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Judge has been one of the coaches of the year.

SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/29/2020 7:55 pm
Yes, it was a win over the Joe Burrow-less Bengals. A narrow one, which they almost blew in the waning minutes due to a special teams disaster, at that. Yes, the Giants have four total wins on the season—two over the Washington Football Team and a third over the similarly hapless Philadelphia Eagles—and their games feature all the aesthetic joy of a Great Expectations live reading. Yes, the coach of the year race is fairly settled 11 games into the season (Mike Tomlin and Brian Flores, with Kevin Stefanski jogging behind in a distant third).

But how would we feel about submitting Joe Judge’s name for consideration?

Coaches are hired under countless circumstances. There are perceived experts, who come in to fix one side of the ball immediately and vault a contender over the hump; there are big personalities, who are brought in to revive lifeless locker rooms; and there are dim, militaristic personalities, hired to clean up the messes left behind by the big personalities, who come in and light the place on fire. Judge is in a different category altogether: a coach who was asked to come in and provide more than just an adjustment or routine elevation. He was asked to craft an identity. To pour a foundation.

Within that subsect of coaching hires there is a massive potential for failure. There is such a delicate balance to strike. One is not necessarily dealing with a social structure that has been put in place (kiss up to the franchise quarterback, align with the popular veterans, etc.). Those coaches have to create the social structure. They have to be unpopular. They have to put their hands on replacement-level players and shake something useful out of them. They have to piss off veteran players. There are nebulous factors at play here, abstract concepts like how “hard” someone is playing and how much “effort” people are giving.


And because of that, most of them end up burning out. Either the ability wasn’t there or the personality couldn’t accompany the heavy lift the coach was asking of his team. Judge, albeit while playing in worst NFC East in modern history, has his team in first place after 12 weeks.

He has the Giants in first place seemingly after weathering all of the complicated side effects that come with being the coach he wants to be. There was the hysteria during training camp when he forced players and coaches to run laps. There was the dustup with Golden Tate. There was the rocky, in-season firing of a position coach, all underneath the spotlight of the biggest media market in the league. And yet, the Giants seem to be in a better place perpetually, week after week.

Another point to consider: This roster has been comically mismanaged for nearly half a decade now, doomed either by a desperate series of irresponsible free agency spending sprees or a retrofitted vision of what an NFL roster should look like. While Pro Football Focus grades are by no means a gold standard for personnel evaluation, they have the Giants with one player on each side of the ball in the top 15 at their position. The rest are laughably far from the reservation (the 82nd best guard out of 82 qualifying candidates, 73rd best tackle out of 77 qualifying candidates, 55th best tight end out of 70 qualifying candidates and the 61st best safety out of 89 qualifying candidates). Despite this, the team has gotten its doors blown off only once this season, in a loss to the 49ers. They played the undefeated Steelers tough. They lost to the Buccaneers by two points and the Rams by eight.
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I like the hire  
pjcas18 : 11/29/2020 7:59 pm : link
but IMO he's not even in the discussion for coach of the year.

I'd have McDermott, Belichick and Rivera ahead of or in the same group as Judge - besides the coaches you mentioned.

Maybe even more.

IF the Giants 6-2 over their last 8 games of  
BelieveJJ : 11/29/2020 8:07 pm : link
of the season and finish at 7-9 NFCE champs, then win a playoff game against somebody, then maybe JJ enters the convo.
Judge has done a nice job for sure...  
bw in dc : 11/29/2020 8:08 pm : link
He's showing he can make chicken salad. But that's in the NFC Least, so hard to gauge the significance.

I've been impressed by Flores, Stefanski and Carroll.
He's been great this year  
BlackLight : 11/29/2020 8:09 pm : link
but that award is about W-L record. If the Giants were 7-4 instead of 4-7, he'd be a lock for it.

Sad thing is, we could easily be 7-4 if we hadn't let some early season games get away.
While I agree that he deserves consideration  
Jay on the Island : 11/29/2020 8:09 pm : link
I think that Brian Flores is the clear favorite at the moment.
Too early to judge - pun unintended  
KeoweeFan : 11/29/2020 8:09 pm : link
As I understand it Coach of the Year is based on performance and improvement.
Joe has the improvement part covered but it would probably take a decent performance in the playoffs to get consideration.

The announcement is just prior to the SB, so it would be great if most of the voting was also after the season end.
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I am Ninja : 11/29/2020 8:13 pm : link
His day will come for all that stuff. But what I'm sure is happening -- and I'm sure means a hell of a lot more to him -- is that coaches around the league are saying to themselves, "welp, this mf knows what he's doing."
I love going into a game  
gary_from_chester : 11/29/2020 8:14 pm : link
Not being concerned thatwe will be outcoached, or unable to make adjustments in game. We manage game situations well. We play sound, fundamental football.
He may not be coach of the year, but very happy he is our coach. Arrow is pointing up.
A Few Thing  
Samiam : 11/29/2020 8:34 pm : link
Can the Giants beat a team with a record close to 500 before coach of the year is discussed? Also, if you want to talk about his coaching, and I am a fan, the Giants performance today is not the day to do that between the 2 special teams mistakes, stupid and untimely penalties and questionable play calling especially in crunch time.
Agree this is premature.  
81_Great_Dane : 11/29/2020 8:50 pm : link
If the Giants win out that would be a timely conversation. But let’s assume the they don’t. This isn’t his year for such honors. Maybe next year. The team is positioned to take a big step forward next season. As others have said, the arrow is pointing up.
We've won 4 games...  
GMen72 : 11/29/2020 9:40 pm : link
against shitty teams by a total of 7 points. Pump the breaks....

With that said, there is actual improvement at most positions other than WR and QB...which hasn't happened in years. Good hire up to this point. COY? No chance!

Titans HC is the COY. Love watching that team play football.
I understand  
SleepyOwl : 11/29/2020 10:34 pm : link
the sentiment especially after McAdoo and Shurmur. To have a team that doesnt commit unnecessary penalties and is fundamentally sound on offense, defense and special teams is just unbelievable. The Giants and JJ may not be in the COY convo this year but they are undoubtedly in the Most Improved Team convo especially if they win the division regardless of the record. Coach Judge will hopefully be in the conversation next year when the team is able to add more talent and hopefully have a winning record.
Ok, again these over the top udge threads are becoming  
Essex : 11/29/2020 10:44 pm : link
insufferable. Does. he look promising? Of course he does. He seems to be a smart, detail oriented head coach, who commands attention from his players. In other words, he gives us all hope and that is great.

Today is not the day to post that thread. His vaunted special teams unit was nothing short of disgraceful. The offensive play calling was, in large part, offensive and that was with Jones in the lineup. We had McCoy running out of bounds on a sweep that almost cost us. We let them march down the field on us right after we went up by 9 points by playing a soft defense and committing two penalties (even if the Holmes penalty was bs and it was, he was in a bad position with bad technique and sometimes in this game when it looks bad they call it). We got the job done today and that counts, but we hav won 4 games by a combined 17 points, none of them having winning records and there were a lot of backups involved. Coach of the year is just way over the top of me.
How about Mike Tomlin  
Essex : 11/29/2020 10:44 pm : link
his team is 10-0. Did anyone really predict them to be better than the Ravens?
RE: How about Mike Tomlin  
bw in dc : 11/29/2020 10:49 pm : link
In comment 15060654 Essex said:
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his team is 10-0. Did anyone really predict them to be better than the Ravens?


I think there is a case to be made - sure.

However, I believe most were pretty bullish on the Steelers with Ben's return and a formidable D intact.

Nevertheless, Tomlin is an excellent coach and Pittsburgh is fortunate to have him.
He's  
Mr. Nickels : 11/29/2020 11:09 pm : link
awful lol
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