Under 48 and Rams money line. Really thought Rams D would hold to field goals and give the outright win a puncher’s chance. Not looking good on that so far.
Under 48 and Rams money line. Really thought Rams D would hold to field goals and give the outright win a puncher’s chance. Not looking good on that so far.
That was def smart play. Originally I like Bucs, but so fishy and we are seeing that play out. If it weren't for the refs Rams would be winning. This is pretty trash so far.
20/20 hindsight, seems to not have been worth the first overall pick or his big second contract.
He's okay. Could do worse. I just wonder how good McVay's offense would be with an athlete under center. Probably near unstoppable if he had a guy like DJ.
Under 48 and Rams money line. Really thought Rams D would hold to field goals and give the outright win a puncher’s chance. Not looking good on that so far.
I think we are in decent shape as far as under goes as long as their no TD before half. These teams are going to stop each other in red zone after half once they make adjustments.
Under 48 and Rams money line. Really thought Rams D would hold to field goals and give the outright win a puncher’s chance. Not looking good on that so far.
I think we are in decent shape as far as under goes as long as their no TD before half. These teams are going to stop each other in red zone after half once they make adjustments.
Yeah there is hope still. Disappointed how those first few series went. Really needed Rams to hold them to 10, not 14.
Need a defensive 3rd quarter.
Took a peek at 2nd half total and it made no sense to me
watching this game until Reise dropped these are the top two scoring teams in second half. 24.5 seemed awfully high in a pretty defensive battle. A few bullshit penalties and perfection in redzone.
Can't help himself. Also, The Rams were going QB that draft. It was him or Wentz. Looks like they did go the right way, but yeah the 2nd contract was a huge mistake. Man those 2 qbs at one time looked to be the future at one point...
For my under peeps, Yes, miss!! (I got the Bucs outright)
Watching the refs in this game I'd almost believe the league is hell bent on getting Brady into the Superbowl which is in Tampa. Sure they'd love that story.
It was in his hand and he started ,going forward with the pass.
I'd lean towars that as well, but that really isn't the issue. That's so damn close they are supposed to let that go and review it. I don't understand how you watch that live and are so confident its a forward pass you blow the whistle.
He actually ruled the double pass as a completion. It is a foul and can't stand, no matter if the penalty is accepted or declined.
He was the Super Bowl referee in 2012 which many other officials think was undeserved and a fix by the powers that be at the time. He has not got a postseason on field assignment since then. It is a disgrace that he got a Super Bowl and the referee whose number he got (23) Johnny Grier never did.
It was in his hand and he started ,going forward with the pass.
I'd lean towars that as well, but that really isn't the issue. That's so damn close they are supposed to let that go and review it. I don't understand how you watch that live and are so confident its a forward pass you blow the whistle.
Exactly. They were lucky the replay confirmed the call but there is no way in real time they knew that was a forward pass. If that’s Jones they call it a fumble and then say the replay was inconclusive
He actually ruled the double pass as a completion. It is a foul and can't stand, no matter if the penalty is accepted or declined.
Are you sure about that? I don’t see anything in the rule book that says the defense can’t take the result of the play.
It is an illegal forward pass. It isn't a legal play to be accepted or declined. It would be like having a QB cross the line of scrimmage, complete a pass and the defense gets the option to decline the penalty. No. Once the QB crosses the LOS, it is an illegal play, regardless of what action the opposition wants to take.
and somewhat confused this year. That pass was awful, especially given the circumstances. They only needed a fg and had 2 full minutes to work with, no need to force that throw
But man..Arians and Leftwich are awful. They can’t help themselves to not go vertical on one drive. 2 min drill you need to just let Brady slice and dice it. Quick slants, screens, etc.
Penalties:
(a) For a forward pass from beyond the line: Loss of down and five yards from the spot of the
pass. See 14-8-2. See S.N. 3 below.
(b) For a second forward pass from behind the line, or for a forward pass that was thrown after
the ball returned behind the line: Loss of five yards
Wait so if a QB crosses the line of scrimmage and throws a pick
he’s been atrocious this year beyond 10 yards. Blueprint was alway out on Brady but it’s more pronounced now - pressure up the middle and you will get a lot of bad throws.
RE: Wait so if a QB crosses the line of scrimmage and throws a pick
Penalties:
(a) For a forward pass from beyond the line: Loss of down and five yards from the spot of the
pass. See 14-8-2. See S.N. 3 below.
(b) For a second forward pass from behind the line, or for a forward pass that was thrown after
the ball returned behind the line: Loss of five yards
Sorry I’m not getting it. It’s clearly a penalty as you state. I don’t see where it says that the penalty can’t be declined.
he’s been atrocious this year beyond 10 yards. Blueprint was alway out on Brady but it’s more pronounced now - pressure up the middle and you will get a lot of bad throws.
If we do make playoffs, this right here is the team we want to play. Tampa Bay team coming to the northeast in dead of winter that stylistically we are a nightmare for them. Of course, the NFL seems he’ll bent on trying their damndest to get TB into a hometown Super Bowl.
RE: RE: Wait so if a QB crosses the line of scrimmage and throws a pick
Penalties:
(a) For a forward pass from beyond the line: Loss of down and five yards from the spot of the
pass. See 14-8-2. See S.N. 3 below.
(b) For a second forward pass from behind the line, or for a forward pass that was thrown after
the ball returned behind the line: Loss of five yards
Sorry I’m not getting it. It’s clearly a penalty as you state. I don’t see where it says that the penalty can’t be declined.
Ray - you are more on top of this than I am. I could be wrong. I didn't think an illegal play is allowed to stand if it is a positive result.
is only a loss of down and spot foul if it's a result of the illegal forward pass coming past the LOS.
If it's a result of a double pass essentially, both being behind the LOS, it can be accepted by the defense or declined by the defense. If the penalty is accepted it's 5 yards from the original LOS and repeat the down.
Item 1: Illegal Passes. Any other forward pass by either team is illegal and is a foul by the passing team, including:
(a) A forward pass thrown when the passer is beyond the line of scrimmage.
Note: It is a forward pass from beyond the line of scrimmage if the passer’s entire body and the ball are beyond the line of scrimmage when the ball is released, whether the passer is airborne or touching the ground. The penalty for a forward pass thrown from beyond the line is enforced from the spot where the ball is released.
Item 2:
(b) (c) (d)
A second forward pass thrown from behind the line of scrimmage.
A forward pass thrown after the ball has crossed the line of scrimmage and has returned behind it.
A forward pass thrown after there has been a change of possession.
Intercepted Illegal Pass. If an illegal pass is caught or intercepted, the ball may be advanced and the penalty declined.
Penalties:
(a) For a forward pass from beyond the line: Loss of down and five yards from the spot of the pass. See 14-8-2. See S.N. 3 below.
(b) For a second forward pass from behind the line, or for a forward pass that was thrown after the ball returned behind the line: Loss of five yards.
(c) For a forward pass that is thrown by Team B, or for a forward pass that is thrown by Team A after a change of possession: Loss of five yards from the spot of the pass.
Penalties:
(a) For a forward pass from beyond the line: Loss of down and five yards from the spot of the
pass. See 14-8-2. See S.N. 3 below.
(b) For a second forward pass from behind the line, or for a forward pass that was thrown after
the ball returned behind the line: Loss of five yards
Sorry I’m not getting it. It’s clearly a penalty as you state. I don’t see where it says that the penalty can’t be declined.
Ray - you are more on top of this than I am. I could be wrong. I didn't think an illegal play is allowed to stand if it is a positive result.
See my example above. A gain of yardage is not necessarily bad for the defense.
I think teams can always take a play result (except for offsetting penalty situations).
playoffs is a long way away but if we ever did make it I want a TB rematch. Avoiding Rodgers and Wilson would be necessary I think but they can disrupt Brady.
But man..Arians and Leftwich are awful. They can’t help themselves to not go vertical on one drive. 2 min drill you need to just let Brady slice and dice it. Quick slants, screens, etc.
They had that pattern for a stretch in the second half. I think for four straight drives.
Run on first down. Take a deep shot on either 2nd or 3rd down. And no first down conversions on any of those drives.
Let's be fair as well. The Rams are a really good D. Very underrated across all levels. So they deserve a lot of credit for bottling up Brady.
But man..Arians and Leftwich are awful. They can’t help themselves to not go vertical on one drive. 2 min drill you need to just let Brady slice and dice it. Quick slants, screens, etc.
They had that pattern for a stretch in the second half. I think for four straight drives.
Run on first down. Take a deep shot on either 2nd or 3rd down. And no first down conversions on any of those drives.
Let's be fair as well. The Rams are a really good D. Very underrated across all levels. So they deserve a lot of credit for bottling up Brady.
Agreed.
The Rams D is no joke. Aaron Donald is just an absolute best. Guy gets doubled and triple teamed yet still gets pressure on QBs.
I have a weird feeling the Bucs will beat the Chiefs next week. They’ve bounced back pretty well from bad performances. They are so inconsistent that I can see a shootout vs KC who do not have a good pass rush.
I thought that was a fumble live and even on replay. This morning while they were showing highlights I freeze framed it and stepped through each second. It was a clear fumble. His arm was not moving forward when the ball was falling out. His hand was still behind his shoulder. I still can't believe they ruled that an incomplete pass. I hate playing conspiracy nut, but it always seems Brady gets the favorable calls
they look very good. 2007 NYG good. No real weakness and so tough and physical up front. Good WRs. Good passing game. Just solid in every area. They will kick the snot out of the Saints in January even if it's in NO. Tampa is winning games but overrated in my view. They are a downhill team that doesn't seem to respond well when punched in the mouth. I also don't think Brady looks that great.
Rams Chiefs. Pitt loses a heartbreaker at home in January because Mahomes is the ultimate equalizer.
they look very good. 2007 NYG good. No real weakness and so tough and physical up front. Good WRs. Good passing game. Just solid in every area. They will kick the snot out of the Saints in January even if it's in NO. Tampa is winning games but overrated in my view. They are a downhill team that doesn't seem to respond well when punched in the mouth. I also don't think Brady looks that great.
Rams Chiefs. Pitt loses a heartbreaker at home in January because Mahomes is the ultimate equalizer.
And we looked damn good against them all things considered even before we hit our stride.
How awesome is Jalen Ramsey. This defense would be sick with him on it. Bullshit flag
That was def smart play. Originally I like Bucs, but so fishy and we are seeing that play out. If it weren't for the refs Rams would be winning. This is pretty trash so far.
He's okay. Could do worse. I just wonder how good McVay's offense would be with an athlete under center. Probably near unstoppable if he had a guy like DJ.
I think we are in decent shape as far as under goes as long as their no TD before half. These teams are going to stop each other in red zone after half once they make adjustments.
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Under 48 and Rams money line. Really thought Rams D would hold to field goals and give the outright win a puncher’s chance. Not looking good on that so far.
I think we are in decent shape as far as under goes as long as their no TD before half. These teams are going to stop each other in red zone after half once they make adjustments.
Yeah there is hope still. Disappointed how those first few series went. Really needed Rams to hold them to 10, not 14.
Need a defensive 3rd quarter.
For my under peeps, Yes, miss!! (I got the Bucs outright)
Unbelievable, considering they are supposed to let it go when its that close. I could see that being a fumble it was so damn close.
That was amazing. I went back and listened to it and the whistle blows just as the ball is out of his hand!
On one hand, happy because I took under. On other hand my fantasy season is over with a loss and a rams TD would win it for me.
Watching the refs in this game I'd almost believe the league is hell bent on getting Brady into the Superbowl which is in Tampa. Sure they'd love that story.
I'd lean towars that as well, but that really isn't the issue. That's so damn close they are supposed to let that go and review it. I don't understand how you watch that live and are so confident its a forward pass you blow the whistle.
What's with that double pass?
He's not in Foxboro anymore. He's got a 10 mile stare.
He actually ruled the double pass as a completion. It is a foul and can't stand, no matter if the penalty is accepted or declined.
He actually ruled the double pass as a completion. It is a foul and can't stand, no matter if the penalty is accepted or declined.
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It was in his hand and he started ,going forward with the pass.
I'd lean towars that as well, but that really isn't the issue. That's so damn close they are supposed to let that go and review it. I don't understand how you watch that live and are so confident its a forward pass you blow the whistle.
Exactly. They were lucky the replay confirmed the call but there is no way in real time they knew that was a forward pass. If that’s Jones they call it a fumble and then say the replay was inconclusive
He actually ruled the double pass as a completion. It is a foul and can't stand, no matter if the penalty is accepted or declined.
Are you sure about that? I don’t see anything in the rule book that says the defense can’t take the result of the play.
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Boger still get games??
He actually ruled the double pass as a completion. It is a foul and can't stand, no matter if the penalty is accepted or declined.
Are you sure about that? I don’t see anything in the rule book that says the defense can’t take the result of the play.
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Boger still get games??
He actually ruled the double pass as a completion. It is a foul and can't stand, no matter if the penalty is accepted or declined.
Are you sure about that? I don’t see anything in the rule book that says the defense can’t take the result of the play.
Can an illegal forward pass completion be considered a result of the play?
I think so. I don’t see that particular foul not allowing the play to continue until the ball is dead.
It is spelled out that the illegal forward pass can be intercepted, so that’s one case where the play continues.
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Boger still get games??
He actually ruled the double pass as a completion. It is a foul and can't stand, no matter if the penalty is accepted or declined.
Are you sure about that? I don’t see anything in the rule book that says the defense can’t take the result of the play.
It is an illegal forward pass. It isn't a legal play to be accepted or declined. It would be like having a QB cross the line of scrimmage, complete a pass and the defense gets the option to decline the penalty. No. Once the QB crosses the LOS, it is an illegal play, regardless of what action the opposition wants to take.
(a) For a forward pass from beyond the line: Loss of down and five yards from the spot of the
pass. See 14-8-2. See S.N. 3 below.
(b) For a second forward pass from behind the line, or for a forward pass that was thrown after
the ball returned behind the line: Loss of five yards
They can. But I don't think a positive result is allowed to stand. I could be wrong
(a) For a forward pass from beyond the line: Loss of down and five yards from the spot of the
pass. See 14-8-2. See S.N. 3 below.
(b) For a second forward pass from behind the line, or for a forward pass that was thrown after
the ball returned behind the line: Loss of five yards
Sorry I’m not getting it. It’s clearly a penalty as you state. I don’t see where it says that the penalty can’t be declined.
If we do make playoffs, this right here is the team we want to play. Tampa Bay team coming to the northeast in dead of winter that stylistically we are a nightmare for them. Of course, the NFL seems he’ll bent on trying their damndest to get TB into a hometown Super Bowl.
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the defense wouldn't be able to take the result of the play? Why not?
They can. But I don't think a positive result is allowed to stand. I could be wrong
It could result in 4th and 8 vs 3rd and 15 and the defense would want 4th and 8, for example.
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Penalties:
(a) For a forward pass from beyond the line: Loss of down and five yards from the spot of the
pass. See 14-8-2. See S.N. 3 below.
(b) For a second forward pass from behind the line, or for a forward pass that was thrown after
the ball returned behind the line: Loss of five yards
Sorry I’m not getting it. It’s clearly a penalty as you state. I don’t see where it says that the penalty can’t be declined.
Ray - you are more on top of this than I am. I could be wrong. I didn't think an illegal play is allowed to stand if it is a positive result.
If it's a result of a double pass essentially, both being behind the LOS, it can be accepted by the defense or declined by the defense. If the penalty is accepted it's 5 yards from the original LOS and repeat the down.
Item 1: Illegal Passes. Any other forward pass by either team is illegal and is a foul by the passing team, including:
(a) A forward pass thrown when the passer is beyond the line of scrimmage.
Note: It is a forward pass from beyond the line of scrimmage if the passer’s entire body and the ball are beyond the line of scrimmage when the ball is released, whether the passer is airborne or touching the ground. The penalty for a forward pass thrown from beyond the line is enforced from the spot where the ball is released.
Item 2:
(b) (c) (d)
A second forward pass thrown from behind the line of scrimmage.
A forward pass thrown after the ball has crossed the line of scrimmage and has returned behind it.
A forward pass thrown after there has been a change of possession.
Intercepted Illegal Pass. If an illegal pass is caught or intercepted, the ball may be advanced and the penalty declined.
Penalties:
(a) For a forward pass from beyond the line: Loss of down and five yards from the spot of the pass. See 14-8-2. See S.N. 3 below.
(b) For a second forward pass from behind the line, or for a forward pass that was thrown after the ball returned behind the line: Loss of five yards.
(c) For a forward pass that is thrown by Team B, or for a forward pass that is thrown by Team A after a change of possession: Loss of five yards from the spot of the pass.
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Penalties:
(a) For a forward pass from beyond the line: Loss of down and five yards from the spot of the
pass. See 14-8-2. See S.N. 3 below.
(b) For a second forward pass from behind the line, or for a forward pass that was thrown after
the ball returned behind the line: Loss of five yards
Sorry I’m not getting it. It’s clearly a penalty as you state. I don’t see where it says that the penalty can’t be declined.
Ray - you are more on top of this than I am. I could be wrong. I didn't think an illegal play is allowed to stand if it is a positive result.
See my example above. A gain of yardage is not necessarily bad for the defense.
I think teams can always take a play result (except for offsetting penalty situations).
They had that pattern for a stretch in the second half. I think for four straight drives.
Run on first down. Take a deep shot on either 2nd or 3rd down. And no first down conversions on any of those drives.
Let's be fair as well. The Rams are a really good D. Very underrated across all levels. So they deserve a lot of credit for bottling up Brady.
We should have beat the Bucs earlier this year. I feel they are overrated by the analysts.
Quite frankly the Giants Oline looked better than the Bucs line and our line is much better now.
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But man..Arians and Leftwich are awful. They can’t help themselves to not go vertical on one drive. 2 min drill you need to just let Brady slice and dice it. Quick slants, screens, etc.
They had that pattern for a stretch in the second half. I think for four straight drives.
Run on first down. Take a deep shot on either 2nd or 3rd down. And no first down conversions on any of those drives.
Let's be fair as well. The Rams are a really good D. Very underrated across all levels. So they deserve a lot of credit for bottling up Brady.
Agreed.
The Rams D is no joke. Aaron Donald is just an absolute best. Guy gets doubled and triple teamed yet still gets pressure on QBs.
I have a weird feeling the Bucs will beat the Chiefs next week. They’ve bounced back pretty well from bad performances. They are so inconsistent that I can see a shootout vs KC who do not have a good pass rush.
What a dick, does he generally do this, even after wins.
Go shake the kid's hand, you beat him the SB..........now he gets a small measure of revenge.
Brady's two pics were related to him not seeing a safety...weird. I wonder if the end is coming sooner than later..........
Rams Chiefs. Pitt loses a heartbreaker at home in January because Mahomes is the ultimate equalizer.
Rams Chiefs. Pitt loses a heartbreaker at home in January because Mahomes is the ultimate equalizer.
And we looked damn good against them all things considered even before we hit our stride.