I could see returning to school and hoping for a better chance in 2022. While a number of teams need QB's, currently it looks like only a max of 3-4 in the Top 10 would I put it as the most pressing need. After that it gets a bit murky because teams might decide that it is better to wait until Round 2 a la Raiders with David Carr and what the Bengals did with Andy Dalton if the top tier are off the board.
On a list of needs, WR, while still a great need, is behind edge rusher and #2 CB. Plus, I’ve read that this years class of WR is better than last years and last years was the best in a long time. If the Giants go WR with the 1st pick, it better be Jerry Rice good.
On a list of needs, WR, while still a great need, is behind edge rusher and #2 CB. Plus, I’ve read that this years class of WR is better than last years and last years was the best in a long time. If the Giants go WR with the 1st pick, it better be Jerry Rice good.
Agreed. They can get a good WR in the 2nd or 3rd. 1st round likely to be an impact defender imo
Or god forbid. Trade down a couple spots to a team that needs a qb
Depends where we finish. We very well could be picking in the mid teens
Still should get a quality player. I am good with bunching wr, not necessarily in rd one along with cb and ER
We know dg never trades downs but he gets this fricking conviction on guys that 99% chance would be there a couple of picks later. Andrew Thomas. Might turn out real well but I am pretty sure we are getting quality OT if we traded down a few picks and got an extra 3 even.
You can't really depend upon a rookie DB and they are the most available. They also can be scheme dependent. Pass rushers and #1 receivers (unless they are difficult to manage) tend not to hit the open market.
If this is accurate, we should be getting a top player in their position group.
And get multiple 1st rounders. Likely several top 10 level non qbs will fall into 16-32.
Comes at the right time in our program development too.
Could mean trading down a high pick, or trading future picks to get up into the 1st round for more.
I'm sorry. I am just not a believer in this QB class
Trevor Lawrence and Justin Fields maybe, but the rest just don't do it for me. I do have to start looking at the DEs and OLBs besides Parsons on that list, and I am not a Rousseau believer. Parsons makes him look silly.
RE: I'm sorry. I am just not a believer in this QB class
Trevor Lawrence and Justin Fields maybe, but the rest just don't do it for me. I do have to start looking at the DEs and OLBs besides Parsons on that list, and I am not a Rousseau believer. Parsons makes him look silly.
I’m pretty impressed with this QB class as a whole from the top end guys and depth perspective. Still depends on who declares at eod, but for my money best I can remember in my lifetime. Was never sold on 2018 because I didn’t really like Darnold and Lamar and hated Rosen.
I don't see this Giants regime taking a WR in the first round.
I think they're going defense unless they are giving up on Jones.
I think they'll emulate the Steelers model. Pittsburgh hasn't drafted a "skill position" player since 2008, and during that time the only offensive players they've taken in the first round have been Pouncey at C and DeCastro at G.
Wouldn't be surprised to see WR and TE after the first round, though.
I think they're going defense unless they are giving up on Jones.
I think they'll emulate the Steelers model. Pittsburgh hasn't drafted a "skill position" player since 2008, and during that time the only offensive players they've taken in the first round have been Pouncey at C and DeCastro at G.
Wouldn't be surprised to see WR and TE after the first round, though.
That works when you have hit on your later round skill guys and have a QB like Roethlisberger. Neither are true for the Giants yet.
I could see returning to school and hoping for a better chance in 2022. While a number of teams need QB's, currently it looks like only a max of 3-4 in the Top 10 would I put it as the most pressing need. After that it gets a bit murky because teams might decide that it is better to wait until Round 2 a la Raiders with David Carr and what the Bengals did with Andy Dalton if the top tier are off the board.
idk. COVID throws everything in the air. Who knows what the next college season will look like. I wouldn’t risk it personally. If I’m told I’m getting 1st round grades I’m going into the draft and making my money.
Don't see that, but he's having a great year for sure.
Olave should be a higher rated WR. And Bateman just opted back out of Minnesota.
And I think Patrick Jones will sneak into the first round. A very interesting, productive DE.
Jones is gonna be a 1st rounder. I’ll even say a top 15 pick. In a class lacking Edge rushers, he’s got the production, size, athleticism, and coaching that will make him attractive to a lot of teams.
RE: RE: I don't see this Giants regime taking a WR in the first round.
I think they're going defense unless they are giving up on Jones.
I think they'll emulate the Steelers model. Pittsburgh hasn't drafted a "skill position" player since 2008, and during that time the only offensive players they've taken in the first round have been Pouncey at C and DeCastro at G.
Wouldn't be surprised to see WR and TE after the first round, though.
That works when you have hit on your later round skill guys and have a QB like Roethlisberger. Neither are true for the Giants yet.
Roethlusburger is just along for the ride these days. Middle of the pack QB. The offensive line and overall depth of the skill players are making that O go now. Chase Claypool is an absolute freak on top of that.
Im low key wanting Giants to tank rest of the season
Would love a top 10 pick to draft a blue chip player 1st round and a starter second. Patrick Surtain, Micah or even Rossoueau.
Not sure how people can think Giants can resign DT, Leo, Logan Ryan and still be able to get 2 top tier from FA...that will litterly require 2016 salary cap money of 80k+...not going to happen.
Giants best chance to get our next #1pass rusher plus a solid WR is within the first 2 rounds of the draft.
I’d be a big fan of Pitts. We need a red zone threat desperately and it makes us an extremely difficult offense to defend. Honestly don’t know how teams will stop us in red zone with DJs accuracy and the big window he’ll give you down there. With Saquon back it will be pick your poison with playing man vs zone. It’s the one situation I’d support resigning Engram as well. I also believe he has the potential to be a competent blocker unlike Engram. You already see improvements in his game there this year. Could live with Wade there as well.
RE: Just based on that board, if we make playoffs, they should go Pitts
I’d be a big fan of Pitts. We need a red zone threat desperately and it makes us an extremely difficult offense to defend. Honestly don’t know how teams will stop us in red zone with DJs accuracy and the big window he’ll give you down there. With Saquon back it will be pick your poison with playing man vs zone. It’s the one situation I’d support resigning Engram as well. I also believe he has the potential to be a competent blocker unlike Engram. You already see improvements in his game there this year. Could live with Wade there as well.
I am a Pitts fan as well, but if we make the playoffs, he will be long gone by the 20s. I refuse to not root for the playoffs. It would be bitter sweet consolation to be piking in the low-mid teens.
RE: RE: I don't see this Giants regime taking a WR in the first round.
I think they're going defense unless they are giving up on Jones.
I think they'll emulate the Steelers model. Pittsburgh hasn't drafted a "skill position" player since 2008, and during that time the only offensive players they've taken in the first round have been Pouncey at C and DeCastro at G.
Wouldn't be surprised to see WR and TE after the first round, though.
That works when you have hit on your later round skill guys and have a QB like Roethlisberger. Neither are true for the Giants yet.
What an absolutely inverted response!
You dp realize, it's not YOUR opinion that matters?
I imagine the Giants may very likely think they have a Roethlisberger in training in Jones, and consider their last late round WR selection, Darius Slayton, a huge hit.
Personally I think Dane is onto something. I don't see the Giants plucking a WR until ay least round 2 myself. Much more likely they will grab a CB or edge early.
My wild card position is TE. If DG "falls in love" with a top TE, thats more a need than WR.
RE: RE: RE: I don't see this Giants regime taking a WR in the first round.
Judge with the NE ties and clearly trying to emulate their program and Patrick Graham being the DC, I believe it will almost be a certainty that CB will be the target in the first round. Surtain and Farley could likely be available depending on when they pick and I can absolutely see one of them being the pick. The Pats have always valued the secondary more than most and Graham has not been able to run his defense for the most part because of the dregs we have in the secondary. Graham is a big man to man guy that has had to run more zone because the pieces aren’t in place to run man to man. It’s just connecting the dots
that with so many going in the early in this past draft (6 in the 1st round, 7 in the 2nd), we could see some talented guys pushed down in 2021, as teams attack other needs. Maybe wishful thinking though.
The good about the Giants roster playing so much better
Let's see where it shakes out with the team's finish and what teams decide they need QBs.
Parsons and Surtain seem to be the names that jump off the board but wouldn't rule out WR if they feel Smith or Waddle are CeeDee Lamb / Jeudy-type talents.
Realistically, if we lost the last game to DAL and missed the playoffs
the earliest we would pick is in the 10-15 range. Pitts would probably be available, no way Parson, Rousseau, or Surtain are there. It would have to be the incredible run on QBs if any of these made it past 10.
If we make the playoffs, then we pick in the mid 20s and we are talking about a new tier of players. A WR would be in play here.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I don't see this Giants regime taking a WR in the first round.
My wild card position is TE. If DG "falls in love" with a top TE, thats more a need than WR.
TE is more important then a WR? Yeah, I do not think so, not high in the draft.
ER, CB, ILB, WR
Everyone has an opinion, and neither yours nor mine matters, only the Giants' opinion counts.
I'd be happy to hear your resons why a WR will be a high priority for the Giants this draft, but in the meanwhile here's the basis to my opinion:
1) Jason Garrett (historically) and JJ (coming from NE) value TEs highly and look to make them integral pieces of their O. JJ wants to play bully ball, he's repeated that goal over and over. WRs don't help you "punch your opponent in the mouth" quite like TEs do.
2) Desite all evidence that he's unreliable as both a blocker and a pass receiver, they picked up Engram's 5th year option. Is it the player, or the position he plays that is worth his option year? Evidence points more to the position.
3) Many speculate that Kaden Smith could be a decent #1 in line TE. Has he showed that yet, really? If I werent lazy I'd look up his snap counts, but not even sure that would prove much. He may be simply the best option of a bad group after EE.
What you got for an upgraded WR room being crucial to this team and their head coach's and OC's strategy going forward?
RE: RE: RE: RE: I don't see this Giants regime taking a WR in the first round.
My wild card position is TE. If DG "falls in love" with a top TE, thats more a need than WR.
TE is more important then a WR? Yeah, I do not think so, not high in the draft.
ER, CB, ILB, WR
Not to mention right now this team has zero healthy RBs under contract for 2021. That's going to be a need at some point in this draft, quite likely rounds 2-4. Unless the resign Gallman or Freeman, at LEAST!
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I don't see this Giants regime taking a WR in the first round.
Everyone has an opinion, and neither yours nor mine matters, only the Giants' opinion counts.
I'd be happy to hear your resons why a WR will be a high priority for the Giants this draft, but in the meanwhile here's the basis to my opinion:
1) Jason Garrett (historically) and JJ (coming from NE) value TEs highly and look to make them integral pieces of their O. JJ wants to play bully ball, he's repeated that goal over and over. WRs don't help you "punch your opponent in the mouth" quite like TEs do.
2) Desite all evidence that he's unreliable as both a blocker and a pass receiver, they picked up Engram's 5th year option. Is it the player, or the position he plays that is worth his option year? Evidence points more to the position.
3) Many speculate that Kaden Smith could be a decent #1 in line TE. Has he showed that yet, really? If I werent lazy I'd look up his snap counts, but not even sure that would prove much. He may be simply the best option of a bad group after EE.
What you got for an upgraded WR room being crucial to this team and their head coach's and OC's strategy going forward?
Reason a TE will not be high?
You stated they like Engram, so he is the starter. They are not wasting a high pick for another TE. They may draft one later and there are plenty of TEs.
Why WR?
Tate is likely gone. Shepard is constantly injured and a slot WR. Only other real WR is Slayton. Mack maybe ok, but as a #4. So the only fast guy is Slayton.
I suspect ER, CB and ILB with speed ar the top 3 needs.
But you are right, opinions are like asses, we all have one.
Seniors who played this season. No juniors unless there is a good reason why they want to skip senior season.
No opt-outs except for special circumstances. They need to be Team First players. Again, they need to be playing this season.
Avoid the “divas” in the first round like when choosing between 2 equally rated players like a WR vs LB. If you are looking at a “diva position” in the first round, screen out the divas.
I said they felt the need to pick up his option before this year started, when they had to make the decision.
Will they continue to feel good and confident about him after they review this year's tape?
You make a good argument re how shallow the WR room is right now, and the liklihood of Tate being released before 2021. But you left out Pettis altogether and categorized Mack as a #4, when he is already seeing #3 reps as a rookie.
Mack is not getting a ton of reps or targets, so that says something, but we really don't know what they envision as Mack's future.
Some people were higher on him in last year's draft than the UDFA status he fell to. Too many problems staying on the field for ND, I think.
RE: For first round picks, my criteria would favor
Seniors who played this season. No juniors unless there is a good reason why they want to skip senior season.
No opt-outs except for special circumstances. They need to be Team First players. Again, they need to be playing this season.
Avoid the “divas” in the first round like when choosing between 2 equally rated players like a WR vs LB. If you are looking at a “diva position” in the first round, screen out the divas.
Avoid the wannabe thugs.
Sorry, but there are way too many Blue and Red Chip players who opted out to ignore them, that's crazy talk.
You'd pass up Parsons or Chase at favorable slot because they opted out? No one would do that.
I see Xavier Thomas is ranked #81. coming into the season I saw him as high as 15 on some boards. someone will get a steal if he lasts into the third round.
RE: Not sure why Tight End is a waste of a high pick
nor how wide receiver isn't a pretty desperate need.
I'm very curious to see how Pitts returns to action after the vicious and outrageous hit he took in the Georgia game from Lewis Cine. He sustained a concussion and needed nasal surgery.
I wouldn't be surprised if he's not the same player at first. I don't know how you get over something like that...
nor how wide receiver isn't a pretty desperate need.
I'm very curious to see how Pitts returns to action after the vicious and outrageous hit he took in the Georgia game from Lewis Cine. He sustained a concussion and needed nasal surgery.
I wouldn't be surprised if he's not the same player at first. I don't know how you get over something like that...
Vicious hit indeed. Hopefully he gets right back on that horse.
Dominating player in the passing game, and can high-point a TD catch over a CB or Safety like nobody's business.
I said they felt the need to pick up his option before this year started, when they had to make the decision.
Will they continue to feel good and confident about him after they review this year's tape?
You make a good argument re how shallow the WR room is right now, and the liklihood of Tate being released before 2021. But you left out Pettis altogether and categorized Mack as a #4, when he is already seeing #3 reps as a rookie.
Mack is not getting a ton of reps or targets, so that says something, but we really don't know what they envision as Mack's future.
Some people were higher on him in last year's draft than the UDFA status he fell to. Too many problems staying on the field for ND, I think.
Slayton, Shepard, Tate 1,2,3 - Mack is #4. Pettis? He has not taken a snap and got the 'rona before he saw the field. Doubt somebody's cast off develops into a #1.
Engram continues to be a focus of the offense - as per Judge and Garrett.
While I agree a two way TE would be nice, they can survive with Engram and Smith. Especially if they get Engram on seam routes.
Kittle was a 5th. There are gems out there.
Agreed. They can get a good WR in the 2nd or 3rd. 1st round likely to be an impact defender imo
Depends where we finish. We very well could be picking in the mid teens
Still should get a quality player. I am good with bunching wr, not necessarily in rd one along with cb and ER
We know dg never trades downs but he gets this fricking conviction on guys that 99% chance would be there a couple of picks later. Andrew Thomas. Might turn out real well but I am pretty sure we are getting quality OT if we traded down a few picks and got an extra 3 even.
If this is accurate, we should be getting a top player in their position group.
Comes at the right time in our program development too.
Could mean trading down a high pick, or trading future picks to get up into the 1st round for more.
I’m pretty impressed with this QB class as a whole from the top end guys and depth perspective. Still depends on who declares at eod, but for my money best I can remember in my lifetime. Was never sold on 2018 because I didn’t really like Darnold and Lamar and hated Rosen.
I think they'll emulate the Steelers model. Pittsburgh hasn't drafted a "skill position" player since 2008, and during that time the only offensive players they've taken in the first round have been Pouncey at C and DeCastro at G.
Wouldn't be surprised to see WR and TE after the first round, though.
Olave should be a higher rated WR. And Bateman just opted back out of Minnesota.
And I think Patrick Jones will sneak into the first round. A very interesting, productive DE.
I think they'll emulate the Steelers model. Pittsburgh hasn't drafted a "skill position" player since 2008, and during that time the only offensive players they've taken in the first round have been Pouncey at C and DeCastro at G.
Wouldn't be surprised to see WR and TE after the first round, though.
That works when you have hit on your later round skill guys and have a QB like Roethlisberger. Neither are true for the Giants yet.
Olave should be a higher rated WR. And Bateman just opted back out of Minnesota.
And I think Patrick Jones will sneak into the first round. A very interesting, productive DE.
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I think they're going defense unless they are giving up on Jones.
I think they'll emulate the Steelers model. Pittsburgh hasn't drafted a "skill position" player since 2008, and during that time the only offensive players they've taken in the first round have been Pouncey at C and DeCastro at G.
Wouldn't be surprised to see WR and TE after the first round, though.
That works when you have hit on your later round skill guys and have a QB like Roethlisberger. Neither are true for the Giants yet.
Roethlusburger is just along for the ride these days. Middle of the pack QB. The offensive line and overall depth of the skill players are making that O go now. Chase Claypool is an absolute freak on top of that.
Not sure how people can think Giants can resign DT, Leo, Logan Ryan and still be able to get 2 top tier from FA...that will litterly require 2016 salary cap money of 80k+...not going to happen.
Giants best chance to get our next #1pass rusher plus a solid WR is within the first 2 rounds of the draft.
I am a Pitts fan as well, but if we make the playoffs, he will be long gone by the 20s. I refuse to not root for the playoffs. It would be bitter sweet consolation to be piking in the low-mid teens.
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I think they're going defense unless they are giving up on Jones.
I think they'll emulate the Steelers model. Pittsburgh hasn't drafted a "skill position" player since 2008, and during that time the only offensive players they've taken in the first round have been Pouncey at C and DeCastro at G.
Wouldn't be surprised to see WR and TE after the first round, though.
That works when you have hit on your later round skill guys and have a QB like Roethlisberger. Neither are true for the Giants yet.
What an absolutely inverted response!
You dp realize, it's not YOUR opinion that matters?
I imagine the Giants may very likely think they have a Roethlisberger in training in Jones, and consider their last late round WR selection, Darius Slayton, a huge hit.
Personally I think Dane is onto something. I don't see the Giants plucking a WR until ay least round 2 myself. Much more likely they will grab a CB or edge early.
My wild card position is TE. If DG "falls in love" with a top TE, thats more a need than WR.
My wild card position is TE. If DG "falls in love" with a top TE, thats more a need than WR.
TE is more important then a WR? Yeah, I do not think so, not high in the draft.
ER, CB, ILB, WR
- Edge rusher
- Wide receiver
- Cornerback
- Outside LB
- Inside LB
- Offensive Tackle
- Tight End
- Running Back
I like Kyle Pitts the big tall TE out of Florida. And looks like he will go right abut when the Giants will pick :-)
Parsons and Surtain seem to be the names that jump off the board but wouldn't rule out WR if they feel Smith or Waddle are CeeDee Lamb / Jeudy-type talents.
If we make the playoffs, then we pick in the mid 20s and we are talking about a new tier of players. A WR would be in play here.
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My wild card position is TE. If DG "falls in love" with a top TE, thats more a need than WR.
TE is more important then a WR? Yeah, I do not think so, not high in the draft.
ER, CB, ILB, WR
Everyone has an opinion, and neither yours nor mine matters, only the Giants' opinion counts.
I'd be happy to hear your resons why a WR will be a high priority for the Giants this draft, but in the meanwhile here's the basis to my opinion:
1) Jason Garrett (historically) and JJ (coming from NE) value TEs highly and look to make them integral pieces of their O. JJ wants to play bully ball, he's repeated that goal over and over. WRs don't help you "punch your opponent in the mouth" quite like TEs do.
2) Desite all evidence that he's unreliable as both a blocker and a pass receiver, they picked up Engram's 5th year option. Is it the player, or the position he plays that is worth his option year? Evidence points more to the position.
3) Many speculate that Kaden Smith could be a decent #1 in line TE. Has he showed that yet, really? If I werent lazy I'd look up his snap counts, but not even sure that would prove much. He may be simply the best option of a bad group after EE.
What you got for an upgraded WR room being crucial to this team and their head coach's and OC's strategy going forward?
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My wild card position is TE. If DG "falls in love" with a top TE, thats more a need than WR.
TE is more important then a WR? Yeah, I do not think so, not high in the draft.
ER, CB, ILB, WR
Not to mention right now this team has zero healthy RBs under contract for 2021. That's going to be a need at some point in this draft, quite likely rounds 2-4. Unless the resign Gallman or Freeman, at LEAST!
Everyone has an opinion, and neither yours nor mine matters, only the Giants' opinion counts.
I'd be happy to hear your resons why a WR will be a high priority for the Giants this draft, but in the meanwhile here's the basis to my opinion:
1) Jason Garrett (historically) and JJ (coming from NE) value TEs highly and look to make them integral pieces of their O. JJ wants to play bully ball, he's repeated that goal over and over. WRs don't help you "punch your opponent in the mouth" quite like TEs do.
2) Desite all evidence that he's unreliable as both a blocker and a pass receiver, they picked up Engram's 5th year option. Is it the player, or the position he plays that is worth his option year? Evidence points more to the position.
3) Many speculate that Kaden Smith could be a decent #1 in line TE. Has he showed that yet, really? If I werent lazy I'd look up his snap counts, but not even sure that would prove much. He may be simply the best option of a bad group after EE.
What you got for an upgraded WR room being crucial to this team and their head coach's and OC's strategy going forward?
Reason a TE will not be high?
You stated they like Engram, so he is the starter. They are not wasting a high pick for another TE. They may draft one later and there are plenty of TEs.
Why WR?
Tate is likely gone. Shepard is constantly injured and a slot WR. Only other real WR is Slayton. Mack maybe ok, but as a #4. So the only fast guy is Slayton.
I suspect ER, CB and ILB with speed ar the top 3 needs.
But you are right, opinions are like asses, we all have one.
No opt-outs except for special circumstances. They need to be Team First players. Again, they need to be playing this season.
Avoid the “divas” in the first round like when choosing between 2 equally rated players like a WR vs LB. If you are looking at a “diva position” in the first round, screen out the divas.
Avoid the wannabe thugs.
Will they continue to feel good and confident about him after they review this year's tape?
You make a good argument re how shallow the WR room is right now, and the liklihood of Tate being released before 2021. But you left out Pettis altogether and categorized Mack as a #4, when he is already seeing #3 reps as a rookie.
Mack is not getting a ton of reps or targets, so that says something, but we really don't know what they envision as Mack's future.
Some people were higher on him in last year's draft than the UDFA status he fell to. Too many problems staying on the field for ND, I think.
No opt-outs except for special circumstances. They need to be Team First players. Again, they need to be playing this season.
Avoid the “divas” in the first round like when choosing between 2 equally rated players like a WR vs LB. If you are looking at a “diva position” in the first round, screen out the divas.
Avoid the wannabe thugs.
Sorry, but there are way too many Blue and Red Chip players who opted out to ignore them, that's crazy talk.
You'd pass up Parsons or Chase at favorable slot because they opted out? No one would do that.
I see Xavier Thomas is ranked #81. coming into the season I saw him as high as 15 on some boards. someone will get a steal if he lasts into the third round.
I'm very curious to see how Pitts returns to action after the vicious and outrageous hit he took in the Georgia game from Lewis Cine. He sustained a concussion and needed nasal surgery.
I wouldn't be surprised if he's not the same player at first. I don't know how you get over something like that...
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nor how wide receiver isn't a pretty desperate need.
I'm very curious to see how Pitts returns to action after the vicious and outrageous hit he took in the Georgia game from Lewis Cine. He sustained a concussion and needed nasal surgery.
I wouldn't be surprised if he's not the same player at first. I don't know how you get over something like that...
Vicious hit indeed. Hopefully he gets right back on that horse.
Dominating player in the passing game, and can high-point a TD catch over a CB or Safety like nobody's business.
Will they continue to feel good and confident about him after they review this year's tape?
You make a good argument re how shallow the WR room is right now, and the liklihood of Tate being released before 2021. But you left out Pettis altogether and categorized Mack as a #4, when he is already seeing #3 reps as a rookie.
Mack is not getting a ton of reps or targets, so that says something, but we really don't know what they envision as Mack's future.
Some people were higher on him in last year's draft than the UDFA status he fell to. Too many problems staying on the field for ND, I think.
Slayton, Shepard, Tate 1,2,3 - Mack is #4. Pettis? He has not taken a snap and got the 'rona before he saw the field. Doubt somebody's cast off develops into a #1.
Engram continues to be a focus of the offense - as per Judge and Garrett.
While I agree a two way TE would be nice, they can survive with Engram and Smith. Especially if they get Engram on seam routes.
Kittle was a 5th. There are gems out there.