NFT: Knicks Trade

moves!

A quietly solid Sunday.

with a small contract.

Three years 10 million

Something big is coming. Frank. Dennis. Julius could all be on the move

looking for younger players and draft picks. I think this is what the Knicks need to do right now.

In comment 15054249 Earl the goat said:

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Three years 10 million Something big is coming. Frank. Dennis. Julius could all be on the move

What do you think ends up being the return?

and two players we didn’t have before the weekend. And we’ve lost what? Nada.

They’d a pretty good weekend.

the last two years aren't guaranteed...

Yuck

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sucks but that's an extremely team-friendly deal. That being said not sure the point of Payton + DSJ + Rivers + Frank (and a 2 way deal to Harper. Now I get Rivers plays 2 as well but they seemingly have too many 1's.

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Someone had mentioned that NYK would use Payton as the player exception for a trade? The rules are very confusing but thought that could mean they can’t announce the signing until a trade occurs and they go over the cap because of it?
Also, Kemba Walker would be the best trade out of Wall, Westbrook and Kemba based off of age, Wall nobody knows if he will come back to form and Kemba is $10 M less then all of them. Giving up 2 late firsts sucks but it could make sense as to why they’re stocking up on 2nds to try and use those in a trade instead of the firsts.

Is a complete no go. Huge money, major injury and a dumbass off the court (uh gang signs?).

If Payton is not announced when all the other signings are announced you know the Knicks plan on using all of their cap space..

ability for a trade open a bit longer. Might not mean they have something lined up.

Why do we think BOS is trading Kemba now? Honest question, i cant remember. Was it to get assets for a harden trade? I konw there was some discussion of money savings, but what would they need that money for now?

I dont think there is a big move coming (Which is fine). But i coudl see a couple more Ed Davis type moves. Thing is the roster is basically maxed out so we can really only take picks depending on what we would send back i guess.

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ability for a trade open a bit longer. Might not mean they have something lined up. Why do we think BOS is trading Kemba now? Honest question, i cant remember. Was it to get assets for a harden trade? I konw there was some discussion of money savings, but what would they need that money for now? I dont think there is a big move coming (Which is fine). But i coudl see a couple more Ed Davis type moves. Thing is the roster is basically maxed out so we can really only take picks depending on what we would send back i guess.

Ainge reportedly has shocked Walker all offseason trying to land an even bigger fish

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ability for a trade open a bit longer. Might not mean they have something lined up. Why do we think BOS is trading Kemba now? Honest question, i cant remember. Was it to get assets for a harden trade? I konw there was some discussion of money savings, but what would they need that money for now? I dont think there is a big move coming (Which is fine). But i coudl see a couple more Ed Davis type moves. Thing is the roster is basically maxed out so we can really only take picks depending on what we would send back i guess.

Knicks have until before the season starts to get rid of some guys but cant go over 20 guys..

They are 20 million under the cap, 10 under the floor so by seaaons end they need to spend 10 million..

Just seems like something more is coming

although that depends on the move i guess, ha.

There seems to be a phantom 2023 2nd round pick owed to the Knicks from Utah from Ed Davis trade

Utah has their own 2023 2nd, but where does the extra come from?

They had an extra '23 2nd from NOP (via GSW) from 2019 Favors trade, but sent it to CLE in Exum deal

They turned 27 and 38 into 25 and 33 and then traded it for a second rounder in a better draft.

They avoided giving out the monstrous deals that the rest of the teams gave out this weekend and are now one of the few teams with cap space left.

The roster is not a lot better today than it was but these guys are making smart marginal moves. Hopefully they hit on Toppin and Quickley.

in terms of players added:

Noel: B-
Burks: B (sneaky good addition)
Payton: C+
Rivers: C-

All the contracts are one year and cheap.

That being said, at this point I am disappointed that we still don't have shooters to help spacing and ya know, score. And we still have by far, the worst point guard situation...so in terms of development of the only 3 players that matter (RJB, Obi and Mitch) we have done nothing to help them.

In comment 15054518 DanMetroMan said:

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There seems to be a phantom 2023 2nd round pick owed to the Knicks from Utah from Ed Davis trade Utah has their own 2023 2nd, but where does the extra come from? They had an extra '23 2nd from NOP (via GSW) from 2019 Favors trade, but sent it to CLE in Exum deal

I never saw that both picks were from 2023. All I saw is the Knicks obtained two 2nd round picks.

do not trade for Westbrook or Wall.

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They turned 27 and 38 into 25 and 33 and then traded it for a second rounder in a better draft. They avoided giving out the monstrous deals that the rest of the teams gave out this weekend and are now one of the few teams with cap space left. The roster is not a lot better today than it was but these guys are making smart marginal moves. Hopefully they hit on Toppin and Quickley.

We have no idea if 2023 will be a better draft. People keep calling it the double draft but that is false. Nothing has changed. There is only speculation. It needs to be negotiated and both sides are at a stalemate.

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in terms of players added: Noel: B- Burks: B (sneaky good addition) Payton: C+ Rivers: C- All the contracts are one year and cheap. That being said, at this point I am disappointed that we still don't have shooters to help spacing and ya know, score. And we still have by far, the worst point guard situation...so in terms of development of the only 3 players that matter (RJB, Obi and Mitch) we have done nothing to help them.

Not sure what you mean about shooters. It seems like most of the players brought in can shoot.

the NOP situation...with 4 viable PGs (Lonzo, Bledsoe, Alexander-Walker, Lewis) seems to me a trade target.

draft year will be ehh (maybe top heavy, maybe deep, but overall ehh) But NEXT YEARS DRAFT oh my god its so good. Rinse repeat, ha.

Whether they are planning for the double draft or not, i guess its assets. I mean its not like the are going to make 7 picks that year, lol, so those picks will be moved anyway.

openly let the Knicks know he wasn't interested in joining a bad team which is why they didn't chase him.

I think he was 39% from 3 last season. Really improved. Burks is a shooter as well.

Not the established sniper SG that you might be talking about but that guy wasn't really available.

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I think he was 39% from 3 last season. Really improved. Burks is a shooter as well. Not the established sniper SG that you might be talking about but that guy wasn't really available.

As can Quickley and the kid we got from Seton Hall.

and the rookies to. Rivers has improved his shooting, but he was in HOU where 90% of his 3's were prolly wide open. That wont be happening here.

The PG situation is shitty. I would like them just to run out Frank/Quickley and hope. Rivers is fine, but he makes sense on a contender, payton is a vet PG who does a few things ok but nothing well and cant shoot.

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In comment 15054551 Ten Ton Hammer said: Quote: I think he was 39% from 3 last season. Really improved. Burks is a shooter as well. Not the established sniper SG that you might be talking about but that guy wasn't really available. As can Quickley and the kid we got from Seton Hall.

Powell's poor 3 point shooting as a senior is why he went undrafted. 30.6%. Had he shot at his previous # he pretty easily goes as high as high 2nd round (though 6'2 scorers are a dime a dozen)

disappointed they add so many "trash" PG's because I would like to see Harper get an extended look, not a Frank guy but there are too many bodies. I hope/suspect a trade is going to happen (maybe even DSJ who they hyped up). With FVV back in Toronto I'd still call them and offer a future 1 for Flynn.

thinks "half" the roster is traded at the deadline and was part of the thought process.

like Giles to Portland at that price and Hartenstein to Denver at that price. The Nuggets are somewhat quietly one of the best organizations in the NBA.

now this group seems a bit more useful. Burks, Noel and Rivers seem like guys contenders could use, but who knows.

and i def dont get brining in Payton and Rivers. I mean you drafted a PG plus have Frank and DSJ. If there isnt a trade brewing then how many guards do you need.

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now this group seems a bit more useful. Burks, Noel and Rivers seem like guys contenders could use, but who knows.

Seems pretty clear this is a more active FO with a plan. There pretty clearly are too many bodies for X minutes when Barrett is going to get his 30ish minutes per night at the 2 (or more likely 3).... Frank, Rivers, DSJ, Knox, Burks, Bullock, Quickley and that's even before potentially Iggy or Harper getting some burn.

I've seen this movie already, I know what he is. I don't think he should be taking minutes from anyone else aside from providing some scoring off the bench.

In comment 15054587 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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I've seen this movie already, I know what he is. I don't think he should be taking minutes from anyone else aside from providing some scoring off the bench.

No. But they talked him up all off-season and supposedly Thibs legit likes him and thinks he can be developed. He's not good but I'm also not sure he's significantly worse than Rivers/Payton and he was already here.

wins and all that. But i wouldnt be floored if guys like Frank, Knox, Quickley, etc.. dont get minutes cause they havent "earned" them. We as fans want to see young guys cause we want to see if they can improve and they need minutes to improve. But im not sure coaches always see it the same way. RJ is going to play, but i could see Knox, quickley, iggy, etc not getting any minutes and Toppin getting backup minutes for randle. Frank will play cause of his D. DSJ sux, could care less if he is on the team, def dont need him getting minutes.

Knicks made that exact mistake last season. If a bad team has anything to offer it's extensive minutes for young players and players who are talented but haven't developed. Randle playing heavy minutes over Obi, or someone like Bullock getting heavy minutes over Quickley is flat out dumb. Hopefully, Thibs sticks to his word and they will use the G-League in a more fruitful way.

and its exactly what they did last year. Its why im fearful its going to happen again. Like we want there to be a trade so we know that our youth is playing, but if Thibs rolls out:

Payton
Burks
RJ
Randle
Mitch

toppin (15 minutes), Frank (20 minutes), rivers(15 minute), Noel (15 minutes), and then maybe Knox, bullock, spellman, whoever thibs is liking fills out the last rotation spot?

and then he got a severe concussion against Rutgers and his 3pt shooting struggled after that.

His sophomore and junior years he was a solid 3pt shooter and his FT % is consistentlyhigh.

I believe in the shot. I believe in the toughness, scoring and competitiveness.

Not sure he'll be an effective defender at the NBA level. But if he's passable, he's got a shot to be offense off the bench and have a good career.

my point was that the kids would barely get minutes (toppin, frank) or none at all possibly (Knox, Quickley, Iggy, etc..)

That Thibs will revert to his old habits and play vets full-time. He's going to want to win as many games as possible and it's hard for an old leopard to change his spots.

That and how he believes he wants to develop these guys. I think Toppin's offensive game is extremely suited to today's NBA. He does not take midrange jumpers. He's an at the rim scorer and elbow 3 shooter. I hope they don't put him in an old school box and play him in the post and have him take 2-pointers.

that thibs and the FO have been on the same page. It just made no sense that he came here thinking we were going to build this good team in one offseason with a crappy FA class. Its just that its going to be a pretty big change for him to take his lumps playing kids, but again if him and the FO are on the same page then Rose has told him the expectations of playing the kids. I just dont want to see Randle, Payton, Rivers, etc.. eat up all the minutes.

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That Thibs will revert to his old habits and play vets full-time. He's going to want to win as many games as possible and it's hard for an old leopard to change his spots. That and how he believes he wants to develop these guys. I think Toppin's offensive game is extremely suited to today's NBA. He does not take midrange jumpers. He's an at the rim scorer and elbow 3 shooter. I hope they don't put him in an old school box and play him in the post and have him take 2-pointers.

Didnt Thibs play young guys a lot in Chicago?

Rose, Gibson, Noah, Butler, Deng all young and developed by Thibs

one good thing about this offseason is their 1 year rentals have manageable contracts. They were never going to be able to flip a Bobby Portis making 18 mil at the deadline. The reason they got the first for Morris was because of his way below market value contract signed. With Burke, Peyton, Rivers and Noel all making around 5 mil or less if any have a good year they can likely be spun for picks. Last years crop was too much of bloated contracts that teams needed to do gymnastics just to match salaries for a deadline deal.

seems to have a plan. I believe they had a number in mind for guys like Hayward and prolly many others and didnt want to go over that. Rose prolly knows that descent players dont want to go to shitty teams unless you grossly overpay them. They prolly told him that for years. And instead of overpaying them (which is stupid) he figured he better improve the team. This offseason has been exactly what knick fans have wanted. Dont overspend on avg guys, use the capspace to get assets, sign guys to reasonable deals. I mean burks, rivers, and Noel are solid nba players we got for peanuts.

He never used his bench and ran guys into the ground leading to injuries. He said he has learned from that.

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He never used his bench and ran guys into the ground leading to injuries. He said he has learned from that.

even that is overblown, he played his stars 35 minutes a night, show me a star who plays less than that..

The thing he didnt do was give people load management days, which he will have to do if Knicks ever get a star..

was the point of signing Payton when he now has a NTC?

is they still have non-shooters among all the primary ball-handling players (Payton, DSJ, Rivers, RJB)

Is as good as the come with quickness if he drives to the hoop. Shot? Might be the worst PG in the league. D? Let’s see if he want it. I think his ears have been pinned back a little and knows that his time is short if he doesn’t prove it.

Unfortunately, a complete package at PG or SG is extraordinary valuable.

scenario where Giannis considers NY? If not, the free agency class for 2021 is looking like another letdown as far as any stars landing here.

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scenario where Giannis considers NY? If not, the free agency class for 2021 is looking like another letdown as far as any stars landing here.

None. If he leaves the Bucks he’s going to go ring chasing not looking to join RJ Barrett and Obi Toppin as his best teammates

In comment 15054652 Carl in CT said:

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Is as good as the come with quickness if he drives to the hoop. Shot? Might be the worst PG in the league. D? Let’s see if he want it. I think his ears have been pinned back a little and knows that his time is short if he doesn’t prove it.

With Payton back DSJ isn't even the worst shooting PG on his team lol

In comment 15054674 DanMetroMan said:

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In comment 15054666 ryanmkeane said: Quote: scenario where Giannis considers NY? If not, the free agency class for 2021 is looking like another letdown as far as any stars landing here. None. If he leaves the Bucks he’s going to go ring chasing not looking to join RJ Barrett and Obi Toppin as his best teammates

Well, the only way it could happen is if Rose can also swing a deal for the running mate of Giannis' choice. That's the way all this shit works these days.

such a scenario he's more likely to try and force himself to the Nets than the Knicks.

the Knicks own the rights to Lessort, Tomic, Sanon, Louis Labeyrie am I forgetting anyone? None are likely NBA players.

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such a scenario he's more likely to try and force himself to the Nets than the Knicks.

Well, maybe? But that hasn't worked so far for Harden.

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In comment 15054690 DanMetroMan said: Quote: such a scenario he's more likely to try and force himself to the Nets than the Knicks. Well, maybe? But that hasn't worked so far for Harden.

Giannis would have leverage. Harden is team controlled for 3 more seasons. Massive difference.

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the Knicks own the rights to Lessort, Tomic, Sanon, Louis Labeyrie am I forgetting anyone? None are likely NBA players.

I assume there is some hidden "value" to acquiring these? Anyone know anything, I'm clueless here

In comment 15054704 DanMetroMan said:

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the Knicks own the rights to Lessort, Tomic, Sanon, Louis Labeyrie am I forgetting anyone? None are likely NBA players.

Jaramaz?

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In comment 15054704 DanMetroMan said: Quote: the Knicks own the rights to Lessort, Tomic, Sanon, Louis Labeyrie am I forgetting anyone? None are likely NBA players. Jaramaz?

I knew I was forgetting one. Thanks.

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In comment 15054705 Heisenberg said: Quote: In comment 15054690 DanMetroMan said: Quote: such a scenario he's more likely to try and force himself to the Nets than the Knicks. Well, maybe? But that hasn't worked so far for Harden. Giannis would have leverage. Harden is team controlled for 3 more seasons. Massive difference.

If Giannis leaves the Bucks, he is only interested in 3 teams: Heat, Mavs or Raptors. He is not interested in GSW any longer. I know this from somebody who is the exec assistant one of the Bucks owners. They are scared sh*tless that he is going to walk.

my point is, there is a realistic scenario he's a Knick. He'll link up with a better team.

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my point is, there is a realistic scenario he's a Knick. He'll link up with a better team.

Dan - I was supporting your statement. The Knicks have NO shot at Giannis. He has no interest in New York or this team, from what I understand.

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Makes sense to me. We need to hope Barrett/Obi/Mitch develop to the point they are 3rd/4th best players on good teams, they either land Cade next year, or sign a "Hayward-type" that continues to move the needle and eventually a star (hopefully) bites the bullet and comes here.

him on the cheap. Suns are having themselves an off-season

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Comea here. Lets find our own Giannis, our ow Kawhi or Mitchell. It can be done

The Knicks are at best a bottom 4 team next season. The only teams that I can think of that will be as bad as them are: Cleveland, Detroit, Bulls and OKC. The West is loaded, so maybe Dallas falls off.

Let's just hope they are not #4 and drop to #6.

A very good draft ahead with Cade Cunningham, Jalen Green, Evan Mobley (C), Jonathan Kuminga, Zaire Williams. Of course, there will be others. Cade could be the point guard we are looking for.

I like everything I've seen/heard about Ignas Brazdeikis, but there seems to be ZERO buzz about him coming from the team. Like none.

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I like everything I've seen/heard about Ignas Brazdeikis, but there seems to be ZERO buzz about him coming from the team. Like none.

Probably because he's awful and has no business on an NBA roster

is through trade. Basically like the AD situation. Like if MIL wasnt as good as they are (like NO) and they are really worried that Giannis was walking they could trade him now. Now we dont have the assets now, but whoever the next big star who comes into that situation, maybe we do have the assets. Then you have to convince them to stay long term of course.

And by star i meant established, obviously the real best chance is to draft one. Still crazy that as bad as we have been the last 20 years the best players we drafted are what Gallo and KP? One a good nba player, one could be a star but who knows if he will take that step (and be healthy to).

says they are high on Spellman and believe with their conditioning program he could be a solid get. I tend to agree.

I liked him then. What's he done in the NBA?

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I liked him then. What's he done in the NBA?

Shot 39% from 3 for the Warriors with 5 boards over 49 games with the Warriors

In comment 15054786 Greg from LI said:

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I liked him then. What's he done in the NBA?

Split time between G-League and main rosters, mainly.

Plays 49 games for the Warriors, averaged 8 PPG and shot a solid percentage from 3. Seems to have conditioning issues.

the Knicks are smart, they give Obi run at the 5 when Mitch is on the bench.

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the Knicks are smart, they give Obi run at the 5 when Mitch is on the bench.

I'm sure this will happen, but a 6'9 220 player who can't defend is a recipe for disaster as a center.

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In comment 15054792 DanMetroMan said: Quote: the Knicks are smart, they give Obi run at the 5 when Mitch is on the bench. I'm sure this will happen, but a 6'9 220 player who can't defend is a recipe for disaster as a center.

There are more talented big 3/4's than scoring 5's. When Obi is at the 5 the biggest concern will be ring protection but there were reportedly "multiple" lottery teams that had him as 5 straight 5 on their board.

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Shot 39% from 3 for the Warriors with 5 boards over 49 games with the Warriors

Nice. I know one of the questions about him was whether he could shoot NBA 3s.

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Where's Elijah Wood when you need him.

is a 0% chance...what is our best possible outcome for this team the next 2-3 years? I think it probably looks something like this, in order of importance:

1. Barrett develops into an all star
2. Toppin develops into an all star caliber player
3. Thibs gets everyone rolling on defense
4. Team hits on a top 10-15 lottery pick in 2021
5. Knox develops into *something*
6. Randle gets traded for a late 1st
7. Quickley develops into a quality PG

If all of those things happen, the team is still at best, a 5 seed

id have him guarding the 5 a lot of times. Mitch has shown ability to guard in space when he has to. I mean i dont want him guarding the guards, but letting him guard the better offensive player between the 4/5 makes sense. Of course i dont know how much they will play together due to stupid randle.

because, quite honestly I think we can forget about them.

Toppin has signed, per Steve Popper

but if Barrett and Toppin are all stars and they hit on the 21 pick then they will be in great shape. Two young all stars, lots of picks and capspace. Then you start being able to interest stars to come here to play with your young all stars. Or you use 1 of them with picks in a trade to get a star as well as sign one. The problem is we havent really drafted too many all stars lately.

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is a 0% chance...what is our best possible outcome for this team the next 2-3 years? I think it probably looks something like this, in order of importance: 1. Barrett develops into an all star 2. Toppin develops into an all star caliber player 3. Thibs gets everyone rolling on defense 4. Team hits on a top 10-15 lottery pick in 2021 5. Knox develops into *something* 6. Randle gets traded for a late 1st 7. Quickley develops into a quality PG If all of those things happen, the team is still at best, a 5 seed

If all of those things happened, the Knicks would have no problem recruiting a superstar via FA or trading for one. Of course, best possible outcome if we're playing that game is winning the lottery next year as well, drafting Cade Cunningham who becomes a top 5 player in the NBA.

am very high on Barrett. There's a ton of room for improvement and he had some great moments last year.

exactly...the fact that ALL of those have to happen for the Knicks to become relevant is just sad. But that's where we are.

I liked the Thibs hire a lot.

always hard to tell who will/won't fit well with Thibs though.

If those guys blossom, good players will want to play with them. That buy-in is what they need - right now, no one good is willing to go to the Knicks because there's no supporting cast. They have got to develop someone to be attractive to any FA worth a damn.

i mean a lot of the stuff you listed there doesnt matter, so it doesnt all have to happen. What has to happen is that one of RJ/Toppin has to look like an all star level player, Mitch has to be able to play 30+ minutes and take another step and we have to hit on the lottery pick. Those are really the only things that matter.

received cash as part of the Ed Davis deal

I didn't get a single lol on my ring protection Elijah Wood joke

says he is most comfortable playing the point and played off the ball because Calipari asked him to and that is what you do at Kentucky..

Says he was a pick and roll passer and learned to play off the ball

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I didn't get a single lol on my ring protection Elijah Wood joke

I've never seen a single Lord of the Rings (or Lord of the Rings related movie, or any of the 500 Fast and the Furious movies). So there's that lol

Fantasy stories with elves and goblins and whatever aren't my thing.

will wear #1

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will wear #1

Really embracing the Amare comparisons, huh

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says he is most comfortable playing the point and played off the ball because Calipari asked him to and that is what you do at Kentucky..

I've seen this elsewhere as well. Would be intriguing if he can play PG at the NBA level. At least one PG who can shoot a little would be helpful.

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says he is most comfortable playing the point and played off the ball because Calipari asked him to and that is what you do at Kentucky.. Says he was a pick and roll passer and learned to play off the ball

Thanks for posting that, interesting.
Think I read somewhere that Obi is potentially a deadly PnR player.
Could explain why Knicks were higher on Quickley than most.

"overdrafted" Quickley with the belief he could be developed into a legit PG?

Mark Jackson and Rod Sticklund come to find.

$4 million over 2 years. I would have kept him at that number.

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"overdrafted" Quickley with the belief he could be developed into a legit PG?

I think they over drafted his shooting.
He is definitely a tweener but has a good stroke and a very solid defender.
IMO he will never be starting PG but a good role player that can hit the open 3
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$4 million over 2 years. I would have kept him at that number.

Glad he is gone, he took some of the worst shots, got hot every 5 games..

Jist never liked him and he is already 26

Him and Obi talked on draft night, Toppin has already been in the building working out, Quickley went to get his covid test today so he can be in the building and start working out

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$4 million over 2 years. I would have kept him at that number.

Strange the Knicks showed no interest in bringing him back. Good shooter. Maybe they just view him as a Phil pick and want to move on?

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Jonathan Macri @JMacriNBA Being told that the Knicks have opened dialogue with the Charlotte Hornets about a potential swap between Frank Ntilikina (sadly) and Terry Rozier

Marci just tweeted out that this is a fake account

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Jonathan Macri @JMacriNBA Being told that the Knicks have opened dialogue with the Charlotte Hornets about a potential swap between Frank Ntilikina (sadly) and Terry Rozier

I think this was from a fake account that Macri replied to

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Jonathan Macri @JMacriNBA Being told that the Knicks have opened dialogue with the Charlotte Hornets about a potential swap between Frank Ntilikina (sadly) and Terry Rozier

Apparently, this was a fake macri account?
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Sorry, dudes

think there is another trade coming. Too many repetitive pieces.

4, maybe 5 PGs is a notable one. Assuming they wont trade Rivers, Payton and Quickley, have to think Frank and/or DSJ is on the move.

Same with Randle, who is just blocking Toppin.

They're still also way below the salary floor.

They have to add 10 million by the end of the year..

They have to get rid of 1 guy before season starts..

They obviously have no trust in Frank or DSJ..

He's a decent three point shooter but nothing special. And he wasn't especially good at anything else, aside from playing hard.

that Brandon Ingram has not signed a conteact yet?

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In comment 15055059 nygiants16 said:

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that Brandon Ingram has not signed a conteact yet?

Not really. I believe they can go over the cap to retain him and there is no risk of losing him so it makes sense to wait.

And watch them scramble.

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And watch them scramble.

They don't have 50 million to offer. They have something like 30, Ingram isn't signing an offer sheet 1 for 30 when his max is 5 for 158.3

FWIW, there isn't anything punitive about being below the salary floor - you just pay up to it and it's split among the current players (so you end up paying the same amount but nothing more). Not sure if there are bad optics with players/agents about being below the floor. You also don't need to get there until the end of the year so there is a real advantage to having the most space going into the season - you can be a facilitator for trades and likely collect some assets for the effort.

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FWIW, there isn't anything punitive about being below the salary floor - you just pay up to it and it's split among the current players (so you end up paying the same amount but nothing more). Not sure if there are bad optics with players/agents about being below the floor. You also don't need to get there until the end of the year so there is a real advantage to having the most space going into the season - you can be a facilitator for trades and likely collect some assets for the effort.

Good point here. I remember one year with the Hinkie Sixers they were way below the salary floor and the players were excited they going to get a good amount of money split up. Problem was Hinkie traded for a big salaried player at the deadline to reach the minimum. Supposedly the team was very pissed about it.

Smith? Yes please. Do it Leon.

im fine with adding any former first rounder from the last couple years

Smith is 2 months older than Kevin Knox

“Outmaneuvered by Michael Jordan for Gordon Hayward.” LOL.

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“Outmaneuvered by Michael Jordan for Gordon Hayward.” LOL.

Kay should not be allowed to talk about anything but baseball. Hayward at 4 years and that money was something Isiah Thomas would have done.

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“Outmaneuvered by Michael Jordan for Gordon Hayward.” LOL.

Hr also said laat week the Kbicks should trade the 8th pick for Westbrook

Mitch (30)/Noel (18)
Obi (30)/Randle (18)
RJ (36)/Burks (12)
Rivers (30)/Burks (18)
Payton (24)/Frank (24)

Out of rotation:
Bullock
DSJ
Spellman
Quickley
Iggy
Harper
Knox
Pinson


There just has to be a trade. You can't have DSJ and Knox rot on the bench. Would love to find minutes for Quickley too, but I'm not sure where.

start Burks over Rivers. 39% from 3, 16.67 PER, .101 WS/48. He struggled in the playoffs otherwise I think he would have received a much better deal.

so i think you can find some guard minutes there for someone like Quickley or if knox earns some minutes you could play Burks and Rivers less then 30. Overall id love that rotation though.

In comment 15055154 Jon in NYC said:

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Mitch (30)/Noel (18) Obi (30)/Randle (18) RJ (36)/Burks (12) Rivers (30)/Burks (18) Payton (24)/Frank (24) Out of rotation: Bullock DSJ Spellman Quickley Iggy Harper Knox Pinson There just has to be a trade. You can't have DSJ and Knox rot on the bench. Would love to find minutes for Quickley too, but I'm not sure where.

I'd expect to see deeper rotation and flatter minute allotments in the first few weeks of the season. Going to be very interesting to see if any of these guys were able to really progress during the incredibly long offseason - and worth giving everyone enough burn to suss that out before making big moves I think.

sees frank as more of a 2/3 then a pg. Have they come out and said anything about that?

In comment 15055156 DanMetroMan said:

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start Burks over Rivers. 39% from 3, 16.67 PER, .101 WS/48. He struggled in the playoffs otherwise I think he would have received a much better deal.

I would start both and put the ball in Rjs hands

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so i think you can find some guard minutes there for someone like Quickley or if knox earns some minutes you could play Burks and Rivers less then 30. Overall id love that rotation though.

I don't think Rivers needs any minutes, personally

is enough to keep me interested for however many games we play this season.

right up against the hard cap

Knox is such a disappointment. That’s the main black eye of late (among others obviously) but we had a top 10 pick and seems won’t get a thing out of that pick. It was a downright terrible first round across the board though.

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Seems like Perry is just a figurehead at this point, Perrin, Aller and Wes are probably more highly thought of

He wrote about the double draft as if it is a definite when it is not. Then he said after the trade of Ed Davis that we would be releasing both players we acquired even though the Knicks seem high on Spellman or whatever his name is. He was off on something else too recently.

Rivers/payton
Burkes/quickley
RJ/Bullock
Toppin/randle
Mitch/Noel

Starting unit ball in RJs hands let him create, he is surrounded by 3 guys who can shoot the 3 and a rim runner..

Bench unit has a scorer in Randle, a distributor in Payton, 2 shooters and a rim runner and protector..

Team should get out and run, a lot of pieces that like the open floor

In comment 15055152 Pete44 said:

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In comment 15055151 bceagle05 said: Quote: “Outmaneuvered by Michael Jordan for Gordon Hayward.” LOL. Kay should not be allowed to talk about anything but baseball. Hayward at 4 years and that money was something Isiah Thomas would have done.

I’m the last guy to exhibit any sticker shock but I still can’t believe how how much Hayward got. And the length of the deal. It’s like Charlotte didn’t even keep tabs on this guy’s career the last few years.

Is they're pretty tight with the leaks. So I doubt any of these reporters really have a clue what they're up to. Basically until draft day nobody had a real beat on who they were really interested until Toppin started becoming a possibility. So all this talk about interest or no interest in trades for certain players is pure speculation IMHO.

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Another guy who seems like Frank...

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In comment 15055300 nygiants16 said:

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Rivers/payton Burkes/quickley RJ/Bullock Toppin/randle Mitch/Noel

That looks pretty good based on who we have. I wonder what happens with Frank, though, under that scenario. Still seems like a trade is needed, if possible.

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pretty quickly, no pun intended.

Knox is screwed, too. All these guard acquisitions point to RJ at small forward, where he belongs. Toppin is obviously a PF, so Knox is already fighting for scraps.

I like this. Let the kids play. If we have any cream it will rise. The rest of them that can’t make it then see ya next year. I’m all for this but I’m relying on Leon to open up huge money and build that super team next year. ( yes I can dream).

No Burn, it makes no sense. They need 18 a night at min.

Frank has earned a shot. It’s a tank year. We need to be realistic.

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No Burn, it makes no sense. They need 18 a night at min. Frank has earned a shot. It’s a tank year. We need to be realistic.

Knox got the coach that made him a lottery pick it's time for him to step and get minutes.
We need to find out this year if he a can a player.

so if Frank and/or Knox are in, it's a rotation of > 10.

What's Thibs' track record on rotations? Does he ever go above 10?

He stinks. He was a massive bust.

In comment 15055365 RAIN said:

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No Burn, it makes no sense. They need 18 a night at min. Frank has earned a shot. It’s a tank year. We need to be realistic.

Frank and knox have not earned anything, if you think Thibs is just goingntonlose on purpose like Fizdale did i got a bridge to sell you..

Thibs is not going to gice frank and knkx minutes just because they were lottery picks a few years ago..

Until frank can knockdowm the 3 he should not play..

the more i see a Chauncey Billups type of Point guard, I would love if Thibs went with him at point but i dont know if he goes 4 youbg guys in the starting lineup

His ceiling is a 3 and D combo guard. And right now he doesn't have the 3. You see flashes of the offense here and there but if he doesn't make a leap this year, I think he never will. I would rather watch him than Payton but that's a low bar. You can't really say he's earned more minutes with his play. Maybe he will this year.

In comment 15055463 Heisenberg said:

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His ceiling is a 3 and D combo guard. And right now he doesn't have the 3. You see flashes of the offense here and there but if he doesn't make a leap this year, I think he never will. I would rather watch him than Payton but that's a low bar. You can't really say he's earned more minutes with his play. Maybe he will this year.

This. He can take the ball up at times but he’s not a PG

fixing his shot would be a huge help to this team
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This was a good read.

In comment 15055459 nygiants16 said:

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the more i see a Chauncey Billups type of Point guard, I would love if Thibs went with him at point but i dont know if he goes 4 youbg guys in the starting lineup

He says he's a PG. It will be interesting if somehow UK was holding him back in this regard with how they played him.

I am just not a believer in his intangibles. Just too low in terms motor, IQ, skills, awareness to effectively use the athletic gifts. I think this may be his last shot to stick in the league.

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Frank has earned a shot.

Just by being on the roster? I don't buy it.

If I told you a basketball player has been receiving professional (not high school, not college. Professional, paid-for leagues) coaching and training since the age of 15, you would expect that by age 22 he would be more than just a defender with an occasional ability to make a shot.


The guy is what he is, IMO. The argument that 'he's young' only makes sense if he hasn't seen a lot of coaching. He has though.

Charlotte is still discussing sign and trade details to clear cap for Hayward..

Some talk of Batum and assets for Randle

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Charlotte is still discussing sign and trade details to clear cap for Hayward.. Some talk of Batum and assets for Randle

Sign me TF up.

In comment 15055517 nygiants16 said:

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Charlotte is still discussing sign and trade details to clear cap for Hayward.. Some talk of Batum and assets for Randle

It makes sense from their perspective. Randle is the more valuable player and rather than having cap hits of $9M for each of the next 3 years, they have Randle's salary this year and then $4M next year (the guaranteed portion of his contract). Just not sure how much $14M in cap savings over two seasons is worth in assets?

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In comment 15055517 nygiants16 said: Quote: Charlotte is still discussing sign and trade details to clear cap for Hayward.. Some talk of Batum and assets for Randle It makes sense from their perspective. Randle is the more valuable player and rather than having cap hits of $9M for each of the next 3 years, they have Randle's salary this year and then $4M next year (the guaranteed portion of his contract). Just not sure how much $14M in cap savings over two seasons is worth in assets?

Apparently the Knicks really wanted Vernon Carey. Wonder if the Hornets would give him up.

at least Randle would be off the roster.

Does seem like a solid fit. CHA has all their firsts, they also have some interesting young players like Bridges who maybe we can pry away. They were also the team who took Carey who we know the knicks liked. We could send them Randle and absorb the rest of his salary.

This could have some legs as long as Batum isnt officially stretched.

Malik Monk was involved as well. Perry's apparently liked him for a while and he's a Kentucky guy.

isnt even the shooter he was supposed to be.

Id have some interest in J. McDaniels as well. I mean honestly Batum, Carey, McDaneils for Randle seems like a no brainer for CHA. They dont have a lot of bigs so Randle is actually useful for them. But more importantly instead of paying Batum 9 mill a year for years they can just get one year of Randle (plus the guarantee).

Randle, Frank, Iggy for Batum, Monk, Carey, 2023 1st

Who says no?

but its basically Frank for a 2023 first and Carey. Sure id do it if the 2023 first doesnt have like top 20 protections. Wouldnt have to be unprotected but id want only like a top 5 protection.

with the "official" moves we have made could we still absorb Batum outright? I know there was some talk about exceptions being used and all that but i cant do the cap math. Just thinking if we could get more from CHA to just take that 27 id rather do that (even though i want randle off this team).

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with the "official" moves we have made could we still absorb Batum outright? I know there was some talk about exceptions being used and all that but i cant do the cap math. Just thinking if we could get more from CHA to just take that 27 id rather do that (even though i want randle off this team).

Not at this point. Even if you delay the timing so Payton goes into the room exception, they'd still have about 17 mil to spend, so we'd be 10 short.

he's going to be on the floor in the fourth quarter of tight games.

Knox doesn't do anything well.

should be praying for a Randle trade. Otherwise I'm not sure how he's going to see the floor.

C: Mitch (30)/Noel (18)

PF: Obi (26)/Randle (22)

SF: RJ (34)/Bullock and Knox fight for 14

SG: Up for grabs with Rivers, Ntilikina, Burks...3 very different players and none are good

PG: Payton (28)/Quickley (20)

Out of rotation:
DSJ
Spellman
Iggy
Harper
Pinson

C: Mitch (30)/Noel (18)

PF: Obi (26)/Randle (22)

SF: RJ (34)/Bullock and Knox fight for 14

SG: Up for grabs with Rivers, Ntilikina, Burks...3 very different players and none are good

PG: Payton (28)/Quickley (20)

Out of rotation:
DSJ
Spellman
Iggy
Harper
Pinson

read on the 2021 draft. Cunningham is going to be an absolute stud, but the talent in the top 5 is so much better than this year.

Also all of the guys in the top 5 should fit really well with the current roster.

It's a good year to be bad.
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read on the 2021 draft. Cunningham is going to be an absolute stud, but the talent in the top 5 is so much better than this year. Also all of the guys in the top 5 should fit really well with the current roster. It's a good year to be bad. Link - ( New Window )

Wonder what the Knicks do with the 6th pick of the 2021 draft.

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In comment 15055653 Jon in NYC said: Quote: read on the 2021 draft. Cunningham is going to be an absolute stud, but the talent in the top 5 is so much better than this year. Also all of the guys in the top 5 should fit really well with the current roster. It's a good year to be bad. Link - ( New Window ) Wonder what the Knicks do with the 6th pick of the 2021 draft.

Lol.

It really is tough to see many teams that will be worse than the Knicks. Maybe the Pistons, maybe the Cavs, maybe the Bulls...anyone else?

Hopefully it finally pays off for us. I will say the new lotto obviously flattens the odds but it matters how bad we are for the floor of our pick. If we have the 3rd worst record vs. 6th worst, it would change our expected pick from 4/5 to 7/8, which could matter a lot in this draft.

But yeah, I'd expect a bottom five team. A top five draft pick is a different story.

They were wise to bring in Rubio as a vet presence, but the KAT/D-Lo/Edwards trio seems like a ticking time bomb.

young guys take a big step forward, I think we're going to be the worst team in the league. Some of these other bad teams have established vet NBA starters. We basically have Randle.

Knox,RJ,Frank would need to make a big jump.
Robinson need to stay out of foul trouble to stay on the floor for 30 minutes.
Toppin game needs to translate to the NBA.
Even if all these thing break right we might not win 30 games.
Also Thibs is famous for a shallow rotation and riding his starting 5.

If he wants to win we could see the vets they signed getting big minutes.

have preferred they waited and picked up someone like Bowman vs. adding BOTH Payton/Rivers. Bowman struggled from 3 as a rookie, but career 39% at BC. Big-time athlete.

He never shot that high a percentage even there. Granted, he played for a weak team and likely felt compelled to force shots at times.

I still don't know how Jim Christian keeps his job. The 2017 team had two NBA players in Bowman and Robinson and still went only 19-16 and got bounced in the first round of the NIT.

If they improve great but at this point i dont expect anything..

The 3 most important pieces are Rj, Toppin and Mitch..Quickley is important but we dont know what kidn of minutes he is going to get yet..

Rj i expect 18 6 and 3, He improves his free throw shooting he should get to 18 easily..

Toppin can be 18 and 7 this year, he should be thr starter even with randle on this team..

Mitch 10 and 10 with 3 blocks and i want him at 30 minutes a night..

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He never shot that high a percentage even there. Granted, he played for a weak team and likely felt compelled to force shots at times. I still don't know how Jim Christian keeps his job. The 2017 team had two NBA players in Bowman and Robinson and still went only 19-16 and got bounced in the first round of the NIT.

Greg,
Honestly, I was just using him as an example of a guy I would have preferred over 2 extremely mediocre veterans to go with DSJ/Frank. I think one would have been enough and rotate guys like Bowman onto the roster until you hit on one.

There's no reason why a bad team should be leaning on established mediocrities. If Pat Riley could do it, when he dug up Starks and Mason out of the CBA to be primary bench guys, there's no reason the Knicks can't do it now when they're much worse than the team Riley inherited.

which is surprising, there waa talk they would wait to keep cap flexibility

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which is surprising, there waa talk they would wait to keep cap flexibility

I think there is a growing belief that Giannis is staying put. He is Greece now but supposed to return and sign soon.

and Davis signs a 5 year extension so i dont have to hear all the bs rumors all season?

Rumors of Dallas having a chance at him cemented that for me.

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and Davis signs a 5 year extension so i dont have to hear all the bs rumors all season?

That will help start the rumors that the Knicks are saving cap space for 2022.......

That's been the one and only consistent thing we've heard reported since Rose took over, yet the clowns like Kay, Stephen A., Kellerman, etc., push the free agency narrative. At this point, all Knicks fans know free agency is a dead end.

makes me think Giannis is happening soon. They have the same agent and if the heat are giving up 2021 space my guess is they were told that Giannis isnt leaving.

If Zion stays healthy that's a fun team.

I just want Randle traded and Payton as a backup instead of starting. If i have to watch these 2 start another 72 games impeding the development of the young guys by taking playing time away from them, causing spacing issues on the court, freezing out RJ on the court im going to go crazy.

Give me a staring lineup of Rivers , Burks, RJ, Obi, Mitch and if Frank shows improvement then let him start as well. Just let the youth play and learn from their mistakes. They arent learning by sitting on the bench or by playing with extremely selfish players who also cause spacing issues

been doing a deep dive into Obi film (admittedly nowhere near a scout) but one takeaway is for as explosive as he is as a leaper, he's extremely stiff. Maybe yoga or something of that nature can help him but I think his defensive "growth" is going to be limited to whatever they can cook up to limit his flaws.

in for 20 years is by following the Nets model when Marks took over as GM and they had limited assets to work with. The hoping for a Fa to come and save them has not nor will ever work.

He gave young guys who failed on their previous teams a chance (Dinwiddie, Harris )and through their player development they turned into very good role players. He drafted well (Levert, Allen )and he made good trades taking salary dumps for capspace and trading for DLO .

There are no shortcuts. You need to be patient and acquire as many assets as possible , draft well, and then most importantly and this is where the Knicks fail over and over again is set the youth up on your team with the chance for success.

You play your youth, you take chances on young guys from other teams who might need a change of scenery but you also pair them with unselfish vets who are going to help their growth and not hurt it . The knicks do the opposite of this every year and then wonder why they end up in the same shitty situation every year. They sign mediocre vets who are looking for their next paycheck, who play selfish basketball, who are not content to take a backseat to the youth, and who dont compliment them on the court .

This is what Perry does. He has been doing it for 15 years since he was assistant GM for the Magic, then the Kings, and now GM with the Knicks. He has not had 1 winning season as an executive in 15 years . He brings in vets and buries the youth behind them and he doesn't care how they fit on the court. He doesn't know how to construct a roster as we saw last year with 6 PF. He should have been fired along with Mills

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been doing a deep dive into Obi film (admittedly nowhere near a scout) but one takeaway is for as explosive as he is as a leaper, he's extremely stiff. Maybe yoga or something of that nature can help him but I think his defensive "growth" is going to be limited to whatever they can cook up to limit his flaws.

When i watch him all i see is a young stoudemire..

Defensively hopefully Thibs can get him to just be average

For any kind of real defensive work.

I think he's just going to be a natural scorer who is a threat at all levels.

Amare was much more explosive an athlete but it took him years to perfect a reliable shot. Obi already has one.

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For any kind of real defensive work. I think he's just going to be a natural scorer who is a threat at all levels. Amare was much more explosive an athlete but it took him years to perfect a reliable shot. Obi already has one.

More explosive an athlete? I'm not sure about that. Toppin is pretty wildly athletic. Amare was a freak but it's close.

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which is surprising, there waa talk they would wait to keep cap flexibility

I think Giannis signes the supermax. But they can always create the space if they need it. They did it for Butler last year.

And Bam deserves the extension and it goes a long way to reward the guy.

extension the Pelicans are at the luxury tax line.

I'd 100% call them about Lonzo. It's tough to see him re-signing there with Kira and Bledsoe now in the mix. I'd do Lonzo for Knox and a 2nd.

Scott Perry is the reason the Knicks have been a laughing stock for 20 years. Scott Perry is the reason no decent NBA player let alone a star layer will go anywhere near the Knicks. Scott Perry is the reason the Knicks keep doing the same stupid things over and over and expecting different results even though every aspect of the organization has turned over at least 3 times in the past 6 years.

Guess what Knick "fans" any of you stockholm syndromed poor souls who continue to support the Knicks thinking well one of these days it will turn around, Dolan wants to win, he'll spend the money, he's not really a heinous poisonous narcissistic sociopath egomaniac with an inferiority complex. Actually you're wrong he is and the Knicks will never be a good team as long as he's alive. If you don't think that's how it will work guess what we're 20 years into a 40 year Donald Sterling like run. There is no end. It will will never end. Over under for this year 22 1/2.

That damn Scott Perry if only he was gone.
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You nailed it with Obi. He is a taller RJ Barrett when it comes to athleticism. He can jump really high, but his lateral movement is awful. Same with RJ. Unless they are jumping up and down they look like old men and very un athletic. I think Obi will end up being a great 6th man one day, but I’m annoyed with the pick overall for reasons that no one else will agree with me on. I wanted Halliburton first and Lewis second.

I am still very bullish on Kevin Knox at the PF position. I think last year was a complete loss of confidence and mental. I really wanted Knox given the shot at PF for 25-30 mins a night. He has all the talent in the world and he is 21 years old and much more athletic than Obi and RJ.

Also all the Frank haters on here, Frank is going to make continued strides this year. He will play some point and play some off guard. Unfortunately his peak will not be in a Knicks uniform, but all contending teams will be fighting for him in free agency next year or at the trade deadline. Golden State has been interested for years. He will be above 36 percent from 3 this year and play solid defense woth a high IQ in the court.

Deonte Burton is a really, really, really poor offensive player. So poor it's hard to see his defense ever getting him much time on the court

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You nailed it with Obi. He is a taller RJ Barrett when it comes to athleticism. He can jump really high, but his lateral movement is awful. Same with RJ. Unless they are jumping up and down they look like old men and very un athletic. I think Obi will end up being a great 6th man one day, but I’m annoyed with the pick overall for reasons that no one else will agree with me on. I wanted Halliburton first and Lewis second. I am still very bullish on Kevin Knox at the PF position. I think last year was a complete loss of confidence and mental. I really wanted Knox given the shot at PF for 25-30 mins a night. He has all the talent in the world and he is 21 years old and much more athletic than Obi and RJ.

With all do respect, this doesn't make any sense at all. Knox isn't near the athlete Obi is (nor is RJ). Obi is vertically explosive, whereas Knox has no quick twitch athleticism at all. Obi's explosion allows him to finish in traffic, whereas Knox has to settle for weak floaters and off-balance jumpers because he lacks an verticality at all.

There's just no burst or quick first step with Knox. Sure, he might move a little better laterally than Obi who has tight hip which makes it hard for him to change direction quickly on defense. But to say Knox is a better athlete is just nowhere close to reality unless you have a very different definition of athleticism.

to clarify something, I didn't want them to take Obi but my comment wasn't some latent hating on him. I've been watching some extended clips/video and I his vertical explosion is evident, he has a very smooth almost Marion like outside shot, solid handle for a big, impressive passing, but the rigid hips and side to side are very evident.

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If Zion stays healthy that's a fun team.

My brother told me that Zion is the longest tenured Pelican. If true, UFB.

At 22 years old.

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In comment 15055365 RAIN said: Quote: No Burn, it makes no sense. They need 18 a night at min. Frank has earned a shot. It’s a tank year. We need to be realistic. Frank and knox have not earned anything, if you think Thibs is just goingntonlose on purpose like Fizdale did i got a bridge to sell you.. Thibs is not going to gice frank and knkx minutes just because they were lottery picks a few years ago.. Until frank can knockdowm the 3 he should not play..

Right, because Alec Burks is the man with the upside that needs to play. He's the guy to get us to the playoffs. Ditto Payton and Rivers. If you expect Rivers and Payton to develop into something they are not currently, then you are selling yourself the aforementioned bridge.

The goal is not to win this year, its too develop the talent. Our core is flimsy. Barrett is not a sure thing to be a #1 or #2 threat on a championship team, you need other pieces. Those guys, whom we have invested a lot in terms of draft capital, need to be given a shot to develop fully.

Knox and Frank need to play. If they aren't practicing well and not buying in, then no they don't deserve burn. This hasn't been the case. Is it smart to give up on Frank at 22 and Knox at 21? I'd argue no. The only way I would agree is if they aren't working and aren't buying in. The new staff needs to evaluate them on the floor and give the new development staff a shot. The old regimes were short on development resources from what I have heard.

A lot of NYC talk, very funny and engaging. Talked about admiring LBJ and KD, but they “tie their sneakers the same way I do.” Some other cliche answers but he’s very polished with the media.

received the Wolves 2026 2nd rounder in the Ed Davis trade. You didn't read that wrong lol

Knicks School Alerts
@KnicksAlerts
After missing on some of their top targets, Leon Rose “made a big push” for Jerami Grant, who signed with Detroit, per @NYPost_Berman

In comment 15056116 RAIN said:

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In comment 15055442 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 15055365 RAIN said: Quote: No Burn, it makes no sense. They need 18 a night at min. Frank has earned a shot. It’s a tank year. We need to be realistic. Frank and knox have not earned anything, if you think Thibs is just goingntonlose on purpose like Fizdale did i got a bridge to sell you.. Thibs is not going to gice frank and knkx minutes just because they were lottery picks a few years ago.. Until frank can knockdowm the 3 he should not play.. Right, because Alec Burks is the man with the upside that needs to play. He's the guy to get us to the playoffs. Ditto Payton and Rivers. If you expect Rivers and Payton to develop into something they are not currently, then you are selling yourself the aforementioned bridge. The goal is not to win this year, its too develop the talent. Our core is flimsy. Barrett is not a sure thing to be a #1 or #2 threat on a championship team, you need other pieces. Those guys, whom we have invested a lot in terms of draft capital, need to be given a shot to develop fully. Knox and Frank need to play. If they aren't practicing well and not buying in, then no they don't deserve burn. This hasn't been the case. Is it smart to give up on Frank at 22 and Knox at 21? I'd argue no. The only way I would agree is if they aren't working and aren't buying in. The new staff needs to evaluate them on the floor and give the new development staff a shot. The old regimes were short on development resources from what I have heard.

Thibs is not just going to coach to lose, If you expect him to play only young guys i got a bridge to sell you..

This is not going to be Fizdale type tabnking, thibs is coaching to win

In comment 15056148 DanMetroMan said:

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Knicks School Alerts @KnicksAlerts After missing on some of their top targets, Leon Rose “made a big push” for Jerami Grant, who signed with Detroit, per @NYPost_Berman

The 5 bigs lineup with Robinson, Toppin, Grant, Noel, and Barrett?

I call it the Runaway Knox.I prefer it happens on the side of the court where Dolan sits,with a lot of players guarding the basket.

Ya never know

NYK FUTURE DRAFT PICKS
(through 2023)

5 first round picks
1) Own 2021 + (swap LAC)
2) DAL 2021
3) Own 2022
4) Own 2023
5) DAL 2023 (Top 10 protected)

Up to 8 second round picks
1) CHA 2021
2) DET 2021
3) Own 2022
4) Own 2023
5) DET 2023
6) UTA 2023
7) Unknown UTA
8) MIN 2026

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received the Wolves 2026 2nd rounder in the Ed Davis trade. You didn't read that wrong lol

Jesus Christ. Will we still be around by then? :D

In comment 15056150 nygiants16 said:

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thibs is coaching to win

I don't think he understands what he's up against

It out there. What unexpected Knick is going to step up and earn his stripes this year. Everyone only gets 1 name.

I’m going with everyone’s favorite and longest tenured Knick

Frankie!!!!!!

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NYK FUTURE DRAFT PICKS (through 2023) 5 first round picks 1) Own 2021 + (swap LAC) 2) DAL 2021 3) Own 2022 4) Own 2023 5) DAL 2023 (Top 10 protected) Up to 8 second round picks 1) CHA 2021 2) DET 2021 3) Own 2022 4) Own 2023 5) DET 2023 6) UTA 2023 7) Unknown UTA 8) MIN 2026

The Knicks having a 1st round swap with the Clippers is almost as funny as when George asked Susan for a Pre-nup in Seinfeld

Did I miss Greg's reaction to the Austin Rivers signing?

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In comment 15056155 DanMetroMan said: Quote: NYK FUTURE DRAFT PICKS (through 2023) 5 first round picks 1) Own 2021 + (swap LAC) 2) DAL 2021 3) Own 2022 4) Own 2023 5) DAL 2023 (Top 10 protected) Up to 8 second round picks 1) CHA 2021 2) DET 2021 3) Own 2022 4) Own 2023 5) DET 2023 6) UTA 2023 7) Unknown UTA 8) MIN 2026 The Knicks having a 1st round swap with the Clippers is almost as funny as when George asked Susan for a Pre-nup in Seinfeld

You never know. Most people would’ve thought a 2020 pick swap with golden state would be worthless. Consider it a lottery ticket.

Stein reporting Knicks were ultimately willing to go 4 years for Hayward but not at the level of Cha. I’m not sure how I’d feel if they got him for something like 4/100.

In comment 15056150 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 15056116 RAIN said: Quote: In comment 15055442 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 15055365 RAIN said: Quote: No Burn, it makes no sense. They need 18 a night at min. Frank has earned a shot. It’s a tank year. We need to be realistic. Frank and knox have not earned anything, if you think Thibs is just goingntonlose on purpose like Fizdale did i got a bridge to sell you.. Thibs is not going to gice frank and knkx minutes just because they were lottery picks a few years ago.. Until frank can knockdowm the 3 he should not play.. Right, because Alec Burks is the man with the upside that needs to play. He's the guy to get us to the playoffs. Ditto Payton and Rivers. If you expect Rivers and Payton to develop into something they are not currently, then you are selling yourself the aforementioned bridge. The goal is not to win this year, its too develop the talent. Our core is flimsy. Barrett is not a sure thing to be a #1 or #2 threat on a championship team, you need other pieces. Those guys, whom we have invested a lot in terms of draft capital, need to be given a shot to develop fully. Knox and Frank need to play. If they aren't practicing well and not buying in, then no they don't deserve burn. This hasn't been the case. Is it smart to give up on Frank at 22 and Knox at 21? I'd argue no. The only way I would agree is if they aren't working and aren't buying in. The new staff needs to evaluate them on the floor and give the new development staff a shot. The old regimes were short on development resources from what I have heard. Thibs is not just going to coach to lose, If you expect him to play only young guys i got a bridge to sell you.. This is not going to be Fizdale type tabnking, thibs is coaching to win

Yea I think the Knicks win more this season than people expect. Thibs is going to go Pat Riley circa 91 training camp on these guys and it’s going to lead to a better team. Knicks better be ready for to run and run and run and run some more in practice. And then even running. They will play defense and they won’t lose due to conditioning or lack of effort. They will be bad, but they will play hard. 28-32 wins.

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It out there. What unexpected Knick is going to step up and earn his stripes this year. Everyone only gets 1 name. I’m going with everyone’s favorite and longest tenured Knick Frankie!!!!!!

Randle. He’s going to have a huge year here under thibs.

Release 8-9 and go shopping next year.

Give me RJ.

Offer sheet:
Kings have until Midnight to match and supposedly they are trying to match/ shopping Hield to make it work. Would it make any sense for NYK to trade Randle for Hield?

in a Knicks uni. That's all I ask for in 2021 NBA wise.

I’d want more then just dumping randle.

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Stein reporting Knicks were ultimately willing to go 4 years for Hayward but not at the level of Cha. I’m not sure how I’d feel if they got him for something like 4/100.

I would have liked Hayward, but not at that price.

who on the current roster will play well enough to show they can be part of a core going forward...

for me: Toppin, RJ, Mitch, Rivers, Quickley, Noel will all show something to keep beyond this year and keep adding to them..

core piece, along with Rivers.

of Vegas - 22.5 wins projected.
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of Vegas - 22.5 wins projected. Knicks the worst? - ( New Window )

The '21 draft is stacked...

(Other then taking minutes from young guys) contract is not bad. We have room for it this year and it only cost $4m to get rid of him next year. Why take on a big #? Some know more than me if he is worth that kind of #.

On to Atlanta. Wayne E to Detroit I believe.

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On to Atlanta. Wayne E to Detroit I believe.

Kings don't match offer sheet for who?

They have a pretty decent team now, at least by Eastern Conference standards.

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in a Knicks uni. That's all I ask for in 2021 NBA wise.

I can't even think about this after Zion and Morant.
2021 looks to be a really deep draft top 3 would be perfect

Adrian Wojnarowski
@wojespn
Sources: Boston and Charlotte have worked on a sign-and-trade for Gordon Hayward that would land Celtics a trade exception, but Hornets have first been trying to find a third team for Nic Batum's $27M contract to see if there's a way to avoid waiving-and-stretching his money.

@hornets have all of their future 1sts, AND a 2nd rounder in 2021 that previously belonged to @knicks. They also have their 2022 2nd rounder. MJ, we'll take a lottery-protected #1 and our 2nd rounder back. Thanks!

to take back Batum without stretching him

problem with getting the Knicks involved is they can't absorb the whole contact. They'd need to send out Randle most likely.

Not sure if that's actually a "problem" but it does complicate things.

I wonder if the Celtics would be interested in Randle.

JB
@JeffreyBellone
Recent signings aren’t official, so these aren’t exact figures, but if Knicks wait to sign Payton, and they traded Jacob Evans + Iggy, they could take back Batum’s $27.1 million salary with ~$600,000 in space to spare.

Then use Room MLE to sign Payton

if they take back Randle are they still ok? I guess we could always take Monk back like was mentioned by someone (Jon?) yesterday. I mean he stinks but you can just let him walk after the year.

in a batum trade this offseason would be looking pretty good.

Also it would be hard with his salary, but i wouldnt be floored if Batum had some trade deadline value if we gave him some mintues.

I'd do Jacob Evans and DSJ for Batum, Vernon Carey Jr. and an unprotected first...oh and a 2023 second round pick.

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Marc Berman
@NYPost_Berman
Per Woj, Mike Miller joining OKC's assistant staff under Mark Daigneault. More money saved by James Dolan as Miller was under contract. Looking back, with this shaping up as a gap season, Miller could've been back as HC. Let's see how Thibodeau handles new rebuilding roster

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to take back Batum without stretching him

Except that OKC is using that exception to complete the trade for Horford.

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problem with getting the Knicks involved is they can't absorb the whole contact. They'd need to send out Randle most likely. Not sure if that's actually a "problem" but it does complicate things. I wonder if the Celtics would be interested in Randle.

The reports I have seen indicate that the Hornets need about $15-18M in space to fit in Hayward's deal. I don't think the numbers work for Randle, but I don't know the exact numbers.

Option B might be to offer Smith, Frank and some other filler, like Evans in exchange for picks and Batum's contract.

Remember that if the Knicks were to complete the deal, they could work out a buyout with Batum. Batum almost certainly wants to go elsewhere to play or be a bench piece for a contender so he can get a better deal in FA next year. It might not be a big savings, but he could give up a couple million to get away.

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In comment 15056518 Strahan91 said: Quote: to take back Batum without stretching him Except that OKC is using that exception to complete the trade for Horford.

It's more complicated than that. They could do this and ask Philly to wait on executing the Horford deal until they can aggregate Danny Green's with another player's.

for Hayward. First year of his deal is $28M, so Randle straight up would just get them there if these reported numbers are accurate.

Difference between Batum's contract and Randle's is ~$8.2M so Charlotte would need to send out a little bit of salary in addition to Batum to clear room for Hayward.

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If they improve great but at this point i dont expect anything.. The 3 most important pieces are Rj, Toppin and Mitch..Quickley is important but we dont know what kind of minutes he is going to get yet.. Rj i expect 18 6 and 3, He improves his free throw shooting he should get to 18 easily.. Toppin can be 18 and 7 this year, he should be the starter even with randle on this team.. Mitch 10 and 10 with 3 blocks and i want him at 30 minutes a night..

Totally agree. Knox and Frank will always be poster boys for wasted 1st round selections. I like Toppin and would not be surprised if he starts over Randle despite initial defensive shortcomings. RJ, who showed great potential, will constantly improve. Hopefully Thibodeau can school Mitchell regarding fouls and he stays on the court for longer than 20 minutes a game.

In comment 15056576 Strahan91 said:

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In comment 15056562 rich in DC said: Quote: In comment 15056518 Strahan91 said: Quote: to take back Batum without stretching him Except that OKC is using that exception to complete the trade for Horford. It's more complicated than that. They could do this and ask Philly to wait on executing the Horford deal until they can aggregate Danny Green's with another player's.

Can’t aggregate trade exceptions.

Let’s hope we are the player.

board is really missing a knicks Asshat.

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Can’t aggregate trade exceptions.

Danny Green the player, not a trade exception from a Danny Green trade.

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Let’s hope we are the player.

OKC as mentioned (with the Danny Green caveat) is the only team that can do it without sending any salary back. The Knicks would need to send a small salary back. The other option I suppose is if a third team is willing to send out equal salary to Batum for a player(s) Boston wants in exchange for assets from Charlotte and/or Boston.

Knicks have hired 10-year veteran Aaron Brooks, who is expected to assist the team at the NBA level and G-League level, per @IanBegley

It’s crazy to me that people say Frank and Knox are done. Frank is 22 and Knox is 21. Sure there trade values are low right now, but no every player comes into the league and becomes a superstar. Knox showed promise in his rookie year and took a step back last year. Let’s give the kid some more time before we say he is a complete waste. Frank came in as a 19 year old foreign player. We were told up front that it would take 3-4 years before he was ready to be a contributor. Let’s see what Frank had this year, knox would be a college senior this year and we already know he is young for his grade level. He just turned 21 in August. You guys are insanely impatient with young players.

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It’s crazy to me that people say Frank and Knox are done. Frank is 22 and Knox is 21. Sure there trade values are low right now, but no every player comes into the league and becomes a superstar. Knox showed promise in his rookie year and took a step back last year. Let’s give the kid some more time before we say he is a complete waste. Frank came in as a 19 year old foreign player. We were told up front that it would take 3-4 years before he was ready to be a contributor. Let’s see what Frank had this year, knox would be a college senior this year and we already know he is young for his grade level. He just turned 21 in August. You guys are insanely impatient with young players.

I'd agree with this. While not going as best case scenario.. you have two very young guys, that are not killers.

I saw some good signs from Frank last year, as possibly being a great role player on winning team. Defends, moves the ball, but needs to shoot better. If he fixes that piece he is the 3 and D guy we need on the wing. Can guard multiple positions and fits the modern NBA, at least as a trade chip.

Knox is more troubling, but his upside as a shooter cannot be ignored. His defense is terrible, but Thibs should be given a shot to challenge him.

Giving up on both of these guys, in a season where winning is a remote possibility. Is not the way to go. I agree GMEN. I think folks are tired and want to see a good product, but we have couple years yet.

Cade Cunningham will be on at 4 on ESPN

Can you point to games where he showed you something?

Even Frank has done that much.

There's nothing to be gained from getting rid of them, but if the only argument is "they're young", that's not really good enough to hang hopes on.

I can see Frank having a role in the NBA as a 3 and D guy if he has a breakthrough with working on his shot. With Knox, I don't know what he does well enough.

on a "couple of years". Frank and Knox are ex-Knicks in 2022 if they don't take a step forward this season.

We're disappointed that right now their career trajectories look to be "serviceable backups with one or two good skills" (Knox shooting; Frank defense).

It wouldn't be shocking if they improved their games, but there's not a ton of game tape for us to expect that at this point. I think it's ok to be disappointed.

trying to be a contrarian, but Knox shot 36% from the field, 37% in 2019 and 33% from 3 this season. Does he have solid form and shooting upside? Sure I guess, but he's has not shown himself to be a good shooter.

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trying to be a contrarian, but Knox shot 36% from the field, 37% in 2019 and 33% from 3 this season. Does he have solid form and shooting upside? Sure I guess, but he's has not shown himself to be a good shooter.

That's fair. Maybe I should have said scoring.

about to play on ESPN2

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about to play on ESPN2

ESPN*

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Thanks

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5 minutes into the game and OK State was 0-8 from 3pt land. I love college basketball but it can be tough to watch sometimes at this point. I’m trying to get a look at Cunningham and all I got was a bad 3 pt shooting contest

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on a "couple of years". Frank and Knox are ex-Knicks in 2022 if they don't take a step forward this season.

Dan, I'm with you on that. The couple years.. was not addressing their development, but the Knicks being winners.
This year is make or break for both guys.

My comments boil down to, your not getting anything for them in a trade now, so you need to prioritize getting them some minutes to prove they are worth something, value as a player in this system or as a trade chip.

Playing journeymen in hopes of getting a five more wins, over getting these guys 18 minutes a game, doesn't help the franchise over the mid to long term.

not even a Frank guy but they have not put him in a position to succeed. To me, the upside to Frank is improving the 3 ball and being a guy you can stick on 1-3's and play him as a 2 guard who provides D and 3 balls + decent ball movement. He's just not a PG, he doesn't have the skillset. Knox is more complex, he's had opportunities but had stretches where he looks borderline unplayable. I'm not in his head but he seems like he needs a lot of positive reinforcement but at times even his effort seemed sub-optimal. It didn't look like he even put in much work in the gym when he arrived in camp, but some guy just have that "look"


PS Cade is impressive

Very impressive

As far as my hopes for the Knicks young guys, he ranks below RJ, Obi, Mitch, Quickley, Frank and DSJ. He just doesn't excel at any one thing that could at least present a floor where he's an NBA rotation player.

He has solid shooting form but the results haven't been there in either of his two seasons on the Knicks nor at Kentucky. He's not a good finisher, lacks quick twitch athleticism, and struggles to create off the dribble.

Given his height, wingspan and fluidity, he has the potential to develop into a solid defender. You can't teach those things so the bull case is that eventually he can that to his advantage by becoming a crafty finisher (using his length and quickness against most 4's to compensate for the lack of explosion and strength) and if he can become a better shooter - a guy who moves well without the ball and stretches the floor.

The problem is, he has a ways to go on all fronts and didn't show any improvement from year 1 to year 2. I agree with Dan that when you watch him play, he doesn't appear to be a guy that is mentally strong. His body language is off, he plays timid most of the time and is seemingly easily discouraged.

I agree with the thought that we knew he was a 3+ year project when he was drafted, but I also think that through ~180 games we have a pretty good idea of what we are getting.

At this point with him, I think a realistic hope is that he gets to be Kris Dunn with a better 3 pt shot. He really isn't all that far off at this point, the defense is inconsistent but he has shown flashes of brilliance. The shooting has slowly improved, his splits have gone from 36.4/31.8/72.1 as a rookie to 39.3/32.1/86.4 this past season. The free throw percentage is a strong indicator that there is a solid shooter in there some where, and if he could just get to 40/35/90 I think you have to be very happy with that.

As for Knox, I think a coaching change will do him wonders. Through 2 years it really looks like his biggest problem is self confidence and effort. Often times he looks like he just doesn't give a shit out there, hopefully Thibs and Payne can get that out of him and light a fire under his ass.

anything you get from them at this point would be a surprise..

There is some video of DSJ playong pickup with cp3 and few other guys, his shot looks better, no hitch, but obviously we will see what happens..

Tuesday starts camp, 10 days after that preseason

sucks shooting and his assist to turnover is mediocre.

imploring Frank to step it up. Happy Thanksgiving Knicks/Giants fans!
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But Terrence Clark looked extremely impressive last night, offensively and defensively. And Devin Askew should be a senior in HS and looked like he has a very nice jump shot, and very excited to watch him progress.

If we can't land Cunningham

heads to Houston in a Rivers sign and trade, the Knicks get 3 mid-30's Euros

Knicks get draft rights to Sergio Llull and two others. Llull is the big name. He's a legend in Spain. Houston has been trying to get him to come over for a decade now. He's 33 now and it's a long shot he'll come over but maybe the Knicks think there's a shot, otherwise why do the deal?

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Knicks get draft rights to Sergio Llull and two others. Llull is the big name. He's a legend in Spain. Houston has been trying to get him to come over for a decade now. He's 33 now and it's a long shot he'll come over but maybe the Knicks think there's a shot, otherwise why do the deal?

He recently said he plans to stay in Spain, sounds like may move into a coaching role.

Tommy Beer
@TommyBeer
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It's worth noting that Llull's six-year contract with Real Madrid does expire after the 2020-21 season.

However, the legendary Llull (who celebrated his 33rd birthday) told Eurohoops last month:
“My intention is to continue [with Real Madrid], in whatever position they want."

He makes over $2M in Europe which I think is the most the Rockets could pay him being over the cap but I wonder if the Knicks could (not saying they should) offer him more money to entice him.

In an interview last summer with Diario AS, Llull addressed the subject of a potential move to the NBA.

Llull said (as translated by Eurohoops.net):

I am not closing the door. I actually appreciate [the] Houston Rockets’ interest every year and also the fact they respect my decision, because they have never pressured me. They are always nice to me, accepting my wishes.

“My intention is to continue [with Real Madrid], in whatever position they want,” Llull said in a recent interview, as translated from Spanish to English by Eurohoops.net. “I am very calm, there is no rush. I am focused on having a good season and continue helping to win titles.”

Only 21. Sounds like he has more of a chance to make the NBA than any of the Euro prospects we have.


JB
@JeffreyBellone

With the Austin Rivers sign-and-trade complete, I believe the Knicks currently hold draft rights on these players:

Sergio Llull
Tadija Dragicevic
Alex Hervelle
Mathias Lessort
Ante Tomic
Ognjen Jaramaz
Louis Labeyrie

"Why did the number go so high? One major factor in speaking to people familiar with the process: the New York Knicks. Tom Thibodeau and crew are in desperate need of a talent upgrade to the roster, and a 24-year-old shooting guard who hit 42.6 percent of his 3s with the Wolves last season would certainly qualify as an upgrade.

Sources say the Knicks’ first priority for a wing was to get Gordon Hayward and that they told Beasley if they missed out they were coming after him. The Knicks had the cap space, and it would be conceivable that Thibs wouldn’t have minded stealing away a player the Wolves gave up a first-round pick for at the trade deadline....So rather than wait to see if the Knicks were going to extend an offer, which very well could have come since they did miss out on Hayward, Beasley agreed to terms on the spot.....And whether the Knicks were bluffing or not, there was genuine belief within the Wolves that a bigger offer was coming if they didn’t get out in front of it."
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"Why did the number go so high? One major factor in speaking to people familiar with the process: the New York Knicks. Tom Thibodeau and crew are in desperate need of a talent upgrade to the roster, and a 24-year-old shooting guard who hit 42.6 percent of his 3s with the Wolves last season would certainly qualify as an upgrade. Sources say the Knicks’ first priority for a wing was to get Gordon Hayward and that they told Beasley if they missed out they were coming after him. The Knicks had the cap space, and it would be conceivable that Thibs wouldn’t have minded stealing away a player the Wolves gave up a first-round pick for at the trade deadline....So rather than wait to see if the Knicks were going to extend an offer, which very well could have come since they did miss out on Hayward, Beasley agreed to terms on the spot.....And whether the Knicks were bluffing or not, there was genuine belief within the Wolves that a bigger offer was coming if they didn’t get out in front of it." Link - ( New Window )

Wonder what NYK offer to Beasley was?