espn.com reporting Jones hamstring injury is "pretty bad"

So hold out hope!

magnetic resonating tv cameras.

the Giants trainers are talking to ESPN about Jones' hamstring?

OR.. do you think it is more likely for ESPN to invent a story for clicks?

No one knows anything yet. Click bait (as usual)

How would anyone know anything now? Even the medical staff felt he was able to go back in.

you listened to Judge's comments after the game, he basically said it would take a lot to force Jones to come out of the game.

Don’t know how ESPN is a viable profitable business

NOT BAD

KINDA BAD

BAD

PRETTY BAD

REALLY BAD

from ESPN

Why would the trainers clear him to go in? If so then they need to be let go first thing on Monday.

and this thread should be deleted since this article is basically speculation

In comment 15060229 dlauster said:

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Don’t know how ESPN is a viable profitable business

It's not. If not for Disney ownership they would be filing for bankruptcy.

In comment 15060235 Carl in CT said:

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Why would the trainers clear him to go in? If so then they need to be let go first thing on Monday.

Beyond that, he was squatting in the QB meetings on the sideline WITHOUT ice.....there seemed to be no real sense of ugency.

I am not saying it's bad or not bad, I am saying based on what I see he might miss two weeks, tops.

Eli will miss several weeks with a bad shoulder

Yawn

how is this in any way something beyond the realm of belief? How does this "drive clicks", as if more people will check ESPN if Jones is hurt?

That Raanan spoke to a player, coach or trainer who shared their observation that the hamstring injury might be "pretty bad".

Even without an MRI Barnes or an assitant trainer probably have seen enough hamstrings to offer an opinion on the severity of the injury. And it's possible that they relayed their concern to a player who then spoke to Raanan.

None of us want to believe that Jones might be severly injured and be forced to miss some games, but you can't simply dismiss any bad news as made up BS written for clicks.

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Eli will miss several weeks with a bad shoulder

LOL. Perfect!

He couldn't push off the thing at all, and hamstring injuries can be brutal. A friend of mine tore his in college, he was black and blue from his calf to his ass and was on crutches for nearly 3 months.

nor the training staff offer their opinions up to players.

Certainly nothing of a diagnosis. If you believe that happens on any team, you don't understand the ethics and rules the trainers follow.

It’s an article on a scoop, regardless of how big or small of a scoop it was. This is standard sports journalism. People really need to get a grip.

would they know anything?

We've al had hamstrings - if its bad, you can't even walk or put any kind of weight on it. He was walking around with it.

when he tried to play but came right back out. Jones is tough, there’s no denying that.

something up. I doubt he talked to anyone. Journalism has gone to crap. If it was serious the trainers wouldn't have let Jones try it back in the game, and he wouldn't have been walking around the sidelines with no ice or wrappings. He was squatting for the QB conversations with Garrett.

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We've al had hamstrings - if its bad, you can't even walk or put any kind of weight on it. He was walking around with it.

If it was all that bad, he would have been in the training room with ice and crutches, not on the sidelines.

but I never have known him (or at least remember him) to make stuff up. Jones didn’t sound overly optimistic on his zoom call. Judge was sort of like he is tough and he wouldn’t bef against him, Jones was more like we will see. Jones is a tough kid, the hamstring had to be bad for him not be able to try It for more than 2 plays.

With all that said, next week really isn’t a game we need to win. It would be nice if we did, but Cleveland, Arizona, and Dallas are the gamete to get us to seven wins.

So if I was ESPN, I’d say it’s pretty bad

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but I never have known him (or at least remember him) to make stuff up. Jones didn’t sound overly optimistic on his zoom call. Judge was sort of like he is tough and he wouldn’t bef against him, Jones was more like we will see. Jones is a tough kid, the hamstring had to be bad for him not be able to try It for more than 2 plays. With all that said, next week really isn’t a game we need to win. It would be nice if we did, but Cleveland, Arizona, and Dallas are the gamete to get us to seven wins.

He had a tweet before the game saying the Giants have been lucky to play 6 back up qbs, he coubted dalton in the cowboys game, he counted both redskins games when the qbs were named starters...

He is a troll

But with the way he reacted when throwing that short pass when he came back in, it doesn't seem great.

On this thread explains why the stadiums are still empty. None of you geniuses can figure out how badly injured is he when he couldn’t even keep his leg planted to throw a 5 yard pass. Uneducated group think moron mouth breathers.

By the way is Gettleman still GM of the year with the next 2 QBs as the only options?

In comment 15060300 arniefez said:

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On this thread explains why the stadiums are still empty. None of you geniuses can figure out how badly injured is he when he couldn’t even keep his leg planted to throw a 5 yard pass. Uneducated group think moron mouth breathers. By the way is Gettleman still GM of the year with the next 2 QBs as the only options?

LOL. Doctor Fucknuts with the post of the Year!

In comment 15060266 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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nor the training staff offer their opinions up to players. Certainly nothing of a diagnosis. If you believe that happens on any team, you don't understand the ethics and rules the trainers follow.

This has nothing to do with trainer's rules or ethics.

The players, coaches and trainers are all together on the sidelines within earshot of each other. Barnes could easily have shared an opinion on the severity of Jones's injury with a coach and that conversation was no doubt had in front of other coaches and players.

And Raanan or any of the beats could have found out about it.

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In comment 15060266 FatMan in Charlotte said: Quote: nor the training staff offer their opinions up to players. Certainly nothing of a diagnosis. If you believe that happens on any team, you don't understand the ethics and rules the trainers follow. This has nothing to do with trainer's rules or ethics. The players, coaches and trainers are all together on the sidelines within earshot of each other. Barnes could easily have shared an opinion on the severity of Jones's injury with a coach and that conversation was no doubt had in front of other coaches and players. And Raanan or any of the beats could have found out about it.

They cleared him to go back into the game!! Are you really trying to suppose that they are thinking he has a bad tear of the hamstring, offering that opinion on the sidelines while Jones is going back in the game??

where he needs to plant his leg. Let's see how it is. Just from when he came back in the game it didn't do good.

In comment 15060307 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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They cleared him to go back into the game!! Are you really trying to suppose that they are thinking he has a bad tear of the hamstring, offering that opinion on the sidelines while Jones is going back in the game??

He couldn't even throw off that leg. The fact that he was allowed to go back out for one play, and then immediately came back out in clear pain seems like the decision wasn't the best.

In comment 15060305 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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In comment 15060300 arniefez said: Quote: On this thread explains why the stadiums are still empty. None of you geniuses can figure out how badly injured is he when he couldn’t even keep his leg planted to throw a 5 yard pass. Uneducated group think moron mouth breathers. By the way is Gettleman still GM of the year with the next 2 QBs as the only options? LOL. Doctor Fucknuts with the post of the Year!

Not even close.

But Doctor F-nuts is quite original. It’s only 7pm so pace yourself.

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Eli will miss several weeks with a bad shoulder

This was literally the fist thing I thought of.

In comment 15060307 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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In comment 15060306 Jim in Tampa said: Quote: In comment 15060266 FatMan in Charlotte said: Quote: nor the training staff offer their opinions up to players. Certainly nothing of a diagnosis. If you believe that happens on any team, you don't understand the ethics and rules the trainers follow. This has nothing to do with trainer's rules or ethics. The players, coaches and trainers are all together on the sidelines within earshot of each other. Barnes could easily have shared an opinion on the severity of Jones's injury with a coach and that conversation was no doubt had in front of other coaches and players. And Raanan or any of the beats could have found out about it. They cleared him to go back into the game!! Are you really trying to suppose that they are thinking he has a bad tear of the hamstring, offering that opinion on the sidelines while Jones is going back in the game??

You're right. What was I thinking?!?!

It's impossible for a player who has tweaked his hamstring to make it worse by going back into a football game.

I'm suggesting that AFTER Jones came out of the game a second time that Barnes MAY have offered an opinion to a coach about the severity of the injury. And that opinion could have been overheard by a chatty player who spoke to Raanan.

The real issue here is that fans hate bad news, so they try to convince themselves that any bad news is made up BS.

You may remember years ago when OBJ got hurt in preseason vs Cleve. and Raanan broke the story that OBJ would miss the opener. It was the same EXACT reaction. Raanan doesn't know shit, just making crap up for clicks. Well it turns out that he was right.

he would be back next week aren't being realistic. Hamstring injuries generally take a long time to heal. It wouldn't be crazy at all if he missed a month.

They are once again manufacturing a story because it’s easy to explain when they’re wrong. When Jones plays next Sunday they will just claim that he made a dramatic improvement or that he’s toughing it out.

Giants med personnel sent him back on the field after getting a good look at the injury. Clearly they did not see it as "pretty bad" at that time.
Besides, how many times have we seen players listed as day to day or week to week with hammies and they end up on IR see you next season? And how many times have we seen a guy pull up with a hammie and return in a week or two?

I'll believe he is coming back when I read that he's practicing fully. And I'll ignore all the guesses because I don't think anybody has any idea when he'll be back.

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In comment 15060241 section125 said: Quote: Eli will miss several weeks with a bad shoulder This was literally the fist thing I thought of.

To be fair, Mortensen was correct on the recovery time for that injury. What he didnt account for was Eli being made of pure steel beneath that Forrest Gump-ish exterior.

issue has nothing to do with fans "hating bad news". The issue is that the immediacy in reporting leads to rushes to judgment, off-base reports, and incomplete stories.

The issue is giving credence to reports that aren't based on merit. Raanan can't wait for an MRI - so he spouts off what he thinks is going to happen.

A player isn't going to a reporter and telling them something the trainer is saying on the sidelines. Certainly not before anything is even known. When people talk about creating "realities", it would be nice if they knew what happens in interactions with the media.

Without an MRI the severity of a muscle injury during a game is an educated guess. Unless the player’s safety is at risk and/or it’s part of the concussion protocol, training and medical staffs week-in-and out largely let players make the determination on whether they can return to a game.

Jones gutting out and getting back in the game is no indication one way or the other of the severity. Russel Wilson hurt his hamstring in 2018 and gutted out the year and was fine. Josh Mccown gutted out a game where he tore his muscle off the bone.

Jones is going to wake up tomorrow, be sore and swollen, get an MRI and know more. No one without X-ray vision knows much tonight.

It hurts like hell to lift your leg to take a step. But Jones was walking around the sideline, helmet still on.

If it was bad, he would have never tried going back in. It's a mild hammy. If he rushes it and re injures it it will be worse.

This is like Mort saying Eli will be out 4 weeks. Before everyone realized Eli would never miss a game through his own doing.

That said, Jones ain't Eli. OTOH Eli never ran far or fast enough to pull a hammy.

I tend to believe what Jordan said. He couldn’t push off to throw a short pass. In addition, Schwartz noted that Daniel seemed “down” in the interview. I have had several hamstring injuries and you kind of know when they are not going to be easy to get rid of. You could be 2-3 weeks away and it turns out to be 4-6 easy.

Oh and it makes absolutely no difference if he is tough or not. Hoping for the best, but we should be realistic.

In comment 15060354 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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issue has nothing to do with fans "hating bad news". The issue is that the immediacy in reporting leads to rushes to judgment, off-base reports, and incomplete stories. The issue is giving credence to reports that aren't based on merit. Raanan can't wait for an MRI - so he spouts off what he thinks is going to happen. A player isn't going to a reporter and telling them something the trainer is saying on the sidelines. Certainly not before anything is even known. When people talk about creating "realities", it would be nice if they knew what happens in interactions with the media.

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A source told ESPN the initial belief is that it's a "pretty bad" hamstring injury. More tests are scheduled Monday to determine the full extent of the injury.

Does that really offend you?

I added the bold for your edification...

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NOT BAD KINDA BAD BAD PRETTY BAD REALLY BAD

Great post

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In comment 15060354 FatMan in Charlotte said: Quote: issue has nothing to do with fans "hating bad news". The issue is that the immediacy in reporting leads to rushes to judgment, off-base reports, and incomplete stories. The issue is giving credence to reports that aren't based on merit. Raanan can't wait for an MRI - so he spouts off what he thinks is going to happen. A player isn't going to a reporter and telling them something the trainer is saying on the sidelines. Certainly not before anything is even known. When people talk about creating "realities", it would be nice if they knew what happens in interactions with the media. From the story... Quote: A source told ESPN the initial belief is that it's a "pretty bad" hamstring injury. More tests are scheduled Monday to determine the full extent of the injury. Does that really offend you? I added the bold for your edification...

Why are you trying to prove something you can not prove and you know is wrong. The trainers may have an idea of the severity, but they won't know until the MRI is reviewed. Raanan knows nothing. His source is not from the Giants. Maybe he knows a MD....