Why would the Knicks do this deal? They got three guys who will likely never come to the US. Knicks did not get additional cap space, and they didn’t receive any real assets. I guess these guys could be a throw in a deal but none of them are attractive assets on their own.
Any other guesses as to why they helped the Rockets?
Due to some weird CBA loopholes, if the kicks signed him outright they would only be able to do one voidable year. Now they can do 2 voidable years so it’s a 3 year deal and only 1 year is guaranteed.
Thankfully camp opens Monday, so I can focus on the young Knicks instead.
I am too, but I gotta say, I'm sick of all the Toppin dunks. Sure it shows athleticism and dunks can be exciting, but they're gimme buckets. Nothing challenging or revealing about a guy with a straight lane to the basket and no one defending him.
Why would the Knicks do this deal? They got three guys who will likely never come to the US. Knicks did not get additional cap space, and they didn’t receive any real assets. I guess these guys could be a throw in a deal but none of them are attractive assets on their own.
Any other guesses as to why they helped the Rockets?
Rights to players are assets. What matters is how other teams view them. If you're not trading picks, cash, or players, player rights are tradeable too.
Why would the Knicks do this deal? They got three guys who will likely never come to the US. Knicks did not get additional cap space, and they didn’t receive any real assets. I guess these guys could be a throw in a deal but none of them are attractive assets on their own.
Any other guesses as to why they helped the Rockets?
Rights to players are assets. What matters is how other teams view them. If you're not trading picks, cash, or players, player rights are tradeable too.
Do they count as part of the salary cap? Otherwise, what was the point for Houston?
Why would the Knicks do this deal? They got three guys who will likely never come to the US. Knicks did not get additional cap space, and they didn’t receive any real assets. I guess these guys could be a throw in a deal but none of them are attractive assets on their own.
Any other guesses as to why they helped the Rockets?
Rights to players are assets. What matters is how other teams view them. If you're not trading picks, cash, or players, player rights are tradeable too.
Do they count as part of the salary cap? Otherwise, what was the point for Houston?
Houston is cash strapped. They get a trade exception.
On Wikipedia, it says Sanon was a strong "Draft and Stash" player
He's only 21. Sounds like he has more of a chance to make the NBA than any of the Euro prospects we have.
JB
@JeffreyBellone
With the Austin Rivers sign-and-trade complete, I believe the Knicks currently hold draft rights on these players:
Sergio Llull
Tadija Dragicevic
Alex Hervelle
Mathias Lessort
Ante Tomic
Ognjen Jaramaz
Louis Labeyrie
"Why did the number go so high? One major factor in speaking to people familiar with the process: the New York Knicks. Tom Thibodeau and crew are in desperate need of a talent upgrade to the roster, and a 24-year-old shooting guard who hit 42.6 percent of his 3s with the Wolves last season would certainly qualify as an upgrade.
Sources say the Knicks’ first priority for a wing was to get Gordon Hayward and that they told Beasley if they missed out they were coming after him. The Knicks had the cap space, and it would be conceivable that Thibs wouldn’t have minded stealing away a player the Wolves gave up a first-round pick for at the trade deadline....So rather than wait to see if the Knicks were going to extend an offer, which very well could have come since they did miss out on Hayward, Beasley agreed to terms on the spot.....And whether the Knicks were bluffing or not, there was genuine belief within the Wolves that a bigger offer was coming if they didn’t get out in front of it." Link - ( New Window )
RE: RE: I'm already getting hooked on the prospect highlight videos.
I am too, but I gotta say, I'm sick of all the Toppin dunks. Sure it shows athleticism and dunks can be exciting, but they're gimme buckets. Nothing challenging or revealing about a guy with a straight lane to the basket and no one defending him.
I actually meant NEXT year's prospects, but yeah I've checked out Toppin and Quickley, too. I was pretty familiar with them by the time the draft came around.
It feels like the Rockets were waiting on Lull for 20 years
Due to the sign-and-trade and early Bird rights means Rivers can’t be traded until March 3rd at the earliest so he will play at least the full season with the Knicks.
So the Knicks picked up three Euros to add to the two they already have: Sergio Llull
Tadija Dragicevic
Alex Hervelle
Mathias Lessort
Ante Tomic
Ognjen Jaramaz
Louis Labeyrie
For “future deals.” This is clearly an unimportant move (unless for some unknown reason Llull comes over to the NBA at 33 — unlikely)
Been an underwhelming offseason thus far. I also think they need to trade Randle. They did not draft Toppin, who will be 23 in March, to sit on the bench. He was drafted because he is ready to contribute now.
I also think they need to trade Randle. They did not draft Toppin, who will be 23 in March, to sit on the bench. He was drafted because he is ready to contribute now.
Agree - it's hard to see Randle and Toppin on the court at the same time, unless Randle's playing C in a small-ball lineup - and that would not be intimidating interior defense, to put it mildly. Toppin should be the #1 option offensively from the get-go. Hard to see where Randle fits in, but maybe Thibs can make it work somehow.
RE: RE: RE: I'm already getting hooked on the prospect highlight videos.
I am too, but I gotta say, I'm sick of all the Toppin dunks. Sure it shows athleticism and dunks can be exciting, but they're gimme buckets. Nothing challenging or revealing about a guy with a straight lane to the basket and no one defending him.
I actually meant NEXT year's prospects, but yeah I've checked out Toppin and Quickley, too. I was pretty familiar with them by the time the draft came around.
BTW, Suggs is Exhibit A for why it’s terrible for high school players to not be able to go into the draft immediately. He’s also Exhibit A for why going to college is better than the G League or some foreign league for a season. He’s already gotten more exposure and hype than a guy like RJ Hampton got the entire time he was overseas.
BTW, Suggs is Exhibit A for why it’s terrible for high school players to not be able to go into the draft immediately. He’s also Exhibit A for why going to college is better than the G League or some foreign league for a season. He’s already gotten more exposure and hype than a guy like RJ Hampton got the entire time he was overseas.
Why is it better than going to the G-League? He'd be playing against grown men in the G-League. Excited to see what Jalen Green and Kuminga can do.
BTW, Suggs is Exhibit A for why it’s terrible for high school players to not be able to go into the draft immediately. He’s also Exhibit A for why going to college is better than the G League or some foreign league for a season. He’s already gotten more exposure and hype than a guy like RJ Hampton got the entire time he was overseas.
Exposure to you, American basketball fan, is not the same as exposure to scouts, who get to watch these guys play against professionals in Europe or elsewhere.
BTW, Suggs is Exhibit A for why it’s terrible for high school players to not be able to go into the draft immediately. He’s also Exhibit A for why going to college is better than the G League or some foreign league for a season. He’s already gotten more exposure and hype than a guy like RJ Hampton got the entire time he was overseas.
Exposure to you, American basketball fan, is not the same as exposure to scouts, who get to watch these guys play against professionals in Europe or elsewhere.
None of these guys who go overseas get to play in leagues like the one Luka played in.
I know he’s 33 and most likely not coming to play to the NBA to play for an awful Knicks team this year. But this guy is a real player. He would be the Knicks best player. Would love for Leon to give it a shot...
“The New York Knicks are signing Michael Kidd-Gilchrist to a one-year contract, a source tells ESPN.
Kidd-Gilchrist gives New York someone who can guard multiple positions. He was one of the better defensive players that was still on the free agent board.”
“The New York Knicks are signing Michael Kidd-Gilchrist to a one-year contract, a source tells ESPN.
Kidd-Gilchrist gives New York someone who can guard multiple positions. He was one of the better defensive players that was still on the free agent board.”
So looks like more moves are coming
Steve Popper
@StevePopper
Kidd-Gilchrist, a former No. 2 overall pick, is signing with Knicks as ESPN reported. But hearing it's an Exhibit 10 deal with training camp invite. Knicks have their 2-way deals filled now, but can make moves - waive, trade someone to make room.
Color me absolutely shocked that we didn't sign Willie Cauley-Stein
I mean if we're going with Kentucky busts, he has to be up there.
Meanwhile, did I miss Greg chiming in on the Rivers acquisition? He absolutely HATES Austin Rivers. Rough day yesterday for him. First the Rivers trade and then Virginia getting upset by San Francisco.
really not so sure another move is actually coming.
Spellman and Evans can be cut easily. So can Bullock for that matter.
Kind of hoping we give Spellman a shot. He was sooo good at Nova. I still think there's some untapped potential there. And I think we'll need Bullock's 3P shooting.
Again he will ben er be a superstar, but he is someone who can be a good spark off the bench, he can shoot, he will play hard and he will make the right play.
If knicks wait to sign Payton to the exception then they have 23.3 million in cap space. Could they include bullock in sign and trade with Boston and Charlotte to either of those teams and have enough to then take on batum? In this scenario it seems like the Knicks would have enough space although it not sure Boston would want bullock so they may have to ship him somewhere else with a 2nd rd pick and pick up a protected first from Charlotte.
The bigger question is where can Randle go? Unless the Knicks tell him he is coming off the bench and playing 15-20 min a night max then I have no idea what they are going to do with him.
If knicks wait to sign Payton to the exception then they have 23.3 million in cap space. Could they include bullock in sign and trade with Boston and Charlotte to either of those teams and have enough to then take on batum? In this scenario it seems like the Knicks would have enough space although it not sure Boston would want bullock so they may have to ship him somewhere else with a 2nd rd pick and pick up a protected first from Charlotte.
The bigger question is where can Randle go? Unless the Knicks tell him he is coming off the bench and playing 15-20 min a night max then I have no idea what they are going to do with him.
Call me crazy, but I would love it if we signed Thon Maker and/or
So 10 lottery picks on this team. And not only are we not good, most expect us to be awful. NBA draft is the biggest crap shoot.
true, however just about all of them were outside the top 3. I'm stating the obvious, but your odds of getting a star are much higher at the very very top of the draft. It becomes very difficult (not impossible) after only a few picks. Look at the history of picks 6-10. It's littered with guys that never even sniffed an all star team.
Knicks don’t even have a decent point guard let alone a good one and haven’t had decent one in years. With the high picks they’ve had, is it asking too much to get a decent PG?
Any other guesses as to why they helped the Rockets?
You always have to send something to a team in a trade, this gives them some extra "somethings" that have no value
30 games this season?
@SBondyNYDN
Knicks preseason schedule:
Dec. 11: @ Detroit
Dec. 13: @ Detroit
Dec. 16: vs. Cleveland
Dec. 18: vs. Cleveland
30 games this season?
Seems nearly impossible in a 72-game season - probably closer to 25. I think Vegas has the over/under at 22.5.
I am too, but I gotta say, I'm sick of all the Toppin dunks. Sure it shows athleticism and dunks can be exciting, but they're gimme buckets. Nothing challenging or revealing about a guy with a straight lane to the basket and no one defending him.
Any other guesses as to why they helped the Rockets?
Rights to players are assets. What matters is how other teams view them. If you're not trading picks, cash, or players, player rights are tradeable too.
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Why would the Knicks do this deal? They got three guys who will likely never come to the US. Knicks did not get additional cap space, and they didn’t receive any real assets. I guess these guys could be a throw in a deal but none of them are attractive assets on their own.
Any other guesses as to why they helped the Rockets?
Rights to players are assets. What matters is how other teams view them. If you're not trading picks, cash, or players, player rights are tradeable too.
Do they count as part of the salary cap? Otherwise, what was the point for Houston?
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Why would the Knicks do this deal? They got three guys who will likely never come to the US. Knicks did not get additional cap space, and they didn’t receive any real assets. I guess these guys could be a throw in a deal but none of them are attractive assets on their own.
Any other guesses as to why they helped the Rockets?
Rights to players are assets. What matters is how other teams view them. If you're not trading picks, cash, or players, player rights are tradeable too.
Do they count as part of the salary cap? Otherwise, what was the point for Houston?
Houston is cash strapped. They get a trade exception.
JB
@JeffreyBellone
With the Austin Rivers sign-and-trade complete, I believe the Knicks currently hold draft rights on these players:
Sergio Llull
Tadija Dragicevic
Alex Hervelle
Mathias Lessort
Ante Tomic
Ognjen Jaramaz
Louis Labeyrie
"Why did the number go so high? One major factor in speaking to people familiar with the process: the New York Knicks. Tom Thibodeau and crew are in desperate need of a talent upgrade to the roster, and a 24-year-old shooting guard who hit 42.6 percent of his 3s with the Wolves last season would certainly qualify as an upgrade.
Sources say the Knicks’ first priority for a wing was to get Gordon Hayward and that they told Beasley if they missed out they were coming after him. The Knicks had the cap space, and it would be conceivable that Thibs wouldn’t have minded stealing away a player the Wolves gave up a first-round pick for at the trade deadline....So rather than wait to see if the Knicks were going to extend an offer, which very well could have come since they did miss out on Hayward, Beasley agreed to terms on the spot.....And whether the Knicks were bluffing or not, there was genuine belief within the Wolves that a bigger offer was coming if they didn’t get out in front of it."
Link - ( New Window )
I actually meant NEXT year's prospects, but yeah I've checked out Toppin and Quickley, too. I was pretty familiar with them by the time the draft came around.
So the Knicks picked up three Euros to add to the two they already have: Sergio Llull
Tadija Dragicevic
Alex Hervelle
Mathias Lessort
Ante Tomic
Ognjen Jaramaz
Louis Labeyrie
For “future deals.” This is clearly an unimportant move (unless for some unknown reason Llull comes over to the NBA at 33 — unlikely)
Been an underwhelming offseason thus far. I also think they need to trade Randle. They did not draft Toppin, who will be 23 in March, to sit on the bench. He was drafted because he is ready to contribute now.
Agree - it's hard to see Randle and Toppin on the court at the same time, unless Randle's playing C in a small-ball lineup - and that would not be intimidating interior defense, to put it mildly. Toppin should be the #1 option offensively from the get-go. Hard to see where Randle fits in, but maybe Thibs can make it work somehow.
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I am too, but I gotta say, I'm sick of all the Toppin dunks. Sure it shows athleticism and dunks can be exciting, but they're gimme buckets. Nothing challenging or revealing about a guy with a straight lane to the basket and no one defending him.
I actually meant NEXT year's prospects, but yeah I've checked out Toppin and Quickley, too. I was pretty familiar with them by the time the draft came around.
Cunningham or Suggs!
BTW, Suggs is Exhibit A for why it’s terrible for high school players to not be able to go into the draft immediately. He’s also Exhibit A for why going to college is better than the G League or some foreign league for a season. He’s already gotten more exposure and hype than a guy like RJ Hampton got the entire time he was overseas.
30 games this season?
No. But the '21 draft is stacked so if we're going to suck, might as well really suck this year.
BTW, Suggs is Exhibit A for why it’s terrible for high school players to not be able to go into the draft immediately. He’s also Exhibit A for why going to college is better than the G League or some foreign league for a season. He’s already gotten more exposure and hype than a guy like RJ Hampton got the entire time he was overseas.
Why is it better than going to the G-League? He'd be playing against grown men in the G-League. Excited to see what Jalen Green and Kuminga can do.
BTW, Suggs is Exhibit A for why it’s terrible for high school players to not be able to go into the draft immediately. He’s also Exhibit A for why going to college is better than the G League or some foreign league for a season. He’s already gotten more exposure and hype than a guy like RJ Hampton got the entire time he was overseas.
Exposure to you, American basketball fan, is not the same as exposure to scouts, who get to watch these guys play against professionals in Europe or elsewhere.
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What a time to be a Zags fan.
BTW, Suggs is Exhibit A for why it’s terrible for high school players to not be able to go into the draft immediately. He’s also Exhibit A for why going to college is better than the G League or some foreign league for a season. He’s already gotten more exposure and hype than a guy like RJ Hampton got the entire time he was overseas.
Exposure to you, American basketball fan, is not the same as exposure to scouts, who get to watch these guys play against professionals in Europe or elsewhere.
None of these guys who go overseas get to play in leagues like the one Luka played in.
Knicka are either going to make a trade to fill up their cap or sign Payton now and roll the space into the year..
Either way today could be very busy
Kidd-Gilchrist gives New York someone who can guard multiple positions. He was one of the better defensive players that was still on the free agent board.”
So looks like more moves are coming
Kidd-Gilchrist gives New York someone who can guard multiple positions. He was one of the better defensive players that was still on the free agent board.”
So looks like more moves are coming
Steve Popper
@StevePopper
Kidd-Gilchrist, a former No. 2 overall pick, is signing with Knicks as ESPN reported. But hearing it's an Exhibit 10 deal with training camp invite. Knicks have their 2-way deals filled now, but can make moves - waive, trade someone to make room.
Meanwhile, did I miss Greg chiming in on the Rivers acquisition? He absolutely HATES Austin Rivers. Rough day yesterday for him. First the Rivers trade and then Virginia getting upset by San Francisco.
RJ - 3rd pick
MKG - 3rd pick
Noel - 6th pick
Randle - 7th pick
Frank - 8th pick
Knox - 9th pick
DSJ 9th pick
Rivers - 10th pick
Elf - 10th pick
Burks - 12 pick
So 10 lottery picks on this team. And not only are we not good, most expect us to be awful. NBA draft is the biggest crap shoot.
RJ - 3rd pick
MKG - 3rd pick
Noel - 6th pick
Randle - 7th pick
Frank - 8th pick
Knox - 9th pick
DSJ 9th pick
Rivers - 10th pick
Elf - 10th pick
Burks - 12 pick
So 10 lottery picks on this team. And not only are we not good, most expect us to be awful. NBA draft is the biggest crap shoot.
Indeed. I mean we have three top-10 picks at PG and we still have the worst PG situation in the league.
Spellman and Evans can be cut easily. So can Bullock for that matter.
Spellman and Evans can be cut easily. So can Bullock for that matter.
Kind of hoping we give Spellman a shot. He was sooo good at Nova. I still think there's some untapped potential there. And I think we'll need Bullock's 3P shooting.
The bigger question is where can Randle go? Unless the Knicks tell him he is coming off the bench and playing 15-20 min a night max then I have no idea what they are going to do with him.
The bigger question is where can Randle go? Unless the Knicks tell him he is coming off the bench and playing 15-20 min a night max then I have no idea what they are going to do with him.
RJ - 3rd pick
MKG - 3rd pick
Noel - 6th pick
Randle - 7th pick
Frank - 8th pick
Knox - 9th pick
DSJ 9th pick
Rivers - 10th pick
Elf - 10th pick
Burks - 12 pick
So 10 lottery picks on this team. And not only are we not good, most expect us to be awful. NBA draft is the biggest crap shoot.
true, however just about all of them were outside the top 3. I'm stating the obvious, but your odds of getting a star are much higher at the very very top of the draft. It becomes very difficult (not impossible) after only a few picks. Look at the history of picks 6-10. It's littered with guys that never even sniffed an all star team.
Yep, and we officially announced the Payton signing. The tank rolls forward.