He wont bc record but if you look at what hes done this year its pretty freaking impressive. Mike Mayock will probably win media fav and with the job he did w Raiders.
Free Agents Signed
Lenny Williams DT
James Bradberry CB
Blake Martinez LB
Kyle Fackrell LB
Levine Toilio TE
Lets look at the draft -rebuilt the OL and added good pieces
Andrew Thomas OL
Matt Peart OL
Shane Lemieux OL
Xavier Mckinney S
Darney Holmes CB
Carter Coughlin LB
Cam Brown LB
Tae Crowder LB
This is the most improved team in the league. Its time to recognize what the Gettledog is doing.
We have the Coach, QB, and are stronger on both lines. Need to add a few more players =this will be a very tough team to beat.
Yes but if you look at players added top to bottom this year, this is the most improved team. Grier has done a very good job.
or Arizona, Las Vegas, Cleveland, Tampa.
Kevin Colbert is one of the top GMs and I love what Ballard is doing with Colts. Mayock should win tho.
I also think that as a GM he is good about getting input from his coaches--this was a big fail with the past coaches and I believe we are seeing positive input from our current coaches.
He decided we needed to completely turnover our entire roster, however, when doing that you have to hit on 75% of your replacements in my opinion. Otherwise, you end up with a replacement team that is different but not necessarily good. I think when he started and in part trying to help win while rebuilding, he was under 50% hit. this led to coaching changes and the need to really start the rebuild. I think we are now seeing us hit closer to the 75% or more and part of that is the coaches doing a great job.
So, I like him and do not think the world is falling if he stays another year, but no way GM of the year candidate.
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Have you seen the Dolphins this season?
or Arizona, Las Vegas, Cleveland, Tampa.
AZ best signing, LV i said Mike should win, Cleveland is still living off Dorseys picks, Tampa no
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Have you seen the Dolphins this season?
or Arizona, Las Vegas, Cleveland, Tampa.
How about Indy too. What if Washington wins the division?
I also think that as a GM he is good about getting input from his coaches--this was a big fail with the past coaches and I believe we are seeing positive input from our current coaches.
He decided we needed to completely turnover our entire roster, however, when doing that you have to hit on 75% of your replacements in my opinion. Otherwise, you end up with a replacement team that is different but not necessarily good. I think when he started and in part trying to help win while rebuilding, he was under 50% hit. this led to coaching changes and the need to really start the rebuild. I think we are now seeing us hit closer to the 75% or more and part of that is the coaches doing a great job.
So, I like him and do not think the world is falling if he stays another year, but no way GM of the year candidate.
Fair, but you have to admit this was his best year overall and he did add up to 7 starters and thekicker
The Levine Toilolo call-out on the OP was also kind of humorous.
Great pickups
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But absolutely not.
I also think that as a GM he is good about getting input from his coaches--this was a big fail with the past coaches and I believe we are seeing positive input from our current coaches.
He decided we needed to completely turnover our entire roster, however, when doing that you have to hit on 75% of your replacements in my opinion. Otherwise, you end up with a replacement team that is different but not necessarily good. I think when he started and in part trying to help win while rebuilding, he was under 50% hit. this led to coaching changes and the need to really start the rebuild. I think we are now seeing us hit closer to the 75% or more and part of that is the coaches doing a great job.
So, I like him and do not think the world is falling if he stays another year, but no way GM of the year candidate.
Fair, but you have to admit this was his best year overall and he did add up to 7 starters and thekicker
I do agree this is his best year so far, but part of 7 new starters is making up for not having starters in place from his previous misses. The need to have to get 7 starters would have not been needed with better prior seasons. Also, part of the need for these new players was the wants of a new coaching staff.
Great pickups
Wow your right, Excellent points.
Haha exactly. While this thread is pretty silly, I love the effort to trigger the BBI know it all crowd, who are no doubt very aggravated by everyone’s optimism
Great pickups
I really like Logan Ryan and hope he is back next year. The question for me is, does he sign here if we didn't have Judge as the coach.
The Giants are 3-7 and haven’t beaten a team with a winning record. They have been one of the worst 10 teams in the league three years running. But here is a discussion about an award for the GM.
If DG is the GM of the year for building such a good roster, then Joe Judge should be fired yesterday for not being able to win with such an impressive roster.
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You should Logan Ryan and Graham Gano to the scorecard
Great pickups
Wow your right, Excellent points.
They were good pickups and Giants should get some credit for that. But its not like either was on their radar until Rosas was arrested and several guys in the secondary became worthless. Partial credit works.
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Have you seen the Dolphins this season?
Yes but if you look at players added top to bottom this year, this is the most improved team. Grier has done a very good job.
No the Dolphins have added far more talent. They were the least talented team in football last season after trading away almost every good player they had. The Ereck Flowers signing was the only poor decision they made this offseason.
+infinity
Not allowed
*Barkley
*Jones at QB who looks to be calming down IMO
*A young 5-man OL in place that fans seem excited about
*A very good, young Defense in the making
*Outstanding special teams. IMO the Giants win the special teams battle every week.
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You may not give him credit for all of this, but it's hard to paint a picture where he deserves to get fired. This looks like a very good team heading into 2021. Why get rid of the GM in that scenario? Seems like all his draft picks are "harvesting" just in time.
Judge for HCOTY and Graham for ACOTY.
They are demonstrating they be able to make chicken salad.
I can only imagine the potential upside of this organization if Judge could chose his own players.
*Barkley
*Jones at QB who looks to be calming down IMO
*A young 5-man OL in place that fans seem excited about
*A very good, young Defense in the making
*Outstanding special teams. IMO the Giants win the special teams battle every week.
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You may not give him credit for all of this, but it's hard to paint a picture where he deserves to get fired. This looks like a very good team heading into 2021. Why get rid of the GM in that scenario? Seems like all his draft picks are "harvesting" just in time.
This team is 3-7 in the worst division in the history of the NFL.
*Barkley
*Jones at QB who looks to be calming down IMO
*A young 5-man OL in place that fans seem excited about
*A very good, young Defense in the making
*Outstanding special teams. IMO the Giants win the special teams battle every week.
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You may not give him credit for all of this, but it's hard to paint a picture where he deserves to get fired. This looks like a very good team heading into 2021. Why get rid of the GM in that scenario? Seems like all his draft picks are "harvesting" just in time.
Apologies...didn't you forget to type the objective portion you were referring to?
so you disagree with the FA pickups and draft as being highly helpful to rebuilding the team?
So you dont see an improvement in play and talent on the team? FYI DJ new coach new coordinator neww offense NO Pre season his 2nd yr. new OL and lost best weapon -give him a break
So your not impressed with his work this year?
Judge for HCOTY and Graham for ACOTY.
They are demonstrating they be able to make chicken salad.
I can only imagine the potential upside of this organization if Judge could chose his own players.
I love the coaching staff and what they have been able to do in such a short time, but my point is it has been an impressive yr for Dave
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But if you look at objectively what's happened, come hell or high water the ship looks to have righted.
*Barkley
*Jones at QB who looks to be calming down IMO
*A young 5-man OL in place that fans seem excited about
*A very good, young Defense in the making
*Outstanding special teams. IMO the Giants win the special teams battle every week.
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You may not give him credit for all of this, but it's hard to paint a picture where he deserves to get fired. This looks like a very good team heading into 2021. Why get rid of the GM in that scenario? Seems like all his draft picks are "harvesting" just in time.
This team is 3-7 in the worst division in the history of the NFL.
The record will get better now that the team is getting better -still far from where it needs to go but without a doubt it has turned and fast heading in the right direction. This offseason was a big reason why.
Though bringing it to reality, if this team makes it to the playoffs with this bad roster, the only guy getting an award should be Joe Judge. And everybody in the front office, including Gettleman, should thank Judge if they keep their jobs another season.
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If the goal is to seek awards for a team that is 3-7, the legitimate candidates are Judge and Graham.
Judge for HCOTY and Graham for ACOTY.
They are demonstrating they be able to make chicken salad.
I can only imagine the potential upside of this organization if Judge could chose his own players.
I love the coaching staff and what they have been able to do in such a short time, but my point is it has been an impressive yr for Dave
You should be impressed with the coaching staff.
And just leave your desire to be impressed right there. Don't expand it to include DG, Mara, Tisch, Abrams...whomever in the front office.
The competitiveness of this team is a blend of Judge and his staff; and the worst division in the history of the sport. Nothing more.
I think this board needs a GH category for threads - Giants Hyperbole. Then folks can start threads like “are the Giants the best team in the league?” or “Will we ever draft outside the top 3 again?”
Finding a rationale Giant fan these days is like looking for a leprechaun riding a unicorn.
Then again, even if he (or someone else) had started a "Gettleman sucks and should be fired" thread, my guess is the same people (on both sides) would show up and post the same things they do on all DG threads.
(great name, btw)
Both have looked better over the last 2 weeks and maybe Jones and the offense show sustained improvement and success here over the last half of the season.. but right now he's a marginal starter in an offense that struggles to score points.
I presume Gettleman drafted Jones because Shurmur wanted him and Eli's contract was up and the front office seemed obsessed with the idea of a rookie QB "learning from Eli". But I, like many fans, was hoping they'd take Allen, let Eli play out his contract with Lauletta backing up, and move heaven and earth to get Herbert the following year.
Any improvement this year can be attributed to having a better coach and DC in here than Shurmur and Bettcher, and Gettleman going and getting players they want.
Gettleman should maybe not be fired, but should definitely not win any awards.
If this team finished 8-8, there is an argument to be made he’s in the running. On the flip side of that if this team finishes 4-12, there certainly an argument to be made he should “retire”
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If we win the East with a 7-9 record.
If this team finished 8-8, there is an argument to be made he’s in the running. On the flip side of that if this team finishes 4-12, there certainly an argument to be made he should “retire”
Valid perspective Zeke.....
If you're going to choose an echo chamber, sports is the best place to do it.
I think the OP is actually Dave Gettleman.
Who else would think Leonard Williams was signed as a free agent?
Side note: I love Leonard Williams and if we get 5 years of this level of play out of him then it’s a hole run no matter what we gave up.
Somewhere Marc Colombo is getting a good chuckle.
Side note: I love Leonard Williams and if we get 5 years of this level of play out of him then it’s a hole run no matter what we gave up.
He's doing a great job? Uh...
Of course, he set the bar so low in his first couple that a league average off season by comparison looks like an award winning off season. But hey, its an improvement. I have no clue, but I gotta wonder how much of Judge's influence affected it though.
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Has he made mistakes? Sure but all GMs make mistakes. He has a head coach and staff who are on the same page and the result is that the abilities of the players - be them free agents of draft picks - are able to maximize their potential. GM of the year? If the Giants finish 9-7 and/or two win a playoff game, it would be a consideration. Firing him? At this point, it’s ridiculous to even suggest.
Side note: I love Leonard Williams and if we get 5 years of this level of play out of him then it’s a hole run no matter what we gave up.
He's doing a great job? Uh...
Is the team getting better? Is Logan leading in pro-bowl votes? Do we have the best corner in the NFC in Bradbury? How good is Jones becoming? How good is Thomas becoming? What does Martinez do for the defense?
Our general manager has at least earned his keep for next year.
Yeah, sure. “Trolls start fights.”
Fine.
But anyone with a sincere I terry in the team and half a brain can evaluate the state of the team and understand that the team is headed in the right direction and Dave is a reason why.
And the man had other concerns - like his life - due to cancer that may have made him a little off his game.
He’s doing a good job.
Period.
I hate typos
Notice that our two biggest free agent signings this past off-season - Martinez and Bradberry - are young veterans as is Leonard Williams. Gettleman has overhauled this roster. I like where it has gone and feel optimistic about where it's going.
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Has he made mistakes? Sure but all GMs make mistakes. He has a head coach and staff who are on the same page and the result is that the abilities of the players - be them free agents of draft picks - are able to maximize their potential. GM of the year? If the Giants finish 9-7 and/or two win a playoff game, it would be a consideration. Firing him? At this point, it’s ridiculous to even suggest.
Side note: I love Leonard Williams and if we get 5 years of this level of play out of him then it’s a hole run no matter what we gave up.
He's doing a great job? Uh...
Is the team getting better? Is Logan leading in pro-bowl votes? Do we have the best corner in the NFC in Bradbury? How good is Jones becoming? How good is Thomas becoming? What does Martinez do for the defense?
Our general manager has at least earned his keep for next year.
Yeah, sure. “Trolls start fights.”
Fine.
But anyone with a sincere I terry in the team and half a brain can evaluate the state of the team and understand that the team is headed in the right direction and Dave is a reason why.
And the man had other concerns - like his life - due to cancer that may have made him a little off his game.
He’s doing a good job.
Period.
So he went from doing a great job to a good job in just a few posts.
Average job by noon today?
NFL executives seem to agree w me so whose the troll?
(great name, btw)
Thanks -a homage to Kings X
Both have looked better over the last 2 weeks and maybe Jones and the offense show sustained improvement and success here over the last half of the season.. but right now he's a marginal starter in an offense that struggles to score points.
I presume Gettleman drafted Jones because Shurmur wanted him and Eli's contract was up and the front office seemed obsessed with the idea of a rookie QB "learning from Eli". But I, like many fans, was hoping they'd take Allen, let Eli play out his contract with Lauletta backing up, and move heaven and earth to get Herbert the following year.
Any improvement this year can be attributed to having a better coach and DC in here than Shurmur and Bettcher, and Gettleman going and getting players they want.
Gettleman should maybe not be fired, but should definitely not win any awards.
IMO Jones has the talent and mental makeup to be a top 5 QB
Notice that our two biggest free agent signings this past off-season - Martinez and Bradberry - are young veterans as is Leonard Williams. Gettleman has overhauled this roster. I like where it has gone and feel optimistic about where it's going.
Exactly
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Has he made mistakes? Sure but all GMs make mistakes. He has a head coach and staff who are on the same page and the result is that the abilities of the players - be them free agents of draft picks - are able to maximize their potential. GM of the year? If the Giants finish 9-7 and/or two win a playoff game, it would be a consideration. Firing him? At this point, it’s ridiculous to even suggest.
Side note: I love Leonard Williams and if we get 5 years of this level of play out of him then it’s a hole run no matter what we gave up.
He's doing a great job? Uh...
Is the team getting better? Is Logan leading in pro-bowl votes? Do we have the best corner in the NFC in Bradbury? How good is Jones becoming? How good is Thomas becoming? What does Martinez do for the defense?
Our general manager has at least earned his keep for next year.
Yeah, sure. “Trolls start fights.”
Fine.
But anyone with a sincere I terry in the team and half a brain can evaluate the state of the team and understand that the team is headed in the right direction and Dave is a reason why.
And the man had other concerns - like his life - due to cancer that may have made him a little off his game.
He’s doing a good job.
Period.
Great points
Then again, even if he (or someone else) had started a "Gettleman sucks and should be fired" thread, my guess is the same people (on both sides) would show up and post the same things they do on all DG threads.
still think i was uhh trolling? ha
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So I'm not sure why anyone is bothering to respond.
Then again, even if he (or someone else) had started a "Gettleman sucks and should be fired" thread, my guess is the same people (on both sides) would show up and post the same things they do on all DG threads.
still think i was uhh trolling? ha
I love you being here. You add a lot to the discussions. And I love you name....best name here for sure!
Interesting thought. Its been a crazy season.
I think this board needs a GH category for threads - Giants Hyperbole. Then folks can start threads like “are the Giants the best team in the league?” or “Will we ever draft outside the top 3 again?”
Finding a rationale Giant fan these days is like looking for a leprechaun riding a unicorn.
You were saying? Lol
Ha I didnt see this.. He deserves it more than Obama
Care to reconsider?
Feel the same?
EASY.
You don't even have to be subtle here. We are eager to swallow the bait.
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Way better than the John Jerry guy. (Although they may be the same person, maybe he stepped up his game!)
This is a lame troll. Trolling this board is like fishing in a lake of starving fish.
EASY.
You don't even have to be subtle here. We are eager to swallow the bait.
Good Name - prove me wrong.
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but I definitely think "GettleDOGman" should!
(great name, btw)
Thanks -a homage to Kings X
a very under-rated band
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Way better than the John Jerry guy. (Although they may be the same person, maybe he stepped up his game!)
This is a lame troll. Trolling this board is like fishing in a lake of starving fish.
EASY.
You don't even have to be subtle here. We are eager to swallow the bait.
Good Name - prove me wrong.
It looks good right now, but let's see the whole thing first.
Good Name - prove me wrong.
Premature. When everyone was clamoring for his head at 1-7, I said it doesn't look good now, but wait, the season needs to play out. We won 4 straight and everyone wants DG enshrined. The season STILL needs to play out. They don't give 3/4 season awards. They could go 0-4 or 4-0 and that changes this conversation 180 degrees. 9-7 is the moon from 5-11.
It looks good right now, but let's see the whole thing first. [/quote]
I disagree and here's why -doesnt matter record going forward imo -DG had the best offseason Draft/trade/FreeAgency and in season additions of any GM this year -he wont win but this will go down as one of the best.
Good Name - prove me wrong.
Premature. When everyone was clamoring for his head at 1-7, I said it doesn't look good now, but wait, the season needs to play out. We won 4 straight and everyone wants DG enshrined. The season STILL needs to play out. They don't give 3/4 season awards. They could go 0-4 or 4-0 and that changes this conversation 180 degrees. 9-7 is the moon from 5-11.
It looks good right now, but let's see the whole thing first.
I disagree and here's why -doesnt matter record going forward imo -DG had the best offseason Draft/trade/FreeAgency and in season additions of any GM this year -he wont win but this will go down as one of the best. [/quote]We have to agree to disagree. I don't judge a GM over subjective opinions on whether an individual move is good or bad. Then, come up with a overall GM draft/offseason move report card. Silly and an endless conversation with moving goal posts.
I judge executives from a higher orbit. It is win or GTFO. You get time. I feel the right number is 3 years. If the Giants end up 5-11 there is nothing you could tell me that could convince me he had anything other than a bad year. Think about what going 0-4 the rest of the way out would feel like.