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NGT: Why did Philly draft Jalen Hurts?

Jim in Forest Hills : 11/23/2020 9:01 am
Was it to hedge against Wentz getting hurt? Was it for gadget plays running the ball?

I watched Philly/CLE yesterday and I saw his sporadic use. Honestly it didn't help them at all.

Plus do they think he's really a replacement? Can he pass like Wentz was capable of before he became a hot mess?

He was a late 2nd rounder, so its not like they burned huge capitol, but I want my 2nd rounder doing more than a few snaps per game.

Also, Philly still sucks balls.
I think you’re correct.  
Big Blue '56 : 11/23/2020 9:03 am : link
Guard against injury
I think they are looking to use him  
Mike from Ohio : 11/23/2020 9:04 am : link
like the Saints use Taysom Hill. The only problem is that so far Hurts hasn't shown that he can do that effectively.
People look into this too much  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/23/2020 9:06 am : link
Wentz makes a fuckton of money and oft injured. Backup QBs make a lot of money. They saw an opportunity to draft a guy that they could also use sporadically.
RE: I think you’re correct.  
Jim in Forest Hills : 11/23/2020 9:07 am : link
In comment 15054608 Big Blue '56 said:
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Guard against injury


I think that makes sense, but what's weird to me is I dont think they play nearly the same game. Would they run the same offense?
I know..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/23/2020 9:11 am : link
some people love the way Pederson coaches, but he's had a bad year this season. He's gone for two a number of times where kicking an XP was the wisest choice, but his use of Hurts is puzzling. When he's been in the game, it is almost exclusively to run the ball. He has 2 pass attempts this season.

Might as well just put Sanders back there to take the direct snap.
because every spring  
Giantsfan79 : 11/23/2020 9:12 am : link
a professional football coach/or front office decision-maker develops a man crush on a QB prospect. birds and bees shit. and come draft draft day their urges overtake the logic of their pick.

but we are the team that wasted premium picks on Kyle Lauletta & Davis Webb in recent years.
RE: I know..  
Jolly Blue Giant : 11/23/2020 9:15 am : link
In comment 15054626 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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some people love the way Pederson coaches, but he's had a bad year this season. He's gone for two a number of times where kicking an XP was the wisest choice, but his use of Hurts is puzzling. When he's been in the game, it is almost exclusively to run the ball. He has 2 pass attempts this season.

Might as well just put Sanders back there to take the direct snap.


Exactly. I don’t get it. Also, he is not nearly as dynamic or versatile as Hill for The Saints.
Do you think Hurts can run that offense like Wentz can..  
Jim in Forest Hills : 11/23/2020 9:17 am : link
to me that's a no. Hurts cannot pass like Wentz but is a better runner. Hurts can throw the ball, but Wentz was pretty special in that regard before he lost his mind.

It was a late 2nd, from that perspective, helps make it make more sense, but man they could use a LB/CB/OG from that round.
RE: I think they are looking to use him  
Essex : 11/23/2020 9:17 am : link
In comment 15054611 Mike from Ohio said:
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like the Saints use Taysom Hill. The only problem is that so far Hurts hasn't shown that he can do that effectively.


Jaylon Hurts has been awful this year. I think going into yesterday he had been on for 30 snaps with a combined 80 yards total gained for the team on his snapped plays. To put that in perspective, Daniel Jones ran just as long in one play at Phily. He has been a disaster so far, but that is not to say he can't be a good qb if they are going in that direction. How they are using him now, is not working at all.
RE: I know..  
Essex : 11/23/2020 9:21 am : link
In comment 15054626 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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some people love the way Pederson coaches, but he's had a bad year this season. He's gone for two a number of times where kicking an XP was the wisest choice, but his use of Hurts is puzzling. When he's been in the game, it is almost exclusively to run the ball. He has 2 pass attempts this season.

Might as well just put Sanders back there to take the direct snap.


I am not as much in love with Pederson's analytics (like the two point stuff and going for it), but I did think he had a great rhythm as a play caller. This year, though, his play calling has been criticized and rightly so--he has found no such rhythm. Now whether that is because Wentz is stinking up the joint or his play calling has fallen off, it is noticeable. I also feel like Pederson does well to adjust to the flow of the game which we had seen, especially in the four matchups against Shurmur's NYG. In three of those four games, Philly just pulled away from us in the second half.
I also think..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/23/2020 9:24 am : link
a lot of what we are seeing with Philly is the deterioration of their OL.

It really highlights how difficult it is to be effective in this league with a poor OL - something we can relate to!
RE: I also think..  
Essex : 11/23/2020 9:28 am : link
In comment 15054645 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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a lot of what we are seeing with Philly is the deterioration of their OL.

It really highlights how difficult it is to be effective in this league with a poor OL - something we can relate to!


Of course, any time your OL can dominate, you will be more efficient. That brings up another thing with Pederson. He has always been in that Warren Sharp School of passing being more efficient, but in the end you have to play to wherever you are more efficient. This year the Eagles are much. more efficient in running the ball and it seems (absent yesterday) that he doesn't run all that much. Pederson has definitely not had a good season so far.
And what I mean obviously is more efficient  
Essex : 11/23/2020 9:29 am : link
makes you seem more in a rhythm as a play caller.
I watched the Philly post game after the CLE loss  
Jim in Forest Hills : 11/23/2020 9:33 am : link
and they are putting it squarely on Pederson. They don't understand why he doesn't run the ball more. They think he's crazy to not run Sanders all day, have to say I agree with them.
RE: I also think..  
Jay on the Island : 11/23/2020 9:33 am : link
In comment 15054645 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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a lot of what we are seeing with Philly is the deterioration of their OL.

It really highlights how difficult it is to be effective in this league with a poor OL - something we can relate to!

Great point. It's a combination of injuries and aging/declining players. Peters and Kelce are likely in their final season and it wouldn't surprise me if Brooks retires this offseason as well. They have a lot of holes on that roster.
RE: RE: I also think..  
Essex : 11/23/2020 9:35 am : link
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a lot of what we are seeing with Philly is the deterioration of their OL.

It really highlights how difficult it is to be effective in this league with a poor OL - something we can relate to!


Great point. It's a combination of injuries and aging/declining players. Peters and Kelce are likely in their final season and it wouldn't surprise me if Brooks retires this offseason as well. They have a lot of holes on that roster.

Peters was abused yesterday.
PHI's OL has been trash  
giants#1 : 11/23/2020 9:41 am : link
They won because they had a top OL, which was very underrated. Peters-Kelce-Johnson trio was every bit as good as the Dallas trio, but didn't get the accolades.

I liked the pick  
UConn4523 : 11/23/2020 9:43 am : link
not really sure what Pederson is doing (and I'm good with that) but I think him being there is to hedge against injury and possibly take the job one day.

They can't keep going with Wentz long term. I'd trade him.
I've been saying this for a few weeks  
Jay on the Island : 11/23/2020 9:46 am : link
It's better for the defense when the Eagles bring in Hurts because these plays never work. They are designed to catch the defense off guard but all it does is signal to the defense that its going to be a running play by Hurts.
RE: PHI's OL has been trash  
90.Cal : 11/23/2020 9:47 am : link
In comment 15054661 giants#1 said:
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They won because they had a top OL, which was very underrated. Peters-Kelce-Johnson trio was every bit as good as the Dallas trio, but didn't get the accolades.


Yeah those 3 from Philly haven't gotten the accolades... they only combined for 10 all pro teams and 15 pro bowls
Whether they are in first place or not, the Eagles  
LBH15 : 11/23/2020 9:47 am : link
have to be considering benching Wentz. He really hasn't been any good this year outside of a few quarters of games.

Holding the ball so long in the end zone and taking the sack for a Cleveland safety yesterday was a bit shocking. Basically a play a rookie QB in his first game would do.

They may not bench him, but it has to be on their minds.

RE: I liked the pick  
NoPeanutz : 11/23/2020 10:04 am : link
In comment 15054667 UConn4523 said:
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not really sure what Pederson is doing (and I'm good with that) but I think him being there is to hedge against injury and possibly take the job one day.

They can't keep going with Wentz long term. I'd trade him.

Doesn't his salary make him "untradeable?" He's making top QB money... and the cap might shrink next year...
Wentz did not play well yesterday and he’s been hit or miss all year,  
Spider56 : 11/23/2020 10:09 am : link
but their OL made Olivier Vernon look like an all pro ... He was dominant on both sides but mainly against Peters.
RE: I've been saying this for a few weeks  
giants#1 : 11/23/2020 10:10 am : link
In comment 15054668 Jay on the Island said:
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It's better for the defense when the Eagles bring in Hurts because these plays never work. They are designed to catch the defense off guard but all it does is signal to the defense that its going to be a running play by Hurts.


It's worse than that because they typically keep Wentz on the field (at least in the games I saw) which means they're playing 10v11 with the D knowing it's a run.
RE: RE: I liked the pick  
Jay on the Island : 11/23/2020 10:10 am : link
In comment 15054683 NoPeanutz said:
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not really sure what Pederson is doing (and I'm good with that) but I think him being there is to hedge against injury and possibly take the job one day.

They can't keep going with Wentz long term. I'd trade him.


Doesn't his salary make him "untradeable?" He's making top QB money... and the cap might shrink next year...

They can't trade him or cut him this offseason. His new contract begins next year. If they did move him they would absorb a $59 million dollar cap hit. The Eagles are already projected to be over $70 million over next years cap so there is no way they can get rid of Wentz this offseason.
RE: Wentz did not play well yesterday and he’s been hit or miss all year,  
Jim in Forest Hills : 11/23/2020 10:11 am : link
In comment 15054689 Spider56 said:
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but their OL made Olivier Vernon look like an all pro ... He was dominant on both sides but mainly against Peters.


Hey Vernon really paid off for the Giants after all..
RE: RE: PHI's OL has been trash  
giants#1 : 11/23/2020 10:11 am : link
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They won because they had a top OL, which was very underrated. Peters-Kelce-Johnson trio was every bit as good as the Dallas trio, but didn't get the accolades.




Yeah those 3 from Philly haven't gotten the accolades... they only combined for 10 all pro teams and 15 pro bowls


Eh, relative to the hype of the Dallas trio and the Dallas OL in general? The PHI OL was arguably the best in the NFL for several years, including their SB season, yet the Dallas OL was often portrayed as being significantly better.
RE: RE: I liked the pick  
giants#1 : 11/23/2020 10:14 am : link
In comment 15054683 NoPeanutz said:
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not really sure what Pederson is doing (and I'm good with that) but I think him being there is to hedge against injury and possibly take the job one day.

They can't keep going with Wentz long term. I'd trade him.


Doesn't his salary make him "untradeable?" He's making top QB money... and the cap might shrink next year...


No because the Eagles would be on the hook for the SB and some other prorated money. His base salaries and future roster/workout bonuses would be payable by the acquiring team and those wouldn't be crippling, especially if they can "fix" him and get him playing at a top level again.
RE: I've been saying this for a few weeks  
JB_in_DC : 11/23/2020 10:14 am : link
In comment 15054668 Jay on the Island said:
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It's better for the defense when the Eagles bring in Hurts because these plays never work. They are designed to catch the defense off guard but all it does is signal to the defense that its going to be a running play by Hurts.


And some of these failed plays have been huge momentum killers for them. I feel like I've seen them get stuffed on the Hurts plays only to follow them up with a turnover or failed conversion on 3rd and long on multiple occasions this season. Would drive me crazy if I was an Eagles fan.
RE: RE: RE: PHI's OL has been trash  
GoDeep13 : 11/23/2020 10:20 am : link
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They won because they had a top OL, which was very underrated. Peters-Kelce-Johnson trio was every bit as good as the Dallas trio, but didn't get the accolades.




Yeah those 3 from Philly haven't gotten the accolades... they only combined for 10 all pro teams and 15 pro bowls



Eh, relative to the hype of the Dallas trio and the Dallas OL in general? The PHI OL was arguably the best in the NFL for several years, including their SB season, yet the Dallas OL was often portrayed as being significantly better.
Maybe it’s finally the Giants turn to have the dominant Oline again.
Halfway into his first season your asking this!?  
BillT : 11/23/2020 10:20 am : link
No matter his eventual role this year wasn’t going to be some stunning revelation. He’s a rookie backup QB. And watching Wentz perform his Jekyll and Hyde act on the football field it’s obvious they could be thinking about a future without him. I don’t know what the future holds for Hurtz but this year wasn’t going to tell us.
Pederson  
McNally's_Nuts : 11/23/2020 10:35 am : link
thinks his shit doesn't stink and believes hes the smartest man in the room because he beat Belicheck in a superbowl with a back up QB.

He'll be fired in 2 season.

On that Brian Billick career trajectory.
Whatever their...  
Chris in Philly : 11/23/2020 10:42 am : link
reasons, and I think it's mainly because they think they are smarter than everyone, it's in Wentz's head. Dude is the softest big guy I have ever seen.
Hopefully  
GeoMan999 : 11/23/2020 10:48 am : link
He doesnt turn into Lamar Jackson.
RE: Hopefully  
JB_in_DC : 11/23/2020 10:51 am : link
In comment 15054749 GeoMan999 said:
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He doesnt turn into Lamar Jackson.


Not nearly the athlete and runner Lamar is.
RE: I watched the Philly post game after the CLE loss  
sb from NYT Forum : 11/23/2020 11:03 am : link
In comment 15054655 Jim in Forest Hills said:
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and they are putting it squarely on Pederson. They don't understand why he doesn't run the ball more. They think he's crazy to not run Sanders all day, have to say I agree with them.


In the first half Sanders had 5.7 yards per carry. 11 rushes for 63 yards.

They handed him the ball 5 mores times in the game. So weird, especially considering the weather.
Philly over-drafted Hurts...  
bw in dc : 11/23/2020 11:05 am : link
He should have been a 5th rounder or later.

His speed isn't scaring anyone at the pro level and his arm is mediocre. Throw in average decision making, which existed at Alabama, and you have the absolute definition of a project...at best.
I believe it is because whenever Hurts jogs in.....the whole world  
GiantBlue : 11/23/2020 11:11 am : link
knows he is touching the ball in some way, shape or form.

Every play I have seen Hurts participate in this year has been a loss or no gain.....and as pointed out above...a momentum crusher.

You rise with your QB and you fall with your QB. Right now Pederson is falling fast!
On Wentz...  
bw in dc : 11/23/2020 11:22 am : link
it’s the perfect storm...the wrong way.

He’s clearly pressing and trying to do way too much. Case in point, was the pick six yesterday in Cleveland. Just a horrible decision because Wentz just wouldn’t take the sack. He was desperate to make a play. That’s been a pattern for most of this year.

Meanwhile, as mentioned above, the OL is struggling and the skill position players have been crushed by injuries the last two years. So they can’t find any rhythm or identity.

Let’s be honest here. Wentz willed that team to the playoffs last year. He made chicken salad out of a big bag of excrement. It was pretty amazing in hindsight...

But he just can’t sustain that without serious upgrades and health. Eventually you are going to run out of mayonnaise.
RE: I also think..  
Dr. D : 11/23/2020 11:38 am : link
In comment 15054645 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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a lot of what we are seeing with Philly is the deterioration of their OL.

It really highlights how difficult it is to be effective in this league with a poor OL - something we can relate to!

Hopefully it takes the eggles as long as it took us to rebuild their OL.

That would be around 2029-2030!
RE: PHI's OL has been trash  
Earl the goat : 11/23/2020 11:39 am : link
In comment 15054661 giants#1 said:
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They won because they had a top OL, which was very underrated. Peters-Kelce-Johnson trio was every bit as good as the Dallas trio, but didn't get the accolades.



You’re leaving out all pro Brandon Brooks
RE: I believe it is because whenever Hurts jogs in.....the whole world  
giants#1 : 11/23/2020 11:39 am : link
In comment 15054784 GiantBlue said:
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knows he is touching the ball in some way, shape or form.



Isn't that true with every QB? The problem is he doesn't threaten D's with his arm and they compound it by keeping Wentz in and essentially removing a receiving target. So even if the D doesn't play 9 in the box, the S is going to shade to the WR/TE.
Right now Wentz appears to be on a Bob 3 career path  
Greg from LI : 11/23/2020 11:41 am : link
He looks awful.
You'd think they'd run some passing plays for Hurts now and then  
Greg from LI : 11/23/2020 11:46 am : link
If only to break the pattern.
Missing the point  
GeoMan999 : 11/23/2020 11:46 am : link
Forget how Jalen Hurts does when he comes into the games as h3 has been. The question is how would he do if he was given the chance as a starter with the offense designed for his style of play?

He was projected to be a 2nd rounder. His style of running is very different as he is a tough dude to bring down.

Don’t be shocked if he turns out to be very good.
Eli lead the league in interceptions twice did he not?  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/23/2020 11:48 am : link
Certainly don't think it's over for Wentz. The problem with him is he can't be on a talent deficient offense. His decision making is way to poor for a 5th year QB and that isn't going to get better. To me the only way forward is invest heavily in the offense and hope you just outscore your opponents. He can make people pay in that situation, but what a fucking conundrum they have. 35 million oft injured QB whose resources all need to go to the offense. I mean you can win in today's NFL like that, but it certainly isn't optimal. Plus Pederson sucks.
RE: Missing the point  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/23/2020 11:49 am : link
In comment 15054835 GeoMan999 said:
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Forget how Jalen Hurts does when he comes into the games as h3 has been. The question is how would he do if he was given the chance as a starter with the offense designed for his style of play?

He was projected to be a 2nd rounder. His style of running is very different as he is a tough dude to bring down.

Don’t be shocked if he turns out to be very good.


No way Hurts becomes very good. He's a college QB. Shit Lamar is struggling right now because of some of his limitations and Hurts isn't nearly on his level as an athlete or even a passer. At least Lamar can make you pay down the middle of the field.
RE: Right now Wentz appears to be on a Bob 3 career path  
Jay on the Island : 11/23/2020 12:01 pm : link
In comment 15054826 Greg from LI said:
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He looks awful.

He really does look awful. People keep saying that his knee injury a few years ago ruined him but the knee injury doesn't explain why he makes terrible decisions. Also his accuracy is nowhere near what it was during their SB season.

I think a change of scenery is desperately needed but luckily for us they can't get rid of him for at least one more season.

I think Wentz can turn it around if he goes to a team with a QB guru in place such as KC(obviously not happening), Vegas, New Orleans, or Tampa Bay.
RE: I also think..  
clatterbuck : 11/23/2020 12:07 pm : link
In comment 15054645 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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a lot of what we are seeing with Philly is the deterioration of their OL.

It really highlights how difficult it is to be effective in this league with a poor OL - something we can relate to!


Agree. Vernon was killing Jason Peters yesterday. He and Kelce are likely gone, may not even last rest of the season. Wentz is taking a beating and it's affecting his play.
RE: I also think..  
GManinDC : 11/23/2020 12:29 pm : link
In comment 15054645 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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a lot of what we are seeing with Philly is the deterioration of their OL.

It really highlights how difficult it is to be effective in this league with a poor OL - something we can relate to!



Very good point. And it isn't just Wentz. It makes the entire offense looks bad. You would think he had no skill players on offense.
What other reason is there?  
Giant John : 11/23/2020 1:53 pm : link
Went tends to get hurt. They wanted a backup with some talent. Easy.
To get to the other side  
Sec 103 : 11/23/2020 2:02 pm : link
?
RE: because every spring  
FStubbs : 11/23/2020 2:10 pm : link
In comment 15054628 Giantsfan79 said:
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a professional football coach/or front office decision-maker develops a man crush on a QB prospect. birds and bees shit. and come draft draft day their urges overtake the logic of their pick.

but we are the team that wasted premium picks on Kyle Lauletta & Davis Webb in recent years.


Not quite the same thing. Not to defend Reese or Gettleman, but those picks were fliers on Eli replacements.
RE: Right now Wentz appears to be on a Bob 3 career path  
FStubbs : 11/23/2020 2:11 pm : link
In comment 15054826 Greg from LI said:
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He looks awful.


He has a ring (even if he didn't take them over the hump himself). His career has been vastly superior to RG3 - they don't belong in the same sentence.

Joe Flacco might be a better comparison.
Wentz is slipping  
DieHard : 11/23/2020 2:32 pm : link
But they put a lot on his shoulders -- mediocre receivers, deteriorating O-line, questionable playcalling. Add the untimely turnovers and it's a perfect storm. They barely overcame the same issues last year before he physically broke down in the playoff game -- we're just seeing the breakdown earlier this year.

To me, he just looks defeated out there. As a Giants fan, I'm delighted he's costing them $128 million.
RE: What other reason is there?  
Chris in Philly : 11/23/2020 2:38 pm : link
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Went tends to get hurt. They wanted a backup with some talent. Easy.


That's not a great reason to blow a 2nd round pick.
RE: Wentz is slipping  
giants#1 : 11/23/2020 2:46 pm : link
In comment 15055071 DieHard said:
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But they put a lot on his shoulders -- mediocre receivers, deteriorating O-line, questionable playcalling. Add the untimely turnovers and it's a perfect storm. They barely overcame the same issues last year before he physically broke down in the playoff game -- we're just seeing the breakdown earlier this year.

To me, he just looks defeated out there. As a Giants fan, I'm delighted he's costing them $128 million.


Their WRs are like our OL: lots of investment in the position group but terrible results:

Drafted since 2015
Reagor - 1st
Hightower - 5th
Watkins - 6th
Arcega-Whiteside - 2nd
Goedert (TE) - 2nd
Hollins - 4th
Gibson - 5th
Agholor - 1st

Free Agents
Jeffery
D Jackson
G Tate (traded, then let walk after 1/2 season)
Torrey Smith
I never shovel dirt on the Eagles  
Stu11 : 11/23/2020 2:48 pm : link
They always rise from the dead and win the division. I won't do it now, but they look bad. Really bad. Their Oline is in shambles, Wentz turns the ball over more than Jones does if that's humanly possible and their WRs look even more pedestrian than ours. That having been said I'll never count them out as long as they're breathing. With their remaining schedule I just don't see too many wins there. Frankly unlike us they are damn lucky to have the 3 wins and tie they have as they were down multiple scores in the 4th to both us and Cinci at home. Most of their losses they've been pretty soundly beaten.
RE: Wentz is slipping  
bw in dc : 11/23/2020 2:54 pm : link
In comment 15055071 DieHard said:
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But they put a lot on his shoulders -- mediocre receivers, deteriorating O-line, questionable playcalling. Add the untimely turnovers and it's a perfect storm. They barely overcame the same issues last year before he physically broke down in the playoff game -- we're just seeing the breakdown earlier this year.

To me, he just looks defeated out there. As a Giants fan, I'm delighted he's costing them $128 million.


I said similar earlier (above).

To me, Wentz is trying so hard to make it happen. But he just can't dial it back to the point where he's takes a loss (sack, incompletion) to live for another down. He is determined to find the winning play.

He's like the opposite of Alex Smith when he was "Check Down Alex". Smith would rarely try any plays down field and go with the old reliable check down...
RE: RE: Wentz is slipping  
DieHard : 11/23/2020 3:31 pm : link
In comment 15055097 bw in dc said:
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To me, Wentz is trying so hard to make it happen. But he just can't dial it back to the point where he's takes a loss (sack, incompletion) to live for another down. He is determined to find the winning play.


True. I've read that Peterson is trying to get him to play safer, but it seems it's just resulted in throwing his rhythm off even further. Ironically enough, his pick-6 yesterday resulted from actually holding back from taking a deeper shot and trying to check down.
On Daniel Jones...  
Chris in Philly : 11/23/2020 3:50 pm : link
it’s the perfect storm...the wrong way.

He’s clearly pressing and trying to do way too much. Case in point, was the pick a couple weeks ago against Tampa. Just a horrible decision because Wentz just wouldn’t take the sack. He was desperate to make a play. That’s been a pattern for most of this year.

Meanwhile, as mentioned above, the OL is struggling and the skill position players have been crushed by injuries the last two years. So they can’t find any rhythm or identity.
Wentz is an example of what happens  
Go Terps : 11/23/2020 3:52 pm : link
when you force the franchise QB label. Paying a guy like he's great doesn't make him great. Huge, huge cautionary tale.

I liked Hurts in the draft, but if Philly drafted him to be Taysem Hill they made a big mistake. If they drafted him to run an offense around a mobile QB, they were smart to draft him.

Job one is to look in the mirror and admit Wentz has to go.
RE: RE: What other reason is there?  
Big Blue '56 : 11/23/2020 4:19 pm : link
In comment 15055082 Chris in Philly said:
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Went tends to get hurt. They wanted a backup with some talent. Easy.



That's not a great reason to blow a 2nd round pick.


I obviously don’t know how good Hurts can be or whether he was a worthy second rounder or lower, but I can understand why they needed to protect themselves against the inevitable Wentz injury/season-ended. I just have no idea what QB they should have taken and where.
season-ender..  
Big Blue '56 : 11/23/2020 4:19 pm : link
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RE: Wentz is an example of what happens  
bw in dc : 11/23/2020 4:38 pm : link
In comment 15055132 Go Terps said:
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when you force the franchise QB label. Paying a guy like he's great doesn't make him great. Huge, huge cautionary tale.



Wentz was heading for the MVP in 2017. He was #1 in the league in QBR with 33TDs /7INTs /7.7 YPA through 13 games before the injury in LA. Definitely living up to his draft billing.

So there were reasons to be bullish.
Jalen Hurts is not a good football player right now  
widmerseyebrow : 11/23/2020 4:48 pm : link
They're not letting him throw the ball. What does that tell you about his abilities as a passer?

They'd be much better off not killing Wentz's rhythm and letting Hurts learn in a backup role. What they're doing now makes no sense.
maybe because  
Victor in CT : 11/23/2020 5:05 pm : link
his brother Dick works for the iggles?? :-)
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