Should Gettleman Win GM of the year?

Giants are unlikely to finish with a winning record in a division where everyone will likely be under .500. The Raiders are doing far better and this is not just media love. Chris Ballard in Indy also deserves credit plucking Rivers off the scrap heap and leading AFC South. I am sure Pittsburgh GM will get a lot of praise as they will likely end the year with the best regular season record.

just wow

Have you seen the Dolphins this season?

This is why BBI can't have nice things.

festivities to today. A bit early for myself, but you do you.

In comment 15057509 Jay on the Island said:

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Have you seen the Dolphins this season?

Yes but if you look at players added top to bottom this year, this is the most improved team. Grier has done a very good job.

In comment 15057509 Jay on the Island said:

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Have you seen the Dolphins this season?

or Arizona, Las Vegas, Cleveland, Tampa.

In comment 15057503 Mike in NY said:

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Giants are unlikely to finish with a winning record in a division where everyone will likely be under .500. The Raiders are doing far better and this is not just media love. Chris Ballard in Indy also deserves credit plucking Rivers off the scrap heap and leading AFC South. I am sure Pittsburgh GM will get a lot of praise as they will likely end the year with the best regular season record.

Kevin Colbert is one of the top GMs and I love what Ballard is doing with Colts. Mayock should win tho.

But absolutely not.

I also think that as a GM he is good about getting input from his coaches--this was a big fail with the past coaches and I believe we are seeing positive input from our current coaches.

He decided we needed to completely turnover our entire roster, however, when doing that you have to hit on 75% of your replacements in my opinion. Otherwise, you end up with a replacement team that is different but not necessarily good. I think when he started and in part trying to help win while rebuilding, he was under 50% hit. this led to coaching changes and the need to really start the rebuild. I think we are now seeing us hit closer to the 75% or more and part of that is the coaches doing a great job.

So, I like him and do not think the world is falling if he stays another year, but no way GM of the year candidate.

In comment 15057523 chick310 said:

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In comment 15057509 Jay on the Island said: Quote: Have you seen the Dolphins this season? or Arizona, Las Vegas, Cleveland, Tampa.

AZ best signing, LV i said Mike should win, Cleveland is still living off Dorseys picks, Tampa no

In comment 15057523 chick310 said:

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In comment 15057509 Jay on the Island said: Quote: Have you seen the Dolphins this season? or Arizona, Las Vegas, Cleveland, Tampa.

How about Indy too. What if Washington wins the division?

In comment 15057525 Giantimistic said:

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But absolutely not. I also think that as a GM he is good about getting input from his coaches--this was a big fail with the past coaches and I believe we are seeing positive input from our current coaches. He decided we needed to completely turnover our entire roster, however, when doing that you have to hit on 75% of your replacements in my opinion. Otherwise, you end up with a replacement team that is different but not necessarily good. I think when he started and in part trying to help win while rebuilding, he was under 50% hit. this led to coaching changes and the need to really start the rebuild. I think we are now seeing us hit closer to the 75% or more and part of that is the coaches doing a great job. So, I like him and do not think the world is falling if he stays another year, but no way GM of the year candidate.

Fair, but you have to admit this was his best year overall and he did add up to 7 starters and thekicker

You might want to check that one out before you cast your ballot.

The Levine Toilolo call-out on the OP was also kind of humorous.

Oh how BBI turns.

You should Logan Ryan and Graham Gano to the scorecard
Great pickups

In comment 15057529 Gettledogman said:

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In comment 15057525 Giantimistic said: Quote: But absolutely not. I also think that as a GM he is good about getting input from his coaches--this was a big fail with the past coaches and I believe we are seeing positive input from our current coaches. He decided we needed to completely turnover our entire roster, however, when doing that you have to hit on 75% of your replacements in my opinion. Otherwise, you end up with a replacement team that is different but not necessarily good. I think when he started and in part trying to help win while rebuilding, he was under 50% hit. this led to coaching changes and the need to really start the rebuild. I think we are now seeing us hit closer to the 75% or more and part of that is the coaches doing a great job. So, I like him and do not think the world is falling if he stays another year, but no way GM of the year candidate. Fair, but you have to admit this was his best year overall and he did add up to 7 starters and thekicker

I do agree this is his best year so far, but part of 7 new starters is making up for not having starters in place from his previous misses. The need to have to get 7 starters would have not been needed with better prior seasons. Also, part of the need for these new players was the wants of a new coaching staff.

Phillip Rivers was on the scrap heap?

In comment 15057536 Archer said:

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You should Logan Ryan and Graham Gano to the scorecard Great pickups

Wow your right, Excellent points.

In comment 15057516 Britt in VA said:

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Haha exactly. While this thread is pretty silly, I love the effort to trigger the BBI know it all crowd, who are no doubt very aggravated by everyone’s optimism

direction vs. the other direction.

In comment 15057536 Archer said:

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You should Logan Ryan and Graham Gano to the scorecard Great pickups

I really like Logan Ryan and hope he is back next year. The question for me is, does he sign here if we didn't have Judge as the coach.

Giants fans are typically smarter fans than fans of other teams.

The Giants are 3-7 and haven’t beaten a team with a winning record. They have been one of the worst 10 teams in the league three years running. But here is a discussion about an award for the GM.

If DG is the GM of the year for building such a good roster, then Joe Judge should be fired yesterday for not being able to win with such an impressive roster.

In comment 15057540 Gettledogman said:

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In comment 15057536 Archer said: Quote: You should Logan Ryan and Graham Gano to the scorecard Great pickups Wow your right, Excellent points.

They were good pickups and Giants should get some credit for that. But its not like either was on their radar until Rosas was arrested and several guys in the secondary became worthless. Partial credit works.

In comment 15057520 Gettledogman said:

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In comment 15057509 Jay on the Island said: Quote: Have you seen the Dolphins this season? Yes but if you look at players added top to bottom this year, this is the most improved team. Grier has done a very good job.

No the Dolphins have added far more talent. They were the least talented team in football last season after trading away almost every good player they had. The Ereck Flowers signing was the only poor decision they made this offseason.

I always knew this board was bipolar. I am a DG fan and have been for awhile

In comment 15057506 Eric from BBI said:

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just wow

+infinity

This isn’t a political thread
Not allowed

But if you look at objectively what's happened, come hell or high water the ship looks to have righted.

*Barkley

*Jones at QB who looks to be calming down IMO

*A young 5-man OL in place that fans seem excited about

*A very good, young Defense in the making

*Outstanding special teams. IMO the Giants win the special teams battle every week.

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You may not give him credit for all of this, but it's hard to paint a picture where he deserves to get fired. This looks like a very good team heading into 2021. Why get rid of the GM in that scenario? Seems like all his draft picks are "harvesting" just in time.

If no reason other than it can be a special place for Gettleman supporters & defenders alike to come and revel with one another.

If the goal is to seek awards for a team that is 3-7, the legitimate candidates are Judge and Graham.

Judge for HCOTY and Graham for ACOTY.

They are demonstrating they be able to make chicken salad.

I can only imagine the potential upside of this organization if Judge could chose his own players.

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But if you look at objectively what's happened, come hell or high water the ship looks to have righted. *Barkley *Jones at QB who looks to be calming down IMO *A young 5-man OL in place that fans seem excited about *A very good, young Defense in the making *Outstanding special teams. IMO the Giants win the special teams battle every week. ----------- You may not give him credit for all of this, but it's hard to paint a picture where he deserves to get fired. This looks like a very good team heading into 2021. Why get rid of the GM in that scenario? Seems like all his draft picks are "harvesting" just in time.

This team is 3-7 in the worst division in the history of the NFL.

In comment 15057567 mittenedman said:

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But if you look at objectively what's happened, come hell or high water the ship looks to have righted. *Barkley *Jones at QB who looks to be calming down IMO *A young 5-man OL in place that fans seem excited about *A very good, young Defense in the making *Outstanding special teams. IMO the Giants win the special teams battle every week. ----------- You may not give him credit for all of this, but it's hard to paint a picture where he deserves to get fired. This looks like a very good team heading into 2021. Why get rid of the GM in that scenario? Seems like all his draft picks are "harvesting" just in time.

Apologies...didn't you forget to type the objective portion you were referring to?

What an absurd post. No, he shouldn't. Not even close. Team wins a couple games and people are going off the rails.

Making an argument based on a list of all the things that happened without any real evidence supporting they were all good moves, is like saying Daniel Jones should be league MVP and then listing out the schedule.

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What an absurd post. No, he shouldn't. Not even close. Team wins a couple games and people are going off the rails.

so you disagree with the FA pickups and draft as being highly helpful to rebuilding the team?

In comment 15057592 christian said:

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Making an argument based on a list of all the things that happened without any real evidence supporting they were all good moves, is like saying Daniel Jones should be league MVP and then listing out the schedule.

So you dont see an improvement in play and talent on the team? FYI DJ new coach new coordinator neww offense NO Pre season his 2nd yr. new OL and lost best weapon -give him a break

In comment 15057506 Eric from BBI said:

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just wow

So your not impressed with his work this year?

In comment 15057573 bw in dc said:

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If the goal is to seek awards for a team that is 3-7, the legitimate candidates are Judge and Graham. Judge for HCOTY and Graham for ACOTY. They are demonstrating they be able to make chicken salad. I can only imagine the potential upside of this organization if Judge could chose his own players.

I love the coaching staff and what they have been able to do in such a short time, but my point is it has been an impressive yr for Dave

still 3-7, right? Just checking...

Or drinking.

In comment 15057576 Mike from SI said:

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In comment 15057567 mittenedman said: Quote: But if you look at objectively what's happened, come hell or high water the ship looks to have righted. *Barkley *Jones at QB who looks to be calming down IMO *A young 5-man OL in place that fans seem excited about *A very good, young Defense in the making *Outstanding special teams. IMO the Giants win the special teams battle every week. ----------- You may not give him credit for all of this, but it's hard to paint a picture where he deserves to get fired. This looks like a very good team heading into 2021. Why get rid of the GM in that scenario? Seems like all his draft picks are "harvesting" just in time. This team is 3-7 in the worst division in the history of the NFL.

The record will get better now that the team is getting better -still far from where it needs to go but without a doubt it has turned and fast heading in the right direction. This offseason was a big reason why.

Are soft and not quality. Looking at you GB. BAL in trouble, AZ we shall see. We played Tompa very tough and same with Pit. This team is going to be hard to play against. FYI we beat WFT and now they are starting to look pretty improved too no? Eagles Dal have QB issues.

Way better than the John Jerry guy. (Although they may be the same person, maybe he stepped up his game!)

a pretty decent offseason.

Though bringing it to reality, if this team makes it to the playoffs with this bad roster, the only guy getting an award should be Joe Judge. And everybody in the front office, including Gettleman, should thank Judge if they keep their jobs another season.

In comment 15057612 Gettledogman said:

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In comment 15057573 bw in dc said: Quote: If the goal is to seek awards for a team that is 3-7, the legitimate candidates are Judge and Graham. Judge for HCOTY and Graham for ACOTY. They are demonstrating they be able to make chicken salad. I can only imagine the potential upside of this organization if Judge could chose his own players. I love the coaching staff and what they have been able to do in such a short time, but my point is it has been an impressive yr for Dave

You should be impressed with the coaching staff.

And just leave your desire to be impressed right there. Don't expand it to include DG, Mara, Tisch, Abrams...whomever in the front office.

The competitiveness of this team is a blend of Judge and his staff; and the worst division in the history of the sport. Nothing more.

Two teams, each with only three wins themselves. And people are talking about how solid this team is? This isn’t a rationale point of view any more than the “cut and fire everyone” threads after every loss.

I think this board needs a GH category for threads - Giants Hyperbole. Then folks can start threads like “are the Giants the best team in the league?” or “Will we ever draft outside the top 3 again?”

Finding a rationale Giant fan these days is like looking for a leprechaun riding a unicorn.

So I'm not sure why anyone is bothering to respond.

Then again, even if he (or someone else) had started a "Gettleman sucks and should be fired" thread, my guess is the same people (on both sides) would show up and post the same things they do on all DG threads.

You're a sick man

is essentially reserved for decent teams that kill the draft and FA to get them to next level. He could be in the running next year if he’s still here and kills it again (don’t see it happening, but theoretically they could collapse down the stretch).