He hopes the new GM could grow into a president of baseball operations role" yeah, makes sense that he's talking about a man in his 60's with 9 years of experience as GM. Right.
And beyond that, you’re proving your inherent bias in your inferences.
Oh please. You're being obtuse. They targeted exclusively young executives, he talked about "mentoring" and growing into the role. Ricciardi is a 61 year old who has been in MLB FO's for 33 seasons. He was never hired again after his performance in Toronto (he's oft-mentioned as one of the most hated sports related people by Toronto fans) he was a complete disaster and and would be going back in time. Not "moving forward" like the Mets are claiming. Then again, you were aghast when I said Brodie would be a disaster so...
Could be that they did not want Rojas looking over his shoulder about his job
Some are suggesting it's Covid related, but Sandy said he wanted to "help" Rojas. Guessing they actually bring in someone with managerial experience. Meulens had tons of experience and is extremely highly thought of but no known connection to Sandy so...
being fired in 2009 Ricciardi... served as a special assistant to Sandy where he remained in Boston and "offered insight", then served in the same role with the Giants. Really sounds like he's a great pick to be GM of the Mets. 9 seasons in Toronto... 85+ wins... 3 times.
and it always felt like a younger guy was what they were looking for. Alderson is the older guy already!
Not that 61 is old, but there is something to say about wanting a younger guy who can grow in the role and do it for 10-20 years. Sorry that doesnt usually mean you are looking for a guy in his 60's, thats why father time is undefeated.
give up. They clearly wanted and have targeted young candidates (exclusively) but I'm wrong in suggesting a 61 year old flies in the face of everything they said they were targeting. This isn't some "special case" where Brian Sabean is coming out of retirement. This is a guy who failed as a GM (12 years ago) and never was hired as a GM again. Sounds great.
"Joe Posnanski, in a Sports Illustrated article, questioned, “Here’s my thing about J.P. Ricciardi, the thing that really baffles the heck out of me: How can someone keep giving out contracts THIS BAD and keep his job and reputation? How? I’m serious. How?”"
Richard Griffin
"“Besides, the GM's track record at trading established players for prospects stinks. Really it does...Here's the clinching stat. Over eight years, just three of the 20 players he received in return are still in the organization—Scott Rolen, Jeremy Accardo, and Brian Wolfe.”"
Also, Joe Posnanski, in his aforementioned article, comically summarized Ricciardi’s failures in giving out contracts by using Vernon Wells’ contract as an example:
“This deal, to be honest, is not the sort of thing that leads to a general manager getting fired. It's the sort of thing that leads to entire villages getting pillaged. And that's what I mean about Ricciardi. Link - ( New Window )
It’s clear as day. We shouldn’t kid ourselves. He’s a full blown ageist. There have been countless examples of people in their early 60s growing. Look at Tom Coughlin for example.
take Brian Sabean (64) in a milisecond. He wouldn't come here to work under Sandy Alderson, but he's not a failed MLB GM with zero reason to be under consideration.
It’s clear as day. We shouldn’t kid ourselves. He’s a full blown ageist. There have been countless examples of people in their early 60s growing. Look at Tom Coughlin for example.
moronic. But then again you suggested they should have kept Brodie just this week so....
Coughlin became coach of the Giants after a league wide shift toward the value of analytics where the Giants openly were saying they wanted a long term candidate, interviewed such names, were turned down/blocked by some and then hired him? PS Tom Coughlin flamed out in Jacksonville but he went 45-19 over a 4 year span, JP Ricciardi was a total failure in Toronto. Really odd comparison.
Davis might be out too. That's not confirmed but the Mets have apparently spoken to other coaches known for hitting acumen. They intend on having 2 so it wouldn't guarantee Chili is out but Martino insisted they wanted to bring back Kevin Long until Long went back to Washington.
Can find hidden gems everywhere, and sometimes the 61 year old veteran exec might be better than the 42 ambitious guy (see Brodie). Everyone fails at something in life, it doesn’t mean they can’t pick themselves up and get better or learn from their mistakes. Sandy liked JP enough to keep him around for 9 seasons, so he must bring something to the table. But no, I don’t think your an ageist and I know where you’re coming from.
(not entirely unfair but I think the timing put the Mets in a bind. Teams unwilling to lose their executives this far into the off-season)
MLB executive Chris Young became the latest to offer a “thanks, but no thanks” to the Mets. A rising star in the Commissioners Office who had pitched for Alderson in two locales, Young told the Mets he was fascinated by the position, but did not want to uproot his young family from Dallas.
Thus, the search continues. The Mets will not run out of candidates. This really is viewed as an attractive opportunity. This is not the shot-gun wedding to Luis Rojas that was necessitated when the Mets parted late last offseason with Carlos Beltran amid revelations of Beltran’s involvement in the Astros illegal sign-stealing scandal.
Still, it is not an ideal first step. Alderson had planned to hire a president of baseball operations, then a GM. He promised oversight, but with the intention to empower the president of baseball operations to make the player decisions. Cohen, at his introductory press conference, vowed “to bring the professionals in and let them run baseball.” Link - ( New Window )
Many executives the Mets were interested in are just comfortable where they are. There were those not given permission to make lateral moves. Some other owners don’t want to help the new owner with the most money, with one executive saying, “You want one of my guys under contract, it is like a player, what is [Cohen] trading to us to get him.” A potential candidate said he was not interested because his research left concern that in his hedge fund, Cohen pushes the ethical boundaries too much, and would that permeate the Mets?
Hiring Alderson — viewed within the walls of the game as upright — was designed to lessen such worries about Cohen. But it also was designed to help the Mets navigate the habits and strictures of the game and accumulate a superstar front office. Dodgers East. Instead, Alderson asked John Ricco to return from the business side and might rehire J.P. Ricciardi. That trio made up a good deal of the decision making in Alderson’s first Mets tenure.
The promise, though, was not to put the band back together — it was to assemble a super group. There is still time to add quality and quantity. Clearly, though, this was not the way Cohen and Alderson saw this going.
Michael Mayer
@mikemayerMMO
Dick Scott - one of the Mets previous bench coaches - has been mentioned as someone that could return to the organization He makes sense in that Rojas won't be looking over his shoulder but I have to say, it's somewhat disconcerting to read Ricciardi as a GM candidate, Dick Scott, wanting to bring back Long (before he went back), Roessler...
Michael Mayer
@mikemayerMMO
Dick Scott - one of the Mets previous bench coaches - has been mentioned as someone that could return to the organization He makes sense in that Rojas won't be looking over his shoulder but I have to say, it's somewhat disconcerting to read Ricciardi as a GM candidate, Dick Scott, wanting to bring back Long (before he went back), Roessler...
Sorry the quoted is my addition, not the news Scott might be a possibility... below is me.
" He makes sense in that Rojas won't be looking over his shoulder but I have to say, it's somewhat disconcerting to read Ricciardi as a GM candidate, Dick Scott, wanting to bring back Long (before he went back), Roessler... "
would be a great get, but Alderson already said we're not going to be active in the trade market. That seems like a Rays get. I suppose a three way trade could be possible, not sure what pieces would go where. Pirates also have no contracts to unload.
Almora on a minor league deal would be "fine" but he never became the player some expected. Still, 95 wRC+ career vs. lefties, youth on his size. Might be a solid depth pickup. Almora +3 OAA in CF in 2019. Hit .286 in 2018 with Davis as his hitting coach (albeit an empty .286), .295 vs. lefties
Per
@jaysonst
Since FA began 1 FA SP had a 60 game stretch with a K-rate and BB rate as good as
@BauerOutage
in their walk years... his ex-UCLA teammate Gerrit Cole #Mets #SignBauer
Also per the great
@jaysonst
over the last 100 years, 1 single leadoff hitter has posted an OPS, Slugging % and OBP as good as
@GeorgeSpringer
, that would be... Mookie Betts #Mets #SignSpringer
@Ken_Rosenthal
suggests some teams might attach prospects to move big salaries (even on one year deals), playing in NYC caveat aside, Greinke at 1 year 21.7 million + a prospect? Yes please
That would be a fast way to replenish the farm system....
and it def makes sense. In normal years teams are often looking to unload overpaid guys. Now coming off the financial year these owners just had, im sure lots of teams are looking to unload big money players.
@Ken_Rosenthal
suggests some teams might attach prospects to move big salaries (even on one year deals), playing in NYC caveat aside, Greinke at 1 year 21.7 million + a prospect? Yes please
To me, that’s the ideal scenario, trade for Greinkes
But I THINK Greinke is at $35mm minus D Backs money (10mm??)
As soon as I heard sandy was back I figured gsellman was a goner
@Ken_Rosenthal
suggests some teams might attach prospects to move big salaries (even on one year deals), playing in NYC caveat aside, Greinke at 1 year 21.7 million + a prospect? Yes please
To me, that’s the ideal scenario, trade for Greinkes
But I THINK Greinke is at $35mm minus D Backs money (10mm??)
acquired by Houston in trade from Arizona 7/31/19 with Diamondbacks paying Astros $26M as part of the deal ($2M assignment bonus on 11/1/19, $3,333,334 on 10/15/19 and $10,333,333 each on 7/1/2020 and 7/1/2021
then fill in with FA wherever else they need to. Greinke would be a great addition. Cain too if they aren't holding a grudge. I'd consider Perez but prefer someone better defensively and more of a multi-year option.
Hopefully we start getting some news this week. Would think they want to choose a GM before the WM next week.
Britton said he didn’t expect any major Mets moves before 12/21. That’s just his opinion, not anything he’s heard but that’s what he said.
I haven't found Britton to be all that plugged in and the new regime has obviously been tight lipped so far so I think that's just a guess.
Cohen answered a direct question on twitter that they don't need the GM in place before they start making moves.
I don't know if anyone can predict when the market will start moving and Sandy is notoriously patient so I'm not predicting anything happens quickly - I don't think there's any indication either way really.
looking to argue with Cmicks again but I asked a writer if he had any new names for the GM spot and he recited the same "ties to Sandy names" we have all mentioned and when I asked about Ricciardi he said "that's the one name I've heard this entire process that received a negative response from other baseball people, Chris Young for all of his ?? had supporters. Ricciardi has a golden tongue, but yeesh"
- As I noted above, nothing against Dick Scott but how about less bringing the band back together?
- Make good with Fonzie, firing him was an embarrassment
- Apparently Omar begged Jeff to keep Stearns but Jeff wouldn't create the space in the budget to keep him.
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On the other hand, as @Ken_Rosenthal
points out in his notes column today, the market could stay slow for a number of different reasons, including potential of a delayed season and that the National League doesn't know if it will have a DH in 2021 yet.
spin rates, Peterson was below average. Is there something in the water or are the Royals especially adept at teaching their pitchers to increase their RPM? Their rookie crop all excelled
But my priorities would be to see what it takes to sign Kiki Hernandez and a trade for Senzel, who I’ve always crushed for. I’d be aggressive in Kiki right now, hoping he fears non tenders hurting him. If he’d sign two years at a fair price, he’d be the ultimate utility/bench/platoon/clubhouse guy.
Senzel would solve 3b for a while.
The above do make Rosario/Giminez/Mauricio and even McNeil (gulp) easier to handle if you HAD to make a move.
he is yet to play there in the big leagues and also yet to really hit. 500 PA's isn't nothing. Acquiring him right now would be a lot like the JDD trade from Houston, which was a good trade and the type of trade I'm all for - but it's an asset gamble, not filling a need.
I'd imagine if there is a fit between NYM + CIN it would only be if they have interest in a Rosario/JDD type in the first place and we were willing to make that type of flip to get a younger upside player. Perhaps another piece would come back to the Mets also to even up salary.
Again - would be fine with something like that. But Senzel would have to earn his spot.
Jon Heyman
@JonHeyman
Kris Bryant is a target of the Nats, but Nats are determined to keep young pitchers Rutledge and Cavalli. As I just said on @MLBNetwork despite speculation Bryant will indeed be tendered a contract by Cubs on tender/nontender day Wednesday. Other teams that fit KB: Mets, SF, Tor
9:39 AM · Nov 30, 2020
not particularly high on Sugano unless he's WITH a Bauer or Darvish. His HH% has gone up something like 4 years running and his pure stuff wasn't eyepopping to begin with. As a 4? I'm in. As the best P they add? Pass.
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Sources: The Mets are deep in talks with free-agent reliever Trevor May. The former Twin ranked seventh in MLB with 14.66 K/9 this season, to compliment a 3.86 ERA. May has a 3.19 mark since returning from Tommy John surgery in 2018.
Could be that they did not want Rojas looking over his shoulder about his job
Oh please. You're being obtuse. They targeted exclusively young executives, he talked about "mentoring" and growing into the role. Ricciardi is a 61 year old who has been in MLB FO's for 33 seasons. He was never hired again after his performance in Toronto (he's oft-mentioned as one of the most hated sports related people by Toronto fans) he was a complete disaster and and would be going back in time. Not "moving forward" like the Mets are claiming. Then again, you were aghast when I said Brodie would be a disaster so...
Quote:
Meulens Out. Surprising.
Could be that they did not want Rojas looking over his shoulder about his job
Some are suggesting it's Covid related, but Sandy said he wanted to "help" Rojas. Guessing they actually bring in someone with managerial experience. Meulens had tons of experience and is extremely highly thought of but no known connection to Sandy so...
Not that 61 is old, but there is something to say about wanting a younger guy who can grow in the role and do it for 10-20 years. Sorry that doesnt usually mean you are looking for a guy in his 60's, thats why father time is undefeated.
"Joe Posnanski, in a Sports Illustrated article, questioned, “Here’s my thing about J.P. Ricciardi, the thing that really baffles the heck out of me: How can someone keep giving out contracts THIS BAD and keep his job and reputation? How? I’m serious. How?”"
Richard Griffin
"“Besides, the GM's track record at trading established players for prospects stinks. Really it does...Here's the clinching stat. Over eight years, just three of the 20 players he received in return are still in the organization—Scott Rolen, Jeremy Accardo, and Brian Wolfe.”"
Also, Joe Posnanski, in his aforementioned article, comically summarized Ricciardi’s failures in giving out contracts by using Vernon Wells’ contract as an example:
“This deal, to be honest, is not the sort of thing that leads to a general manager getting fired. It's the sort of thing that leads to entire villages getting pillaged. And that's what I mean about Ricciardi.
Link - ( New Window )
moronic. But then again you suggested they should have kept Brodie just this week so....
MLB executive Chris Young became the latest to offer a “thanks, but no thanks” to the Mets. A rising star in the Commissioners Office who had pitched for Alderson in two locales, Young told the Mets he was fascinated by the position, but did not want to uproot his young family from Dallas.
Thus, the search continues. The Mets will not run out of candidates. This really is viewed as an attractive opportunity. This is not the shot-gun wedding to Luis Rojas that was necessitated when the Mets parted late last offseason with Carlos Beltran amid revelations of Beltran’s involvement in the Astros illegal sign-stealing scandal.
Still, it is not an ideal first step. Alderson had planned to hire a president of baseball operations, then a GM. He promised oversight, but with the intention to empower the president of baseball operations to make the player decisions. Cohen, at his introductory press conference, vowed “to bring the professionals in and let them run baseball.”
Link - ( New Window )
Many executives the Mets were interested in are just comfortable where they are. There were those not given permission to make lateral moves. Some other owners don’t want to help the new owner with the most money, with one executive saying, “You want one of my guys under contract, it is like a player, what is [Cohen] trading to us to get him.” A potential candidate said he was not interested because his research left concern that in his hedge fund, Cohen pushes the ethical boundaries too much, and would that permeate the Mets?
Hiring Alderson — viewed within the walls of the game as upright — was designed to lessen such worries about Cohen. But it also was designed to help the Mets navigate the habits and strictures of the game and accumulate a superstar front office. Dodgers East. Instead, Alderson asked John Ricco to return from the business side and might rehire J.P. Ricciardi. That trio made up a good deal of the decision making in Alderson’s first Mets tenure.
The promise, though, was not to put the band back together — it was to assemble a super group. There is still time to add quality and quantity. Clearly, though, this was not the way Cohen and Alderson saw this going.
@mikemayerMMO
Dick Scott - one of the Mets previous bench coaches - has been mentioned as someone that could return to the organization He makes sense in that Rojas won't be looking over his shoulder but I have to say, it's somewhat disconcerting to read Ricciardi as a GM candidate, Dick Scott, wanting to bring back Long (before he went back), Roessler...
@mikemayerMMO
Dick Scott - one of the Mets previous bench coaches - has been mentioned as someone that could return to the organization He makes sense in that Rojas won't be looking over his shoulder but I have to say, it's somewhat disconcerting to read Ricciardi as a GM candidate, Dick Scott, wanting to bring back Long (before he went back), Roessler...
Sorry the quoted is my addition, not the news Scott might be a possibility... below is me.
" He makes sense in that Rojas won't be looking over his shoulder but I have to say, it's somewhat disconcerting to read Ricciardi as a GM candidate, Dick Scott, wanting to bring back Long (before he went back), Roessler... "
Presumably against MIL?
@jaysonst
Since FA began 1 FA SP had a 60 game stretch with a K-rate and BB rate as good as
@BauerOutage
in their walk years... his ex-UCLA teammate Gerrit Cole #Mets #SignBauer
Also per the great
@jaysonst
over the last 100 years, 1 single leadoff hitter has posted an OPS, Slugging % and OBP as good as
@GeorgeSpringer
, that would be... Mookie Betts #Mets #SignSpringer
suggests some teams might attach prospects to move big salaries (even on one year deals), playing in NYC caveat aside, Greinke at 1 year 21.7 million + a prospect? Yes please
DeGrom, Bauer, Greinke, Stroman, Peterson... with Thor on the mend.
suggests some teams might attach prospects to move big salaries (even on one year deals), playing in NYC caveat aside, Greinke at 1 year 21.7 million + a prospect? Yes please
To me, that’s the ideal scenario, trade for Greinkes
But I THINK Greinke is at $35mm minus D Backs money (10mm??)
Quote:
@Ken_Rosenthal
suggests some teams might attach prospects to move big salaries (even on one year deals), playing in NYC caveat aside, Greinke at 1 year 21.7 million + a prospect? Yes please
To me, that’s the ideal scenario, trade for Greinkes
But I THINK Greinke is at $35mm minus D Backs money (10mm??)
Greinke is owed 32, 10 from Arizona
"16:$31M, 17:$31M, 18:$31M, 19:$31.5M, 20:$32M, 21:$32M"
acquired by Houston in trade from Arizona 7/31/19 with Diamondbacks paying Astros $26M as part of the deal ($2M assignment bonus on 11/1/19, $3,333,334 on 10/15/19 and $10,333,333 each on 7/1/2020 and 7/1/2021
2.14 era career at citifield over 4 starts
I admit when I’m wrong, which is all too often
Hopefully we start getting some news this week. Would think they want to choose a GM before the WM next week.
I admit when I’m wrong, which is all too often
Definitely didn’t mean to sound snarky. I just knew 21.7 million would be a very random number for me to throw out there lol
I haven't found Britton to be all that plugged in and the new regime has obviously been tight lipped so far so I think that's just a guess.
Cohen answered a direct question on twitter that they don't need the GM in place before they start making moves.
I don't know if anyone can predict when the market will start moving and Sandy is notoriously patient so I'm not predicting anything happens quickly - I don't think there's any indication either way really.
I do think we will get a GM named this week.
- As I noted above, nothing against Dick Scott but how about less bringing the band back together?
- Make good with Fonzie, firing him was an embarrassment
- Apparently Omar begged Jeff to keep Stearns but Jeff wouldn't create the space in the budget to keep him.
@lindseyadler
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On the other hand, as @Ken_Rosenthal
points out in his notes column today, the market could stay slow for a number of different reasons, including potential of a delayed season and that the National League doesn't know if it will have a DH in 2021 yet.
Link - ( New Window )
Senzel would solve 3b for a while.
The above do make Rosario/Giminez/Mauricio and even McNeil (gulp) easier to handle if you HAD to make a move.
I'd imagine if there is a fit between NYM + CIN it would only be if they have interest in a Rosario/JDD type in the first place and we were willing to make that type of flip to get a younger upside player. Perhaps another piece would come back to the Mets also to even up salary.
Again - would be fine with something like that. But Senzel would have to earn his spot.
@JonHeyman
Kris Bryant is a target of the Nats, but Nats are determined to keep young pitchers Rutledge and Cavalli. As I just said on @MLBNetwork despite speculation Bryant will indeed be tendered a contract by Cubs on tender/nontender day Wednesday. Other teams that fit KB: Mets, SF, Tor
9:39 AM · Nov 30, 2020
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Sources: The Mets are deep in talks with free-agent reliever Trevor May. The former Twin ranked seventh in MLB with 14.66 K/9 this season, to compliment a 3.86 ERA. May has a 3.19 mark since returning from Tommy John surgery in 2018.
This is not a done deal, but there is smoke.