NFT: Knicks Trade

that thibs and the FO have been on the same page. It just made no sense that he came here thinking we were going to build this good team in one offseason with a crappy FA class. Its just that its going to be a pretty big change for him to take his lumps playing kids, but again if him and the FO are on the same page then Rose has told him the expectations of playing the kids. I just dont want to see Randle, Payton, Rivers, etc.. eat up all the minutes.

In comment 15054607 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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That Thibs will revert to his old habits and play vets full-time. He's going to want to win as many games as possible and it's hard for an old leopard to change his spots. That and how he believes he wants to develop these guys. I think Toppin's offensive game is extremely suited to today's NBA. He does not take midrange jumpers. He's an at the rim scorer and elbow 3 shooter. I hope they don't put him in an old school box and play him in the post and have him take 2-pointers.

Didnt Thibs play young guys a lot in Chicago?

Rose, Gibson, Noah, Butler, Deng all young and developed by Thibs

one good thing about this offseason is their 1 year rentals have manageable contracts. They were never going to be able to flip a Bobby Portis making 18 mil at the deadline. The reason they got the first for Morris was because of his way below market value contract signed. With Burke, Peyton, Rivers and Noel all making around 5 mil or less if any have a good year they can likely be spun for picks. Last years crop was too much of bloated contracts that teams needed to do gymnastics just to match salaries for a deadline deal.

seems to have a plan. I believe they had a number in mind for guys like Hayward and prolly many others and didnt want to go over that. Rose prolly knows that descent players dont want to go to shitty teams unless you grossly overpay them. They prolly told him that for years. And instead of overpaying them (which is stupid) he figured he better improve the team. This offseason has been exactly what knick fans have wanted. Dont overspend on avg guys, use the capspace to get assets, sign guys to reasonable deals. I mean burks, rivers, and Noel are solid nba players we got for peanuts.

He never used his bench and ran guys into the ground leading to injuries. He said he has learned from that.

In comment 15054643 robbieballs2003 said:

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He never used his bench and ran guys into the ground leading to injuries. He said he has learned from that.

even that is overblown, he played his stars 35 minutes a night, show me a star who plays less than that..

The thing he didnt do was give people load management days, which he will have to do if Knicks ever get a star..

was the point of signing Payton when he now has a NTC?

is they still have non-shooters among all the primary ball-handling players (Payton, DSJ, Rivers, RJB)

Is as good as the come with quickness if he drives to the hoop. Shot? Might be the worst PG in the league. D? Let’s see if he want it. I think his ears have been pinned back a little and knows that his time is short if he doesn’t prove it.

Unfortunately, a complete package at PG or SG is extraordinary valuable.

scenario where Giannis considers NY? If not, the free agency class for 2021 is looking like another letdown as far as any stars landing here.

In comment 15054666 ryanmkeane said:

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scenario where Giannis considers NY? If not, the free agency class for 2021 is looking like another letdown as far as any stars landing here.

None. If he leaves the Bucks he’s going to go ring chasing not looking to join RJ Barrett and Obi Toppin as his best teammates

In comment 15054652 Carl in CT said:

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Is as good as the come with quickness if he drives to the hoop. Shot? Might be the worst PG in the league. D? Let’s see if he want it. I think his ears have been pinned back a little and knows that his time is short if he doesn’t prove it.

With Payton back DSJ isn't even the worst shooting PG on his team lol

In comment 15054674 DanMetroMan said:

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In comment 15054666 ryanmkeane said: Quote: scenario where Giannis considers NY? If not, the free agency class for 2021 is looking like another letdown as far as any stars landing here. None. If he leaves the Bucks he’s going to go ring chasing not looking to join RJ Barrett and Obi Toppin as his best teammates

Well, the only way it could happen is if Rose can also swing a deal for the running mate of Giannis' choice. That's the way all this shit works these days.

such a scenario he's more likely to try and force himself to the Nets than the Knicks.

the Knicks own the rights to Lessort, Tomic, Sanon, Louis Labeyrie am I forgetting anyone? None are likely NBA players.

In comment 15054690 DanMetroMan said:

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such a scenario he's more likely to try and force himself to the Nets than the Knicks.

Well, maybe? But that hasn't worked so far for Harden.

In comment 15054705 Heisenberg said:

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In comment 15054690 DanMetroMan said: Quote: such a scenario he's more likely to try and force himself to the Nets than the Knicks. Well, maybe? But that hasn't worked so far for Harden.

Giannis would have leverage. Harden is team controlled for 3 more seasons. Massive difference.

In comment 15054704 DanMetroMan said:

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the Knicks own the rights to Lessort, Tomic, Sanon, Louis Labeyrie am I forgetting anyone? None are likely NBA players.

I assume there is some hidden "value" to acquiring these? Anyone know anything, I'm clueless here

In comment 15054704 DanMetroMan said:

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the Knicks own the rights to Lessort, Tomic, Sanon, Louis Labeyrie am I forgetting anyone? None are likely NBA players.

Jaramaz?

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In comment 15054704 DanMetroMan said: Quote: the Knicks own the rights to Lessort, Tomic, Sanon, Louis Labeyrie am I forgetting anyone? None are likely NBA players. Jaramaz?

I knew I was forgetting one. Thanks.

In comment 15054712 DanMetroMan said:

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In comment 15054705 Heisenberg said: Quote: In comment 15054690 DanMetroMan said: Quote: such a scenario he's more likely to try and force himself to the Nets than the Knicks. Well, maybe? But that hasn't worked so far for Harden. Giannis would have leverage. Harden is team controlled for 3 more seasons. Massive difference.

If Giannis leaves the Bucks, he is only interested in 3 teams: Heat, Mavs or Raptors. He is not interested in GSW any longer. I know this from somebody who is the exec assistant one of the Bucks owners. They are scared sh*tless that he is going to walk.

my point is, there is a realistic scenario he's a Knick. He'll link up with a better team.

In comment 15054728 DanMetroMan said:

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my point is, there is a realistic scenario he's a Knick. He'll link up with a better team.

Dan - I was supporting your statement. The Knicks have NO shot at Giannis. He has no interest in New York or this team, from what I understand.

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In comment 15054728 DanMetroMan said: Quote: my point is, there is a realistic scenario he's a Knick. He'll link up with a better team. Dan - I was supporting your statement. The Knicks have NO shot at Giannis. He has no interest in New York or this team, from what I understand.

Makes sense to me. We need to hope Barrett/Obi/Mitch develop to the point they are 3rd/4th best players on good teams, they either land Cade next year, or sign a "Hayward-type" that continues to move the needle and eventually a star (hopefully) bites the bullet and comes here.

him on the cheap. Suns are having themselves an off-season

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Comea here. Lets find our own Giannis, our ow Kawhi or Mitchell. It can be done

The Knicks are at best a bottom 4 team next season. The only teams that I can think of that will be as bad as them are: Cleveland, Detroit, Bulls and OKC. The West is loaded, so maybe Dallas falls off.

Let's just hope they are not #4 and drop to #6.

A very good draft ahead with Cade Cunningham, Jalen Green, Evan Mobley (C), Jonathan Kuminga, Zaire Williams. Of course, there will be others. Cade could be the point guard we are looking for.

I like everything I've seen/heard about Ignas Brazdeikis, but there seems to be ZERO buzz about him coming from the team. Like none.

In comment 15054748 DanMetroMan said:

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I like everything I've seen/heard about Ignas Brazdeikis, but there seems to be ZERO buzz about him coming from the team. Like none.

Probably because he's awful and has no business on an NBA roster

is through trade. Basically like the AD situation. Like if MIL wasnt as good as they are (like NO) and they are really worried that Giannis was walking they could trade him now. Now we dont have the assets now, but whoever the next big star who comes into that situation, maybe we do have the assets. Then you have to convince them to stay long term of course.

And by star i meant established, obviously the real best chance is to draft one. Still crazy that as bad as we have been the last 20 years the best players we drafted are what Gallo and KP? One a good nba player, one could be a star but who knows if he will take that step (and be healthy to).

says they are high on Spellman and believe with their conditioning program he could be a solid get. I tend to agree.

I liked him then. What's he done in the NBA?

In comment 15054786 Greg from LI said:

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I liked him then. What's he done in the NBA?

Shot 39% from 3 for the Warriors with 5 boards over 49 games with the Warriors

In comment 15054786 Greg from LI said:

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I liked him then. What's he done in the NBA?

Split time between G-League and main rosters, mainly.

Plays 49 games for the Warriors, averaged 8 PPG and shot a solid percentage from 3. Seems to have conditioning issues.

the Knicks are smart, they give Obi run at the 5 when Mitch is on the bench.

In comment 15054792 DanMetroMan said:

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the Knicks are smart, they give Obi run at the 5 when Mitch is on the bench.

I'm sure this will happen, but a 6'9 220 player who can't defend is a recipe for disaster as a center.

In comment 15054793 Jon in NYC said:

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In comment 15054792 DanMetroMan said: Quote: the Knicks are smart, they give Obi run at the 5 when Mitch is on the bench. I'm sure this will happen, but a 6'9 220 player who can't defend is a recipe for disaster as a center.

There are more talented big 3/4's than scoring 5's. When Obi is at the 5 the biggest concern will be ring protection but there were reportedly "multiple" lottery teams that had him as 5 straight 5 on their board.

In comment 15054789 DanMetroMan said:

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Shot 39% from 3 for the Warriors with 5 boards over 49 games with the Warriors

Nice. I know one of the questions about him was whether he could shoot NBA 3s.

In comment 15054796 DanMetroMan said:

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In comment 15054793 Jon in NYC said: Quote: In comment 15054792 DanMetroMan said: Quote: the Knicks are smart, they give Obi run at the 5 when Mitch is on the bench. I'm sure this will happen, but a 6'9 220 player who can't defend is a recipe for disaster as a center. There are more talented big 3/4's than scoring 5's. When Obi is at the 5 the biggest concern will be ring protection but there were reportedly "multiple" lottery teams that had him as 5 straight 5 on their board.

Where's Elijah Wood when you need him.

is a 0% chance...what is our best possible outcome for this team the next 2-3 years? I think it probably looks something like this, in order of importance:

1. Barrett develops into an all star
2. Toppin develops into an all star caliber player
3. Thibs gets everyone rolling on defense
4. Team hits on a top 10-15 lottery pick in 2021
5. Knox develops into *something*
6. Randle gets traded for a late 1st
7. Quickley develops into a quality PG

If all of those things happen, the team is still at best, a 5 seed

id have him guarding the 5 a lot of times. Mitch has shown ability to guard in space when he has to. I mean i dont want him guarding the guards, but letting him guard the better offensive player between the 4/5 makes sense. Of course i dont know how much they will play together due to stupid randle.

because, quite honestly I think we can forget about them.

Toppin has signed, per Steve Popper

but if Barrett and Toppin are all stars and they hit on the 21 pick then they will be in great shape. Two young all stars, lots of picks and capspace. Then you start being able to interest stars to come here to play with your young all stars. Or you use 1 of them with picks in a trade to get a star as well as sign one. The problem is we havent really drafted too many all stars lately.

In comment 15054801 ryanmkeane said:

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is a 0% chance...what is our best possible outcome for this team the next 2-3 years? I think it probably looks something like this, in order of importance: 1. Barrett develops into an all star 2. Toppin develops into an all star caliber player 3. Thibs gets everyone rolling on defense 4. Team hits on a top 10-15 lottery pick in 2021 5. Knox develops into *something* 6. Randle gets traded for a late 1st 7. Quickley develops into a quality PG If all of those things happen, the team is still at best, a 5 seed

If all of those things happened, the Knicks would have no problem recruiting a superstar via FA or trading for one. Of course, best possible outcome if we're playing that game is winning the lottery next year as well, drafting Cade Cunningham who becomes a top 5 player in the NBA.

am very high on Barrett. There's a ton of room for improvement and he had some great moments last year.

exactly...the fact that ALL of those have to happen for the Knicks to become relevant is just sad. But that's where we are.

I liked the Thibs hire a lot.

always hard to tell who will/won't fit well with Thibs though.

If those guys blossom, good players will want to play with them. That buy-in is what they need - right now, no one good is willing to go to the Knicks because there's no supporting cast. They have got to develop someone to be attractive to any FA worth a damn.