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If they improve great but at this point i dont expect anything..

The 3 most important pieces are Rj, Toppin and Mitch..Quickley is important but we dont know what kidn of minutes he is going to get yet..

Rj i expect 18 6 and 3, He improves his free throw shooting he should get to 18 easily..

Toppin can be 18 and 7 this year, he should be thr starter even with randle on this team..

Mitch 10 and 10 with 3 blocks and i want him at 30 minutes a night..

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Rajon Rondo about new Knicks assistant Darren Erman in 2014 (he told some reporter named @ByJayKing):

“I call him Baby Thibodeau. Thibs is the best at it, to me, defensively. He’s the best defensive coach I’ve ever played for. (Erman is) pretty much a miniature Thibodeau.”

In comment 15055791 Greg from LI said:

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He never shot that high a percentage even there. Granted, he played for a weak team and likely felt compelled to force shots at times. I still don't know how Jim Christian keeps his job. The 2017 team had two NBA players in Bowman and Robinson and still went only 19-16 and got bounced in the first round of the NIT.

Greg,
Honestly, I was just using him as an example of a guy I would have preferred over 2 extremely mediocre veterans to go with DSJ/Frank. I think one would have been enough and rotate guys like Bowman onto the roster until you hit on one.

There's no reason why a bad team should be leaning on established mediocrities. If Pat Riley could do it, when he dug up Starks and Mason out of the CBA to be primary bench guys, there's no reason the Knicks can't do it now when they're much worse than the team Riley inherited.

which is surprising, there waa talk they would wait to keep cap flexibility

In comment 15055885 nygiants16 said:

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which is surprising, there waa talk they would wait to keep cap flexibility

I think there is a growing belief that Giannis is staying put. He is Greece now but supposed to return and sign soon.

and Davis signs a 5 year extension so i dont have to hear all the bs rumors all season?

Rumors of Dallas having a chance at him cemented that for me.

In comment 15055906 nygiants16 said:

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and Davis signs a 5 year extension so i dont have to hear all the bs rumors all season?

That will help start the rumors that the Knicks are saving cap space for 2022.......

That's been the one and only consistent thing we've heard reported since Rose took over, yet the clowns like Kay, Stephen A., Kellerman, etc., push the free agency narrative. At this point, all Knicks fans know free agency is a dead end.

makes me think Giannis is happening soon. They have the same agent and if the heat are giving up 2021 space my guess is they were told that Giannis isnt leaving.

If Zion stays healthy that's a fun team.

I just want Randle traded and Payton as a backup instead of starting. If i have to watch these 2 start another 72 games impeding the development of the young guys by taking playing time away from them, causing spacing issues on the court, freezing out RJ on the court im going to go crazy.

Give me a staring lineup of Rivers , Burks, RJ, Obi, Mitch and if Frank shows improvement then let him start as well. Just let the youth play and learn from their mistakes. They arent learning by sitting on the bench or by playing with extremely selfish players who also cause spacing issues

been doing a deep dive into Obi film (admittedly nowhere near a scout) but one takeaway is for as explosive as he is as a leaper, he's extremely stiff. Maybe yoga or something of that nature can help him but I think his defensive "growth" is going to be limited to whatever they can cook up to limit his flaws.

in for 20 years is by following the Nets model when Marks took over as GM and they had limited assets to work with. The hoping for a Fa to come and save them has not nor will ever work.

He gave young guys who failed on their previous teams a chance (Dinwiddie, Harris )and through their player development they turned into very good role players. He drafted well (Levert, Allen )and he made good trades taking salary dumps for capspace and trading for DLO .

There are no shortcuts. You need to be patient and acquire as many assets as possible , draft well, and then most importantly and this is where the Knicks fail over and over again is set the youth up on your team with the chance for success.

You play your youth, you take chances on young guys from other teams who might need a change of scenery but you also pair them with unselfish vets who are going to help their growth and not hurt it . The knicks do the opposite of this every year and then wonder why they end up in the same shitty situation every year. They sign mediocre vets who are looking for their next paycheck, who play selfish basketball, who are not content to take a backseat to the youth, and who dont compliment them on the court .

This is what Perry does. He has been doing it for 15 years since he was assistant GM for the Magic, then the Kings, and now GM with the Knicks. He has not had 1 winning season as an executive in 15 years . He brings in vets and buries the youth behind them and he doesn't care how they fit on the court. He doesn't know how to construct a roster as we saw last year with 6 PF. He should have been fired along with Mills

In comment 15055985 DanMetroMan said:

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been doing a deep dive into Obi film (admittedly nowhere near a scout) but one takeaway is for as explosive as he is as a leaper, he's extremely stiff. Maybe yoga or something of that nature can help him but I think his defensive "growth" is going to be limited to whatever they can cook up to limit his flaws.

When i watch him all i see is a young stoudemire..

Defensively hopefully Thibs can get him to just be average

For any kind of real defensive work.

I think he's just going to be a natural scorer who is a threat at all levels.

Amare was much more explosive an athlete but it took him years to perfect a reliable shot. Obi already has one.

In comment 15056008 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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For any kind of real defensive work. I think he's just going to be a natural scorer who is a threat at all levels. Amare was much more explosive an athlete but it took him years to perfect a reliable shot. Obi already has one.

More explosive an athlete? I'm not sure about that. Toppin is pretty wildly athletic. Amare was a freak but it's close.

In comment 15055885 nygiants16 said:

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which is surprising, there waa talk they would wait to keep cap flexibility

I think Giannis signes the supermax. But they can always create the space if they need it. They did it for Butler last year.

And Bam deserves the extension and it goes a long way to reward the guy.

extension the Pelicans are at the luxury tax line.

I'd 100% call them about Lonzo. It's tough to see him re-signing there with Kira and Bledsoe now in the mix. I'd do Lonzo for Knox and a 2nd.

Scott Perry is the reason the Knicks have been a laughing stock for 20 years. Scott Perry is the reason no decent NBA player let alone a star layer will go anywhere near the Knicks. Scott Perry is the reason the Knicks keep doing the same stupid things over and over and expecting different results even though every aspect of the organization has turned over at least 3 times in the past 6 years.

Guess what Knick "fans" any of you stockholm syndromed poor souls who continue to support the Knicks thinking well one of these days it will turn around, Dolan wants to win, he'll spend the money, he's not really a heinous poisonous narcissistic sociopath egomaniac with an inferiority complex. Actually you're wrong he is and the Knicks will never be a good team as long as he's alive. If you don't think that's how it will work guess what we're 20 years into a 40 year Donald Sterling like run. There is no end. It will will never end. Over under for this year 22 1/2.

That damn Scott Perry if only he was gone.
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You nailed it with Obi. He is a taller RJ Barrett when it comes to athleticism. He can jump really high, but his lateral movement is awful. Same with RJ. Unless they are jumping up and down they look like old men and very un athletic. I think Obi will end up being a great 6th man one day, but I’m annoyed with the pick overall for reasons that no one else will agree with me on. I wanted Halliburton first and Lewis second.

I am still very bullish on Kevin Knox at the PF position. I think last year was a complete loss of confidence and mental. I really wanted Knox given the shot at PF for 25-30 mins a night. He has all the talent in the world and he is 21 years old and much more athletic than Obi and RJ.

Also all the Frank haters on here, Frank is going to make continued strides this year. He will play some point and play some off guard. Unfortunately his peak will not be in a Knicks uniform, but all contending teams will be fighting for him in free agency next year or at the trade deadline. Golden State has been interested for years. He will be above 36 percent from 3 this year and play solid defense woth a high IQ in the court.

Deonte Burton is a really, really, really poor offensive player. So poor it's hard to see his defense ever getting him much time on the court

In comment 15056036 GMEN46 said:

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You nailed it with Obi. He is a taller RJ Barrett when it comes to athleticism. He can jump really high, but his lateral movement is awful. Same with RJ. Unless they are jumping up and down they look like old men and very un athletic. I think Obi will end up being a great 6th man one day, but I’m annoyed with the pick overall for reasons that no one else will agree with me on. I wanted Halliburton first and Lewis second. I am still very bullish on Kevin Knox at the PF position. I think last year was a complete loss of confidence and mental. I really wanted Knox given the shot at PF for 25-30 mins a night. He has all the talent in the world and he is 21 years old and much more athletic than Obi and RJ.

With all do respect, this doesn't make any sense at all. Knox isn't near the athlete Obi is (nor is RJ). Obi is vertically explosive, whereas Knox has no quick twitch athleticism at all. Obi's explosion allows him to finish in traffic, whereas Knox has to settle for weak floaters and off-balance jumpers because he lacks an verticality at all.

There's just no burst or quick first step with Knox. Sure, he might move a little better laterally than Obi who has tight hip which makes it hard for him to change direction quickly on defense. But to say Knox is a better athlete is just nowhere close to reality unless you have a very different definition of athleticism.

to clarify something, I didn't want them to take Obi but my comment wasn't some latent hating on him. I've been watching some extended clips/video and I his vertical explosion is evident, he has a very smooth almost Marion like outside shot, solid handle for a big, impressive passing, but the rigid hips and side to side are very evident.

In comment 15055957 bceagle05 said:

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If Zion stays healthy that's a fun team.

My brother told me that Zion is the longest tenured Pelican. If true, UFB.

At 22 years old.

In comment 15055442 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 15055365 RAIN said: Quote: No Burn, it makes no sense. They need 18 a night at min. Frank has earned a shot. It’s a tank year. We need to be realistic. Frank and knox have not earned anything, if you think Thibs is just goingntonlose on purpose like Fizdale did i got a bridge to sell you.. Thibs is not going to gice frank and knkx minutes just because they were lottery picks a few years ago.. Until frank can knockdowm the 3 he should not play..

Right, because Alec Burks is the man with the upside that needs to play. He's the guy to get us to the playoffs. Ditto Payton and Rivers. If you expect Rivers and Payton to develop into something they are not currently, then you are selling yourself the aforementioned bridge.

The goal is not to win this year, its too develop the talent. Our core is flimsy. Barrett is not a sure thing to be a #1 or #2 threat on a championship team, you need other pieces. Those guys, whom we have invested a lot in terms of draft capital, need to be given a shot to develop fully.

Knox and Frank need to play. If they aren't practicing well and not buying in, then no they don't deserve burn. This hasn't been the case. Is it smart to give up on Frank at 22 and Knox at 21? I'd argue no. The only way I would agree is if they aren't working and aren't buying in. The new staff needs to evaluate them on the floor and give the new development staff a shot. The old regimes were short on development resources from what I have heard.

A lot of NYC talk, very funny and engaging. Talked about admiring LBJ and KD, but they “tie their sneakers the same way I do.” Some other cliche answers but he’s very polished with the media.

received the Wolves 2026 2nd rounder in the Ed Davis trade. You didn't read that wrong lol

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In comment 15056116 RAIN said:

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In comment 15055442 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 15055365 RAIN said: Quote: No Burn, it makes no sense. They need 18 a night at min. Frank has earned a shot. It’s a tank year. We need to be realistic. Frank and knox have not earned anything, if you think Thibs is just goingntonlose on purpose like Fizdale did i got a bridge to sell you.. Thibs is not going to gice frank and knkx minutes just because they were lottery picks a few years ago.. Until frank can knockdowm the 3 he should not play.. Right, because Alec Burks is the man with the upside that needs to play. He's the guy to get us to the playoffs. Ditto Payton and Rivers. If you expect Rivers and Payton to develop into something they are not currently, then you are selling yourself the aforementioned bridge. The goal is not to win this year, its too develop the talent. Our core is flimsy. Barrett is not a sure thing to be a #1 or #2 threat on a championship team, you need other pieces. Those guys, whom we have invested a lot in terms of draft capital, need to be given a shot to develop fully. Knox and Frank need to play. If they aren't practicing well and not buying in, then no they don't deserve burn. This hasn't been the case. Is it smart to give up on Frank at 22 and Knox at 21? I'd argue no. The only way I would agree is if they aren't working and aren't buying in. The new staff needs to evaluate them on the floor and give the new development staff a shot. The old regimes were short on development resources from what I have heard.

Thibs is not just going to coach to lose, If you expect him to play only young guys i got a bridge to sell you..

This is not going to be Fizdale type tabnking, thibs is coaching to win

In comment 15056148 DanMetroMan said:

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Knicks School Alerts @KnicksAlerts After missing on some of their top targets, Leon Rose “made a big push” for Jerami Grant, who signed with Detroit, per @NYPost_Berman

The 5 bigs lineup with Robinson, Toppin, Grant, Noel, and Barrett?

I call it the Runaway Knox.I prefer it happens on the side of the court where Dolan sits,with a lot of players guarding the basket.

Ya never know

NYK FUTURE DRAFT PICKS
(through 2023)

5 first round picks
1) Own 2021 + (swap LAC)
2) DAL 2021
3) Own 2022
4) Own 2023
5) DAL 2023 (Top 10 protected)

Up to 8 second round picks
1) CHA 2021
2) DET 2021
3) Own 2022
4) Own 2023
5) DET 2023
6) UTA 2023
7) Unknown UTA
8) MIN 2026

In comment 15056146 DanMetroMan said:

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received the Wolves 2026 2nd rounder in the Ed Davis trade. You didn't read that wrong lol

Jesus Christ. Will we still be around by then? :D

In comment 15056150 nygiants16 said:

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thibs is coaching to win

I don't think he understands what he's up against

It out there. What unexpected Knick is going to step up and earn his stripes this year. Everyone only gets 1 name.

I’m going with everyone’s favorite and longest tenured Knick

Frankie!!!!!!

In comment 15056155 DanMetroMan said:

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NYK FUTURE DRAFT PICKS (through 2023) 5 first round picks 1) Own 2021 + (swap LAC) 2) DAL 2021 3) Own 2022 4) Own 2023 5) DAL 2023 (Top 10 protected) Up to 8 second round picks 1) CHA 2021 2) DET 2021 3) Own 2022 4) Own 2023 5) DET 2023 6) UTA 2023 7) Unknown UTA 8) MIN 2026

The Knicks having a 1st round swap with the Clippers is almost as funny as when George asked Susan for a Pre-nup in Seinfeld

Did I miss Greg's reaction to the Austin Rivers signing?

In comment 15056180 Pete44 said:

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In comment 15056155 DanMetroMan said: Quote: NYK FUTURE DRAFT PICKS (through 2023) 5 first round picks 1) Own 2021 + (swap LAC) 2) DAL 2021 3) Own 2022 4) Own 2023 5) DAL 2023 (Top 10 protected) Up to 8 second round picks 1) CHA 2021 2) DET 2021 3) Own 2022 4) Own 2023 5) DET 2023 6) UTA 2023 7) Unknown UTA 8) MIN 2026 The Knicks having a 1st round swap with the Clippers is almost as funny as when George asked Susan for a Pre-nup in Seinfeld

You never know. Most people would’ve thought a 2020 pick swap with golden state would be worthless. Consider it a lottery ticket.

Stein reporting Knicks were ultimately willing to go 4 years for Hayward but not at the level of Cha. I’m not sure how I’d feel if they got him for something like 4/100.

In comment 15056150 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 15056116 RAIN said: Quote: In comment 15055442 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 15055365 RAIN said: Quote: No Burn, it makes no sense. They need 18 a night at min. Frank has earned a shot. It’s a tank year. We need to be realistic. Frank and knox have not earned anything, if you think Thibs is just goingntonlose on purpose like Fizdale did i got a bridge to sell you.. Thibs is not going to gice frank and knkx minutes just because they were lottery picks a few years ago.. Until frank can knockdowm the 3 he should not play.. Right, because Alec Burks is the man with the upside that needs to play. He's the guy to get us to the playoffs. Ditto Payton and Rivers. If you expect Rivers and Payton to develop into something they are not currently, then you are selling yourself the aforementioned bridge. The goal is not to win this year, its too develop the talent. Our core is flimsy. Barrett is not a sure thing to be a #1 or #2 threat on a championship team, you need other pieces. Those guys, whom we have invested a lot in terms of draft capital, need to be given a shot to develop fully. Knox and Frank need to play. If they aren't practicing well and not buying in, then no they don't deserve burn. This hasn't been the case. Is it smart to give up on Frank at 22 and Knox at 21? I'd argue no. The only way I would agree is if they aren't working and aren't buying in. The new staff needs to evaluate them on the floor and give the new development staff a shot. The old regimes were short on development resources from what I have heard. Thibs is not just going to coach to lose, If you expect him to play only young guys i got a bridge to sell you.. This is not going to be Fizdale type tabnking, thibs is coaching to win

Yea I think the Knicks win more this season than people expect. Thibs is going to go Pat Riley circa 91 training camp on these guys and it’s going to lead to a better team. Knicks better be ready for to run and run and run and run some more in practice. And then even running. They will play defense and they won’t lose due to conditioning or lack of effort. They will be bad, but they will play hard. 28-32 wins.

In comment 15056170 Carl in CT said:

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It out there. What unexpected Knick is going to step up and earn his stripes this year. Everyone only gets 1 name. I’m going with everyone’s favorite and longest tenured Knick Frankie!!!!!!

Randle. He’s going to have a huge year here under thibs.

Release 8-9 and go shopping next year.

Give me RJ.

Offer sheet:
Kings have until Midnight to match and supposedly they are trying to match/ shopping Hield to make it work. Would it make any sense for NYK to trade Randle for Hield?

in a Knicks uni. That's all I ask for in 2021 NBA wise.

I’d want more then just dumping randle.

In comment 15056184 31southst said:

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Stein reporting Knicks were ultimately willing to go 4 years for Hayward but not at the level of Cha. I’m not sure how I’d feel if they got him for something like 4/100.

I would have liked Hayward, but not at that price.