I assume you mean Charles, as Rod is also on the list.
I agree CJ, Peyton, and Charles Woodson should be locks. Willis and Boselli are interesting ones because their careers were so short. Wayne will be interesting, as he is top 10 in receptions and yards.
Tasker would be if you go by "special teamer" as a position. I don't know how I feel about that though. Doesn't have the overall impact on the game as a lot of players who would never make the HOF.
Peyton Manning: Duh
Charles Woodson: One of the best DBs ever
Alan Faneca: Should've made it last year
Peyton and Woodson are locks, it would be shocking if Faneca got screwed again.
Calvin Johnson
Patrick Willis
These two were clearly HOF worthy players who lack longevity. I was a fan of both Torry Holt and Reggie Wayne but Calvin Johnson was simply the better football player, and retiring early doesn't change that. He deserves to jump to the top of the line at WR (ahead of Holt, Wayne, Ward)
Patrick Willis vs. Zach Thomas is a lot tougher. Thomas was closer to Willis than Holt/Wayne were to Calvin, and he had excellent longevity while being a stud in his prime. Willis was the better LBer in his prime, but it's close enough where I give Thomas the edge for overall career.
Peyton/Woodson/Faneca/Johnson and maybe Thomas/Willis with the edge to Thomas.
is one of the most underrated players of the last 20 years. He was a 3-4 DE/4-3 DT who didn't up big sack numbers so he kind of went overlooked. But he was a beast for the Patriots during their initial Dynasty run and then people just forgot about him when he played for the Raiders, even though he was still good.
I think Jared Allen eventually deserves to make it also, despite being the total opposite type of player to Seymour. Wasn't the best vs. the run, but I don't remember him being awful at it and he was a fearsome pass rusher. But I'd put Seymour in before Allen.
Peyton, C.Woodson, and Faneca are no-brainers for me.
It's time for Holt.
And I don't care if he only played three seasons, Tony Boselli is one of the greatest offensive lineman I have ever seen. So enough of this squabbling about his longevity. Put him in.
Although he's no longer on the list, it's embarrassing that Sterling Sharpe didn't get in. He was one of the greatest WRs ever who ever lived. Unfortunately, a neck injury cut his career short. But his work was absolutely brilliant.
Peyton Manning: Duh
Charles Woodson: One of the best DBs ever
Alan Faneca: Should've made it last year
Peyton and Woodson are locks, it would be shocking if Faneca got screwed again.
Calvin Johnson
Patrick Willis
These two were clearly HOF worthy players who lack longevity. I was a fan of both Torry Holt and Reggie Wayne but Calvin Johnson was simply the better football player, and retiring early doesn't change that. He deserves to jump to the top of the line at WR (ahead of Holt, Wayne, Ward)
Patrick Willis vs. Zach Thomas is a lot tougher. Thomas was closer to Willis than Holt/Wayne were to Calvin, and he had excellent longevity while being a stud in his prime. Willis was the better LBer in his prime, but it's close enough where I give Thomas the edge for overall career.
Peyton/Woodson/Faneca/Johnson and maybe Thomas/Willis with the edge to Thomas.
I assume you mean Charles, as Rod is also on the list.
I agree CJ, Peyton, and Charles Woodson should be locks. Willis and Boselli are interesting ones because their careers were so short. Wayne will be interesting, as he is top 10 in receptions and yards.
Tasker would be if you go by "special teamer" as a position. I don't know how I feel about that though. Doesn't have the overall impact on the game as a lot of players who would never make the HOF.
Peyton, C.Woodson, and Faneca are no-brainers for me.
It's time for Holt.
And I don't care if he only played three seasons, Tony Boselli is one of the greatest offensive lineman I have ever seen. So enough of this squabbling about his longevity. Put him in.
Although he's no longer on the list, it's embarrassing that Sterling Sharpe didn't get in. He was one of the greatest WRs ever who ever lived. Unfortunately, a neck injury cut his career short. But his work was absolutely brilliant.
+1
Every player on that list has a shot and deservedly so. CJ quit, but whatever he was that good.
Bavaro when he’s brought up for not playing longer. Fully healthy how many two way tight ends You want before his name would be your pick. Blocking isn’t important for a TE say the fantasy generation.
Longevity can be part of the discussion but when it’s used to rule out a guy who was truly special it’s just weak IMO.
But I just want to say that Tory Holt tends to be a pretty underrated player who is well-deserving of making it. He was overshadowed by Faulk and the totality of what was going on with that offense, but he was excellent.
Bavaro when he’s brought up for not playing longer. Fully healthy how many two way tight ends You want before his name would be your pick. Blocking isn’t important for a TE say the fantasy generation.
Longevity can be part of the discussion but when it’s used to rule out a guy who was truly special it’s just weak IMO.
Couldn’t agree more, my friend. For 5 years, he was the best two-way TE I ever saw. As with Sayers (deservedly made it), not his fault that injury cut short a brilliant career
Do you think Peyton Manning will thank Adam Gase for
I assume you mean Charles, as Rod is also on the list.
I agree CJ, Peyton, and Charles Woodson should be locks. Willis and Boselli are interesting ones because their careers were so short. Wayne will be interesting, as he is top 10 in receptions and yards.
Tasker would be if you go by "special teamer" as a position. I don't know how I feel about that though. Doesn't have the overall impact on the game as a lot of players who would never make the HOF.
Think you mean Darren. Rod is already in the HOF
Correct. I meant Darren
It's not going to get easier at WR in the coming years.
8) Zach Thomas, linebacker (Miami Dolphins, 1996-2007; Dallas Cowboys, 2008): Looking at some of the inside linebackers currently in the Hall of Fame, like Derrick Brooks, Ray Lewis and Brian Urlacher, Thomas might be the worst band on the concert bill. But still, he was a five-time first-team All-Pro. And that makes him pretty deserving.
Patrick Willis is 4th:
Quote:
4) Patrick Willis, linebacker (San Francisco 49ers, 2007-2014): Oh yeah, I forgot we still had to do this. Willis was one of the best players of his era. He was the Defensive Rookie of the Year after being a first-round pick in 2007. Dude was selected first-team All-Pro five times. FIVE TIMES. There are a lot of guys on this list who made just a couple of All-Pro teams. The guy did it five times. Get over the relative brevity of his career and just recognize him as a Hall of Famer. Don't make me do this again next year.
8) Zach Thomas, linebacker (Miami Dolphins, 1996-2007; Dallas Cowboys, 2008): Looking at some of the inside linebackers currently in the Hall of Fame, like Derrick Brooks, Ray Lewis and Brian Urlacher, Thomas might be the worst band on the concert bill. But still, he was a five-time first-team All-Pro. And that makes him pretty deserving.
Patrick Willis is 4th:
Quote:
4) Patrick Willis, linebacker (San Francisco 49ers, 2007-2014): Oh yeah, I forgot we still had to do this. Willis was one of the best players of his era. He was the Defensive Rookie of the Year after being a first-round pick in 2007. Dude was selected first-team All-Pro five times. FIVE TIMES. There are a lot of guys on this list who made just a couple of All-Pro teams. The guy did it five times. Get over the relative brevity of his career and just recognize him as a Hall of Famer. Don't make me do this again next year.
lol Link - ( New Window )
So hypocritical lol. I get the logic, Willis was considered the best ILB in the sport when he played whereas Thomas was overshadowed by Urlacher and Lewis. I think Willis was definitely better than Thomas if we're talking peak ability, but Thomas was just a good player for much longer and also has the HOF caliber prime (5 1st team All-Pros as mentioned) so it's a real argument between the two in terms of who's more HOF worthy imo. I think both should get in but I don't think Willis should jump in front of Thomas the way Megatron will jump in front of Holt/Wayne.
I agree CJ, Peyton, and Charles Woodson should be locks. Willis and Boselli are interesting ones because their careers were so short. Wayne will be interesting, as he is top 10 in receptions and yards.
Tasker would be if you go by "special teamer" as a position. I don't know how I feel about that though. Doesn't have the overall impact on the game as a lot of players who would never make the HOF.
Charles Woodson: One of the best DBs ever
Alan Faneca: Should've made it last year
Peyton and Woodson are locks, it would be shocking if Faneca got screwed again.
Calvin Johnson
Patrick Willis
These two were clearly HOF worthy players who lack longevity. I was a fan of both Torry Holt and Reggie Wayne but Calvin Johnson was simply the better football player, and retiring early doesn't change that. He deserves to jump to the top of the line at WR (ahead of Holt, Wayne, Ward)
Patrick Willis vs. Zach Thomas is a lot tougher. Thomas was closer to Willis than Holt/Wayne were to Calvin, and he had excellent longevity while being a stud in his prime. Willis was the better LBer in his prime, but it's close enough where I give Thomas the edge for overall career.
Peyton/Woodson/Faneca/Johnson and maybe Thomas/Willis with the edge to Thomas.
I didn't see him, but yes if eligible.
I think Jared Allen eventually deserves to make it also, despite being the total opposite type of player to Seymour. Wasn't the best vs. the run, but I don't remember him being awful at it and he was a fearsome pass rusher. But I'd put Seymour in before Allen.
Peyton, C.Woodson, and Faneca are no-brainers for me.
It's time for Holt.
And I don't care if he only played three seasons, Tony Boselli is one of the greatest offensive lineman I have ever seen. So enough of this squabbling about his longevity. Put him in.
Although he's no longer on the list, it's embarrassing that Sterling Sharpe didn't get in. He was one of the greatest WRs ever who ever lived. Unfortunately, a neck injury cut his career short. But his work was absolutely brilliant.
Charles Woodson: One of the best DBs ever
Alan Faneca: Should've made it last year
Peyton and Woodson are locks, it would be shocking if Faneca got screwed again.
Calvin Johnson
Patrick Willis
These two were clearly HOF worthy players who lack longevity. I was a fan of both Torry Holt and Reggie Wayne but Calvin Johnson was simply the better football player, and retiring early doesn't change that. He deserves to jump to the top of the line at WR (ahead of Holt, Wayne, Ward)
Patrick Willis vs. Zach Thomas is a lot tougher. Thomas was closer to Willis than Holt/Wayne were to Calvin, and he had excellent longevity while being a stud in his prime. Willis was the better LBer in his prime, but it's close enough where I give Thomas the edge for overall career.
Peyton/Woodson/Faneca/Johnson and maybe Thomas/Willis with the edge to Thomas.
Longevity didn't stop Gale Sayers.
I agree CJ, Peyton, and Charles Woodson should be locks. Willis and Boselli are interesting ones because their careers were so short. Wayne will be interesting, as he is top 10 in receptions and yards.
Tasker would be if you go by "special teamer" as a position. I don't know how I feel about that though. Doesn't have the overall impact on the game as a lot of players who would never make the HOF.
Think you mean Darren. Rod is already in the HOF
Peyton, C.Woodson, and Faneca are no-brainers for me.
It's time for Holt.
And I don't care if he only played three seasons, Tony Boselli is one of the greatest offensive lineman I have ever seen. So enough of this squabbling about his longevity. Put him in.
Although he's no longer on the list, it's embarrassing that Sterling Sharpe didn't get in. He was one of the greatest WRs ever who ever lived. Unfortunately, a neck injury cut his career short. But his work was absolutely brilliant.
+1
Every player on that list has a shot and deservedly so. CJ quit, but whatever he was that good.
Wayne was very good, but I'm holding Peyton against him more than others. And at one point, he has Marvin on the other side.
So to me, he was never THE best WR in the game, or really in that discussion..
Actually it looks like Darren Woodson is the other Woodson.
Isn't Rod Woodson already in the HOF? He should be.
But Charles Woodson is one of the best defensive players of all time. Sure fire HOF.
Lot's of amazing, deserving names on that list also.
Seriously though, Alan Faneca deserves it. There's no way he shouldn't be in the hall.
He was the NFL for nearly 2 decades...
Longevity can be part of the discussion but when it’s used to rule out a guy who was truly special it’s just weak IMO.
Longevity can be part of the discussion but when it’s used to rule out a guy who was truly special it’s just weak IMO.
Couldn’t agree more, my friend. For 5 years, he was the best two-way TE I ever saw. As with Sayers (deservedly made it), not his fault that injury cut short a brilliant career
Quote:
I assume you mean Charles, as Rod is also on the list.
I agree CJ, Peyton, and Charles Woodson should be locks. Willis and Boselli are interesting ones because their careers were so short. Wayne will be interesting, as he is top 10 in receptions and yards.
Tasker would be if you go by "special teamer" as a position. I don't know how I feel about that though. Doesn't have the overall impact on the game as a lot of players who would never make the HOF.
Think you mean Darren. Rod is already in the HOF
Correct. I meant Darren
I'll say Darren Woodson was a damn fine player, but is he better than say a Kenny Easley? Don't think so.
I'll say Darren Woodson was a damn fine player, but is he better than say a Kenny Easley? Don't think so.
Wait, I thought Easley finally made it? If not, egregious!
Patrick Willis is 4th:
lol
Link - ( New Window )
Quote:
8) Zach Thomas, linebacker (Miami Dolphins, 1996-2007; Dallas Cowboys, 2008): Looking at some of the inside linebackers currently in the Hall of Fame, like Derrick Brooks, Ray Lewis and Brian Urlacher, Thomas might be the worst band on the concert bill. But still, he was a five-time first-team All-Pro. And that makes him pretty deserving.
Patrick Willis is 4th:
Quote:
4) Patrick Willis, linebacker (San Francisco 49ers, 2007-2014): Oh yeah, I forgot we still had to do this. Willis was one of the best players of his era. He was the Defensive Rookie of the Year after being a first-round pick in 2007. Dude was selected first-team All-Pro five times. FIVE TIMES. There are a lot of guys on this list who made just a couple of All-Pro teams. The guy did it five times. Get over the relative brevity of his career and just recognize him as a Hall of Famer. Don't make me do this again next year.
lol Link - ( New Window )
So hypocritical lol. I get the logic, Willis was considered the best ILB in the sport when he played whereas Thomas was overshadowed by Urlacher and Lewis. I think Willis was definitely better than Thomas if we're talking peak ability, but Thomas was just a good player for much longer and also has the HOF caliber prime (5 1st team All-Pros as mentioned) so it's a real argument between the two in terms of who's more HOF worthy imo. I think both should get in but I don't think Willis should jump in front of Thomas the way Megatron will jump in front of Holt/Wayne.