I didn’t know much about Thorson so I was reading some of the scouting reports on him coming out of college. He seems to to have the tools to be a decent QB in the NFL including a strong arm and relatively good feet. I’m curious to hear the thoughts of those who have watched more Northwestern football than I have and whether or not he would be a better start than McCoy.
If DJ can’t go, we know what McCoy is. He doesn’t have a strong arm and he was brought here as a mentor to Jones...not necessarily to play multiple weeks if needed. Is Thorson the better option to win some games and hopefully help this team sneak into the playoffs?
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If you grew up with Parcells, you know what I mean.
It's probably going to be rough waters if DJ is out for a game or more.
Who are you referring to? McCoy doesn't look capable of winning another game based on his performance yesterday.
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and what he was yesterday. They already had a mentor in place and they cut him.
Who are you referring to? McCoy doesn't look capable of winning another game based on his performance yesterday.
I'm saying that McCoy was *not* brought in to mentor Jones. He was brought in because he was the best backup that was either available or that they considered. Whether he is good enough (with practice as the starter) is yet to be determined.
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and what he was yesterday. They already had a mentor in place and they cut him.
Who are you referring to? McCoy doesn't look capable of winning another game based on his performance yesterday.
I'm saying that McCoy was *not* brought in to mentor Jones. He was brought in because he was the best backup that was either available or that they considered. Whether he is good enough (with practice as the starter) is yet to be determined.
This is just wrong.
And neither will a defensive coordinator.
McCoy gives us a much better chance of winning than Thorson. Let’s see how he does after a week of reps.
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But, for a game or two, he is a better option. He is more prepared, knows the offense better, and the coaches know him more. With a full week of practice as the starter, I would expect slightly better than what we got Sunday. On the contrary, even with a full week of practice, I have no clue what to expect from Thorson.
And neither will a defensive coordinator.
McCoy gives us a much better chance of winning than Thorson. Let’s see how he does after a week of reps.
Isn't that the main responsibility of a backup QB? To be ready to come into game action if the starter goes down?
If you grew up with Parcells, you know what I mean.
Not a bad comparison. He's a game manager, not game changer. We can win with him, if we rely on our run game and Defense steps up. Of course STs will now also take on a bigger role too.
McCoy gives us a much better chance of winning than Thorson. Let’s see how he does after a week of reps.
This. Period.
He has a strong arm.
He is a plus athlete.
He is awful at every other aspect of playing QB in the NFL.
So, like the Discover commercial, just NOOO!
Interesting...didn't realize all practice squad players were the same. Thanks for the insight.
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what a typical backup on the PS looks like. We just played against him.
Interesting...didn't realize all practice squad players were the same. Thanks for the insight.
LOL. Fuck off.
Fucking imbecile.
Or at least it's amusing.
Fucking imbecile.
No. I'm saying don't pretend like you have any insight into the ability of a 2019 5th round pick that has the required physical attributes when you simply have no clue. And the argument of "we just faced a practice squad QB so that's what all practice squad QB's will be" is pretty much as dumb as it gets. But honestly we're used to posts like that from you...
You read a couple of fucking articles and come up with this gem:
"He seems to to have the tools to be a decent QB in the NFL including a strong arm and relatively good feet"
Isn't that doing the same thing??
THAT'S what we've come to expect from you. Well that, and whining and bitching that we didn't draft Darnold.
You had no fucking clue who the guy was. Then you read a couple of fucking articles and you are telling us what "tools" he has?
We know you are intimately knowledgeable about tools...
Again, basic reading comprehension seems to continue to give you a ton of trouble. I feel terribly for you.
Thorson is good and has the tools and the football smarts to be a really good NFL QB. He would have gone higher in the draft if not for that nasty injury in his junior year. He was not like himself for the first few games back. He was hesitant and still seemed not to be too sure about the knee.
Once the season continued on, about halfway through the season he started to gain confidence and hit stride becoming his old self again. He was throwing the ball with zip and running with no fear. He lead the Wildcats to a great season and the BigTen West Championship before losing to Ohio State in the BigTen Championship.
If he plays like he can. Thorson is a much better QB than McCoy IMHO. The biggest advantage McCoy has is NFL experience which should not be overlooked.
The guy is a gamer and assuming that he is comfortable with the offence he should be OK. If McCoy is not producing I would think that if he is ready. The Giants could throw him into the game without fear.
Thorson is good and has the tools and the football smarts to be a really good NFL QB. He would have gone higher in the draft if not for that nasty injury in his junior year. He was not like himself for the first few games back. He was hesitant and still seemed not to be too sure about the knee.
Once the season continued on, about halfway through the season he started to gain confidence and hit stride becoming his old self again. He was throwing the ball with zip and running with no fear. He lead the Wildcats to a great season and the BigTen West Championship before losing to Ohio State in the BigTen Championship.
If he plays like he can. Thorson is a much better QB than McCoy IMHO. The biggest advantage McCoy has is NFL experience which should not be overlooked.
The guy is a gamer and assuming that he is comfortable with the offence he should be OK. If McCoy is not producing I would think that if he is ready. The Giants could throw him into the game without fear.
Thanks Scott and appreciate this reply...exactly what I was looking to hear from someone who actually watched him play in college.
It's unfortunate that there are many here like FMiC will make foolish statements like "all practice squad QB's are the same."
After Thorson graduated. The QB's that were left including Hunter Johnson the 5 star transfer from Clemson had a real hard time absorbing McCall's offence which was one of the reasons why there was a change made and McCall was replaced by Mike Bajakian from Boston College who runs a more traditional offence. Which in turn helped recruit Patrick Ramsay who chose Northwestern for his senior year this year.
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I’m curious to hear the thoughts of those who have watched more Northwestern football than I have and whether or not he would be a better start than McCoy.
Again, basic reading comprehension seems to continue to give you a ton of trouble. I feel terribly for you.
Actually basic football intelligence (or lack there of) seems to be your problem. Everyone of your posts on this thread is dumb. Thinking of starting a PS player with no experience of a vet is ludicrous.
Colt McCoy is a vet backup QB with a lot of experience as backup. The #2 QB runs the scout team, he does not practice with the 1st team. So he has had very little practice with his receivers. No way to get the timing down.
He will be better this week. Not great, but capable.
Thorson may be activated as 3rd QB in case Jones cannot even back up. He will not see the field.
Where did I say "all practice squad QB's are the same" which you used quotes on there Webster?
I said the "typical practice squad QB".
Per usual - you are handing out admonishments when you can't even get your own reading comprehension straight, Ace.
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It's unfortunate that there are many here like FMiC will make foolish statements like "all practice squad QB's are the same."
Where did I say "all practice squad QB's are the same" which you used quotes on there Webster?
I said the "typical practice squad QB".
Per usual - you are handing out admonishments when you can't even get your own reading comprehension straight, Ace.
Yup, that was your argument for not even considering one. Which means you don't want to hear or learn anything about the guy on our PS b/c that's your belief. It's a pretty straightforward inference based on your statement and argument.
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I’m curious to hear the thoughts of those who have watched more Northwestern football than I have and whether or not he would be a better start than McCoy.
Again, basic reading comprehension seems to continue to give you a ton of trouble. I feel terribly for you.
Actually basic football intelligence (or lack there of) seems to be your problem. Everyone of your posts on this thread is dumb. Thinking of starting a PS player with no experience of a vet is ludicrous.
Colt McCoy is a vet backup QB with a lot of experience as backup. The #2 QB runs the scout team, he does not practice with the 1st team. So he has had very little practice with his receivers. No way to get the timing down.
He will be better this week. Not great, but capable.
Thorson may be activated as 3rd QB in case Jones cannot even back up. He will not see the field.
Except we know what we have in McCoy and the simple fact is that it will be close to impossible for us to win one of the next couple of games (based on the opponent) with him at Qb due to his limited skillset. I wasn't advocating starting Thorson, I was asking people who have watched him play to provide insight to see whether he was a viable option or not.
Isn't that the main responsibility of a backup QB? To be ready to come into game action if the starter goes down?
Of course it is, and their effectiveness is going to depend largely on how much experience they've had in that offense. He's probably had zero reps in practice and no preseason.
But you expect the guy who has never taken an NFL snap and was cut by 2 other teams to be a better option. Colt McCoy was a Heisman runner up, Thorson was a slightly above average college QB. I know which one I'd pick.
Thorson is good and has the tools and the football smarts to be a really good NFL QB. He would have gone higher in the draft if not for that nasty injury in his junior year. He was not like himself for the first few games back. He was hesitant and still seemed not to be too sure about the knee.
Once the season continued on, about halfway through the season he started to gain confidence and hit stride becoming his old self again. He was throwing the ball with zip and running with no fear. He lead the Wildcats to a great season and the BigTen West Championship before losing to Ohio State in the BigTen Championship.
If he plays like he can. Thorson is a much better QB than McCoy IMHO. The biggest advantage McCoy has is NFL experience which should not be overlooked.
The guy is a gamer and assuming that he is comfortable with the offence he should be OK. If McCoy is not producing I would think that if he is ready. The Giants could throw him into the game without fear.
Colt McCoy was a Heisman runner up, and to this day hold most of UT's passing records. To say Thorson is a better QB than McCoy is patently absurd.
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Thorson is good and has the tools and the football smarts to be a really good NFL QB. He would have gone higher in the draft if not for that nasty injury in his junior year. He was not like himself for the first few games back. He was hesitant and still seemed not to be too sure about the knee.
Once the season continued on, about halfway through the season he started to gain confidence and hit stride becoming his old self again. He was throwing the ball with zip and running with no fear. He lead the Wildcats to a great season and the BigTen West Championship before losing to Ohio State in the BigTen Championship.
If he plays like he can. Thorson is a much better QB than McCoy IMHO. The biggest advantage McCoy has is NFL experience which should not be overlooked.
The guy is a gamer and assuming that he is comfortable with the offence he should be OK. If McCoy is not producing I would think that if he is ready. The Giants could throw him into the game without fear.
Colt McCoy was a Heisman runner up, and to this day hold most of UT's passing records. To say Thorson is a better QB than McCoy is patently absurd.
Referencing the Heisman has zero relevance when discussing NFL QBs, and Colt last played for UT more than 10 years ago. He has done absolutely nothing for the past 6 years and it’s dreaming to expect this to now change. I defer to the coaches if Thorson is ready, but I doubt he can do worse thaN McCoy.
Referencing the Heisman has zero relevance when discussing NFL QBs, and Colt last played for UT more than 10 years ago. He has done absolutely nothing for the past 6 years and it’s dreaming to expect this to now change. I defer to the coaches if Thorson is ready, but I doubt he can do worse thaN McCoy.
It has relevance when someone is arguing that Thorson is better than McCoy. I'd love to have a backup QB with more recent experience than McCoy, but that is not where we are. Expecting a guy to take his first NFL snap after spending 2 years on the scrap heap and be successful is the utter definition of insanity.
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Referencing the Heisman has zero relevance when discussing NFL QBs, and Colt last played for UT more than 10 years ago. He has done absolutely nothing for the past 6 years and it’s dreaming to expect this to now change. I defer to the coaches if Thorson is ready, but I doubt he can do worse thaN McCoy.
It has relevance when someone is arguing that Thorson is better than McCoy. I'd love to have a backup QB with more recent experience than McCoy, but that is not where we are. Expecting a guy to take his first NFL snap after spending 2 years on the scrap heap and be successful is the utter definition of insanity.
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Jeff Rutledge is a pretty good comparison.
He'll run the team with no hiccups in getting it lined up, and the play called. And can run if necessary and make the throws.
He's a classic backup NFL quarterback.
Some of you guys are dellusional about expectations.........starting a guy with zero experience?
Except we know what we have in McCoy and the simple fact is that it will be close to impossible for us to win one of the next couple of games (based on the opponent) with him at Qb due to his limited skillset. I wasn't advocating starting Thorson, I was asking people who have watched him play to provide insight to see whether he was a viable option or not.
You do not know (and neither do we) what they have in McCoy. The coaches would not have brought him in at backup if they did not think he could win. He was 6/10 yesterday and just missed Dion Lewis for a TD and made a great throw for what would have been a 1st down to end the game had Fleming not held. Easily should have been 8/11 for about 80-100 yards without any practice time with the receivers.
I'm not saying he is a savior, but he may have just enough to keep it respectable with a chance to win. I would think he would have a much better handle on reading a defense than a nobody off the PS.
Not everybody on the PS is a nobody!!!
Is he the future. No. However throwing in a kid with talent and nothing to lose in a jam can't be any worse than the 2020 Jeff Rutledge as it was put, or Alex Tanney for that matter.
As for the finishing second in 2008 and third for the Heisman in 2009 comment. Who cares. That was 11-12 years ago.
McCoy certainly has not lit up the world as a starter in the NFL since then.
When push comes to shove. I really don't care. Sure as a Northwestern fan it would be cool to see what Thorson can do. However it is certainly not going to keep me up at night if he does not play or if he even gets cut for someone else.
I am certainly not going to get in a pissing match with anyone over it.
Except we know what we have in McCoy and the simple fact is that it will be close to impossible for us to win one of the next couple of games (based on the opponent) with him at Qb due to his limited skillset.
Seattle has struggled defensively this year. If our o-line can control the LOS and can give McCoy time, there’s no reason to think we have no shot next week. We definitely will have to play a solid game on both sides of the ball, but it’s going to come down to McCoy simply not turning the ball over and converting some key 3rd downs. By no means does he have to be a total super hero for us to win.
But, in 4 full starts:
4:3 TD:INT
1057 yards (~265 yards /gm)
71% cmp%
8.3 Y/A
96.4 qb rating
Seems like there’s gotta be some sorta decent game in there somewhere to put up numbers like that. I know I’m cherry-picking one year and sounding a little too optimistic, but I’m just saying with the Giants playing decent football overall I’d rather hand the reins to a guy who’s somewhat of a proven/competent vet like Colt. We’ll still be underdogs of course but i don’t see why so few people are willing to give Colt at least a chance.
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Is he the future. No. However throwing in a kid with talent and nothing to lose in a jam can't be any worse than the 2020 Jeff Rutledge as it was put, or Alex Tanney for that matter.
As for the finishing second in 2008 and third for the Heisman in 2009 comment. Who cares. That was 11-12 years ago.
McCoy certainly has not lit up the world as a starter in the NFL since then.
When push comes to shove. I really don't care. Sure as a Northwestern fan it would be cool to see what Thorson can do. However it is certainly not going to keep me up at night if he does not play or if he even gets cut for someone else.
I am certainly not going to get in a pissing match with anyone over it.
You said Thorson was a better QB than McCoy. Since the only sample we have from Thorson is his college career, McCoy being a Heisman runner up is relevant, even if it was 20 years ago.
McCoy has played for 3 teams in 12 years in the NFL, Thorson is on his 3rd in a little over a year. I rest my case.
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You said Thorson was a better QB than McCoy. Since the only sample we have from Thorson is his college career, McCoy being a Heisman runner up is relevant, even if it was 20 years ago.
McCoy has played for 3 teams in 12 years in the NFL, Thorson is on his 3rd in a little over a year. I rest my case.
I stand by the statement. McCoy is on this team to primarily offer a veteran presence and not give Jones any competition for the starting position. I also made it clear that McCoy's experience is one thing that should not be overlooked.
It is easy to throw out a blanket statement like "Thorson is on his 3rd in a little over a year" without pointing out that he was one of the Cowboys last cuts behind Dak and Dalton, and the Eagles again last cuts after they wanted two veterans behind Wentz. Studfeld who was the projected back up and McCown.
As for your claim about the Heisman. We can agree to disagree.
Like I said. If the coaches feel comfortable putting him in if McCoy does not produce. I think he will do the job. If he doesn't, so be it. The team will probably be looking for some new back ups.
Rarely do they stray during the season. It's about confidence in the player demonstrating in practice they grasp the offense, and they will hopefully execute successfully with a limited number of mistakes on gameday.
It's the same of any football player, they play when they practice well. If they stink in practice, they won't see the field on gameday.