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| New York Giants quarterback Daniel Jones suffered a hamstring injury in the third quarter of Sunday's 19-17 victory over the Cincinnati Bengals that could force him to miss some time. A source told ESPN the initial belief is that it's a "pretty bad" hamstring injury. More tests are scheduled Monday to determine the full extent of the injury. |
By the way is Gettleman still GM of the year with the next 2 QBs as the only options?
By the way is Gettleman still GM of the year with the next 2 QBs as the only options?
LOL. Doctor Fucknuts with the post of the Year!
Certainly nothing of a diagnosis. If you believe that happens on any team, you don't understand the ethics and rules the trainers follow.
This has nothing to do with trainer's rules or ethics.
The players, coaches and trainers are all together on the sidelines within earshot of each other. Barnes could easily have shared an opinion on the severity of Jones's injury with a coach and that conversation was no doubt had in front of other coaches and players.
And Raanan or any of the beats could have found out about it.
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nor the training staff offer their opinions up to players.
Certainly nothing of a diagnosis. If you believe that happens on any team, you don't understand the ethics and rules the trainers follow.
This has nothing to do with trainer's rules or ethics.
The players, coaches and trainers are all together on the sidelines within earshot of each other. Barnes could easily have shared an opinion on the severity of Jones's injury with a coach and that conversation was no doubt had in front of other coaches and players.
And Raanan or any of the beats could have found out about it.
They cleared him to go back into the game!! Are you really trying to suppose that they are thinking he has a bad tear of the hamstring, offering that opinion on the sidelines while Jones is going back in the game??
They cleared him to go back into the game!! Are you really trying to suppose that they are thinking he has a bad tear of the hamstring, offering that opinion on the sidelines while Jones is going back in the game??
He couldn't even throw off that leg. The fact that he was allowed to go back out for one play, and then immediately came back out in clear pain seems like the decision wasn't the best.
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On this thread explains why the stadiums are still empty. None of you geniuses can figure out how badly injured is he when he couldn’t even keep his leg planted to throw a 5 yard pass. Uneducated group think moron mouth breathers.
By the way is Gettleman still GM of the year with the next 2 QBs as the only options?
LOL. Doctor Fucknuts with the post of the Year!
Not even close.
But Doctor F-nuts is quite original. It’s only 7pm so pace yourself.
This was literally the fist thing I thought of.
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In comment 15060266 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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nor the training staff offer their opinions up to players.
Certainly nothing of a diagnosis. If you believe that happens on any team, you don't understand the ethics and rules the trainers follow.
This has nothing to do with trainer's rules or ethics.
The players, coaches and trainers are all together on the sidelines within earshot of each other. Barnes could easily have shared an opinion on the severity of Jones's injury with a coach and that conversation was no doubt had in front of other coaches and players.
And Raanan or any of the beats could have found out about it.
They cleared him to go back into the game!! Are you really trying to suppose that they are thinking he has a bad tear of the hamstring, offering that opinion on the sidelines while Jones is going back in the game??
You're right. What was I thinking?!?!
It's impossible for a player who has tweaked his hamstring to make it worse by going back into a football game.
I'm suggesting that AFTER Jones came out of the game a second time that Barnes MAY have offered an opinion to a coach about the severity of the injury. And that opinion could have been overheard by a chatty player who spoke to Raanan.
The real issue here is that fans hate bad news, so they try to convince themselves that any bad news is made up BS.
You may remember years ago when OBJ got hurt in preseason vs Cleve. and Raanan broke the story that OBJ would miss the opener. It was the same EXACT reaction. Raanan doesn't know shit, just making crap up for clicks. Well it turns out that he was right.
Besides, how many times have we seen players listed as day to day or week to week with hammies and they end up on IR see you next season? And how many times have we seen a guy pull up with a hammie and return in a week or two?
I'll believe he is coming back when I read that he's practicing fully. And I'll ignore all the guesses because I don't think anybody has any idea when he'll be back.
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Eli will miss several weeks with a bad shoulder
This was literally the fist thing I thought of.
To be fair, Mortensen was correct on the recovery time for that injury. What he didnt account for was Eli being made of pure steel beneath that Forrest Gump-ish exterior.
The issue is giving credence to reports that aren't based on merit. Raanan can't wait for an MRI - so he spouts off what he thinks is going to happen.
A player isn't going to a reporter and telling them something the trainer is saying on the sidelines. Certainly not before anything is even known. When people talk about creating "realities", it would be nice if they knew what happens in interactions with the media.
Jones gutting out and getting back in the game is no indication one way or the other of the severity. Russel Wilson hurt his hamstring in 2018 and gutted out the year and was fine. Josh Mccown gutted out a game where he tore his muscle off the bone.
Jones is going to wake up tomorrow, be sore and swollen, get an MRI and know more. No one without X-ray vision knows much tonight.
If it was bad, he would have never tried going back in. It's a mild hammy. If he rushes it and re injures it it will be worse.
This is like Mort saying Eli will be out 4 weeks. Before everyone realized Eli would never miss a game through his own doing.
That said, Jones ain't Eli. OTOH Eli never ran far or fast enough to pull a hammy.
Oh and it makes absolutely no difference if he is tough or not. Hoping for the best, but we should be realistic.
The issue is giving credence to reports that aren't based on merit. Raanan can't wait for an MRI - so he spouts off what he thinks is going to happen.
A player isn't going to a reporter and telling them something the trainer is saying on the sidelines. Certainly not before anything is even known. When people talk about creating "realities", it would be nice if they knew what happens in interactions with the media.
From the story...
Does that really offend you?
I added the bold for your edification...
KINDA BAD
BAD
PRETTY BAD
REALLY BAD
Great post
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issue has nothing to do with fans "hating bad news". The issue is that the immediacy in reporting leads to rushes to judgment, off-base reports, and incomplete stories.
The issue is giving credence to reports that aren't based on merit. Raanan can't wait for an MRI - so he spouts off what he thinks is going to happen.
A player isn't going to a reporter and telling them something the trainer is saying on the sidelines. Certainly not before anything is even known. When people talk about creating "realities", it would be nice if they knew what happens in interactions with the media.
From the story...
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A source told ESPN the initial belief is that it's a "pretty bad" hamstring injury. More tests are scheduled Monday to determine the full extent of the injury.
Does that really offend you?
I added the bold for your edification...
Why are you trying to prove something you can not prove and you know is wrong. The trainers may have an idea of the severity, but they won't know until the MRI is reviewed. Raanan knows nothing. His source is not from the Giants. Maybe he knows a MD....
Jones zoom was especially mind numbing. Pat Leonard asked him a question at one point that I do not know how Jones didn’t just respond with “how big a moron are you”
Why are you trying to prove something you can not prove and you know is wrong. The trainers may have an idea of the severity, but they won't know until the MRI is reviewed. Raanan knows nothing. His source is not from the Giants. Maybe he knows a MD....
This story seems pretty reasonable to me. Ranaan heard the injury - initially - seems pretty bad. But medical tests still need to be performed.
You are acting like Ranaan is Woodward speaking with Mark Felt to get information on the Watergate investigation.
It's an injury.
The issue is giving credence to reports that aren't based on merit. Raanan can't wait for an MRI - so he spouts off what he thinks is going to happen.
A player isn't going to a reporter and telling them something the trainer is saying on the sidelines. Certainly not before anything is even known. When people talk about creating "realities", it would be nice if they knew what happens in interactions with the media.
Come on now...
A player could have overheard the trainer's initial evaluation of Jones's injury as "pretty bad" and shared that info when a reporter asked.
A teammate could have also gotten a self-evaluation from Jones, since players who have had hamstring injuries before know the difference between mild and pretty bad, and then that player whos spoke to Jones could have shared that info with Raanan or another reporter.
That kind of stuff happens all the time.
I'm not saying that this is what DID happen, just that it's certainly within the realm of possibility and shouldn't be automatically dissmissed simply because it's bad news.
You on the other hand are assuming that Raanan has no inside info and that his report is NOT based on merit, when you have no evidence that this is the case.
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Why are you trying to prove something you can not prove and you know is wrong. The trainers may have an idea of the severity, but they won't know until the MRI is reviewed. Raanan knows nothing. His source is not from the Giants. Maybe he knows a MD....
This story seems pretty reasonable to me. Ranaan heard the injury - initially - seems pretty bad. But medical tests still need to be performed.
You are acting like Ranaan is Woodward speaking with Mark Felt to get information on the Watergate investigation.
It's an injury.
If it was so bad, he'd have had it iced up on the bench. It could be bad, whatever that means. He could miss three weeks or he could play next week. My money would be on out for two weeks.
But the fact remains you are arguing about something that nobody but the Giants know about. You are basically defending a total guess by a reporter whose source could be a former trainer or a MD he knows. And I do not believe there are any reporters in the locker rooms this season.
If it was so bad, he'd have had it iced up on the bench. It could be bad, whatever that means. He could miss three weeks or he could play next week. My money would be on out for two weeks.
But the fact remains you are arguing about something that nobody but the Giants know about. You are basically defending a total guess by a reporter whose source could be a former trainer or a MD he knows. And I do not believe there are any reporters in the locker rooms this season.
Let me tell you how I read this.
Sounds like there is some speculation that Jones could have a bad injury. But the medical tests will confirm.
On the other hand, Judge is optimistic. Yet he has no information other than guessing how Jones might feel. But he won't know for sure until the tests are performed.
All that is in the story.
Seemed straightforward and innocuous to me. So I'm know waiting to hear the results tomorrow.
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Why are you trying to prove something you can not prove and you know is wrong. The trainers may have an idea of the severity, but they won't know until the MRI is reviewed. Raanan knows nothing. His source is not from the Giants. Maybe he knows a MD....
This story seems pretty reasonable to me. Ranaan heard the injury - initially - seems pretty bad. But medical tests still need to be performed.
You are acting like Ranaan is Woodward speaking with Mark Felt to get information on the Watergate investigation.
It's an injury.
If it was so bad, he'd have had it iced up on the bench. It could be bad, whatever that means. He could miss three weeks or he could play next week. My money would be on out for two weeks.
But the fact remains you are arguing about something that nobody but the Giants know about. You are basically defending a total guess by a reporter whose source could be a former trainer or a MD he knows. And I do not believe there are any reporters in the locker rooms this season.
You're wasting your time with him section.
Figured you would like him. You’re like two peas in a pod...awful posters.
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From the site for constantly reporting horse shit and basically lying in his articles? Does he need to be here?
Figured you would like him. You’re like two peas in a pod...awful posters.
Wanna try that again? The irony is hilarious.
have iced his hammy on the sideline?
As an aside, having suffered a few hamstrings injuries of varying degrees, if it was as bad as ESPN is claiming, Jones not only wouldn't have even been able to consider playing, he wasn't walking off the field on his own.
Just figured I'd share.
Jones Injury5 - ( New Window )
Just figured I'd share. Jones Injury5 - ( New Window )
Actually Hoping would be a better term than hopeful. My bad
With all that said, next week really isn’t a game we need to win. It would be nice if we did, but Cleveland, Arizona, and Dallas are the gamete to get us to seven wins.
he has made up shit. He went on his unpopular podcast and said the team was demoralized when Eli was brought back.
We do know that the kid is as aforementioned tough and also more importantly only 23. His body will heal much more quickly than a 33 year old QB. Wouldn't be surprised if he's back next week so regardless of what ESPN has to say i'm pretty optimistic about DJ returning sooner rather than later.
Him walking around doesn’t mean he’ll be able to play an NFL game in two weeks.
Yeh I love these people that say he wouldn’t be able to play. Maybe DJ is just tougher than you. I have had all 3 grades and I’ll tell you right now, it’s at least at 2, and possibly a 3. 1 or 2 even, you wouldn’t see the complete limitation he showed out there. My money is on a 2 though, we shall see today.
Training staff, not medical.
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Josh Mccown played a half of playoff football with his hamstring torn off the bone. Getting on the field or hanging on the sideline doesn’t preclude a serious injury.
Yeh I love these people that say he wouldn’t be able to play. Maybe DJ is just tougher than you. I have had all 3 grades and I’ll tell you right now, it’s at least at 2, and possibly a 3. 1 or 2 even, you wouldn’t see the complete limitation he showed out there. My money is on a 2 though, we shall see today.
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Josh Mccown played a half of playoff football with his hamstring torn off the bone. Getting on the field or hanging on the sideline doesn’t preclude a serious injury.
Yeh I love these people that say he wouldn’t be able to play. Maybe DJ is just tougher than you. I have had all 3 grades and I’ll tell you right now, it’s at least at 2, and possibly a 3. 1 or 2 even, you wouldn’t see the complete limitation he showed out there. My money is on a 2 though, we shall see today.
Zeke - if you've have different grades of hamstring injuries, you know it isn't about toughness. The guys that try to tough out a slight pull usually end up with the injury lingering for a long time and/or getting much worse. A hamstring injury, even a slight one, is severely limiting. The fact that it's his right leg, which is where he pushes off from to throw is a big deal, even putting aside his probable inability to run.
You aren't seeing the limitation throwing the ball that he showed with a 1. No way. You can still throw the ball with a 1, it would hurt, but it's doable. He couldn't even get to the point where he could try it and we know DJ is tough as dirt. If it was just a 1, he could probably tough it out as long as he didn't try to run and we had an offensive line that could really protect in pass game. Even then though, there would be times where you just can't control, wouldn't be able to fight through getting sacked. Instincts take over and then a bigger injury. This sucks. Also felt like I was going to win 6k on them winning East, just not sure how it happens now.