also needs to stop running the narratives about players just having fun. All postseason, they'd show Arozarena in the dugout smiling and talk about how much fun he's having and what a great guy he is. They did the same to Big Papi and basically crafted an image that directly opposes a lot of people who have had direct contact with Ortiz.
also needs to stop running the narratives about players just having fun. All postseason, they'd show Arozarena in the dugout smiling and talk about how much fun he's having and what a great guy he is. They did the same to Big Papi and basically crafted an image that directly opposes a lot of people who have had direct contact with Ortiz.
Kind of like they did with A-Rod, Sheffield, etc. idiot
ARod was a lightning rod for criticism starting when he left the Mariners, and Gary Sheffield started getting hammered by the baseball media as a surly jerk when he was a 20 year old rookie in Milwaukee.
His contract was so far beyond what anyone else had gotten at the time, and then the Rangers weren't very good when he was there. Wasn't his fault, he won the MVP there, but the team stunk. It went into overdrive when he went to the Yankees. He always managed to make things worse for himself, too, which didn't help. I don't know that any superstar athlete was ever as obsessive about his public image while at the same time being as spectacularly inept at managing that image.
I don't know that any superstar athlete was ever as obsessive about his public image while at the same time being as spectacularly inept at managing that image.
And a lot of the press barrage was unfair in my opinion....but he had a unique talent for putting his foot in his mouth and making bad situations worse.
was a milestone in pro sports and the lack of success in Texas definitely hurt A-Rod's perception to a degree, but he was kind of just ignored by the media at the time since the Rangers didn't make much noise. The only time you'd really hear his name often was when the annual "Can the MVP be from a losing team?" debate popped up. Some used it to call A-Rod a loser, but overall the media didn't kill him. Once he went to the Yankees though, it was a completely different story. He became so hated.
also needs to stop running the narratives about players just having fun. All postseason, they'd show Arozarena in the dugout smiling and talk about how much fun he's having and what a great guy he is. They did the same to Big Papi and basically crafted an image that directly opposes a lot of people who have had direct contact with Ortiz.
Baseball is so gay with this shit to begin with. They’re just having fun out there like a bunch of kids! Go get em kid! Softest sport in existence. Vilma dropped this about Mayfield in Browns game and I wanted to barf. Keep that shit in baseball where it belongs
also needs to stop running the narratives about players just having fun. All postseason, they'd show Arozarena in the dugout smiling and talk about how much fun he's having and what a great guy he is. They did the same to Big Papi and basically crafted an image that directly opposes a lot of people who have had direct contact with Ortiz.
Baseball is so gay with this shit to begin with. They’re just having fun out there like a bunch of kids! Go get em kid! Softest sport in existence. Vilma dropped this about Mayfield in Browns game and I wanted to barf. Keep that shit in baseball where it belongs
Neither was ever presented as happy go lucky guys while here and Sheffield never had that image. To an extent, A-Rod changed the media/population perception after his career with his broadcast work.
FatMan - I still don't get the Ortiz phenomenon. This isn't a Red Sox/Yankees take. Pedro, for example, I get. He was always quirky and funny and self-deprecating and never suspected of any nefarious activity, as far as I know. He' loveable as a fan. But, Ortiz has had his run-ins with strange behavior, he had a failed test, he had the same level of suspicion, at least among fans, for continued PED use for years, and he was often surly as a player. So, how in the Hell does the media continue to pawn him off as a giant teddy bear?
It never gets mentioned that he changed his name. It never gets mentioned that he was under steroid suspicion. He really does get treated like a giant teddy bear, and I know a couple of people who used to have regular interactions with him who said he is a piece of shit.
But the Media has done this in the past. They treated Bonds like a brooding steroid whackjob but for a long period of time treated Sosa like he was a happy-go-lucky slugger enjoying his newfound power.
Fats and Matt M. I agree completely. Big Poopi was/is a slug
about Ortiz is how the Boston media recognizes it's a double standard and they are belligerently proud of it.
Ask any Red Sox beat writer or media *personality* and they will gleefully tell you they can't wait to vote for Ortiz for the HOF, but vehemently voted against Piazza (because of bacne) or Bagwell (for no documented reason) Bonds, Clemens, etc. (and will vote against Arod) but are a hard yes when Ortiz' name comes up on the ballot.
It never gets mentioned that he changed his name. It never gets mentioned that he was under steroid suspicion. He really does get treated like a giant teddy bear, and I know a couple of people who used to have regular interactions with him who said he is a piece of shit.
But the Media has done this in the past. They treated Bonds like a brooding steroid whackjob but for a long period of time treated Sosa like he was a happy-go-lucky slugger enjoying his newfound power.
It didn't help that Bonds seemed to be a jerk with the media. But, I think he gets a raw deal in all this. He was a HOF that almost seemed to start using to prove a point and I think he did, to an extent. For a lot of others, PEDs turned mediocre players (ahem Ortiz) into overnight sluggers. Even A-Rod, who at one point was assumed a natural who got caught up in the pros, should have his entire career in question at this point because there is speculation he was using as early as HS. But, not Bonds.
Did Ortiz ever get to the bottom of his positive test?
It never gets mentioned that he changed his name. It never gets mentioned that he was under steroid suspicion. He really does get treated like a giant teddy bear, and I know a couple of people who used to have regular interactions with him who said he is a piece of shit.
But the Media has done this in the past. They treated Bonds like a brooding steroid whackjob but for a long period of time treated Sosa like he was a happy-go-lucky slugger enjoying his newfound power.
Maybe big Papi was the actual target of that shooting but the guy was a bad shot.
RE: Did Ortiz ever get to the bottom of his positive test?
He's so full of shit. The part that irked me was he had to
make that announcement at Yankee Stadium, when they were
headed back to Boston the next day. I have called him
Big Poopy ever since.
said it would be good for the game if Ortiz is in the HoF, he's also gone on record saying his legacy shouldn't have the stigma of a failed test. I wonder how many others he's shilled for?? None that I can think of:
[quote]On October 2, 2016 at a press conference at Fenway Park, MLB Commissioner Rob Manfred said it was "entirely possible" Ortiz did not test positive during the MLB survey drug testing in 2003. The commissioner stated that the alleged failed test should not harm Ortiz's legacy, and that there were "legitimate scientific questions about whether or not those were truly positives". Manfred added "Those particular tests were inconclusive because "it was hard to distinguish between certain substances that were legal, available over the counter, and not banned under our program." He also said "Ortiz has never been a positive at any point under our program" since MLB began testing in 2004 and that it is unfair for Hall of Fame voters to consider "leaks, rumors, innuendo and non-confirmed positive test results" when assessing a player[/quote
On October 2, 2016 at a press conference at Fenway Park, MLB Commissioner Rob Manfred said it was "entirely possible" Ortiz did not test positive during the MLB survey drug testing in 2003. The commissioner stated that the alleged failed test should not harm Ortiz's legacy, and that there were "legitimate scientific questions about whether or not those were truly positives". Manfred added "Those particular tests were inconclusive because "it was hard to distinguish between certain substances that were legal, available over the counter, and not banned under our program." He also said "Ortiz has never been a positive at any point under our program" since MLB began testing in 2004 and that it is unfair for Hall of Fame voters to consider "leaks, rumors, innuendo and non-confirmed positive test results" when assessing a player
On October 2, 2016 at a press conference at Fenway Park, MLB Commissioner Rob Manfred said it was "entirely possible" Ortiz did not test positive during the MLB survey drug testing in 2003. The commissioner stated that the alleged failed test should not harm Ortiz's legacy, and that there were "legitimate scientific questions about whether or not those were truly positives". Manfred added "Those particular tests were inconclusive because "it was hard to distinguish between certain substances that were legal, available over the counter, and not banned under our program." He also said "Ortiz has never been a positive at any point under our program" since MLB began testing in 2004 and that it is unfair for Hall of Fame voters to consider "leaks, rumors, innuendo and non-confirmed positive test results" when assessing a player
FatMan - Thanks. I must have missed that one. If that's MLB's stance, then the same should be said about A-Rod, Clemens, and Bonds. Ortiz isn't half the player of any of them with or without roids.
and Bonds, as far as I know, never even failed a test.
So no, they should be in a tier above even Ortiz.
Exactly. Neither failed a test. Clemens, one could argue, had his career saved and extended by PEDs depending on the start of use. But, even if using, it was at a time of widespread use and he was head and shoulders above almost everyone. Bonds was the at worst, the 2nd best player in the game at the time that Ripken got all the attention for the Streak followed by McGwire and Sosa getting all the attention for their roid induced HR battle - one in which MLB and the media ignored PED use. In my opinion, Bonds' subsequent use (according to most accounts) was the best F-U. He definitely was jealous and vain to fuel the use, but he showed just how roids can elevate one's game. As I said, already the best or 2nd best in the game and well on his way to HOF with multiple MVPs and a decent shot at 600 HRs. He starts taking and elevates to an absolute ridiculous level...kind of the same way Ortiz went from his mediocre part-time alias in Minny to a perennial power hitter. But, he still couldn't play D and still wasn't anywhere near the player Bonds was.
"Tampa Bay Rays outfielder Randy Arozarena has been released from custody two days after he was arrested in Mexico.
Per ESPN's Victor Alvarez, Arozarena "was released from all charges when he reached an agreement with his former partner, who determined not to take legal action against the Rays player."
Alvarez noted Arozarena had a hearing scheduled for Thursday, but it wound up being suspended as a result of his agreement with his former partner. " link - ( New Window )
"Tampa Bay Rays outfielder Randy Arozarena has been released from custody two days after he was arrested in Mexico.
Per ESPN's Victor Alvarez, Arozarena "was released from all charges when he reached an agreement with his former partner, who determined not to take legal action against the Rays player."
Alvarez noted Arozarena had a hearing scheduled for Thursday, but it wound up being suspended as a result of his agreement with his former partner. " link - ( New Window )
I wonder how much this “agreement” cost him? Yet another athlete getting away with a crime because the victim suddenly decides not to “take legal action”. Pffft
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Kind of like they did with A-Rod, Sheffield, etc. idiot
I mean, you could have gone with Mel Hall if you wanted to name a Yankee.
A-Rod, the media definitely pushed him when he was younger, before they turned on him hard after he became a Yankee.
That sums A-Rod up pretty well.
Just a gentle giant.
Baseball is so gay with this shit to begin with. They’re just having fun out there like a bunch of kids! Go get em kid! Softest sport in existence. Vilma dropped this about Mayfield in Browns game and I wanted to barf. Keep that shit in baseball where it belongs
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also needs to stop running the narratives about players just having fun. All postseason, they'd show Arozarena in the dugout smiling and talk about how much fun he's having and what a great guy he is. They did the same to Big Papi and basically crafted an image that directly opposes a lot of people who have had direct contact with Ortiz.
Baseball is so gay with this shit to begin with. They’re just having fun out there like a bunch of kids! Go get em kid! Softest sport in existence. Vilma dropped this about Mayfield in Browns game and I wanted to barf. Keep that shit in baseball where it belongs
lulz
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I don’t think German was ever arrested and he lost a season. MLB takes assault seriously.
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if you have money. A few pesos will change hands and he'll be good to go by spring training. Nothing to see here.
I don’t think German was ever arrested and he lost a season. MLB takes assault seriously.
Arozarena should have just cheated. He'd be back in no-time.
FatMan - I still don't get the Ortiz phenomenon. This isn't a Red Sox/Yankees take. Pedro, for example, I get. He was always quirky and funny and self-deprecating and never suspected of any nefarious activity, as far as I know. He' loveable as a fan. But, Ortiz has had his run-ins with strange behavior, he had a failed test, he had the same level of suspicion, at least among fans, for continued PED use for years, and he was often surly as a player. So, how in the Hell does the media continue to pawn him off as a giant teddy bear?
It never gets mentioned that he changed his name. It never gets mentioned that he was under steroid suspicion. He really does get treated like a giant teddy bear, and I know a couple of people who used to have regular interactions with him who said he is a piece of shit.
But the Media has done this in the past. They treated Bonds like a brooding steroid whackjob but for a long period of time treated Sosa like he was a happy-go-lucky slugger enjoying his newfound power.
Ask any Red Sox beat writer or media *personality* and they will gleefully tell you they can't wait to vote for Ortiz for the HOF, but vehemently voted against Piazza (because of bacne) or Bagwell (for no documented reason) Bonds, Clemens, etc. (and will vote against Arod) but are a hard yes when Ortiz' name comes up on the ballot.
It never gets mentioned that he changed his name. It never gets mentioned that he was under steroid suspicion. He really does get treated like a giant teddy bear, and I know a couple of people who used to have regular interactions with him who said he is a piece of shit.
But the Media has done this in the past. They treated Bonds like a brooding steroid whackjob but for a long period of time treated Sosa like he was a happy-go-lucky slugger enjoying his newfound power.
He has it narrowed down to milk shakes.
It never gets mentioned that he changed his name. It never gets mentioned that he was under steroid suspicion. He really does get treated like a giant teddy bear, and I know a couple of people who used to have regular interactions with him who said he is a piece of shit.
But the Media has done this in the past. They treated Bonds like a brooding steroid whackjob but for a long period of time treated Sosa like he was a happy-go-lucky slugger enjoying his newfound power.
Maybe big Papi was the actual target of that shooting but the guy was a bad shot.
He's so full of shit. The part that irked me was he had to
make that announcement at Yankee Stadium, when they were
headed back to Boston the next day. I have called him
Big Poopy ever since.
[quote]On October 2, 2016 at a press conference at Fenway Park, MLB Commissioner Rob Manfred said it was "entirely possible" Ortiz did not test positive during the MLB survey drug testing in 2003. The commissioner stated that the alleged failed test should not harm Ortiz's legacy, and that there were "legitimate scientific questions about whether or not those were truly positives". Manfred added "Those particular tests were inconclusive because "it was hard to distinguish between certain substances that were legal, available over the counter, and not banned under our program." He also said "Ortiz has never been a positive at any point under our program" since MLB began testing in 2004 and that it is unfair for Hall of Fame voters to consider "leaks, rumors, innuendo and non-confirmed positive test results" when assessing a player[/quote
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On October 2, 2016 at a press conference at Fenway Park, MLB Commissioner Rob Manfred said it was "entirely possible" Ortiz did not test positive during the MLB survey drug testing in 2003. The commissioner stated that the alleged failed test should not harm Ortiz's legacy, and that there were "legitimate scientific questions about whether or not those were truly positives". Manfred added "Those particular tests were inconclusive because "it was hard to distinguish between certain substances that were legal, available over the counter, and not banned under our program." He also said "Ortiz has never been a positive at any point under our program" since MLB began testing in 2004 and that it is unfair for Hall of Fame voters to consider "leaks, rumors, innuendo and non-confirmed positive test results" when assessing a player
So no, they should be in a tier above even Ortiz.
So no, they should be in a tier above even Ortiz.
"Tampa Bay Rays outfielder Randy Arozarena has been released from custody two days after he was arrested in Mexico.
Per ESPN's Victor Alvarez, Arozarena "was released from all charges when he reached an agreement with his former partner, who determined not to take legal action against the Rays player."
Alvarez noted Arozarena had a hearing scheduled for Thursday, but it wound up being suspended as a result of his agreement with his former partner. "
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"Tampa Bay Rays outfielder Randy Arozarena has been released from custody two days after he was arrested in Mexico.
Per ESPN's Victor Alvarez, Arozarena "was released from all charges when he reached an agreement with his former partner, who determined not to take legal action against the Rays player."
Alvarez noted Arozarena had a hearing scheduled for Thursday, but it wound up being suspended as a result of his agreement with his former partner. " link - ( New Window )
I wonder how much this “agreement” cost him? Yet another athlete getting away with a crime because the victim suddenly decides not to “take legal action”. Pffft