gameplan. We had 380 yards of offense. Cincy had 150.
We had the ball for 36 minutes to 22 minutes for Cincy.
We had 19 first downs to Cincy's 11 (and had a 3:1 ratio when Jones was injured)
We had 9 third down conversions.
You guys can keep trying to say the offense was poor, but you really aren't making a very compelling case. Jones stays in that game, we win by two TD's
Deserve a standing ovation for te effort put in to try and get them Cowboys into first place with only 1 team. Pretty sickening ending if you ask me. The league is bordering on being fixed now.
How does a league "border" on being fixed? Either it is or it isn't.
Bad calls and incompetence makes a lot more sense than a multi-billion dollar enterprise risking its reputation by fixing games to benefit the 2-7-1 Bengals or the 3-8 Cowboys.
don't know why Garrett is taking shit. What kind of gameplan was he supposed to have? We ran the ball well. We more than doubled the Cincy output. We valued possession of the ball and just missed a TD to Slayton and did hit two downfield plays when we took the shot.
Agree. Actually thought he called a good game. McCoy made some ugly throws on what were actually good calls. Also the OL was unable to open holes because Cindy knew McCoy could not beat them through the air. If its a hamstring Jones could be done for several weeks.
Agree about Garrett. Just because a play fails, doesn't mean it is a bad call.
I've though Garrett has done a great job this year, just has a tremendous feel for the game as far as playcalling goes, but today wasn't good. Had no issue for him going for some big stuff early, we get those plays and Bengals have no chance with that offensive unit. But going a little further into game it was clear we should have been going more straight. Plus having Colt McCoy throw on 3 and 15 at like the 25 was criminal with him just coming into game and it almost cost us the game, easy pick dropped. There was some other shit, but the coaches (other than Graham) have a lot of things to fix after this one.
gameplan. We had 380 yards of offense. Cincy had 150.
We had the ball for 36 minutes to 22 minutes for Cincy.
We had 19 first downs to Cincy's 11 (and had a 3:1 ratio when Jones was injured)
We had 9 third down conversions.
You guys can keep trying to say the offense was poor, but you really aren't making a very compelling case. Jones stays in that game, we win by two TD's
Yeh people are way off on that. I said a little before halftime, this is the type of game where we are down 3 at half and then win going away in the second based on what I saw that far. DJ getting hurt changed that arithmetic a bit. And we still moved the ball better than them and McCoy was only good at evading the rush today, only positive on his review. Which is fine for a backup coming in, don't turn it over and don't take sacks.
Yeah, they did not look great but they got to win. For a young team that is probably a better result because they realize how much work they have to do instead of getting big heads and thinking they are better than what they are.
gameplan. We had 380 yards of offense. Cincy had 150.
We had the ball for 36 minutes to 22 minutes for Cincy.
We had 19 first downs to Cincy's 11 (and had a 3:1 ratio when Jones was injured)
We had 9 third down conversions.
You guys can keep trying to say the offense was poor, but you really aren't making a very compelling case. Jones stays in that game, we win by two TD's
It's also why I liked them going for some big time trick plays early. We get a few easy ones early and the Bengals have zero chance to play catch up. Didn't work, but I understand why they did it.
don't know why Garrett is taking shit. What kind of gameplan was he supposed to have? We ran the ball well. We more than doubled the Cincy output. We valued possession of the ball and just missed a TD to Slayton and did hit two downfield plays when we took the shot.
Poor clock management and risking the only QB you have left with runs. The sideline QB sweep saved the Bengals a timeout. Without that, another 30-40 seconds is run off of the clock.
That's on McCoy. No reason to go OOB there at all. He was moving upfield.
gameplan. We had 380 yards of offense. Cincy had 150.
We had the ball for 36 minutes to 22 minutes for Cincy.
We had 19 first downs to Cincy's 11 (and had a 3:1 ratio when Jones was injured)
We had 9 third down conversions.
You guys can keep trying to say the offense was poor, but you really aren't making a very compelling case. Jones stays in that game, we win by two TD's
They scored a whopping 19 points, 13 of them with Jones (I think, can't remember what the score was when he went out). Against a defense as bad as Cincinnati, that's not very good.
And we needed to do something to gurantee a few yards, to give us
play. In that situation, the only thing that mattered is using up clock. The QB sweep would take a few more seconds than anything else, so long as the QB did his job and went down inbounds.
gameplan. We had 380 yards of offense. Cincy had 150.
We had the ball for 36 minutes to 22 minutes for Cincy.
We had 19 first downs to Cincy's 11 (and had a 3:1 ratio when Jones was injured)
We had 9 third down conversions.
You guys can keep trying to say the offense was poor, but you really aren't making a very compelling case. Jones stays in that game, we win by two TD's
They scored a whopping 19 points, 13 of them with Jones (I think, can't remember what the score was when he went out). Against a defense as bad as Cincinnati, that's not very good.
That wasn’t on Jones. Engram fumbled in scoring territory and Slayton dropping the ball.
Any win is a good win. D was outstanding. DJ played mistake free again. Special teams play was uncharacteristically bad, but that is an aberration. Arrow is still pointing up.
When the Giants were perennial playoff contenders a win like this would be upsetting. Can’t understand why anyone wouldn’t feel good about this win for a team that is ascending and struggling to be a decent team. We are not that far away.
This was 100 percent on design. The problem was the LW penalty. If he doesn't make that, it cost about 40 seconds as long as that 15 they needed to get was in the field of play, which of course you keep shit inside. Dumb, dumb penalty from a guy who has mostly shown to be a smart player.
I took Giants -5.5 and I knew they weren't going to cover when they went up 9 looking at timeouts and exactly how much time they had left. Not unless we forced a turnover or sack. They have the skilly players to dink and dunk down field.
Gurantee LW gets fucking spit roasted in the film room.
I didn't mind the flag in the PI in the end zone. I thought it was PI.
The lengths the league goes to protect QBs is just preposterous. LW merely pushed Allen. He didn't hit or tackle him. Allen acted like he got shot by the shooter on the grassy knoll...So that call really bothered me.
I don't know why anybody blames Graham for his calls on the TD drive.
At that point in the game, the clock was all that mattered. Let the Bengals complete 10-15 yard passes, and we're fine. But Williams's penalty gave them the Bengals 15 free yards and stopped the clock. Without that, they couldn't have thrown to the endzone in hopes of getting a DPI.
As long as we got the ball back with a "normal" amount of time, we could have run out the clock.
Slayton play should have been a TD
McCoy overthrew Lewis for a sure TD on a very good call.
We ran the ball effectively against a stacked defense.
Gallman continues to shine.
Engram is MR. Inconsistent
Hopefully Peart can play next in place of Fleming who was trying to handle the win the the Bengels.
Special teams better clean up their act fast.
Giants really need a number 1 WR.
Deserve a standing ovation for te effort put in to try and get them Cowboys into first place with only 1 team. Pretty sickening ending if you ask me. The league is bordering on being fixed now.
How does a league "border" on being fixed? Either it is or it isn't.
Bad calls and incompetence makes a lot more sense than a multi-billion dollar enterprise risking its reputation by fixing games to benefit the 2-7-1 Bengals or the 3-8 Cowboys.
^This. At the expense of one of two teams from the largest market in the United States. It's laughable really.
gameplan. We had 380 yards of offense. Cincy had 150.
We had the ball for 36 minutes to 22 minutes for Cincy.
We had 19 first downs to Cincy's 11 (and had a 3:1 ratio when Jones was injured)
We had 9 third down conversions.
You guys can keep trying to say the offense was poor, but you really aren't making a very compelling case. Jones stays in that game, we win by two TD's
how dare you deviate from the "agreed upon" consensus and narrative...
Go easy on Fleming. I had the Giants Defense in fantasy football and his last penalty enabled them to pick up a sack and fumble recovery for my fantasy team!
are games we have lost in the past. So, although it was ugly.. we have to embrace the fact that they pulled it out.
You think that's because of some measurable increase in talent/coaching or just a favorable dice roll? I think today could easily fall into the latter category.
You're saying Cincinatti deserved to win? I don't think so, they got outplayed.
Saw countless games similar to this one in the Parcells era.
Winning, when you are the idiot making mistakes like a KR TD, getting called for stupid or bad end zone penalties, dumb fumbles like Engram's for a 6 point swing...
Winning despite all those errors takes good coaching, and solid defense.
I've never seen a team do less than the Bengals and have a chance to win. A KR for a TD, a bad turnover by the Giants deep in scoring range, a bad hold by the Giants and a bad PI call in the end zone and they almost won.
They did one good thing: their opening KR. Other than that they did nothing. And almost won.
What a tragedy it would've been to lose that game.
For those griping about the special teams - the Bengals quietly have outstanding specials. Their KR lead the league last year, and they can cover. That snap on the fake punt was pretty damn good - I've never seen that before. They almost did just enough to bullshit a win.
Jason Garrett was really upset over the Columbo firing.
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That’s the only explanation for some of the play calls. Then when he made a decent play call, Cam Fleming acted like Cam Fleming.
So you're thinking Jason Garret intentionally called a bad game? As revenge?
Sarcasm isn’t your friend. This isn’t the game thread... people aren’t that crazy here.
Uhmm, YOU were being sarcastic ( we assume, as you wouldn't answer the man's querry directly), not the guy who asked if you were serious. Seems it's you sarcasm doesn't play well for.
My point is that I don't agree with the implication that the offense was just humming along great until Jones got hurt.
But we were humming along pretty well. We had 250+ yards when Jones got hurt and we had converted over 50% of our 3rd down conversions. When Jones left the game, the Giants had outgained the Bengals more than 2 to 1, had 3:1 ratio of first downs and held the ball twice as long. and that was still with Engram fumbling in the red zone.
I'm pretty sure the gameplan going into the week was to control the ball, give the Bengals long fields to work with and not make mistakes.
My point is that I don't agree with the implication that the offense was just humming along great until Jones got hurt.
But we were humming along pretty well. We had 250+ yards when Jones got hurt and we had converted over 50% of our 3rd down conversions. When Jones left the game, the Giants had outgained the Bengals more than 2 to 1, had 3:1 ratio of first downs and held the ball twice as long. and that was still with Engram fumbling in the red zone.
I'm pretty sure the gameplan going into the week was to control the ball, give the Bengals long fields to work with and not make mistakes.
Scoring points is the objective and they weren’t doing that even with Jones despite piling up yardage.
I've never seen a team do less than the Bengals and have a chance to win. A KR for a TD, a bad turnover by the Giants deep in scoring range, a bad hold by the Giants and a bad PI call in the end zone and they almost won.
They did one good thing: their opening KR. Other than that they did nothing. And almost won.
What a tragedy it would've been to lose that game.
For those griping about the special teams - the Bengals quietly have outstanding specials. Their KR lead the league last year, and they can cover. That snap on the fake punt was pretty damn good - I've never seen that before. They almost did just enough to bullshit a win.
That's part of the problem though. I know Judge likes to make them defend every play, and that's his mantra, but when you go up against a team like this and the only way they can beat you is with some major variance, like specials score, don't let them return it. Hopefully, he learns from this, but it almost seemed arrogant.
This was 100 percent on design. The problem was the LW penalty. If he doesn't make that, it cost about 40 seconds as long as that 15 they needed to get was in the field of play, which of course you keep shit inside. Dumb, dumb penalty from a guy who has mostly shown to be a smart player.
I took Giants -5.5 and I knew they weren't going to cover when they went up 9 looking at timeouts and exactly how much time they had left. Not unless we forced a turnover or sack. They have the skilly players to dink and dunk down field.
Gurantee LW gets fucking spit roasted in the film room.
I didn't mind the flag in the PI in the end zone. I thought it was PI.
The lengths the league goes to protect QBs is just preposterous. LW merely pushed Allen. He didn't hit or tackle him. Allen acted like he got shot by the shooter on the grassy knoll...So that call really bothered me.
The idea that pushing a QB is a 15 yard penalty is absurd. You want to throw a 5 yard flag and no auto first sure? But roughing the passer should be reserved for actually roughing the passer.
At it's finest... only you guys would shit on a three game winning streak.
yup. and closing out a game that they would have lost most of the last 5 years. I guess learning how to win doesn't count now.
The STs were unexpectedly poor today. That 103 yd KO return killed their momentum and gave Cincy life. And to the Bengals credit, they did not fold up despite the Burrow disaster. They came to play.
*Get a turnover with the opponent deep in scoring range, plus a big return.
*Get 2 unforced missed TDs by the Giants (the bomb to Slayton, the miss to Dion Lewis)
*Convert a fake punt.
*Get a pass interference penalty on a desperation heave into the end zone.
*Get a holding call when the opponent ices the game.
*Get a big punt return to set up the final FG drive.
That one had all the makings of a classic loss. I give the Giants credit for overcoming all that and still winning. Still shaking my head at Garrett's playcalling down the stretch.
I love the way there just has to be a list of things wrong, even in a win.
Now, despite dominating the Bengals in almost every statistic, because we didn't score more points, the offense struggled? Um oh yeah, our starting QB was hurt too.
Saw countless games similar to this one in the Parcells era.
Winning, when you are the idiot making mistakes like a KR TD, getting called for stupid or bad end zone penalties, dumb fumbles like Engram's for a 6 point swing...
Winning despite all those errors takes good coaching, and solid defense.
*Get a turnover with the opponent deep in scoring range, plus a big return.
*Get 2 unforced missed TDs by the Giants (the bomb to Slayton, the miss to Dion Lewis)
*Convert a fake punt.
*Get a pass interference penalty on a desperation heave into the end zone.
*Get a holding call when the opponent ices the game.
*Get a big punt return to set up the final FG drive.
That one had all the makings of a classic loss. I give the Giants credit for overcoming all that and still winning. Still shaking my head at Garrett's playcalling down the stretch.
Honestly was convinced we were going to lose after the LW penalty. Defense answered the bell again. Lots of pressure on them today, even considering they were going against a mash unit on offense, but they played as good as you can.
Was knowing some how Cinci would probably have a chance to win the game at the end.....and they almost did had there not been a fumble.
I bet I wasn’t alone either....I bet 90% of us here just knew they would score a TD or FG to cut it to either 1 or 6 and then we would go 3 and out and give them the ball back to win?
I love the way there just has to be a list of things wrong, even in a win.
Now, despite dominating the Bengals in almost every statistic, because we didn't score more points, the offense struggled? Um oh yeah, our starting QB was hurt too.
There is a list of things wrong in this one though. And now its compounded with a DJ moving forward with no mobility, which was a big part of our offense. Our skill players just aren't good enough for this offense to lose that. Although maybe Engram is finally rounding into form, seems to be playing with a lot more confidence. That fumble was helluva play by that Bengals guy. Don't really put that one on him, he had it secured.
As much as a No. 1 WR, they also really need a legit TE who is big, physical, and can catch consistently on the short and crossing routes. It would be a huge advantage for DJ to have that safety net, along with a defense-loosening No. 1, as you say. EE should play outside only.
All the running plays today, when EE was shown, he was flopping on the pile after the run was over. He is inept as a blocker.
Was knowing some how Cinci would probably have a chance to win the game at the end.....and they almost did had there not been a fumble.
I bet I wasn’t alone either....I bet 90% of us here just knew they would score a TD or FG to cut it to either 1 or 6 and then we would go 3 and out and give them the ball back to win?
Well obviously we knew they were going to score, that's how they attack that situation in NFL, rightly so. The thing is we got a ticky tack PI call, the Bengals didn't make any mistakes, and LW with the dumb penalty. Take away any of those and we are talking about them scoring and then having to do an onside kick.
I didn't mind the flag in the PI in the end zone. I thought it was PI.
The lengths the league goes to protect QBs is just preposterous. LW merely pushed Allen. He didn't hit or tackle him. Allen acted like he got shot by the shooter on the grassy knoll...So that call really bothered me.
The idea that pushing a QB is a 15 yard penalty is absurd. You want to throw a 5 yard flag and no auto first sure? But roughing the passer should be reserved for actually roughing the passer.
Right. There is nothing "roughing" about a push.
No helmet to helmet. Nothing low. No body slam. No hitting in the face. Etc. Etc.
First place Giants and a young team and a young HC get to play some meaningful football in December. That’s good!
My biggest kvetch is not sticking with Gallman as the feature back. I just don’t understand why Morris is getting any touches. Gallman could have had 100 rushing today if he got Morris snaps and he may well have put the game away if he ran the ball instead of that stupid sweep with McCoy. Just pound the ball with Gallman and this game probably wasn’t close at the end.
But, yeah, I’m happy the Giants are in first place. Not because I think they’re gonna make a playoff run but because they’ll keep playing meaningful football games as the season grinds on. For the first time in a long while it seems like the Giants building something and that includes winning ugly on the road, off the bye and against a lousy team.
I love the way there just has to be a list of things wrong, even in a win.
Now, despite dominating the Bengals in almost every statistic, because we didn't score more points, the offense struggled? Um oh yeah, our starting QB was hurt too.
Does not finishing drives even when Jones was in the game not a negative? If they finish some of those drives it doesn’t come down to needing a strip sack to close it out.
It’s ok for there to be negatives in a win. Don’t need to excuse away everything.
I didn't mind the flag in the PI in the end zone. I thought it was PI.
The lengths the league goes to protect QBs is just preposterous. LW merely pushed Allen. He didn't hit or tackle him. Allen acted like he got shot by the shooter on the grassy knoll...So that call really bothered me.
The idea that pushing a QB is a 15 yard penalty is absurd. You want to throw a 5 yard flag and no auto first sure? But roughing the passer should be reserved for actually roughing the passer.
Right. There is nothing "roughing" about a push.
No helmet to helmet. Nothing low. No body slam. No hitting in the face. Etc. Etc.
Just a bastardized interpretation of the rule.
Come on bw - that shove gets a flag about 9 times out of 10
Now it’s boo hoo, we barely beat a bad team. Whatever happened to this team needs to learn how to win? Or is it, this team needs to learn how to win and look good in the process now? You people suck.
Honestly I do t care about the Ws or Ls this year, never did. I like Judge and like what he’s building, but we need more talent. I’m fine if Jones sits a while we play well down the stretch even if dint win many, then look forward to putting things together next year.
RE: Week after week all I heard was no moral victories
Now it’s boo hoo, we barely beat a bad team. Whatever happened to this team needs to learn how to win? Or is it, this team needs to learn how to win and look good in the process now? You people suck.
Honestly I do t care about the Ws or Ls this year, never did. I like Judge and like what he’s building, but we need more talent. I’m fine if Jones sits a while we play well down the stretch even if dint win many, then look forward to putting things together next year.
We are in desperate need of a big WR. Slayton would be a great #2 and Shepherd a great #3
We had the ball for 36 minutes to 22 minutes for Cincy.
We had 19 first downs to Cincy's 11 (and had a 3:1 ratio when Jones was injured)
We had 9 third down conversions.
You guys can keep trying to say the offense was poor, but you really aren't making a very compelling case. Jones stays in that game, we win by two TD's
How does a league "border" on being fixed? Either it is or it isn't.
Bad calls and incompetence makes a lot more sense than a multi-billion dollar enterprise risking its reputation by fixing games to benefit the 2-7-1 Bengals or the 3-8 Cowboys.
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don't know why Garrett is taking shit. What kind of gameplan was he supposed to have? We ran the ball well. We more than doubled the Cincy output. We valued possession of the ball and just missed a TD to Slayton and did hit two downfield plays when we took the shot.
Agree. Actually thought he called a good game. McCoy made some ugly throws on what were actually good calls. Also the OL was unable to open holes because Cindy knew McCoy could not beat them through the air. If its a hamstring Jones could be done for several weeks.
Agree about Garrett. Just because a play fails, doesn't mean it is a bad call.
I've though Garrett has done a great job this year, just has a tremendous feel for the game as far as playcalling goes, but today wasn't good. Had no issue for him going for some big stuff early, we get those plays and Bengals have no chance with that offensive unit. But going a little further into game it was clear we should have been going more straight. Plus having Colt McCoy throw on 3 and 15 at like the 25 was criminal with him just coming into game and it almost cost us the game, easy pick dropped. There was some other shit, but the coaches (other than Graham) have a lot of things to fix after this one.
We had the ball for 36 minutes to 22 minutes for Cincy.
We had 19 first downs to Cincy's 11 (and had a 3:1 ratio when Jones was injured)
We had 9 third down conversions.
You guys can keep trying to say the offense was poor, but you really aren't making a very compelling case. Jones stays in that game, we win by two TD's
Yeh people are way off on that. I said a little before halftime, this is the type of game where we are down 3 at half and then win going away in the second based on what I saw that far. DJ getting hurt changed that arithmetic a bit. And we still moved the ball better than them and McCoy was only good at evading the rush today, only positive on his review. Which is fine for a backup coming in, don't turn it over and don't take sacks.
We had the ball for 36 minutes to 22 minutes for Cincy.
We had 19 first downs to Cincy's 11 (and had a 3:1 ratio when Jones was injured)
We had 9 third down conversions.
You guys can keep trying to say the offense was poor, but you really aren't making a very compelling case. Jones stays in that game, we win by two TD's
It's also why I liked them going for some big time trick plays early. We get a few easy ones early and the Bengals have zero chance to play catch up. Didn't work, but I understand why they did it.
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don't know why Garrett is taking shit. What kind of gameplan was he supposed to have? We ran the ball well. We more than doubled the Cincy output. We valued possession of the ball and just missed a TD to Slayton and did hit two downfield plays when we took the shot.
Poor clock management and risking the only QB you have left with runs. The sideline QB sweep saved the Bengals a timeout. Without that, another 30-40 seconds is run off of the clock.
That's on McCoy. No reason to go OOB there at all. He was moving upfield.
We had the ball for 36 minutes to 22 minutes for Cincy.
We had 19 first downs to Cincy's 11 (and had a 3:1 ratio when Jones was injured)
We had 9 third down conversions.
You guys can keep trying to say the offense was poor, but you really aren't making a very compelling case. Jones stays in that game, we win by two TD's
They scored a whopping 19 points, 13 of them with Jones (I think, can't remember what the score was when he went out). Against a defense as bad as Cincinnati, that's not very good.
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gameplan. We had 380 yards of offense. Cincy had 150.
We had the ball for 36 minutes to 22 minutes for Cincy.
We had 19 first downs to Cincy's 11 (and had a 3:1 ratio when Jones was injured)
We had 9 third down conversions.
You guys can keep trying to say the offense was poor, but you really aren't making a very compelling case. Jones stays in that game, we win by two TD's
They scored a whopping 19 points, 13 of them with Jones (I think, can't remember what the score was when he went out). Against a defense as bad as Cincinnati, that's not very good.
That wasn’t on Jones. Engram fumbled in scoring territory and Slayton dropping the ball.
When the Giants were perennial playoff contenders a win like this would be upsetting. Can’t understand why anyone wouldn’t feel good about this win for a team that is ascending and struggling to be a decent team. We are not that far away.
This was 100 percent on design. The problem was the LW penalty. If he doesn't make that, it cost about 40 seconds as long as that 15 they needed to get was in the field of play, which of course you keep shit inside. Dumb, dumb penalty from a guy who has mostly shown to be a smart player.
I took Giants -5.5 and I knew they weren't going to cover when they went up 9 looking at timeouts and exactly how much time they had left. Not unless we forced a turnover or sack. They have the skilly players to dink and dunk down field.
Gurantee LW gets fucking spit roasted in the film room.
I didn't mind the flag in the PI in the end zone. I thought it was PI.
The lengths the league goes to protect QBs is just preposterous. LW merely pushed Allen. He didn't hit or tackle him. Allen acted like he got shot by the shooter on the grassy knoll...So that call really bothered me.
As long as we got the ball back with a "normal" amount of time, we could have run out the clock.
McCoy overthrew Lewis for a sure TD on a very good call.
We ran the ball effectively against a stacked defense.
Gallman continues to shine.
Engram is MR. Inconsistent
Hopefully Peart can play next in place of Fleming who was trying to handle the win the the Bengels.
Special teams better clean up their act fast.
Giants really need a number 1 WR.
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Deserve a standing ovation for te effort put in to try and get them Cowboys into first place with only 1 team. Pretty sickening ending if you ask me. The league is bordering on being fixed now.
How does a league "border" on being fixed? Either it is or it isn't.
Bad calls and incompetence makes a lot more sense than a multi-billion dollar enterprise risking its reputation by fixing games to benefit the 2-7-1 Bengals or the 3-8 Cowboys.
^This. At the expense of one of two teams from the largest market in the United States. It's laughable really.
We had the ball for 36 minutes to 22 minutes for Cincy.
We had 19 first downs to Cincy's 11 (and had a 3:1 ratio when Jones was injured)
We had 9 third down conversions.
You guys can keep trying to say the offense was poor, but you really aren't making a very compelling case. Jones stays in that game, we win by two TD's
how dare you deviate from the "agreed upon" consensus and narrative...
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Fleming is awful every week.
It’s ok to be excited they won and also critical that the offense wasn’t good today against a very bad defense.
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are games we have lost in the past. So, although it was ugly.. we have to embrace the fact that they pulled it out.
You think that's because of some measurable increase in talent/coaching or just a favorable dice roll? I think today could easily fall into the latter category.
You're saying Cincinatti deserved to win? I don't think so, they got outplayed.
Winning, when you are the idiot making mistakes like a KR TD, getting called for stupid or bad end zone penalties, dumb fumbles like Engram's for a 6 point swing...
Winning despite all those errors takes good coaching, and solid defense.
I love "winning ugly".
Giants Football.
They did one good thing: their opening KR. Other than that they did nothing. And almost won.
What a tragedy it would've been to lose that game.
For those griping about the special teams - the Bengals quietly have outstanding specials. Their KR lead the league last year, and they can cover. That snap on the fake punt was pretty damn good - I've never seen that before. They almost did just enough to bullshit a win.
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That’s the only explanation for some of the play calls. Then when he made a decent play call, Cam Fleming acted like Cam Fleming.
So you're thinking Jason Garret intentionally called a bad game? As revenge?
Sarcasm isn’t your friend. This isn’t the game thread... people aren’t that crazy here.
But we were humming along pretty well. We had 250+ yards when Jones got hurt and we had converted over 50% of our 3rd down conversions. When Jones left the game, the Giants had outgained the Bengals more than 2 to 1, had 3:1 ratio of first downs and held the ball twice as long. and that was still with Engram fumbling in the red zone.
I'm pretty sure the gameplan going into the week was to control the ball, give the Bengals long fields to work with and not make mistakes.
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My point is that I don't agree with the implication that the offense was just humming along great until Jones got hurt.
But we were humming along pretty well. We had 250+ yards when Jones got hurt and we had converted over 50% of our 3rd down conversions. When Jones left the game, the Giants had outgained the Bengals more than 2 to 1, had 3:1 ratio of first downs and held the ball twice as long. and that was still with Engram fumbling in the red zone.
I'm pretty sure the gameplan going into the week was to control the ball, give the Bengals long fields to work with and not make mistakes.
Scoring points is the objective and they weren’t doing that even with Jones despite piling up yardage.
They did one good thing: their opening KR. Other than that they did nothing. And almost won.
What a tragedy it would've been to lose that game.
For those griping about the special teams - the Bengals quietly have outstanding specials. Their KR lead the league last year, and they can cover. That snap on the fake punt was pretty damn good - I've never seen that before. They almost did just enough to bullshit a win.
That's part of the problem though. I know Judge likes to make them defend every play, and that's his mantra, but when you go up against a team like this and the only way they can beat you is with some major variance, like specials score, don't let them return it. Hopefully, he learns from this, but it almost seemed arrogant.
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This was 100 percent on design. The problem was the LW penalty. If he doesn't make that, it cost about 40 seconds as long as that 15 they needed to get was in the field of play, which of course you keep shit inside. Dumb, dumb penalty from a guy who has mostly shown to be a smart player.
I took Giants -5.5 and I knew they weren't going to cover when they went up 9 looking at timeouts and exactly how much time they had left. Not unless we forced a turnover or sack. They have the skilly players to dink and dunk down field.
Gurantee LW gets fucking spit roasted in the film room.
I didn't mind the flag in the PI in the end zone. I thought it was PI.
The lengths the league goes to protect QBs is just preposterous. LW merely pushed Allen. He didn't hit or tackle him. Allen acted like he got shot by the shooter on the grassy knoll...So that call really bothered me.
The idea that pushing a QB is a 15 yard penalty is absurd. You want to throw a 5 yard flag and no auto first sure? But roughing the passer should be reserved for actually roughing the passer.
yup. and closing out a game that they would have lost most of the last 5 years. I guess learning how to win doesn't count now.
The STs were unexpectedly poor today. That 103 yd KO return killed their momentum and gave Cincy life. And to the Bengals credit, they did not fold up despite the Burrow disaster. They came to play.
*Injure the opponent's QB.
*Horrible playcalling by Garrett
*Get a turnover with the opponent deep in scoring range, plus a big return.
*Get 2 unforced missed TDs by the Giants (the bomb to Slayton, the miss to Dion Lewis)
*Convert a fake punt.
*Get a pass interference penalty on a desperation heave into the end zone.
*Get a holding call when the opponent ices the game.
*Get a big punt return to set up the final FG drive.
That one had all the makings of a classic loss. I give the Giants credit for overcoming all that and still winning. Still shaking my head at Garrett's playcalling down the stretch.
Now, despite dominating the Bengals in almost every statistic, because we didn't score more points, the offense struggled? Um oh yeah, our starting QB was hurt too.
Winning, when you are the idiot making mistakes like a KR TD, getting called for stupid or bad end zone penalties, dumb fumbles like Engram's for a 6 point swing...
Winning despite all those errors takes good coaching, and solid defense.
I love "winning ugly".
Giants Football.
Thank you. A realistic take.
*Injure the opponent's QB.
*Horrible playcalling by Garrett
*Get a turnover with the opponent deep in scoring range, plus a big return.
*Get 2 unforced missed TDs by the Giants (the bomb to Slayton, the miss to Dion Lewis)
*Convert a fake punt.
*Get a pass interference penalty on a desperation heave into the end zone.
*Get a holding call when the opponent ices the game.
*Get a big punt return to set up the final FG drive.
That one had all the makings of a classic loss. I give the Giants credit for overcoming all that and still winning. Still shaking my head at Garrett's playcalling down the stretch.
Honestly was convinced we were going to lose after the LW penalty. Defense answered the bell again. Lots of pressure on them today, even considering they were going against a mash unit on offense, but they played as good as you can.
I bet I wasn’t alone either....I bet 90% of us here just knew they would score a TD or FG to cut it to either 1 or 6 and then we would go 3 and out and give them the ball back to win?
Now, despite dominating the Bengals in almost every statistic, because we didn't score more points, the offense struggled? Um oh yeah, our starting QB was hurt too.
There is a list of things wrong in this one though. And now its compounded with a DJ moving forward with no mobility, which was a big part of our offense. Our skill players just aren't good enough for this offense to lose that. Although maybe Engram is finally rounding into form, seems to be playing with a lot more confidence. That fumble was helluva play by that Bengals guy. Don't really put that one on him, he had it secured.
All the running plays today, when EE was shown, he was flopping on the pile after the run was over. He is inept as a blocker.
I bet I wasn’t alone either....I bet 90% of us here just knew they would score a TD or FG to cut it to either 1 or 6 and then we would go 3 and out and give them the ball back to win?
Well obviously we knew they were going to score, that's how they attack that situation in NFL, rightly so. The thing is we got a ticky tack PI call, the Bengals didn't make any mistakes, and LW with the dumb penalty. Take away any of those and we are talking about them scoring and then having to do an onside kick.
I didn't mind the flag in the PI in the end zone. I thought it was PI.
The lengths the league goes to protect QBs is just preposterous. LW merely pushed Allen. He didn't hit or tackle him. Allen acted like he got shot by the shooter on the grassy knoll...So that call really bothered me.
The idea that pushing a QB is a 15 yard penalty is absurd. You want to throw a 5 yard flag and no auto first sure? But roughing the passer should be reserved for actually roughing the passer.
Right. There is nothing "roughing" about a push.
No helmet to helmet. Nothing low. No body slam. No hitting in the face. Etc. Etc.
Just a bastardized interpretation of the rule.
My biggest kvetch is not sticking with Gallman as the feature back. I just don’t understand why Morris is getting any touches. Gallman could have had 100 rushing today if he got Morris snaps and he may well have put the game away if he ran the ball instead of that stupid sweep with McCoy. Just pound the ball with Gallman and this game probably wasn’t close at the end.
But, yeah, I’m happy the Giants are in first place. Not because I think they’re gonna make a playoff run but because they’ll keep playing meaningful football games as the season grinds on. For the first time in a long while it seems like the Giants building something and that includes winning ugly on the road, off the bye and against a lousy team.
Now, despite dominating the Bengals in almost every statistic, because we didn't score more points, the offense struggled? Um oh yeah, our starting QB was hurt too.
Does not finishing drives even when Jones was in the game not a negative? If they finish some of those drives it doesn’t come down to needing a strip sack to close it out.
It’s ok for there to be negatives in a win. Don’t need to excuse away everything.
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I didn't mind the flag in the PI in the end zone. I thought it was PI.
The lengths the league goes to protect QBs is just preposterous. LW merely pushed Allen. He didn't hit or tackle him. Allen acted like he got shot by the shooter on the grassy knoll...So that call really bothered me.
The idea that pushing a QB is a 15 yard penalty is absurd. You want to throw a 5 yard flag and no auto first sure? But roughing the passer should be reserved for actually roughing the passer.
Right. There is nothing "roughing" about a push.
No helmet to helmet. Nothing low. No body slam. No hitting in the face. Etc. Etc.
Just a bastardized interpretation of the rule.
Honestly I do t care about the Ws or Ls this year, never did. I like Judge and like what he’s building, but we need more talent. I’m fine if Jones sits a while we play well down the stretch even if dint win many, then look forward to putting things together next year.
Honestly I do t care about the Ws or Ls this year, never did. I like Judge and like what he’s building, but we need more talent. I’m fine if Jones sits a while we play well down the stretch even if dint win many, then look forward to putting things together next year.
We are in desperate need of a big WR. Slayton would be a great #2 and Shepherd a great #3
We'll take 'em however they come!