NGT: Why did Philly draft Jalen Hurts?

Went tends to get hurt. They wanted a backup with some talent. Easy.

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In comment 15054628 Giantsfan79 said:

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a professional football coach/or front office decision-maker develops a man crush on a QB prospect. birds and bees shit. and come draft draft day their urges overtake the logic of their pick. but we are the team that wasted premium picks on Kyle Lauletta & Davis Webb in recent years.

Not quite the same thing. Not to defend Reese or Gettleman, but those picks were fliers on Eli replacements.

In comment 15054826 Greg from LI said:

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He looks awful.

He has a ring (even if he didn't take them over the hump himself). His career has been vastly superior to RG3 - they don't belong in the same sentence.

Joe Flacco might be a better comparison.

But they put a lot on his shoulders -- mediocre receivers, deteriorating O-line, questionable playcalling. Add the untimely turnovers and it's a perfect storm. They barely overcame the same issues last year before he physically broke down in the playoff game -- we're just seeing the breakdown earlier this year.

To me, he just looks defeated out there. As a Giants fan, I'm delighted he's costing them $128 million.

In comment 15055022 Giant John said:

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Went tends to get hurt. They wanted a backup with some talent. Easy.

That's not a great reason to blow a 2nd round pick.

In comment 15055071 DieHard said:

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But they put a lot on his shoulders -- mediocre receivers, deteriorating O-line, questionable playcalling. Add the untimely turnovers and it's a perfect storm. They barely overcame the same issues last year before he physically broke down in the playoff game -- we're just seeing the breakdown earlier this year. To me, he just looks defeated out there. As a Giants fan, I'm delighted he's costing them $128 million.

Their WRs are like our OL: lots of investment in the position group but terrible results:

Drafted since 2015
Reagor - 1st
Hightower - 5th
Watkins - 6th
Arcega-Whiteside - 2nd
Goedert (TE) - 2nd
Hollins - 4th
Gibson - 5th
Agholor - 1st

Free Agents
Jeffery
D Jackson
G Tate (traded, then let walk after 1/2 season)
Torrey Smith

They always rise from the dead and win the division. I won't do it now, but they look bad. Really bad. Their Oline is in shambles, Wentz turns the ball over more than Jones does if that's humanly possible and their WRs look even more pedestrian than ours. That having been said I'll never count them out as long as they're breathing. With their remaining schedule I just don't see too many wins there. Frankly unlike us they are damn lucky to have the 3 wins and tie they have as they were down multiple scores in the 4th to both us and Cinci at home. Most of their losses they've been pretty soundly beaten.

In comment 15055071 DieHard said:

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But they put a lot on his shoulders -- mediocre receivers, deteriorating O-line, questionable playcalling. Add the untimely turnovers and it's a perfect storm. They barely overcame the same issues last year before he physically broke down in the playoff game -- we're just seeing the breakdown earlier this year. To me, he just looks defeated out there. As a Giants fan, I'm delighted he's costing them $128 million.

I said similar earlier (above).

To me, Wentz is trying so hard to make it happen. But he just can't dial it back to the point where he's takes a loss (sack, incompletion) to live for another down. He is determined to find the winning play.

He's like the opposite of Alex Smith when he was "Check Down Alex". Smith would rarely try any plays down field and go with the old reliable check down...

In comment 15055097 bw in dc said:

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To me, Wentz is trying so hard to make it happen. But he just can't dial it back to the point where he's takes a loss (sack, incompletion) to live for another down. He is determined to find the winning play.

True. I've read that Peterson is trying to get him to play safer, but it seems it's just resulted in throwing his rhythm off even further. Ironically enough, his pick-6 yesterday resulted from actually holding back from taking a deeper shot and trying to check down.

it’s the perfect storm...the wrong way.

He’s clearly pressing and trying to do way too much. Case in point, was the pick a couple weeks ago against Tampa. Just a horrible decision because Wentz just wouldn’t take the sack. He was desperate to make a play. That’s been a pattern for most of this year.

Meanwhile, as mentioned above, the OL is struggling and the skill position players have been crushed by injuries the last two years. So they can’t find any rhythm or identity.

when you force the franchise QB label. Paying a guy like he's great doesn't make him great. Huge, huge cautionary tale.

I liked Hurts in the draft, but if Philly drafted him to be Taysem Hill they made a big mistake. If they drafted him to run an offense around a mobile QB, they were smart to draft him.

Job one is to look in the mirror and admit Wentz has to go.

In comment 15055082 Chris in Philly said:

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In comment 15055022 Giant John said: Quote: Went tends to get hurt. They wanted a backup with some talent. Easy. That's not a great reason to blow a 2nd round pick.

I obviously don’t know how good Hurts can be or whether he was a worthy second rounder or lower, but I can understand why they needed to protect themselves against the inevitable Wentz injury/season-ended. I just have no idea what QB they should have taken and where.

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In comment 15055132 Go Terps said:

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when you force the franchise QB label. Paying a guy like he's great doesn't make him great. Huge, huge cautionary tale.

Wentz was heading for the MVP in 2017. He was #1 in the league in QBR with 33TDs /7INTs /7.7 YPA through 13 games before the injury in LA. Definitely living up to his draft billing.

So there were reasons to be bullish.

They're not letting him throw the ball. What does that tell you about his abilities as a passer?

They'd be much better off not killing Wentz's rhythm and letting Hurts learn in a backup role. What they're doing now makes no sense.

his brother Dick works for the iggles?? :-)