Here we go again. This was bantered about during the week. Ridiculous projections he would get $7 million per year. Of course you sign him. 2 years maybe $5.5 million would probably do it. Even $6 million for 2 yrs is worth it. He knows the system, is excelling in it and always seems to get positive yardage. No guaranty Barkley will regain his old form or can handle a full workload. You still need a viable backup.
I like him as a short yardage back as well as a competent change of pace back, backup if Saquon is injured, and he can catch the ball.
The main thing that makes me want to resign him is his ability in short yardage situations, especially at the goal line. He finds a crease, hits it hard and fast, can push the pile, gets yardage after contact, and can jump/elevate if need be to get into the end zone. He seems to have had a nose for the end zone these past few weeks.
Not sure how you would know in March whether Barkley will be 100% by September. Crystal ball? Ouija board? Tarot cards?
Gallman is a solid #2 back. I doubt anyone is going to pay him much more than he’s worth to the Giants. So unless the price is starter money, I think you try to keep him.
and whether or not Wayne wants to remain a Giant. But sure, he's proven himself more than a bit this year and earns tough YAC. Him or Freeman, for sure. Enough of Lewis and Morris.
Look at the numbers. Barkley dominates the touches. Is gallman worth 2.5-3 million per year? Yes he is for sure and I believe a team will sign him to a cheap deal to be a starter. That same deal to backup saquon isn’t a smart financial decision. I’m one of the bigger Wayne gallman supporters. I called him he draft pick when it was made and I had post after post about him being a featured back once saquon went down. Truth be told, he has major value just not to us IMO.
a couple of extra first down per game that we wouldn't get with our other backups.
regarding Barkley's health, why would we think he's going to make it through a 16 game season after the last two years? we need a better than average backup.
Don’t give back up runningbacks a second contract. You either get a guy late in the draft of find someone off the street. The RB position is replaceable.
We are going to be a run-first play action team. With Galman you can give him 10-12 carries and Barkley 15-18. That is a nice mix that would keep both fresh.
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JoeyBigBlue : 7:44 am : link : reply
Don’t give back up runningbacks a second contract. You either get a guy late in the draft of find someone off the street. The RB position is replaceable.
Drafted vet guy. Works hard. Why go chase a new shiny toy? Really amazing what people think when making personnel decisions.
RB's are easy to replace??. How did that go the years in between Bradshaw and Barkley?
People never learn. They chase people out of town, but have no real solution on what happens next.
No one is "chasing" him out of town, merely pointing out that he may want to go somewhere where he has a chance to be the featured back, AND that we may not want to spend too much on a backup RB. That is how teams should operate.
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JoeyBigBlue : 7:44 am : link : reply
Don’t give back up runningbacks a second contract. You either get a guy late in the draft of find someone off the street. The RB position is replaceable.
Huh? This describes a shiny, new toy in your view?
It represents. IMO, an onging trend of not wanting to sign their own players and going after others. It's that way whenever a player is up for a contract.
It represents. IMO, an onging trend of not wanting to sign their own players and going after others. It's that way whenever a player is up for a contract.
Why can't the Giants draft a running back on Day 3 in the normal course of business?
It represents. IMO, an onging trend of not wanting to sign their own players and going after others. It's that way whenever a player is up for a contract.
Why can't the Giants draft a running back on Day 3 in the normal course of business?
A shiny new toy would be...well, kind of like if the Giants drafted a RB with the #2 overall pick.
And if Barkley get hurt, we can rely on a 3rd day back with limited experience the load. Yep, makes perfect sense.
Like drafting as day 3 QB. As soon as you need them, yoju wonder why you didn't have more experience.
Running back is one of the easier transitions for rookies to make in the NFL. And its actually good to have fresher legs developing at RB for this roster.
And not for nothing but Gallman was a 4th, Freeman a 4th and Morris I think a 6th.
Lol so paying him when we have other needs makes sense either?
The main thing that makes me want to resign him is his ability in short yardage situations, especially at the goal line. He finds a crease, hits it hard and fast, can push the pile, gets yardage after contact, and can jump/elevate if need be to get into the end zone. He seems to have had a nose for the end zone these past few weeks.
Gallman is a solid #2 back. I doubt anyone is going to pay him much more than he’s worth to the Giants. So unless the price is starter money, I think you try to keep him.
I'd rather have him, he runs with a nice aggression.
regarding Barkley's health, why would we think he's going to make it through a 16 game season after the last two years? we need a better than average backup.
We are going to be a run-first play action team. With Galman you can give him 10-12 carries and Barkley 15-18. That is a nice mix that would keep both fresh.
And, to be honest, the Giants are probably better off going with a cheaper alternative for 2nd RB.
Mark Ingram only got 5mil/yr for 3yrs coming off a great season with NO to go to Baltimore. No way Gallman comes close to that.
Even at 2yr 6mil, so 3mil/yr, that's nothing on the cap.
Kind of shows how bad the Jon Stewart contract was, (2yr 6.8mil), but again it didn't really hurt the cap situation.
And, to be honest, the Giants are probably better off going with a cheaper alternative for2nd RB.
RB's are easy to replace??. How did that go the years in between Bradshaw and Barkley?
RB's are easy to replace??. How did that go the years in between Bradshaw and Barkley?
People never learn. They chase people out of town, but have no real solution on what happens next.
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Drafted vet guy. Works hard. Why go chase a new shiny toy? Really amazing what people think when making personnel decisions.
RB's are easy to replace??. How did that go the years in between Bradshaw and Barkley?
People never learn. They chase people out of town, but have no real solution on what happens next.
Not sure what you guys are arguing...I don't see anybody above in this thread suggesting find a shiny new toy as in a high draft pick at RB.
Someone above said a Day 3 pick which is reasonable and I would argue they should do anyway to find some depth in case Saquon isn't recovering well.
He got 2/8.5M in SF to be part of a committee.
Question is do the Giants really want to invest 16M+ against the cap at RB in 21?
JoeyBigBlue : 7:44 am : link : reply
Don’t give back up runningbacks a second contract. You either get a guy late in the draft of find someone off the street. The RB position is replaceable.
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Drafted vet guy. Works hard. Why go chase a new shiny toy? Really amazing what people think when making personnel decisions.
RB's are easy to replace??. How did that go the years in between Bradshaw and Barkley?
People never learn. They chase people out of town, but have no real solution on what happens next.
No one is "chasing" him out of town, merely pointing out that he may want to go somewhere where he has a chance to be the featured back, AND that we may not want to spend too much on a backup RB. That is how teams should operate.
He got 2/8.5M in SF to be part of a committee.
Question is do the Giants really want to invest 16M+ against the cap at RB in 21?
If the goal is to continue making errors with respect to roster decisions...yes.
JoeyBigBlue : 7:44 am : link : reply
Don’t give back up runningbacks a second contract. You either get a guy late in the draft of find someone off the street. The RB position is replaceable.
Huh? This describes a shiny, new toy in your view?
Why can't the Giants draft a running back on Day 3 in the normal course of business?
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It represents. IMO, an onging trend of not wanting to sign their own players and going after others. It's that way whenever a player is up for a contract.
Why can't the Giants draft a running back on Day 3 in the normal course of business?
A shiny new toy would be...well, kind of like if the Giants drafted a RB with the #2 overall pick.
Like drafting as day 3 QB. As soon as you need them, yoju wonder why you didn't have more experience.
Like drafting as day 3 QB. As soon as you need them, yoju wonder why you didn't have more experience.
Running back is one of the easier transitions for rookies to make in the NFL. And its actually good to have fresher legs developing at RB for this roster.
And not for nothing but Gallman was a 4th, Freeman a 4th and Morris I think a 6th.
You catch my drift yet?