Sort of NGT: JPP

Disruptive.

Not just today.

In comment 15055380 KWALL2 said:

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Not just today.

Agreed. Haven't seen a lot of TB football but he's been really good.

But he never quite recaptured that here. He also had a ton go wrong for him in that accident, and eventually just needed a change of scenery I think.

Happy to see him doing really well.

Regardless of whether NYG should have or shouldn't have let him go, I'm happy he's playing well.

Seemed like a decent guy, and came back from an incident some others would not be able to.

or anything else...

In comment 15055407 Del Shofner said:

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or anything else...

lotta projects never panned out.

In his career
My mistake. Still looks pretty fresh, disruptive, plays hard etc

But he needed a change of scenery and he’s back in FL. Always a Giant and will root for him.

I couldn’t root for Parcells when he was a Jet and especially when he was a Cowboy. Tarnished his image going to those places and sticking us with the one we can’t name.

The Guy loved being a Giant, had a ring and still had gas left in the tank. We gave up on him too soon, I know he had a hefty salary but pass rushers don’t come cheap and hmmm what’s the biggest hole currently on the Giants roster??? It’d be nice to actually keep a player we nailed in the draft for their entire careers.

In comment 15055381 kennyd said:

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In comment 15055380 KWALL2 said: Quote: Not just today. Agreed. Haven't seen a lot of TB football but he's been really good.

all 3 years he's been there.

If he didn't miss 6 games last year, he is looking at 3 straight 10+ sack seasons.

JPP ended up getting labeled a malcontent because of Ben McAdoo's incompetence. Who wasn't a malcontent with BM here? I almost stopped watching the Giants during that time which is unheard of. JPP wasn't a malcontent when he was whipping ass on the way to a Lombardi Trophy.

The other bogus refrain you here as justification for letting him go? He isn't the same player as 2011. No he isn't. But he's still easily one of the best 2-way edge players in the league and a player that would've made this Giants D much, much better.

impressive and I, like many others, felt he would be so much less effective at this point in his career. He clearly still has what he's always had and that's a serious motor!

Hard to know if you'd have the same outcome here. Glad he is doing well and he seems much happy in Tampa. Plus, what would it be like here after another 3 years of losing. Tampa also reworked his contract saving them 4mil (on top of the savings from the Giants paying is signing bonus) and made him a free agent. They followed that up by resigning him to a 2yr deal (he could have gone anywhere). Think he does all that for the Giants???

Believe me i wish he was still here, one of my favorites, but I don't think it's realistic to expect him to have the same results here, or even be here right now, had they not traded him then. People would have been screaming the year he missed 6 games while paying him 15mil. Tampa has him at a good price for what he is giving them.

A lot of fans seem to watch him through blue-colored glasses and forget the complaining and the inconsistent play with NYG in his later years. It seems going home to Tampa was exactly what he needed, and it was time for a breakup.

Don't yearn for the girl who moves on from you.

if he wasn't so dumb?

Absolutely correct decision to let him go.

Tampa's D is loaded with players, which certainly helps him.

In comment 15055473 JonC said:

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A lot of fans seem to watch him through blue-colored glasses and forget the complaining and the inconsistent play with NYG in his later years. It seems going home to Tampa was exactly what he needed, and it was time for a breakup. Don't yearn for the girl who moves on from you.

Right. Plus he had a balky back and certainly wasn’t part of this teams timeline. He’ll be what 31-32 next year? That’s pretty much the start of our competitive window. Don’t fault him getting what he can. Plus he’s in a defense that is very aggressive with tremendous front 7. Doesn’t touch those numbers here.

In comment 15055441 mittenedman said:

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JPP ended up getting labeled a malcontent because of Ben McAdoo's incompetence. Who wasn't a malcontent with BM here? I almost stopped watching the Giants during that time which is unheard of. JPP wasn't a malcontent when he was whipping ass on the way to a Lombardi Trophy. The other bogus refrain you here as justification for letting him go? He isn't the same player as 2011. No he isn't. But he's still easily one of the best 2-way edge players in the league and a player that would've made this Giants D much, much better.

None of it is bogus. He was an expensive player that wasn't living up to his pay - its that simple. A lot of players suffered under McAdoo and Shurmur, so don't single out JPP. If we had a Joe Judge 5 years ago everything would be different. But we didn't, and we don't.

We got some good draft capital for an expensive vet on a team going nowhere. That's it. Glad to see him playing well, he's been through a lot and seeing him still playing is pretty cool.

is a big factor, he's not a focal point for the offense to attack either. He's moving well and is disruptive at times, but isn't the same explosive force he was before the back injuries.

is often part of the perspective problem here. He's not that player anymore, and hasn't been for many years.

He's still got plenty of good ball left in him too and he doesn't make that much $$$ for his play.

Him being a malcontent was complete BS, he was actually one of the guys who cared, and knew how to win. Yes he seemed to waver under McAdoo but so did I. The team was in complete disarray and EVERYONE checked out, including the fans. That's the affect a Ray Handley-esque coach has on a football team.

I guess I'm the only one that wishes we stuck it out with him.

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In comment 15055473 JonC said:

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A lot of fans seem to watch him through blue-colored glasses and forget the complaining and the inconsistent play with NYG in his later years. It seems going home to Tampa was exactly what he needed, and it was time for a breakup. Don't yearn for the girl who moves on from you.

And he was shut down by the Giants from having a major impact. Happy he is having a good season, he was awesome his first years here. I agree with Jon, wish him success.

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In comment 15055407 Del Shofner said: Quote: or anything else... lotta projects never panned out.

This is where I think a big misunderstanding from fans in general is, most studies will show that less than 50% of 1st round picks will start three years later for their team. 40% or so in the 2nd round and it goes down from there.


Almost all players don't work out.


A few do.

Every player that gets drafted the realistic expectation is this guy won't amount to much, but that's not fun to think like that.

In comment 15055498 mittenedman said:

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He's still got plenty of good ball left in him too and he doesn't make that much $$$ for his play. Him being a malcontent was complete BS, he was actually one of the guys who cared, and knew how to win. Yes he seemed to waver under McAdoo but so did I. The team was in complete disarray and EVERYONE checked out, including the fans. That's the affect a Ray Handley-esque coach has on a football team. I guess I'm the only one that wishes we stuck it out with him.

Me too. Him, Beckham etc. Electric players/play makers don't grow on trees. They are really hard to find the Giants had a handful of them when Mcadoo/Gettleman took over, and now there are almost zero true playmakers on this team that aren't sqauon.


Slayton is an ok player, Sheppard is ok, Leonard Williams is solid

Just a lot of solid guys but no one who can take over a game. I'd love to see one of those in the next year or so

In comment 15055498 mittenedman said:

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He's still got plenty of good ball left in him too and he doesn't make that much $$$ for his play. Him being a malcontent was complete BS, he was actually one of the guys who cared, and knew how to win. Yes he seemed to waver under McAdoo but so did I. The team was in complete disarray and EVERYONE checked out, including the fans. That's the affect a Ray Handley-esque coach has on a football team. I guess I'm the only one that wishes we stuck it out with him.

I don't think anyone here is saying we don't wish we had a JPP right now. But that's pretty irrelevant. We didn't trade him last year we traded him 2.5 years ago when the team was an utter joke and he was an expensive vet not making a big enough impact. We moved on and so did he.

JPP has defied the odds and had an unpredictably long and consistent career.

After his back, hernia, hand, and neck injuries -- it's quite remarkable.

I think too many fans can't separate that he was and is a really tough, consistent, and productive player from his immaturity and the slightly inflated contract Reese gave him.

It's a perfectly defensible argument that with stronger leadership at the coach's mantle post-Coughlin -- JPP, OBJ, DRC, Collins, Snacks, etc. could have been the foundation for a run.

should’ve been on the ring of honor with Strahan, Osi and Tuck. A Giants team without great pass rushers still doesn’t feel right to me. Maybe Gettleman will get around to it in year 4.

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whatever the reason was, he wasn't getting it done here.

He blew-up a few plays last night.

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The only reason that that is not funny is that it is true!

In comment 15055473 JonC said:

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A lot of fans seem to watch him through blue-colored glasses and forget the complaining and the inconsistent play with NYG in his later years. It seems going home to Tampa was exactly what he needed, and it was time for a breakup. Don't yearn for the girl who moves on from you.

I disagree Jon. Yes he had a few "down" years, but so did the entire team. It was no way he was going to play the same as 2011. That's the issue here. Fans tend to think players should and will at a level every year and if they don't, they want them jettisoned.

This team shed too much talent instead of growing it. Exact reason why the team is in the position it is now.

the default is always who they are playing around them? JPP had a few down years and now is playing better?

but he was deemed part of the problem, hard to argue with that unless you're in the building.

If you choose to weed out the problems and run with it while you rebuild the foundation, so be it. Get it done.

and from lower rounds who could have been part of the team

if you're going to build mostly via the draft from the ground up, the expensive and the jerks are gonna go. I for one don't miss JPP, Snacks, or any of the others, and applaud ripping off the band aid in that respect.

The fact the rebuild took awhile to take root is something I can live with, especially now that it appears a promising coach is in there and the team is playing reasonably well despite some big talent holes in the roster.

I like the Judge and it seems he will be a good one. My concern is more long term as it is right now.

I can see another roster re-vamp next year and stability in 2022. Question is, whose gonna be on this team in 2 more years? The OL can be a fixture, depends on the coaching. The DL is gonna look totally different next year, as well as the LB corps..

I see what I wanted to see this year. Progress. This is what I expected, pretty much. This upcoming off-season is gong to be pivotal.

In comment 15055589 Pete in MD said:

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He blew-up a few plays last night.

Why do I have a feeling you voted for the loser this past election?

In comment 15055489 JonC said:

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is a big factor, he's not a focal point for the offense to attack either. He's moving well and is disruptive at times, but isn't the same explosive force he was before the back injuries.

Let's be fair. His first year at TB he was absolutely not surrounded by a lot of talent and had 12.5 sacks. The next three below him 6.5, 3.5, 2.5.

He's also a winner and this team that doesn't know how to win. But he's by no means dominant.

Bigger kick is Oliver Vernon - still in the league, on a contender (Cleveland), making over 10M on the last year of his Giants' contract, and still not just going through the motions. (according to his stats, anyway)

I'm also one who pointed out drafting him would be a potential home run here before the draft got here back in 2011. He plays well at times, and disappears for long stretches too. He tends to have hot and cold seasons, as you pointed out.

There's reasons to love his NYG tenure, and reasons to say it was past time to let him go. It can be and is both, imv. I just don't have emotion watching him play, he's not the old flame to pine for.

The Giants would be a much better team this year, and next year, with JPP at ER.

That is my preference.

We keep saying how studly the TB DLine is. What about the Giants? Leonard Williams, Dexter Lawrence and Dalvin Tomlinson are no joke. JPP rushing from the edge with the interior push they are getting would've been fun to watch.

who got us to the playoffs in 2016. Even if he could make the case for each of them being more expensive then they were worth, cutting them without replacements left us as a bottomfeeder. A team that doesn't know how to win.

It can take a long time for a bottom feeder to return to winning. See Jet, Bill, Browns, Giants 1964-1981.

JPP is playing some good football, but he was already deemed not part of the solution here. Too inconsistent and immature. Time to move on.