NFT: Knicks Trade

moves!

A quietly solid Sunday.

with a small contract.

Three years 10 million

Something big is coming. Frank. Dennis. Julius could all be on the move

looking for younger players and draft picks. I think this is what the Knicks need to do right now.

In comment 15054249 Earl the goat said:

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Three years 10 million Something big is coming. Frank. Dennis. Julius could all be on the move

What do you think ends up being the return?

and two players we didn’t have before the weekend. And we’ve lost what? Nada.

They’d a pretty good weekend.

the last two years aren't guaranteed...

Yuck

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sucks but that's an extremely team-friendly deal. That being said not sure the point of Payton + DSJ + Rivers + Frank (and a 2 way deal to Harper. Now I get Rivers plays 2 as well but they seemingly have too many 1's.

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In comment 15054492 Ira said:

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Someone had mentioned that NYK would use Payton as the player exception for a trade? The rules are very confusing but thought that could mean they can’t announce the signing until a trade occurs and they go over the cap because of it?
Also, Kemba Walker would be the best trade out of Wall, Westbrook and Kemba based off of age, Wall nobody knows if he will come back to form and Kemba is $10 M less then all of them. Giving up 2 late firsts sucks but it could make sense as to why they’re stocking up on 2nds to try and use those in a trade instead of the firsts.

Is a complete no go. Huge money, major injury and a dumbass off the court (uh gang signs?).

If Payton is not announced when all the other signings are announced you know the Knicks plan on using all of their cap space..

ability for a trade open a bit longer. Might not mean they have something lined up.

Why do we think BOS is trading Kemba now? Honest question, i cant remember. Was it to get assets for a harden trade? I konw there was some discussion of money savings, but what would they need that money for now?

I dont think there is a big move coming (Which is fine). But i coudl see a couple more Ed Davis type moves. Thing is the roster is basically maxed out so we can really only take picks depending on what we would send back i guess.

In comment 15054507 Italianju said:

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ability for a trade open a bit longer. Might not mean they have something lined up. Why do we think BOS is trading Kemba now? Honest question, i cant remember. Was it to get assets for a harden trade? I konw there was some discussion of money savings, but what would they need that money for now? I dont think there is a big move coming (Which is fine). But i coudl see a couple more Ed Davis type moves. Thing is the roster is basically maxed out so we can really only take picks depending on what we would send back i guess.

Ainge reportedly has shocked Walker all offseason trying to land an even bigger fish

In comment 15054507 Italianju said:

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ability for a trade open a bit longer. Might not mean they have something lined up. Why do we think BOS is trading Kemba now? Honest question, i cant remember. Was it to get assets for a harden trade? I konw there was some discussion of money savings, but what would they need that money for now? I dont think there is a big move coming (Which is fine). But i coudl see a couple more Ed Davis type moves. Thing is the roster is basically maxed out so we can really only take picks depending on what we would send back i guess.

Knicks have until before the season starts to get rid of some guys but cant go over 20 guys..

They are 20 million under the cap, 10 under the floor so by seaaons end they need to spend 10 million..

Just seems like something more is coming

although that depends on the move i guess, ha.

There seems to be a phantom 2023 2nd round pick owed to the Knicks from Utah from Ed Davis trade

Utah has their own 2023 2nd, but where does the extra come from?

They had an extra '23 2nd from NOP (via GSW) from 2019 Favors trade, but sent it to CLE in Exum deal

They turned 27 and 38 into 25 and 33 and then traded it for a second rounder in a better draft.

They avoided giving out the monstrous deals that the rest of the teams gave out this weekend and are now one of the few teams with cap space left.

The roster is not a lot better today than it was but these guys are making smart marginal moves. Hopefully they hit on Toppin and Quickley.

in terms of players added:

Noel: B-
Burks: B (sneaky good addition)
Payton: C+
Rivers: C-

All the contracts are one year and cheap.

That being said, at this point I am disappointed that we still don't have shooters to help spacing and ya know, score. And we still have by far, the worst point guard situation...so in terms of development of the only 3 players that matter (RJB, Obi and Mitch) we have done nothing to help them.

In comment 15054518 DanMetroMan said:

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There seems to be a phantom 2023 2nd round pick owed to the Knicks from Utah from Ed Davis trade Utah has their own 2023 2nd, but where does the extra come from? They had an extra '23 2nd from NOP (via GSW) from 2019 Favors trade, but sent it to CLE in Exum deal

I never saw that both picks were from 2023. All I saw is the Knicks obtained two 2nd round picks.

do not trade for Westbrook or Wall.

In comment 15054536 Heisenberg said:

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They turned 27 and 38 into 25 and 33 and then traded it for a second rounder in a better draft. They avoided giving out the monstrous deals that the rest of the teams gave out this weekend and are now one of the few teams with cap space left. The roster is not a lot better today than it was but these guys are making smart marginal moves. Hopefully they hit on Toppin and Quickley.

We have no idea if 2023 will be a better draft. People keep calling it the double draft but that is false. Nothing has changed. There is only speculation. It needs to be negotiated and both sides are at a stalemate.

In comment 15054541 NYG22 said:

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in terms of players added: Noel: B- Burks: B (sneaky good addition) Payton: C+ Rivers: C- All the contracts are one year and cheap. That being said, at this point I am disappointed that we still don't have shooters to help spacing and ya know, score. And we still have by far, the worst point guard situation...so in terms of development of the only 3 players that matter (RJB, Obi and Mitch) we have done nothing to help them.

Not sure what you mean about shooters. It seems like most of the players brought in can shoot.

the NOP situation...with 4 viable PGs (Lonzo, Bledsoe, Alexander-Walker, Lewis) seems to me a trade target.

draft year will be ehh (maybe top heavy, maybe deep, but overall ehh) But NEXT YEARS DRAFT oh my god its so good. Rinse repeat, ha.

Whether they are planning for the double draft or not, i guess its assets. I mean its not like the are going to make 7 picks that year, lol, so those picks will be moved anyway.

openly let the Knicks know he wasn't interested in joining a bad team which is why they didn't chase him.

I think he was 39% from 3 last season. Really improved. Burks is a shooter as well.

Not the established sniper SG that you might be talking about but that guy wasn't really available.

In comment 15054551 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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I think he was 39% from 3 last season. Really improved. Burks is a shooter as well. Not the established sniper SG that you might be talking about but that guy wasn't really available.

As can Quickley and the kid we got from Seton Hall.

and the rookies to. Rivers has improved his shooting, but he was in HOU where 90% of his 3's were prolly wide open. That wont be happening here.

The PG situation is shitty. I would like them just to run out Frank/Quickley and hope. Rivers is fine, but he makes sense on a contender, payton is a vet PG who does a few things ok but nothing well and cant shoot.

In comment 15054553 robbieballs2003 said:

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In comment 15054551 Ten Ton Hammer said: Quote: I think he was 39% from 3 last season. Really improved. Burks is a shooter as well. Not the established sniper SG that you might be talking about but that guy wasn't really available. As can Quickley and the kid we got from Seton Hall.

Powell's poor 3 point shooting as a senior is why he went undrafted. 30.6%. Had he shot at his previous # he pretty easily goes as high as high 2nd round (though 6'2 scorers are a dime a dozen)

disappointed they add so many "trash" PG's because I would like to see Harper get an extended look, not a Frank guy but there are too many bodies. I hope/suspect a trade is going to happen (maybe even DSJ who they hyped up). With FVV back in Toronto I'd still call them and offer a future 1 for Flynn.

thinks "half" the roster is traded at the deadline and was part of the thought process.

like Giles to Portland at that price and Hartenstein to Denver at that price. The Nuggets are somewhat quietly one of the best organizations in the NBA.

now this group seems a bit more useful. Burks, Noel and Rivers seem like guys contenders could use, but who knows.

and i def dont get brining in Payton and Rivers. I mean you drafted a PG plus have Frank and DSJ. If there isnt a trade brewing then how many guards do you need.

In comment 15054573 Italianju said:

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now this group seems a bit more useful. Burks, Noel and Rivers seem like guys contenders could use, but who knows.

Seems pretty clear this is a more active FO with a plan. There pretty clearly are too many bodies for X minutes when Barrett is going to get his 30ish minutes per night at the 2 (or more likely 3).... Frank, Rivers, DSJ, Knox, Burks, Bullock, Quickley and that's even before potentially Iggy or Harper getting some burn.

I've seen this movie already, I know what he is. I don't think he should be taking minutes from anyone else aside from providing some scoring off the bench.

In comment 15054587 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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I've seen this movie already, I know what he is. I don't think he should be taking minutes from anyone else aside from providing some scoring off the bench.

No. But they talked him up all off-season and supposedly Thibs legit likes him and thinks he can be developed. He's not good but I'm also not sure he's significantly worse than Rivers/Payton and he was already here.

wins and all that. But i wouldnt be floored if guys like Frank, Knox, Quickley, etc.. dont get minutes cause they havent "earned" them. We as fans want to see young guys cause we want to see if they can improve and they need minutes to improve. But im not sure coaches always see it the same way. RJ is going to play, but i could see Knox, quickley, iggy, etc not getting any minutes and Toppin getting backup minutes for randle. Frank will play cause of his D. DSJ sux, could care less if he is on the team, def dont need him getting minutes.

Knicks made that exact mistake last season. If a bad team has anything to offer it's extensive minutes for young players and players who are talented but haven't developed. Randle playing heavy minutes over Obi, or someone like Bullock getting heavy minutes over Quickley is flat out dumb. Hopefully, Thibs sticks to his word and they will use the G-League in a more fruitful way.

and its exactly what they did last year. Its why im fearful its going to happen again. Like we want there to be a trade so we know that our youth is playing, but if Thibs rolls out:

Payton
Burks
RJ
Randle
Mitch

toppin (15 minutes), Frank (20 minutes), rivers(15 minute), Noel (15 minutes), and then maybe Knox, bullock, spellman, whoever thibs is liking fills out the last rotation spot?

and then he got a severe concussion against Rutgers and his 3pt shooting struggled after that.

His sophomore and junior years he was a solid 3pt shooter and his FT % is consistentlyhigh.

I believe in the shot. I believe in the toughness, scoring and competitiveness.

Not sure he'll be an effective defender at the NBA level. But if he's passable, he's got a shot to be offense off the bench and have a good career.

my point was that the kids would barely get minutes (toppin, frank) or none at all possibly (Knox, Quickley, Iggy, etc..)

That Thibs will revert to his old habits and play vets full-time. He's going to want to win as many games as possible and it's hard for an old leopard to change his spots.

That and how he believes he wants to develop these guys. I think Toppin's offensive game is extremely suited to today's NBA. He does not take midrange jumpers. He's an at the rim scorer and elbow 3 shooter. I hope they don't put him in an old school box and play him in the post and have him take 2-pointers.