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MNF: Rams At Buccaneers

Trainmaster : 11/23/2020 8:43 pm
A game that probably doesn’t matter much to the Giants. From an SOS standpoint for draft position, I guess we want the Bucs to lose.

I don’t like the Rams, but don’t like Brady. Rooting against Rams I guess.

Took under 48 looks like right decision  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/23/2020 9:03 pm : link
Rams FS with the nice play on Gronk. Will be nice to start seeing some of that with McKinney coming back

How awesome is Jalen Ramsey. This defense would be sick with him on it. Bullshit flag
Goff  
Trainmaster : 11/23/2020 9:08 pm : link
20/20 hindsight, seems to not have been worth the first overall pick or his big second contract.
Parlayed  
BubbaMojo : 11/23/2020 9:10 pm : link
Under 48 and Rams money line. Really thought Rams D would hold to field goals and give the outright win a puncher’s chance. Not looking good on that so far.
RE: Parlayed  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/23/2020 9:11 pm : link
In comment 15055329 BubbaMojo said:
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Under 48 and Rams money line. Really thought Rams D would hold to field goals and give the outright win a puncher’s chance. Not looking good on that so far.


That was def smart play. Originally I like Bucs, but so fishy and we are seeing that play out. If it weren't for the refs Rams would be winning. This is pretty trash so far.
RE: Goff  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/23/2020 9:12 pm : link
In comment 15055323 Trainmaster said:
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20/20 hindsight, seems to not have been worth the first overall pick or his big second contract.


He's okay. Could do worse. I just wonder how good McVay's offense would be with an athlete under center. Probably near unstoppable if he had a guy like DJ.
Cooper Kupp looks like the same guy pre ACL  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/23/2020 9:14 pm : link
Good news for Saquon since they shared Surgeons.
RE: Parlayed  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/23/2020 9:18 pm : link
In comment 15055329 BubbaMojo said:
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Under 48 and Rams money line. Really thought Rams D would hold to field goals and give the outright win a puncher’s chance. Not looking good on that so far.


I think we are in decent shape as far as under goes as long as their no TD before half. These teams are going to stop each other in red zone after half once they make adjustments.
I wonder...  
trueblueinpw : 11/23/2020 9:26 pm : link
If the Bucs could win this game only throwing the ball to Antonio Brown. They could run with anyone, but Brady could only throw to AB.
RE: RE: Parlayed  
BubbaMojo : 11/23/2020 9:36 pm : link
In comment 15055334 Zeke's Alibi said:
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Under 48 and Rams money line. Really thought Rams D would hold to field goals and give the outright win a puncher’s chance. Not looking good on that so far.



I think we are in decent shape as far as under goes as long as their no TD before half. These teams are going to stop each other in red zone after half once they make adjustments.


Yeah there is hope still. Disappointed how those first few series went. Really needed Rams to hold them to 10, not 14.

Need a defensive 3rd quarter.
Took a peek at 2nd half total and it made no sense to me  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/23/2020 9:50 pm : link
watching this game until Reise dropped these are the top two scoring teams in second half. 24.5 seemed awfully high in a pretty defensive battle. A few bullshit penalties and perfection in redzone.
Nice play by JPP.  
St. Jimmy : 11/23/2020 9:52 pm : link
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JPPick!  
trueblueinpw : 11/23/2020 9:53 pm : link
The one handed bandit!
I Was About To Say  
Trainmaster : 11/23/2020 9:59 pm : link
Goff is looking pretty good. Terrible pick by Goff.

Goff  
StingerProf : 11/23/2020 10:05 pm : link
Can't help himself. Also, The Rams were going QB that draft. It was him or Wentz. Looks like they did go the right way, but yeah the 2nd contract was a huge mistake. Man those 2 qbs at one time looked to be the future at one point...

For my under peeps, Yes, miss!! (I got the Bucs outright)
Was that Brady's worst pass ever  
StingerProf : 11/23/2020 10:08 pm : link
?
🤔  
trueblueinpw : 11/23/2020 10:09 pm : link
not sure what TB12 was looking at there...
That was..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/23/2020 10:29 pm : link
a really quick whistle. TB getting the benefit of every call so far
That’s a fumble.  
trueblueinpw : 11/23/2020 10:30 pm : link
And a TD. Doubt it gets called that way. But, that’s what I saw.
RE: That was..  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/23/2020 10:30 pm : link
In comment 15055358 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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a really quick whistle. TB getting the benefit of every call so far


Unbelievable, considering they are supposed to let it go when its that close. I could see that being a fumble it was so damn close.
that's going to stay incomplete  
UConn4523 : 11/23/2020 10:31 pm : link
which is really annoying. I hope i'm wrong because that looks like a sack both in normal speed and slow motion.
That whistle blew  
Everyone Relax : 11/23/2020 10:31 pm : link
before the ball hit the ground
I guess the quick whistle is to protect the QB  
trueblueinpw : 11/23/2020 10:32 pm : link
Can’t blame ‘em. But it’s in the endzone too and that’s a scoring play for defense.
RE: That whistle blew  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/23/2020 10:33 pm : link
In comment 15055362 Everyone Relax said:
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before the ball hit the ground


That was amazing. I went back and listened to it and the whistle blows just as the ball is out of his hand!
RE: I guess the quick whistle is to protect the QB  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/23/2020 10:39 pm : link
In comment 15055363 trueblueinpw said:
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Can’t blame ‘em. But it’s in the endzone too and that’s a scoring play for defense.


On one hand, happy because I took under. On other hand my fantasy season is over with a loss and a rams TD would win it for me.
That wasn’t a fumble  
KWALL2 : 11/23/2020 10:40 pm : link
It was in his hand and he started ,going forward with the pass.
A skipper...  
trueblueinpw : 11/23/2020 10:41 pm : link
by Brady. is he a bit rattled tonight?
Brady is a middle of the road QB now. Still can win a SB down there  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/23/2020 10:42 pm : link
with that team.

Watching the refs in this game I'd almost believe the league is hell bent on getting Brady into the Superbowl which is in Tampa. Sure they'd love that story.
JPP  
KWALL2 : 11/23/2020 10:42 pm : link
Making plays. Did anybody see him just rag doll the blocker to start the game? He threw the guy 2 yard and put him on his back. He’s still a beast.
RE: That wasn’t a fumble  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/23/2020 10:43 pm : link
In comment 15055369 KWALL2 said:
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It was in his hand and he started ,going forward with the pass.


I'd lean towars that as well, but that really isn't the issue. That's so damn close they are supposed to let that go and review it. I don't understand how you watch that live and are so confident its a forward pass you blow the whistle.
Boger needs a shave.  
Big Al : 11/23/2020 10:44 pm : link
Actually think the NFL has just starting allowing their officials to have facial hair.
Has...  
JohnG in Albany : 11/23/2020 10:44 pm : link
Brady lost his mind?

What's with that double pass?

He's not in Foxboro anymore. He's got a 10 mile stare.
How does..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/23/2020 10:46 pm : link
Boger still get games??

He actually ruled the double pass as a completion. It is a foul and can't stand, no matter if the penalty is accepted or declined.
Great  
AcidTest : 11/23/2020 10:56 pm : link
play by Whitehead for the INT.
Wow  
trueblueinpw : 11/23/2020 11:02 pm : link
That’s a heck of a stretch.
That was pretty careless by Godwin,,,could of easily went  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/23/2020 11:02 pm : link
out the back of end zone. Shit they almost blocked that to keep my under alive. Cest la vie.
RE: How does..  
Big Al : 11/23/2020 11:04 pm : link
In comment 15055377 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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Boger still get games??

He actually ruled the double pass as a completion. It is a foul and can't stand, no matter if the penalty is accepted or declined.
He was the Super Bowl referee in 2012 which many other officials think was undeserved and a fix by the powers that be at the time. He has not got a postseason on field assignment since then. It is a disgrace that he got a Super Bowl and the referee whose number he got (23) Johnny Grier never did.
RE: RE: That wasn’t a fumble  
Everyone Relax : 11/23/2020 11:05 pm : link
In comment 15055373 Zeke's Alibi said:
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It was in his hand and he started ,going forward with the pass.



I'd lean towars that as well, but that really isn't the issue. That's so damn close they are supposed to let that go and review it. I don't understand how you watch that live and are so confident its a forward pass you blow the whistle.

Exactly. They were lucky the replay confirmed the call but there is no way in real time they knew that was a forward pass. If that’s Jones they call it a fumble and then say the replay was inconclusive
RE: How does..  
ray in arlington : 11/23/2020 11:07 pm : link
In comment 15055377 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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Boger still get games??

He actually ruled the double pass as a completion. It is a foul and can't stand, no matter if the penalty is accepted or declined.


Are you sure about that? I don’t see anything in the rule book that says the defense can’t take the result of the play.
RE: RE: How does..  
Big Al : 11/23/2020 11:11 pm : link
In comment 15055394 ray in arlington said:
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Boger still get games??

He actually ruled the double pass as a completion. It is a foul and can't stand, no matter if the penalty is accepted or declined.



Are you sure about that? I don’t see anything in the rule book that says the defense can’t take the result of the play.
Can an illegal forward pass completion be considered a result of the play?
Brady... oof.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 11/23/2020 11:17 pm : link
That was ugly.
Who would have the gall  
jhibb : 11/23/2020 11:20 pm : link
to suggest that Brady might have trouble with the long ball at this part of his career? I mean, such haughtiness.
If Daniel Jones threw the interception  
Ron Johnson : 11/23/2020 11:21 pm : link
that Brady just threw he’d be crucified.
RE: RE: RE: How does..  
ray in arlington : 11/23/2020 11:22 pm : link
In comment 15055395 Big Al said:
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Boger still get games??

He actually ruled the double pass as a completion. It is a foul and can't stand, no matter if the penalty is accepted or declined.



Are you sure about that? I don’t see anything in the rule book that says the defense can’t take the result of the play.

Can an illegal forward pass completion be considered a result of the play?


I think so. I don’t see that particular foul not allowing the play to continue until the ball is dead.

It is spelled out that the illegal forward pass can be intercepted, so that’s one case where the play continues.
RE: RE: How does..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/23/2020 11:23 pm : link
In comment 15055394 ray in arlington said:
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Boger still get games??

He actually ruled the double pass as a completion. It is a foul and can't stand, no matter if the penalty is accepted or declined.



Are you sure about that? I don’t see anything in the rule book that says the defense can’t take the result of the play.


It is an illegal forward pass. It isn't a legal play to be accepted or declined. It would be like having a QB cross the line of scrimmage, complete a pass and the defense gets the option to decline the penalty. No. Once the QB crosses the LOS, it is an illegal play, regardless of what action the opposition wants to take.
Brady is such a sore loser...  
bw in dc : 11/23/2020 11:24 pm : link
I hope opposing QBs start walking off when he wins.

Brady constantly looks apathetic  
Everyone Relax : 11/23/2020 11:24 pm : link
and somewhat confused this year. That pass was awful, especially given the circumstances. They only needed a fg and had 2 full minutes to work with, no need to force that throw
Brady played bad..  
RUNYG : 11/23/2020 11:26 pm : link
But man..Arians and Leftwich are awful. They can’t help themselves to not go vertical on one drive. 2 min drill you need to just let Brady slice and dice it. Quick slants, screens, etc.
From the rule book..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/23/2020 11:26 pm : link
Penalties:
(a) For a forward pass from beyond the line: Loss of down and five yards from the spot of the
pass. See 14-8-2. See S.N. 3 below.
(b) For a second forward pass from behind the line, or for a forward pass that was thrown after
the ball returned behind the line: Loss of five yards
Wait so if a QB crosses the line of scrimmage and throws a pick  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/23/2020 11:29 pm : link
the defense wouldn't be able to take the result of the play? Why not?
Brady with an impressive 4.5 ypa  
UConn4523 : 11/23/2020 11:30 pm : link
he’s been atrocious this year beyond 10 yards. Blueprint was alway out on Brady but it’s more pronounced now - pressure up the middle and you will get a lot of bad throws.
RE: Wait so if a QB crosses the line of scrimmage and throws a pick  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/23/2020 11:32 pm : link
In comment 15055408 Zeke's Alibi said:
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the defense wouldn't be able to take the result of the play? Why not?


They can. But I don't think a positive result is allowed to stand. I could be wrong
RE: From the rule book..  
ray in arlington : 11/23/2020 11:32 pm : link
In comment 15055406 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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Penalties:
(a) For a forward pass from beyond the line: Loss of down and five yards from the spot of the
pass. See 14-8-2. See S.N. 3 below.
(b) For a second forward pass from behind the line, or for a forward pass that was thrown after
the ball returned behind the line: Loss of five yards


Sorry I’m not getting it. It’s clearly a penalty as you state. I don’t see where it says that the penalty can’t be declined.
RE: Brady with an impressive 4.5 ypa  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/23/2020 11:33 pm : link
In comment 15055409 UConn4523 said:
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he’s been atrocious this year beyond 10 yards. Blueprint was alway out on Brady but it’s more pronounced now - pressure up the middle and you will get a lot of bad throws.


If we do make playoffs, this right here is the team we want to play. Tampa Bay team coming to the northeast in dead of winter that stylistically we are a nightmare for them. Of course, the NFL seems he’ll bent on trying their damndest to get TB into a hometown Super Bowl.
RE: RE: Wait so if a QB crosses the line of scrimmage and throws a pick  
ray in arlington : 11/23/2020 11:36 pm : link
In comment 15055411 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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the defense wouldn't be able to take the result of the play? Why not?



They can. But I don't think a positive result is allowed to stand. I could be wrong


It could result in 4th and 8 vs 3rd and 15 and the defense would want 4th and 8, for example.
RE: RE: From the rule book..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/23/2020 11:37 pm : link
In comment 15055412 ray in arlington said:
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Penalties:
(a) For a forward pass from beyond the line: Loss of down and five yards from the spot of the
pass. See 14-8-2. See S.N. 3 below.
(b) For a second forward pass from behind the line, or for a forward pass that was thrown after
the ball returned behind the line: Loss of five yards



Sorry I’m not getting it. It’s clearly a penalty as you state. I don’t see where it says that the penalty can’t be declined.


Ray - you are more on top of this than I am. I could be wrong. I didn't think an illegal play is allowed to stand if it is a positive result.
Illegal forward pass  
MookGiants : 11/23/2020 11:40 pm : link
is only a loss of down and spot foul if it's a result of the illegal forward pass coming past the LOS.

If it's a result of a double pass essentially, both being behind the LOS, it can be accepted by the defense or declined by the defense. If the penalty is accepted it's 5 yards from the original LOS and repeat the down.

Item 1: Illegal Passes. Any other forward pass by either team is illegal and is a foul by the passing team, including:
(a) A forward pass thrown when the passer is beyond the line of scrimmage.
Note: It is a forward pass from beyond the line of scrimmage if the passer’s entire body and the ball are beyond the line of scrimmage when the ball is released, whether the passer is airborne or touching the ground. The penalty for a forward pass thrown from beyond the line is enforced from the spot where the ball is released.
Item 2:
(b) (c) (d)
A second forward pass thrown from behind the line of scrimmage.
A forward pass thrown after the ball has crossed the line of scrimmage and has returned behind it.
A forward pass thrown after there has been a change of possession.
Intercepted Illegal Pass. If an illegal pass is caught or intercepted, the ball may be advanced and the penalty declined.
Penalties:
(a) For a forward pass from beyond the line: Loss of down and five yards from the spot of the pass. See 14-8-2. See S.N. 3 below.
(b) For a second forward pass from behind the line, or for a forward pass that was thrown after the ball returned behind the line: Loss of five yards.
(c) For a forward pass that is thrown by Team B, or for a forward pass that is thrown by Team A after a change of possession: Loss of five yards from the spot of the pass.
RE: RE: RE: From the rule book..  
ray in arlington : 11/23/2020 11:41 pm : link
In comment 15055416 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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In comment 15055406 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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Penalties:
(a) For a forward pass from beyond the line: Loss of down and five yards from the spot of the
pass. See 14-8-2. See S.N. 3 below.
(b) For a second forward pass from behind the line, or for a forward pass that was thrown after
the ball returned behind the line: Loss of five yards



Sorry I’m not getting it. It’s clearly a penalty as you state. I don’t see where it says that the penalty can’t be declined.



Ray - you are more on top of this than I am. I could be wrong. I didn't think an illegal play is allowed to stand if it is a positive result.


See my example above. A gain of yardage is not necessarily bad for the defense.

I think teams can always take a play result (except for offsetting penalty situations).
Agreed  
UConn4523 : 11/23/2020 11:42 pm : link
playoffs is a long way away but if we ever did make it I want a TB rematch. Avoiding Rodgers and Wilson would be necessary I think but they can disrupt Brady.
RE: Brady played bad..  
bw in dc : 11/23/2020 11:50 pm : link
In comment 15055404 RUNYG said:
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But man..Arians and Leftwich are awful. They can’t help themselves to not go vertical on one drive. 2 min drill you need to just let Brady slice and dice it. Quick slants, screens, etc.


They had that pattern for a stretch in the second half. I think for four straight drives.

Run on first down. Take a deep shot on either 2nd or 3rd down. And no first down conversions on any of those drives.

Let's be fair as well. The Rams are a really good D. Very underrated across all levels. So they deserve a lot of credit for bottling up Brady.
If we are being fair..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/23/2020 11:53 pm : link
I'm surprised that the take is completely different from when the Rams beat the Giants.
Brady being Brady  
Rick in Dallas : 11/24/2020 8:02 am : link
Walks off the field sulking after the loss last night. He is so unlikeable.

We should have beat the Bucs earlier this year. I feel they are overrated by the analysts.
RE: If we are being fair..  
section125 : 11/24/2020 9:07 am : link
In comment 15055427 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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I'm surprised that the take is completely different from when the Rams beat the Giants.


Quite frankly the Giants Oline looked better than the Bucs line and our line is much better now.

RE: RE: Brady played bad..  
RUNYG : 11/24/2020 10:09 am : link
In comment 15055422 bw in dc said:
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But man..Arians and Leftwich are awful. They can’t help themselves to not go vertical on one drive. 2 min drill you need to just let Brady slice and dice it. Quick slants, screens, etc.



They had that pattern for a stretch in the second half. I think for four straight drives.

Run on first down. Take a deep shot on either 2nd or 3rd down. And no first down conversions on any of those drives.

Let's be fair as well. The Rams are a really good D. Very underrated across all levels. So they deserve a lot of credit for bottling up Brady.

Agreed.

The Rams D is no joke. Aaron Donald is just an absolute best. Guy gets doubled and triple teamed yet still gets pressure on QBs.

I have a weird feeling the Bucs will beat the Chiefs next week. They’ve bounced back pretty well from bad performances. They are so inconsistent that I can see a shootout vs KC who do not have a good pass rush.
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Banks : 11/24/2020 10:14 am : link
I thought that was a fumble live and even on replay. This morning while they were showing highlights I freeze framed it and stepped through each second. It was a clear fumble. His arm was not moving forward when the ball was falling out. His hand was still behind his shoulder. I still can't believe they ruled that an incomplete pass. I hate playing conspiracy nut, but it always seems Brady gets the favorable calls
RE: Brady being Brady  
BillKo : 11/24/2020 11:28 am : link
In comment 15055458 Rick in Dallas said:
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Walks off the field sulking after the loss last night. He is so unlikeable.


What a dick, does he generally do this, even after wins.

Go shake the kid's hand, you beat him the SB..........now he gets a small measure of revenge.

Brady's two pics were related to him not seeing a safety...weird. I wonder if the end is coming sooner than later..........
Rams are my pick to go back to the super bowl  
djm : 11/24/2020 12:30 pm : link
they look very good. 2007 NYG good. No real weakness and so tough and physical up front. Good WRs. Good passing game. Just solid in every area. They will kick the snot out of the Saints in January even if it's in NO. Tampa is winning games but overrated in my view. They are a downhill team that doesn't seem to respond well when punched in the mouth. I also don't think Brady looks that great.

Rams Chiefs. Pitt loses a heartbreaker at home in January because Mahomes is the ultimate equalizer.
RE: Rams are my pick to go back to the super bowl  
BestFeature : 11/24/2020 12:32 pm : link
In comment 15055795 djm said:
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they look very good. 2007 NYG good. No real weakness and so tough and physical up front. Good WRs. Good passing game. Just solid in every area. They will kick the snot out of the Saints in January even if it's in NO. Tampa is winning games but overrated in my view. They are a downhill team that doesn't seem to respond well when punched in the mouth. I also don't think Brady looks that great.

Rams Chiefs. Pitt loses a heartbreaker at home in January because Mahomes is the ultimate equalizer.


And we looked damn good against them all things considered even before we hit our stride.
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