMetroMan said:
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on a "couple of years". Frank and Knox are ex-Knicks in 2022 if they don't take a step forward this season.


Dan, I'm with you on that. The couple years.. was not addressing their development, but the Knicks being winners.
This year is make or break for both guys.

My comments boil down to, your not getting anything for them in a trade now, so you need to prioritize getting them some minutes to prove they are worth something, value as a player in this system or as a trade chip.

Playing journeymen in hopes of getting a five more wins, over getting these guys 18 minutes a game, doesn't help the franchise over the mid to long term.
I'm  
DanMetroMan : 11/25/2020 4:40 pm : link
not even a Frank guy but they have not put him in a position to succeed. To me, the upside to Frank is improving the 3 ball and being a guy you can stick on 1-3's and play him as a 2 guard who provides D and 3 balls + decent ball movement. He's just not a PG, he doesn't have the skillset. Knox is more complex, he's had opportunities but had stretches where he looks borderline unplayable. I'm not in his head but he seems like he needs a lot of positive reinforcement but at times even his effort seemed sub-optimal. It didn't look like he even put in much work in the gym when he arrived in camp, but some guy just have that "look"


PS Cade is impressive
Update:  
DanMetroMan : 11/25/2020 4:53 pm : link
Very impressive
Personally, I'm not high on Knox's potential.  
Strahan91 : 11/25/2020 5:16 pm : link
As far as my hopes for the Knicks young guys, he ranks below RJ, Obi, Mitch, Quickley, Frank and DSJ. He just doesn't excel at any one thing that could at least present a floor where he's an NBA rotation player.

He has solid shooting form but the results haven't been there in either of his two seasons on the Knicks nor at Kentucky. He's not a good finisher, lacks quick twitch athleticism, and struggles to create off the dribble.

Given his height, wingspan and fluidity, he has the potential to develop into a solid defender. You can't teach those things so the bull case is that eventually he can that to his advantage by becoming a crafty finisher (using his length and quickness against most 4's to compensate for the lack of explosion and strength) and if he can become a better shooter - a guy who moves well without the ball and stretches the floor.

The problem is, he has a ways to go on all fronts and didn't show any improvement from year 1 to year 2. I agree with Dan that when you watch him play, he doesn't appear to be a guy that is mentally strong. His body language is off, he plays timid most of the time and is seemingly easily discouraged.
Frank & Knox  
Mike in NJ : 11/25/2020 5:19 pm : link
I agree with the thought that we knew he was a 3+ year project when he was drafted, but I also think that through ~180 games we have a pretty good idea of what we are getting.

At this point with him, I think a realistic hope is that he gets to be Kris Dunn with a better 3 pt shot. He really isn't all that far off at this point, the defense is inconsistent but he has shown flashes of brilliance. The shooting has slowly improved, his splits have gone from 36.4/31.8/72.1 as a rookie to 39.3/32.1/86.4 this past season. The free throw percentage is a strong indicator that there is a solid shooter in there some where, and if he could just get to 40/35/90 I think you have to be very happy with that.

As for Knox, I think a coaching change will do him wonders. Through 2 years it really looks like his biggest problem is self confidence and effort. Often times he looks like he just doesn't give a shit out there, hopefully Thibs and Payne can get that out of him and light a fire under his ass.
I jist dont exoect anything from frank or knox  
nygiants16 : 11/25/2020 6:19 pm : link
anything you get from them at this point would be a surprise..

There is some video of DSJ playong pickup with cp3 and few other guys, his shot looks better, no hitch, but obviously we will see what happens..

Tuesday starts camp, 10 days after that preseason
DSJ  
XBRONX : 11/26/2020 8:01 am : link
sucks shooting and his assist to turnover is mediocre.
Thought I'd share this article  
Mike from SI : 11/26/2020 1:45 pm : link
imploring Frank to step it up. Happy Thanksgiving Knicks/Giants fans!
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Granted not a guard  
UGADawgs7 : 11/26/2020 2:46 pm : link
But Terrence Clark looked extremely impressive last night, offensively and defensively. And Devin Askew should be a senior in HS and looked like he has a very nice jump shot, and very excited to watch him progress.
Jalen Suggs would be a hell of a consolation prize  
Anakim : 11/26/2020 3:34 pm : link
If we can't land Cunningham
Sanon  
DanMetroMan : 11/27/2020 12:10 pm : link
heads to Houston in a Rivers sign and trade, the Knicks get 3 mid-30's Euros
Sign and trade for Rivers is official.  
Strahan91 : 11/27/2020 12:11 pm : link
Knicks get draft rights to Sergio Llull and two others. Llull is the big name. He's a legend in Spain. Houston has been trying to get him to come over for a decade now. He's 33 now and it's a long shot he'll come over but maybe the Knicks think there's a shot, otherwise why do the deal?
RE: Sign and trade for Rivers is official.  
DanMetroMan : 11/27/2020 12:16 pm : link
In comment 15057641 Strahan91 said:
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Knicks get draft rights to Sergio Llull and two others. Llull is the big name. He's a legend in Spain. Houston has been trying to get him to come over for a decade now. He's 33 now and it's a long shot he'll come over but maybe the Knicks think there's a shot, otherwise why do the deal?


He recently said he plans to stay in Spain, sounds like may move into a coaching role.
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DanMetroMan : 11/27/2020 12:18 pm : link

Tommy Beer
@TommyBeer
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It's worth noting that Llull's six-year contract with Real Madrid does expire after the 2020-21 season.

However, the legendary Llull (who celebrated his 33rd birthday) told Eurohoops last month:
“My intention is to continue [with Real Madrid], in whatever position they want."
Can the Knicks offer him whatever they want?  
Strahan91 : 11/27/2020 12:23 pm : link
He makes over $2M in Europe which I think is the most the Rockets could pay him being over the cap but I wonder if the Knicks could (not saying they should) offer him more money to entice him.
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DanMetroMan : 11/27/2020 12:28 pm : link
In an interview last summer with Diario AS, Llull addressed the subject of a potential move to the NBA.

Llull said (as translated by Eurohoops.net):

I am not closing the door. I actually appreciate [the] Houston Rockets’ interest every year and also the fact they respect my decision, because they have never pressured me. They are always nice to me, accepting my wishes.
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DanMetroMan : 11/27/2020 12:29 pm : link
“My intention is to continue [with Real Madrid], in whatever position they want,” Llull said in a recent interview, as translated from Spanish to English by Eurohoops.net. “I am very calm, there is no rush. I am focused on having a good season and continue helping to win titles.”

Interesting. On Wikipedia, Sanon was a strong "Draft and Stash" player  
Anakim : 11/27/2020 2:30 pm : link
Only 21. Sounds like he has more of a chance to make the NBA than any of the Euro prospects we have.


JB
@JeffreyBellone

With the Austin Rivers sign-and-trade complete, I believe the Knicks currently hold draft rights on these players:

Sergio Llull
Tadija Dragicevic
Alex Hervelle
Mathias Lessort
Ante Tomic
Ognjen Jaramaz
Louis Labeyrie
Interesting  
Anakim : 11/27/2020 2:39 pm : link
"Why did the number go so high? One major factor in speaking to people familiar with the process: the New York Knicks. Tom Thibodeau and crew are in desperate need of a talent upgrade to the roster, and a 24-year-old shooting guard who hit 42.6 percent of his 3s with the Wolves last season would certainly qualify as an upgrade.

Sources say the Knicks’ first priority for a wing was to get Gordon Hayward and that they told Beasley if they missed out they were coming after him. The Knicks had the cap space, and it would be conceivable that Thibs wouldn’t have minded stealing away a player the Wolves gave up a first-round pick for at the trade deadline....So rather than wait to see if the Knicks were going to extend an offer, which very well could have come since they did miss out on Hayward, Beasley agreed to terms on the spot.....And whether the Knicks were bluffing or not, there was genuine belief within the Wolves that a bigger offer was coming if they didn’t get out in front of it."
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RE: Interesting  
UGADawgs7 : 11/28/2020 2:13 pm : link
In comment 15057740 Anakim said:
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"Why did the number go so high? One major factor in speaking to people familiar with the process: the New York Knicks. Tom Thibodeau and crew are in desperate need of a talent upgrade to the roster, and a 24-year-old shooting guard who hit 42.6 percent of his 3s with the Wolves last season would certainly qualify as an upgrade.

Sources say the Knicks’ first priority for a wing was to get Gordon Hayward and that they told Beasley if they missed out they were coming after him. The Knicks had the cap space, and it would be conceivable that Thibs wouldn’t have minded stealing away a player the Wolves gave up a first-round pick for at the trade deadline....So rather than wait to see if the Knicks were going to extend an offer, which very well could have come since they did miss out on Hayward, Beasley agreed to terms on the spot.....And whether the Knicks were bluffing or not, there was genuine belief within the Wolves that a bigger offer was coming if they didn’t get out in front of it." Link - ( New Window )


Wonder what NYK offer to Beasley was?
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