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Mike McCarthy.

SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/26/2020 7:36 pm
Yeah. Glad he ain't our head coach.
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RE: Nobody wanted Joe Judge either  
Jay on the Island : 11/26/2020 8:20 pm : link
In comment 15057366 JohnB said:
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Just stating the facts....

This is not true at all. Nobody knew who he was at the time but once they say his press conference he won most fans over.
RE: Nobody wanted Joe Judge either  
robbieballs2003 : 11/26/2020 8:22 pm : link
In comment 15057366 JohnB said:
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Just stating the facts....


If you are stating facts then give it context. McCarthy benefitted from having one of the best QBs ever. He missed team meetings to get massages. And after he was hired he admitted to lying in his interview at his introductory press conference about watching film on his year off.

Judge on the other hand was just an unknown. It isn't that people didn't want him because they knew him. It was because he was an unknownm
He lied about watching film?  
LBH15 : 11/26/2020 8:24 pm : link
There was a whole video on him doing it basically every day at his home office.
RE: Nobody wanted Joe Judge either  
UConn4523 : 11/26/2020 8:29 pm : link
In comment 15057366 JohnB said:
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Just stating the facts....


Who’s nobody? I was pumped for his candidacy and hiring, as were others. McCarthy and Garrett were on my absolutely not list (the only two in fact).
What about 4th and 1 on their own 30....  
No Where Man : 11/26/2020 8:35 pm : link
in the first half? That call was worse.
RE: He lied about watching film?  
robbieballs2003 : 11/26/2020 8:38 pm : link
In comment 15057373 LBH15 said:
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There was a whole video on him doing it basically every day at his home office.


Yeah, he admitted it. Maybe it was him "breaking down" film and analyzing it or analyzing the Cowboys from that year but he flat out said he lied about it.
RE: He lied about watching film?  
robbieballs2003 : 11/26/2020 8:40 pm : link
In comment 15057373 LBH15 said:
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There was a whole video on him doing it basically every day at his home office.


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"Well, I need to confess. I told Jerry that I watched every play of the 2019 season, but I wanted the job," McCarthy said with a laugh. "I haven't watched every play of the season, but you do what you gotta do, right?"


Exactly what you want in a leader.
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He's had an awful debut year with Dallas...  
BillKo : 11/26/2020 8:48 pm : link
...those two fourth down gambles were horrid.

You can literally say, he gave the game away with those two calls.........otherwise they are probably within one score at the end of the game - and a chance to win. Not saying they win, but he secured a loss with both calls.

And I do understand the special team call maybe wasn't his - but in the end its his responsibility.

Add on to that  
kes722 : 11/26/2020 8:48 pm : link
Dalton threw it 35 time and elliot only carried 10 times.

If we had our back up QB in and Barkley only gets 10 carries people would be losing their shit.
I listened to McCarthy's postgame interview  
No Where Man : 11/26/2020 9:45 pm : link
He said that the information they had gathered told them the fake punt was "a solid call". Just FYI the information was gathered by coach Bones Fassel.
RE: Good news  
santacruzom : 11/26/2020 9:57 pm : link
In comment 15057323 Dukie Dimes said:
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For the giants. Washington’s schedule is much tougher. They have

@ Pitt
@ SF
Sea
Car
@ Phi


I could see them beating the completely depleted 9'ers and the Eagles. Carolina is a possibility too.
6 games to go. If you are a playoff contender and not a pretender,  
Ivan15 : 11/26/2020 10:05 pm : link
You man up and find a way to win more than half your remaining games.
RE: Everything comes down to risk reward.  
djm : 11/26/2020 10:10 pm : link
In comment 15057368 robbieballs2003 said:
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What was the reward? Seriously? A first down at the ~35 yard line? It doesn't put you in FG range. Your offense isn't moving the ball so there is also a good chance they have to punt again anyway. What is the risk? Well, we all saw what the risk was. You can't call that shitty play at your own 24 yard line.


Except right in my view as well
Exactly right  
djm : 11/26/2020 10:11 pm : link
Not except
It  
dorgan : 11/26/2020 10:13 pm : link
Was an idiotic gamble given down, distance, score and time remaining. The kind of call that gets coaches fired.
RE: Nobody wanted Joe Judge either  
mfsd : 11/26/2020 10:26 pm : link
In comment 15057366 JohnB said:
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Just stating the facts....


Not true, several of us did. A buddy of mine gets some inside info from the Pats, and told me before he was even mentioned as a candidate the Giants should consider him, bc he was considered a great head coaching candidate in New England. Several of us were excited about Judge early on

As for McCarthy, yeah it’s a little harder without Aaron Rodgers in his prime to save you from your dumbassery
Fake punts are one thing  
Greg from LI : 11/26/2020 10:34 pm : link
But it was a 4 point game at that point, 12+ minutes remaining, and 4th and 10 deep in their own end. Given all that, it was an incredibly stupid call.
SO glad  
broadbandz : 11/26/2020 10:50 pm : link
the boys hired him. Hope isn't fired before we get one more crack at him. And good ole Doug is dumb as hell as well with his 2 pt tries.
I DO NOT LIKE MCCARTHY AS COACH!  
State Your Name : 11/26/2020 11:31 pm : link
HE IS A BAD COACH
In all honesty  
montanagiant : 11/27/2020 12:07 am : link
That was about the worse coaching job I have seen in a game since Pete Carrol decided to throw the ball in the SB on 1st down at the goal line 5 years ago.
RE: Nobody wanted Joe Judge either  
montanagiant : 11/27/2020 12:15 am : link
In comment 15057366 JohnB said:
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Just stating the facts....

LMAO, this is about the silliest claim of "facts" I have seen on here. Seriously, what do you base this claim on?
The guy has interviewed for one NFL HC job and got it AFTER he was offered the Mississippi State HC job.

He impressed so much that he got an offer from one of the premiere HC spots in the NFL his first time interviewing for an NFL HC job.
RE: Fake punts are one thing  
montanagiant : 11/27/2020 12:17 am : link
In comment 15057428 Greg from LI said:
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But it was a 4 point game at that point, 12+ minutes remaining, and 4th and 10 deep in their own end. Given all that, it was an incredibly stupid call.

It was the kind of idiotic call one could actually be suspicious of being made to throw a game. That's not what happened but it was truly that moronic. it might work at the HS level but when you have pros that have years of experience that was nothing but idiotic
RE: What about 4th and 1 on their own 30....  
Sonic Youth : 11/27/2020 1:10 am : link
In comment 15057384 No Where Man said:
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in the first half? That call was worse.
this was easily the worst call. As j was reading this thread, u was waiting for someone to bring this up
RE: RE: What about 4th and 1 on their own 30....  
BlackLight : 11/27/2020 2:38 am : link
In comment 15057446 Sonic Youth said:
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In comment 15057384 No Where Man said:


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in the first half? That call was worse.

this was easily the worst call. As j was reading this thread, u was waiting for someone to bring this up


No, it wasn't. It was bad, but you leave yourself plenty of time to overcome it if you don't convert.

But you could pick three different reasons why the fake punt was indefensible. Risk vs. reward, down and distance, play-call - any one of those.
he's an  
Allen in CNJ : 11/27/2020 4:36 am : link
unmitigated disaster
Perhaps the worst managed/coached  
section125 : 11/27/2020 4:59 am : link
game I have ever seen.

I actually was semi-impressed by WFT. But was that because the Cowboys were so badly planned or because they played well. Those gaping holes in the dline at the end were rather impressive.

McCarthy, one and done.
RE: He's had an awful debut year with Dallas...  
Rafflee : 11/27/2020 5:13 am : link
In comment 15057394 BillKo said:
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...those two fourth down gambles were horrid.

You can literally say, he gave the game away with those two calls.........otherwise they are probably within one score at the end of the game - and a chance to win. Not saying they win, but he secured a loss with both calls.

And I do understand the special team call maybe wasn't his - but in the end its his responsibility.


Are we actually in agreement That the Call was Made by the Specials Coach?????? If that's the Decision Making Structure, McCarthy should have been Gone by 9pm!!!!
RE: RE: He's had an awful debut year with Dallas...  
Rafflee : 11/27/2020 5:17 am : link
In comment 15057455 Rafflee said:
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In comment 15057394 BillKo said:


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...those two fourth down gambles were horrid.

You can literally say, he gave the game away with those two calls.........otherwise they are probably within one score at the end of the game - and a chance to win. Not saying they win, but he secured a loss with both calls.

And I do understand the special team call maybe wasn't his - but in the end its his responsibility.


Are we actually in agreement That the Call was Made by the Specials Coach?????? If that's the Decision Making Structure, McCarthy should have been Gone by 9pm!!!!





Are we actually in agreement That the Call was Made by the Specials Coach?????? If that's the Decision Making Structure, McCarthy should have been Gone by 9pm!!!!
I think Giants ownership and the front office deserve credit for  
Ira : 11/27/2020 6:47 am : link
passing on McCarthy and hiring Judge.
So I guess now we know why Aaron Rodgers...  
EricJ : 11/27/2020 6:55 am : link
was trying to run him out of GB
RE: It  
chick310 : 11/27/2020 6:57 am : link
In comment 15057424 dorgan said:
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Was an idiotic gamble given down, distance, score and time remaining. The kind of call that gets coaches fired.


Well, we don't want him fired.
RE: I think Giants ownership and the front office deserve credit for  
chick310 : 11/27/2020 7:00 am : link
In comment 15057460 Ira said:
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passing on McCarthy and hiring Judge.


But McCarthy is 1-0 against Judge.

Just kidding.
I've said many times, McCarthy, McAdoo and everyone associated  
Victor in CT : 11/27/2020 7:26 am : link
with the Packers owe EVERYTHING to Aaron Rodgers covering up their incompetence.
Agree with Victor.  
Bubba : 11/27/2020 7:32 am : link
When shopping for coaches you really need to examine what supporting cast they had in the past. I NEVER thought McCarthy was a good coach even when the won the SB.
the story about bringing  
ATL_Giants : 11/27/2020 7:53 am : link
in a masseuse through the back door in GB was enough for me to give up on him.
RE: What about 4th and 1 on their own 30....  
Tuckrule : 11/27/2020 8:12 am : link
In comment 15057384 No Where Man said:
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in the first half? That call was worse.


Yep my thoughts exactly insane call and to pass it with dalton. I mean come on you do have zeke. If there’s one thing he can do it’s fall forward.
I've been a Packer fan since the 60's  
arniefez : 11/27/2020 9:06 am : link
My father was a hue fan and I met him when they played the Giants in Yankee Stadium. Bart Starr too and bunch of the other players.

When I say fan I mean I like them and root for them when it doesn't effect the Giants. So I watched many many of McCarthy's games. I don't think there is any other coach of the past 20 years that couldn't have won more than 1 Super Bowl with Aaron Rogers. Belichick would have won 10. Jim Fassel would have won 5. I'm hoping Mccarthy has a long run with the Cowboys. Jerry couldn't have made a wiser choice.

If you want a clinic in horrible NFL head coaching go back and watch the Packers Seahawks championship game in 2014 (was played in January 2015 but the 2014 season). It was almost impossible for Green Bay to lose that game.

Of course as a Giant fans we should all be grateful to McCarthy he is as responsible for the the two Eli Super Bowls as anyone in the Giants organization.
Fat phone fingers  
arniefez : 11/27/2020 9:07 am : link
my father was huge Lombardi fan...
Getting blasted by Dallas media for the fake punt call  
Rick in Dallas : 11/27/2020 10:54 am : link
McCarthy handed that victory to the WFT yesterday.

RE: It does make you wonder what Rodgers ceiling could have been  
trueblueinpw : 11/27/2020 10:59 am : link
In comment 15057361 adamg said:
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If he had his own Belicheck...

Only one ring with the most talented passer ever is pathetic.


Rodgers is physically more gifted than TB12 without a doubt. But Tawmy and Bill loved film study and prep as much as game day and Tawmy made a lot of sacrifices that I’m just not sure Rodgers would have even considered. It’s an interesting question, how would the other great QBs have fared in NE during the same years Brady played? But I think guys like Eli, Peyton, Brees, Rivers all seem like better character and work guys than Rodgers. Rodgers is such a head case - I wonder how long a guy like Rodgers could play for a guy like Belichick? Plus, of course, the New England gay club scene is entirely different.
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Britt in VA : 11/27/2020 11:10 am : link
RE: The fake punt wasn't the worst call in the world,  
Big Blue '56 : 11/27/2020 11:12 am : link
In comment 15057355 Red Dog said:
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but that play had about zero chance of succeeding.


Actually, it was.
Seeing the all 22 film there today. That play was there,  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/27/2020 11:20 am : link
you had 1 corner trying to cover the gunner and punter, and the gunner was pretty open deep. The execution of the play sucked. It’s still a terrible call, you need so much to go right and you are essentially handing them points if all doesn’t go well.
RE: RE: It does make you wonder what Rodgers ceiling could have been  
RUNYG : 11/27/2020 11:44 am : link
In comment 15057579 trueblueinpw said:
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In comment 15057361 adamg said:


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If he had his own Belicheck...

Only one ring with the most talented passer ever is pathetic.



Rodgers is physically more gifted than TB12 without a doubt. But Tawmy and Bill loved film study and prep as much as game day and Tawmy made a lot of sacrifices that I’m just not sure Rodgers would have even considered. It’s an interesting question, how would the other great QBs have fared in NE during the same years Brady played? But I think guys like Eli, Peyton, Brees, Rivers all seem like better character and work guys than Rodgers. Rodgers is such a head case - I wonder how long a guy like Rodgers could play for a guy like Belichick? Plus, of course, the New England gay club scene is entirely different.

The hypothetical game NFL fans seem to love to make are so ludicrous. “If this guy had this player or if they had this HC they would win X many SBs!!”

I don’t think McCarthy is a good HC but let’s not act like he didn’t play a big role developing Rodgers.
Now we got people taking Rodgers work ethic into question  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/27/2020 11:53 am : link
Ridiculous. This narrative around Rodgers is so weird. He’s a guy that reworked his fundamentals coming into the league. You know how hard that is and how much work needs to be put into that at that age? Rodgers has been giving some pretty candid interviews in his weekly spot with McAfee and I got news for you, the guy loves football. You need to see his answer about why football is the greatest sport on Earth. “Every other sport, 1 or 2 players, can bring you a championship, even in soccer an elite forward or GK can get you there. Football is all about all 11 guys doing their jobs on every given play. I love the team aspect of the sport and going to battle with all the other guys in the locker room”.

Rodgers wasn’t the one holding up in his offense getting massages in the middle of practice.
And listening to AJ Hawk and Rodgers talk about McCarthy  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/27/2020 11:55 am : link
It’s clear they think he’s a hilarious character, but don’t think all that much about him as a football coach.
Hypothetically...  
trueblueinpw : 11/27/2020 12:47 pm : link
Rodgers is one of the most physically talented QB I’ve ever seen. Arm talent, toughness, reading defenses, making plays in big spots and big pressure games, killer instinct, mobility. Dude is the total package and one of the best I’ve seen.

And I didn’t question his work ethic, which I don’t think has ever been rumored or reported to be an issue. What I did question was ARs ability to last two decades in a place like Belichick’s Pats. You know, hypothetically.

There are entirely credible stories of AR ignoring MM play calls. And yeah, maybe those calls were bogus and stupid but still, it makes me wonder how well AR would work with Hoodie over two decades. Like, hypothetically.

Off the field the guy has a pretty weird life. I’m not judging him, I’m really not, but he seems like kind of a head case. I think that’s part of who he is and I wonder how that would have worn in NE? Just hypothetically speaking.

Probably say more about Brady and his willingness to subordinate his ego to Hoodie’s and the Patriot way. Idk. I think it’s clear that AR is more physically talented than TB. But the mental aspect, the emotional maturity? That would seem to heavily favored TB and also heavily handicap AR in a place like NE. Hypothetically.
RE: Hypothetically...  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/27/2020 1:16 pm : link
In comment 15057675 trueblueinpw said:
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Rodgers is one of the most physically talented QB I’ve ever seen. Arm talent, toughness, reading defenses, making plays in big spots and big pressure games, killer instinct, mobility. Dude is the total package and one of the best I’ve seen.

And I didn’t question his work ethic, which I don’t think has ever been rumored or reported to be an issue. What I did question was ARs ability to last two decades in a place like Belichick’s Pats. You know, hypothetically.

There are entirely credible stories of AR ignoring MM play calls. And yeah, maybe those calls were bogus and stupid but still, it makes me wonder how well AR would work with Hoodie over two decades. Like, hypothetically.

Off the field the guy has a pretty weird life. I’m not judging him, I’m really not, but he seems like kind of a head case. I think that’s part of who he is and I wonder how that would have worn in NE? Just hypothetically speaking.

Probably say more about Brady and his willingness to subordinate his ego to Hoodie’s and the Patriot way. Idk. I think it’s clear that AR is more physically talented than TB. But the mental aspect, the emotional maturity? That would seem to heavily favored TB and also heavily handicap AR in a place like NE. Hypothetically.


I actually do understand this sentiment, but I think a lot of these have been answered. People have pointed to him being estranged from his family, well his family is a bunch of super weirdo fundamentalist Christians. They've pointed to him being insubordinate to Big Mike, well obviously he should be. Guys is a terrible head coach. They've pointed to some of his press conference answers. After listening to some candid interviews with him he's certainly an extremely smart guy, well thought out, and introspective. He probably gives some answers there that don't sit right with people. In fact this is something that BB would improve, have you seen Cam in interviews lately, talk about towing the company line.

Would he be able to handle getting skewered in team meetings? After listening to him this year in these candid interviews, it's clear he loves the team aspect of the sport and only cares about winning. Brady is the guy that is way more worried about his legacy. The tell all book that just came out on the recent Pats tells you all you need to know "Tommy Foxboro". Who says Bill isn't a funny guy? Jumps ship on a bad Pats team, to go to a very talented Bucs team, with the QB whisperer at coach. Tremendous skill players with an offensive line that can actually pass block, but Jameis would hold the ball so long would make them look much worse than they are.

The fact that people are talking about this season saying well maybe Brady was the one driving the ship there and not Bill is absolutely ludicrous. I live here in Tampa so I see the Bucs all the time, he didn't want his legacy to be so tied to BB, understandably so I probably wouldn't either, but this move was so calculated it's hard for me to give him credit for it. If he cared so much he should have jumped ship earlier to a team that wasn't a perfect landing destination. Even then, hard to see this Bucs team winning a SB with Brady at the helm, just looks like a middle of the road QB out there these days. His stats look pretty good because the offense is tremendous, and the attacking defense doesn't spend much time on the field.
McCarthy and the Packers  
yalebowl : 11/27/2020 4:24 pm : link
I live in Wisconsin and McCarthy was a terrible coach here. His press conferences were completely undecipherable. I am so glad the Giants stayed away from him.

His favorite fall back was like "....We were able to go in and clean that up. It’s kind of a back-to-basics approach on offense, and defense is obviously is a whole different deal.”
RE: RE: Nobody wanted Joe Judge either  
Gruber : 11/28/2020 3:00 pm : link
In comment 15057426 mfsd said:
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In comment 15057366 JohnB said:


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Just stating the facts....



Not true, several of us did. A buddy of mine gets some inside info from the Pats, and told me before he was even mentioned as a candidate the Giants should consider him, bc he was considered a great head coaching candidate in New England. Several of us were excited about Judge early on

As for McCarthy, yeah it’s a little harder without Aaron Rodgers in his prime to save you from your dumbassery


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