NFT: Knicks Trade

He wrote about the double draft as if it is a definite when it is not. Then he said after the trade of Ed Davis that we would be releasing both players we acquired even though the Knicks seem high on Spellman or whatever his name is. He was off on something else too recently.

Rivers/payton
Burkes/quickley
RJ/Bullock
Toppin/randle
Mitch/Noel

Starting unit ball in RJs hands let him create, he is surrounded by 3 guys who can shoot the 3 and a rim runner..

Bench unit has a scorer in Randle, a distributor in Payton, 2 shooters and a rim runner and protector..

Team should get out and run, a lot of pieces that like the open floor

In comment 15055152 Pete44 said:

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In comment 15055151 bceagle05 said: Quote: “Outmaneuvered by Michael Jordan for Gordon Hayward.” LOL. Kay should not be allowed to talk about anything but baseball. Hayward at 4 years and that money was something Isiah Thomas would have done.

I’m the last guy to exhibit any sticker shock but I still can’t believe how how much Hayward got. And the length of the deal. It’s like Charlotte didn’t even keep tabs on this guy’s career the last few years.

Is they're pretty tight with the leaks. So I doubt any of these reporters really have a clue what they're up to. Basically until draft day nobody had a real beat on who they were really interested until Toppin started becoming a possibility. So all this talk about interest or no interest in trades for certain players is pure speculation IMHO.

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Another guy who seems like Frank...

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In comment 15055300 nygiants16 said:

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Rivers/payton Burkes/quickley RJ/Bullock Toppin/randle Mitch/Noel

That looks pretty good based on who we have. I wonder what happens with Frank, though, under that scenario. Still seems like a trade is needed, if possible.

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pretty quickly, no pun intended.

Knox is screwed, too. All these guard acquisitions point to RJ at small forward, where he belongs. Toppin is obviously a PF, so Knox is already fighting for scraps.

I like this. Let the kids play. If we have any cream it will rise. The rest of them that can’t make it then see ya next year. I’m all for this but I’m relying on Leon to open up huge money and build that super team next year. ( yes I can dream).

No Burn, it makes no sense. They need 18 a night at min.

Frank has earned a shot. It’s a tank year. We need to be realistic.

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No Burn, it makes no sense. They need 18 a night at min. Frank has earned a shot. It’s a tank year. We need to be realistic.

Knox got the coach that made him a lottery pick it's time for him to step and get minutes.
We need to find out this year if he a can a player.

so if Frank and/or Knox are in, it's a rotation of > 10.

What's Thibs' track record on rotations? Does he ever go above 10?

He stinks. He was a massive bust.

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No Burn, it makes no sense. They need 18 a night at min. Frank has earned a shot. It’s a tank year. We need to be realistic.

Frank and knox have not earned anything, if you think Thibs is just goingntonlose on purpose like Fizdale did i got a bridge to sell you..

Thibs is not going to gice frank and knkx minutes just because they were lottery picks a few years ago..

Until frank can knockdowm the 3 he should not play..

the more i see a Chauncey Billups type of Point guard, I would love if Thibs went with him at point but i dont know if he goes 4 youbg guys in the starting lineup

His ceiling is a 3 and D combo guard. And right now he doesn't have the 3. You see flashes of the offense here and there but if he doesn't make a leap this year, I think he never will. I would rather watch him than Payton but that's a low bar. You can't really say he's earned more minutes with his play. Maybe he will this year.

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His ceiling is a 3 and D combo guard. And right now he doesn't have the 3. You see flashes of the offense here and there but if he doesn't make a leap this year, I think he never will. I would rather watch him than Payton but that's a low bar. You can't really say he's earned more minutes with his play. Maybe he will this year.

This. He can take the ball up at times but he’s not a PG

fixing his shot would be a huge help to this team
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This was a good read.

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the more i see a Chauncey Billups type of Point guard, I would love if Thibs went with him at point but i dont know if he goes 4 youbg guys in the starting lineup

He says he's a PG. It will be interesting if somehow UK was holding him back in this regard with how they played him.

I am just not a believer in his intangibles. Just too low in terms motor, IQ, skills, awareness to effectively use the athletic gifts. I think this may be his last shot to stick in the league.

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Frank has earned a shot.

Just by being on the roster? I don't buy it.

If I told you a basketball player has been receiving professional (not high school, not college. Professional, paid-for leagues) coaching and training since the age of 15, you would expect that by age 22 he would be more than just a defender with an occasional ability to make a shot.


The guy is what he is, IMO. The argument that 'he's young' only makes sense if he hasn't seen a lot of coaching. He has though.

Charlotte is still discussing sign and trade details to clear cap for Hayward..

Some talk of Batum and assets for Randle

In comment 15055517 nygiants16 said:

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Charlotte is still discussing sign and trade details to clear cap for Hayward.. Some talk of Batum and assets for Randle

Sign me TF up.

In comment 15055517 nygiants16 said:

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Charlotte is still discussing sign and trade details to clear cap for Hayward.. Some talk of Batum and assets for Randle

It makes sense from their perspective. Randle is the more valuable player and rather than having cap hits of $9M for each of the next 3 years, they have Randle's salary this year and then $4M next year (the guaranteed portion of his contract). Just not sure how much $14M in cap savings over two seasons is worth in assets?

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In comment 15055517 nygiants16 said: Quote: Charlotte is still discussing sign and trade details to clear cap for Hayward.. Some talk of Batum and assets for Randle It makes sense from their perspective. Randle is the more valuable player and rather than having cap hits of $9M for each of the next 3 years, they have Randle's salary this year and then $4M next year (the guaranteed portion of his contract). Just not sure how much $14M in cap savings over two seasons is worth in assets?

Apparently the Knicks really wanted Vernon Carey. Wonder if the Hornets would give him up.

at least Randle would be off the roster.

Does seem like a solid fit. CHA has all their firsts, they also have some interesting young players like Bridges who maybe we can pry away. They were also the team who took Carey who we know the knicks liked. We could send them Randle and absorb the rest of his salary.

This could have some legs as long as Batum isnt officially stretched.

Malik Monk was involved as well. Perry's apparently liked him for a while and he's a Kentucky guy.

isnt even the shooter he was supposed to be.

Id have some interest in J. McDaniels as well. I mean honestly Batum, Carey, McDaneils for Randle seems like a no brainer for CHA. They dont have a lot of bigs so Randle is actually useful for them. But more importantly instead of paying Batum 9 mill a year for years they can just get one year of Randle (plus the guarantee).

Randle, Frank, Iggy for Batum, Monk, Carey, 2023 1st

Who says no?

but its basically Frank for a 2023 first and Carey. Sure id do it if the 2023 first doesnt have like top 20 protections. Wouldnt have to be unprotected but id want only like a top 5 protection.

with the "official" moves we have made could we still absorb Batum outright? I know there was some talk about exceptions being used and all that but i cant do the cap math. Just thinking if we could get more from CHA to just take that 27 id rather do that (even though i want randle off this team).

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with the "official" moves we have made could we still absorb Batum outright? I know there was some talk about exceptions being used and all that but i cant do the cap math. Just thinking if we could get more from CHA to just take that 27 id rather do that (even though i want randle off this team).

Not at this point. Even if you delay the timing so Payton goes into the room exception, they'd still have about 17 mil to spend, so we'd be 10 short.

he's going to be on the floor in the fourth quarter of tight games.

Knox doesn't do anything well.

should be praying for a Randle trade. Otherwise I'm not sure how he's going to see the floor.

C: Mitch (30)/Noel (18)

PF: Obi (26)/Randle (22)

SF: RJ (34)/Bullock and Knox fight for 14

SG: Up for grabs with Rivers, Ntilikina, Burks...3 very different players and none are good

PG: Payton (28)/Quickley (20)

Out of rotation:
DSJ
Spellman
Iggy
Harper
Pinson

C: Mitch (30)/Noel (18)

PF: Obi (26)/Randle (22)

SF: RJ (34)/Bullock and Knox fight for 14

SG: Up for grabs with Rivers, Ntilikina, Burks...3 very different players and none are good

PG: Payton (28)/Quickley (20)

Out of rotation:
DSJ
Spellman
Iggy
Harper
Pinson

read on the 2021 draft. Cunningham is going to be an absolute stud, but the talent in the top 5 is so much better than this year.

Also all of the guys in the top 5 should fit really well with the current roster.

It's a good year to be bad.
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In comment 15055653 Jon in NYC said:

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read on the 2021 draft. Cunningham is going to be an absolute stud, but the talent in the top 5 is so much better than this year. Also all of the guys in the top 5 should fit really well with the current roster. It's a good year to be bad. Link - ( New Window )

Wonder what the Knicks do with the 6th pick of the 2021 draft.

In comment 15055665 djm said:

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In comment 15055653 Jon in NYC said: Quote: read on the 2021 draft. Cunningham is going to be an absolute stud, but the talent in the top 5 is so much better than this year. Also all of the guys in the top 5 should fit really well with the current roster. It's a good year to be bad. Link - ( New Window ) Wonder what the Knicks do with the 6th pick of the 2021 draft.

Lol.

It really is tough to see many teams that will be worse than the Knicks. Maybe the Pistons, maybe the Cavs, maybe the Bulls...anyone else?

Hopefully it finally pays off for us. I will say the new lotto obviously flattens the odds but it matters how bad we are for the floor of our pick. If we have the 3rd worst record vs. 6th worst, it would change our expected pick from 4/5 to 7/8, which could matter a lot in this draft.

But yeah, I'd expect a bottom five team. A top five draft pick is a different story.

They were wise to bring in Rubio as a vet presence, but the KAT/D-Lo/Edwards trio seems like a ticking time bomb.

young guys take a big step forward, I think we're going to be the worst team in the league. Some of these other bad teams have established vet NBA starters. We basically have Randle.

Knox,RJ,Frank would need to make a big jump.
Robinson need to stay out of foul trouble to stay on the floor for 30 minutes.
Toppin game needs to translate to the NBA.
Even if all these thing break right we might not win 30 games.
Also Thibs is famous for a shallow rotation and riding his starting 5.

If he wants to win we could see the vets they signed getting big minutes.

have preferred they waited and picked up someone like Bowman vs. adding BOTH Payton/Rivers. Bowman struggled from 3 as a rookie, but career 39% at BC. Big-time athlete.

He never shot that high a percentage even there. Granted, he played for a weak team and likely felt compelled to force shots at times.

I still don't know how Jim Christian keeps his job. The 2017 team had two NBA players in Bowman and Robinson and still went only 19-16 and got bounced in the first round of the NIT.