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Can DJ win games if he can't run, at this point in career?

cpgiants : 11/29/2020 6:36 pm
I'm still hoping to see him play vs Seattle, but he likely won't be able to run like he has been.

Would we be better off with immobile Daniel Jones or 100% Colt McCoy?
It's not  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/29/2020 6:40 pm : link
the running that is the issue, the issue is can he drive the ball with a bum right hamstring.
I think We are Better with an Injured Jones  
terptacular : 11/29/2020 6:45 pm : link
However, I'd probably sit him unless he's miraculously 90+%
If he plays within the  
Dave on the UWS : 11/29/2020 6:49 pm : link
next 4 weeks I’ll be surprised. This will be the second year in a row he only plays 12 games. That’s a problem.
Jones can win without running  
NoPeanutz : 11/29/2020 6:50 pm : link
But the bad leg kept him even from passing in the pocket today. If he cant throw and move comfortably, he can't play.
RE: If he plays within the  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/29/2020 6:51 pm : link
In comment 15060248 Dave on the UWS said:
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next 4 weeks I’ll be surprised. This will be the second year in a row he only plays 12 games. That’s a problem.


As much of a problem as already having him out for the next 4 games??
RE: It's not  
BillKo : 11/29/2020 6:51 pm : link
In comment 15060221 Eric from BBI said:
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the running that is the issue, the issue is can he drive the ball with a bum right hamstring.


I think he's asking if he can't incorporate the run game that we have seen, if he's going to be immobile and just a pure pocket passer (with the drive), can he win.......think Phil Simms.
RE: RE: If he plays within the  
BillKo : 11/29/2020 6:53 pm : link
In comment 15060253 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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In comment 15060248 Dave on the UWS said:


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next 4 weeks I’ll be surprised. This will be the second year in a row he only plays 12 games. That’s a problem.



As much of a problem as already having him out for the next 4 games??


This is a problem? Dude is tough as nails it seems to me......add "injury prone" to the list of BBI complaints of DJ LOL
His running is a negative  
BillT : 11/29/2020 6:53 pm : link
In the sense that it encourages the coaches to use him in planned runs. That will and has lead to injuries as we have seen with him and many others. His athleticism should be channeled to buying time to throw not running for yardage.
RE: His running is a negative  
BillKo : 11/29/2020 7:00 pm : link
In comment 15060259 BillT said:
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In the sense that it encourages the coaches to use him in planned runs. That will and has lead to injuries as we have seen with him and many others. His athleticism should be channeled to buying time to throw not running for yardage.


This season...with the surrounding talent, I have to disagree.

It should be incorporated and has actually helped win one game (Philly) and should have contributed to another (1st Philly game).

Running DJ was a necessity in 2020.
Can we beat Seattle with DJ on a bad wheel? Probably not  
ron mexico : 11/29/2020 7:02 pm : link
But he will heal up and be running again soon.
RE: His running is a negative  
giant_thoughts : 11/29/2020 7:03 pm : link
In comment 15060259 BillT said:
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In the sense that it encourages the coaches to use him in planned runs. That will and has lead to injuries as we have seen with him and many others. His athleticism should be channeled to buying time to throw not running for yardage.


Completely agree and as others have pointed out...Once all these running QBs get older they will need to learn to throw the rock.

Even when they aren't older defenses are learning to mitigate them. Look at Lamar Jackson. Nowhere near effective as he was last year. Now....teams forcing him to throw it and his weaknesses are showing
Jone's game includes running  
upnyg : 11/29/2020 7:24 pm : link
I think he's an average QB if they take the run away from him. Injuries or not, that's his game.

Might make sense to have a backup with similar qualities rather than Colt McCoy. He's looked better in the past, hopefully he can pick up his game.
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Zeke's Alibi : 11/29/2020 7:27 pm : link
In comment 15060257 BillKo said:
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next 4 weeks I’ll be surprised. This will be the second year in a row he only plays 12 games. That’s a problem.



As much of a problem as already having him out for the next 4 games??



This is a problem? Dude is tough as nails it seems to me......add "injury prone" to the list of BBI complaints of DJ LOL


DJ is on the injury prone side. He's tough as dirt, so he doesn't miss as many games as he should though. He's had injuries going all the way back to HS.

I don't think him being a pocket passer only is as much a DJ problem for offense, as a we don't have the weapons to have a pocket only passer. The defense and specials are going to have to play out of their minds.
RE: If he plays within the  
Morehead79 : 11/29/2020 7:30 pm : link
In comment 15060248 Dave on the UWS said:
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next 4 weeks I’ll be surprised. This will be the second year in a row he only plays 12 games. That’s a problem.


The problem is your memory. Last year he was not a starter for games 1 & 2, so he did not "miss" them. Then he sat for two weeks with a "bad ankle" that was clearly designed to give Eli one more home start. Pay attention.
It’s not the scrambling that I am concerned about  
Jay on the Island : 11/29/2020 7:32 pm : link
Will the hamstring affect his mechanics? This could decrease his accuracy and velocity.
Disappointing injury  
US1 Giants : 11/29/2020 8:02 pm : link
Have the Giants seen enough of him to believe he will be a franchise QB? He has played better the last few games but needed to continue to grow the rest of this season.
Outside of the fact  
AcesUp : 11/29/2020 8:06 pm : link
that he's actually using his hamstring, how is this injury a result of his running ability?

He'll be prone to more soft tissue stuff...that's kind of the result of being athletic. However, I don't think there's an outsized risk of him getting injured from contact past the line of scrimmage in today's NFL. These guys are protected to a fault.
RE: It’s not the scrambling that I am concerned about  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/29/2020 8:12 pm : link
In comment 15060350 Jay on the Island said:
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Will the hamstring affect his mechanics? This could decrease his accuracy and velocity.


THIS. But it does not appear to be registering with people.
Jones is a different player if the running element isn't there  
Go Terps : 11/29/2020 8:23 pm : link
Running the ball has to be a part of his game going forward.

The issue is he isn't backed up by two athletic quarterbacks that can do similar things he can. It's a major oversight, considering college football produces lots of athletic quarterbacks. At the last scouting combine there were 5 QBs drafted in the 2nd round or later (or not drafted at all) that ran faster 40s than Jones did at his combine.

Improving at backup QB has to be a priority this offseason. It would be a shame to miss the playoffs this year because we couldn't do better than Colt McCoy at backup.
Sit Jones Versus Seahawks And Cardinals  
Trainmaster : 11/29/2020 8:26 pm : link
Those games a likely losses anyway.

We need Jones back at near full strength versus the Browns. I think the Browns game is likely the key game in getting to 6 - 10 and probably win it the division.

RE: Jones is a different player if the running element isn't there  
AcesUp : 11/29/2020 8:32 pm : link
In comment 15060413 Go Terps said:
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Running the ball has to be a part of his game going forward.

The issue is he isn't backed up by two athletic quarterbacks that can do similar things he can. It's a major oversight, considering college football produces lots of athletic quarterbacks. At the last scouting combine there were 5 QBs drafted in the 2nd round or later (or not drafted at all) that ran faster 40s than Jones did at his combine.

Improving at backup QB has to be a priority this offseason. It would be a shame to miss the playoffs this year because we couldn't do better than Colt McCoy at backup.


Lean into his strengths instead of trying to turn him into something he isn't. Plan for the worst with a backup that has his skillset.

Today's NFL is built to protect the QB and offenses. Run with him if he's mobile, there's an increased chance he'll draw a roughing penalty. Throw deep more, there's an increased chance you will draw a spot foul penalty.
Forget, running....how about Throwing with no zip  
George from PA : 11/29/2020 8:41 pm : link
He is not an arm thrower.....he needs his leg to sustain power in his throws.

They will need tape his hamstring tight....

The only saving grace....were we winning against Seattle?


Now we need him to have a chance against Arizona or Cleveland!!!
RE: If he plays within the  
KeoweeFan : 11/29/2020 8:44 pm : link
In comment 15060248 Dave on the UWS said:
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next 4 weeks I’ll be surprised. This will be the second year in a row he only plays 12 games. That’s a problem.

I don't know if you are serious.
NFL players get injured. It would be great if every succeeding NYG was an Iron Man like Eli, but he was an exception. Look around the league to see the number of young mobile QBs knocked out of the lineup the last few years (Watkins, Prescott, Burrows, et al)

And you can hardly count the 3 FULL games Eli played as a knock on rookie DJ who then missed 2 games with an ankle injury.

That is hardly a problem; only a reason to make sure you have a backup QB who can manage a game.
RE: RE: His running is a negative  
KeoweeFan : 11/29/2020 9:19 pm : link
In comment 15060275 BillKo said:
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In the sense that it encourages the coaches to use him in planned runs. That will and has lead to injuries as we have seen with him and many others. His athleticism should be channeled to buying time to throw not running for yardage.



This season...with the surrounding talent, I have to disagree.

It should be incorporated and has actually helped win one game (Philly) and should have contributed to another (1st Philly game).

Running DJ was a necessity in 2020.

Agreed.
The defense has to account for a DJ run, as contrasted with Eli at QB. That impacts their D formations/game plan.

When Saquon returns next year backed up by Gallman, DJ can run fewer times, but the threat is still there.

The caveat is that JJ has to give Wayne enough carries to keep him up to game speed; you don't lose much at the line of scrimmage - he just is not able to run away from defenders after reaching the second level. (He led all collegiate backs in Yards after Contact but they eventually would run him down.)
The hamstring  
SleepyOwl : 11/29/2020 10:13 pm : link
is super debilitating... cant get any torque on his throws. That being said hes going to get a-lot of treatment and I wouldn't be surprised to see him back in two weeks if not next week. Thats one of the benefits of having a young QB; their bodies tend to heal quicker than the older guys.
It's not about running.  
Matt M. : 11/29/2020 11:12 pm : link
With an injured hamstring, he won't be able to properly drop back, slide in the pocket, and most importantly, drive off his right leg to throw. It needs to heal. That is the bottom line.
I have been up and down on Jones this year  
Essex : 11/29/2020 11:17 pm : link
but he seems like he was slinging it just fine today before he got injured without a ton of running. I think he had 19 yards today on 6 runs. Admittedly, it changes with me from week to week, but I am back to feeling comfortable with him again. His only real bad game over the last 5 was the TB game.
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