Graham is a Lock to Get a HC Gig

He is making a very good name for himself. How would this D fare with another DC? I'm not too sure it would be very good.

I don't know about that. He very well might one day, but I think there's a solid chance he is our DC next year.

There’s still 5 games to go against some pretty good offenses. If the Giants do well, then he probably gets a shot this year .... if not, then maybe he’ll need to wait another year. His biggest plus is that he’s not in anyone’s shadow ala the situation with the Chiefs. He is the Giants defensive coach. He’ll definitely get his shot and I think he’ll do very well. If It is this year, I hope it’s in a Houston or Atlanta.
Detroit and the Jets are too dysfunctional.

I think they will be looking more at offensive coordinators or quarterback coaches.

Is it true that we get draft picks at least now if some team hires a minority from an other. Heard that thrown around here recently, don’t know if it’s true.
Graham seems to have team really in the right place most times.
And isn’t working with any real pass rush threats either
Could definitely see him being a target. Probably will interview well.

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bring in "his" offense or to have a system that carries over year-to-year, regardless of who the coordinator is.

I don't think the Pats change the offense or defense when they lose the coordinator — but they have BB as head coach. I assume Judge would like to be the same.

Which also makes me wonder: If Graham left, and they want to keep the same system, who gets promoted from within?

is it a possibility? Sure, but not a lock

Eric bienemy has a much better shot than graham does. How many head coaching jobs are going to be available? Jets, jaguars, texans, lions? Graham will get his opportunity if the defense continues to play well under him, but don't think he will make a name for himself yet

from there, nobody knows what will happen. Just because he is doing a decent job as our DC, it does not make him a good head coach. Look no farther than Shurmur.

it'll be hard for a GM to convince a fanbase that hiring a one year DC from a 5-7 win team is a better candidate than all the other proven coordinators (i.e. Eric Bieniemy), even though Giants fans understand his enormous impact on the team's success. I do give one more year though before I start to worry (or if the Giants make an incredible late season run this year with the D carrying us)

This is just idle speculation. Lock implies some actual information or spirce.

there's his replacement.

In comment 15061487 81_Great_Dane said:

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bring in "his" offense or to have a system that carries over year-to-year, regardless of who the coordinator is. I don't think the Pats change the offense or defense when they lose the coordinator — but they have BB as head coach. I assume Judge would like to be the same. Which also makes me wonder: If Graham left, and they want to keep the same system, who gets promoted from within?

Maybe Romeo comes back to finish where he started his professional coaching career.

to keep him, but in no way is it a lock that he will be poached. He’s a good coach who has done an excellent job, but how many coordinators are promoted from losing teams?

But, look at Judge — he blew away his interview. If Graham blows away any interview there’s a good chance he’s gone.

They are still rated #28 in the league, facing the easiest offensive schedule (#32). The have faced Chi (#29), Dal (#26), Wash (#28 twice), Phl (#30 twice), and Cinn (#27).

Their only tests were Pit (#17), SF (#18), LAR (#6), and TB (#8). It's not like he has turned water into wine here, just playing better than the rest of the East.

I think he has more work to do here before he gets coveted in an offseason IMO. His D would have to make a run in the last 5 games and keep them close in a playoff game.

Giants get 2 #3 round picks?

He might be like a Judge hire - he comes in to interview and blows everyone away.

He'll definitely get interviews based on Rooney Rule.

Yes, it's true.
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A successful coordinator. Graham may turn out to be a good HC but I would give him another year as DC first.

When he was the Giants’ defensive line couch, he looked like a future DC. He didn’t look so good last year in Miami, although there were probably other reasons, and Miami didn’t try to retain him.

...or hopefully that he stays, but I think me might be a hiring cycle away.

There are a lot of hot names ahead of him:

Eric Bieniemy
Josh McDaniel
Jim Harbaugh
Rob Saleh
Joe Brady
Brian Daboll
Greg Roman
Wink Martindale
Matt Campbell
Dennis Allen
Todd Bowles
Pete Carmichael
Matt Eberflus
Dave Toub
Leslie Frazier
Byron Leftwich
Nathaniel Hackett
Nick Sirianni
Todd Monken
Arthur Smith
Brian Schottenheimer
Brandon Staley
Jack Del Rio

Not necessarily more deserving to be hired, but more likely to be hired.

I think he will be here another year

to get a shot. New hires have been biased toward offensive coaches, and a lot of the teams hiring are likely going to want to pair their young QB with an offensive-minded coach (Jets with Lawrence, Jags with Fields?, Texans and Watson, etc).

A guy like Saleh in SF seems like a stronger candidate if you're looking for a young defensive coach.

yes it's a dramatic turnaround. betcher was god awful though. but i think they need to win consistently at a high level before that happens.

In comment 15061540 JB_in_DC said:

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to get a shot. New hires have been biased toward offensive coaches, and a lot of the teams hiring are likely going to want to pair their young QB with an offensive-minded coach (Jets with Lawrence, Jags with Fields?, Texans and Watson, etc). A guy like Saleh in SF seems like a stronger candidate if you're looking for a young defensive coach.

There is also the theory that if you hire a Defensive coach he is more likely to bring in an OC that will develop the QB rather than trying to fit the QB into the Head Coach's system. I know I personally would not hire a Head Coach who wants to be his own coordinator, no matter what side of the ball, unless he had a track record of winning (a la Little Bill). I do not think Graham will necessary get a HC gig, but I could see him being an attractive "Rooney Rule" candidate and you never know what will happen at an interview. If Graham has the right OC lined up (a la Rhule with Brady) that could tempt a team.

If he puts back to back good seasons we're screwed.

when he gets his HC job?

In comment 15061534 Ivan15 said:

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A successful coordinator. Graham may turn out to be a good HC but I would give him another year as DC first. When he was the Giants’ defensive line couch, he looked like a future DC. He didn’t look so good last year in Miami, although there were probably other reasons, and Miami didn’t try to retain him.

I've been banging the table for teams to look at special teams guys for a while. Or at least had that in background. They understand the team holistically much better than these coordinators, plus coordinators tend to get lost on their side of ball in game. The only time these coordinators work is when they really are elite at being a coordinator, think Shanahan or Reid.

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They are still rated #28 in the league, facing the easiest offensive schedule (#32). The have faced Chi (#29), Dal (#26), Wash (#28 twice), Phl (#30 twice), and Cinn (#27). Their only tests were Pit (#17), SF (#18), LAR (#6), and TB (#8). It's not like he has turned water into wine here, just playing better than the rest of the East. I think he has more work to do here before he gets coveted in an offseason IMO. His D would have to make a run in the last 5 games and keep them close in a playoff game.

In what world is the defense rated 28th? They're currently ranked 9th in total defense, 19th in passing defense, 6th in rushing, 10th in points/game, and 6th in takeaways. By almost every measure, this is a top 10 defense Graham is running.

Graham track record before coming here this year wasn't great. Many players in Miami were critical of him

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This is just idle speculation. Lock implies some actual information or spirce.

Sorry to trick you. My opinion is it's a lock.

Regardless of how well Graham is doing. All they see is 4-7, worst division in football, etc. People like Bieniemy, Saleh, and Joe Brady have gotten way more press, and would probably get first consideration.

I've got nothing to base it on, but I get the feeling Graham would want to stay one more year and continue building on what he's established. They did give him an assistant head coach title, and there might be other incentives in play (or there will be) that we don't know about.

I think the trends favor smart, young, and recent relevant success leading a unit.

I think everyone will be looking for the next Flores, not the next McCarthy.

If I were to bet on 2 guys who will get gigs, I'd wager Bienemy and Graham.

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In comment 15061510 stoneman said: Quote: They are still rated #28 in the league, facing the easiest offensive schedule (#32). The have faced Chi (#29), Dal (#26), Wash (#28 twice), Phl (#30 twice), and Cinn (#27). Their only tests were Pit (#17), SF (#18), LAR (#6), and TB (#8). It's not like he has turned water into wine here, just playing better than the rest of the East. I think he has more work to do here before he gets coveted in an offseason IMO. His D would have to make a run in the last 5 games and keep them close in a playoff game. In what world is the defense rated 28th? They're currently ranked 9th in total defense, 19th in passing defense, 6th in rushing, 10th in points/game, and 6th in takeaways. By almost every measure, this is a top 10 defense Graham is running.

Football Outsiders - Defense Adjusted Value over Average

It is not based on yards/points, etc - they currently sit at 28 - mainly because of opponents (#32)

DVOA is a method of evaluating teams, units, or players. It takes every single play during the NFL season and compares each one to a league-average baseline based on situation. DVOA measures not just yardage, but yardage towards a first down: Five yards on third-and-4 are worth more than five yards on first-and-10 and much more than five yards on third-and-12. Red zone plays are worth more than other plays. Performance is also adjusted for the quality of the opponent. DVOA is a percentage, so a team with a DVOA of 10.0% is 10 percent better than the average team, and a quarterback with a DVOA of -20.0% is 20 percent worse than the average quarterback. Because DVOA measures scoring, defenses are better when they are negative.

Not to go off on this one. A fucking 4-7 team is a lock, a lock to lose the defensive coordinator, have you looked at any facts and numbers, like points allowed vs the points scored by the opponents, have you compared it vs the teams in our division or conference, you do realize the interviews usually go to Superbowl teams or teams that are competitive, winning most of thier games. No, rest easy, he is safe where he is this season. Sounds like I am listening to Jet fans talking, 4-7 and we even read the word Superbowl here today.

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Quite possibly the most ridicullous assertion I have read on this board.....and that is saying a lot.

Have like 17 betting options for lions’ coach. Graham isn’t on their list. Not that they eventual hire as to come from this list, but you shouldnt be calling someone a lock when the world at large isn’t even giving him a thought. So, I wouldn’t break out the sackcloth and ashes yet.

Saleh and Bienemy have been sexy coordinator candidates for at least two years. Graham hasn’t leapfrogged them in 11 games, IMO.
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Because they're likely getting the best QB prospect in a couple decades or since Andrew Luck.

That alone makes the job attractive.

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Trevor Lawrence?

I'm really not sure we're at even two wins.

Since that Cowboy debacle, the defense has more than carried their weight to keep us in games while the offense has sputtered along.

In this three game win streak, they saved the Bengals game, shut down Wentz, and held the WFT to 20 points.

Hell, Graham pitched a good game against the Bucs but Jones was awful...

In comment 15062038 pjcas18 said:

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In comment 15062036 short lease said: Quote: ? Because they're likely getting the best QB prospect in a couple decades or since Andrew Luck. That alone makes the job attractive.

Pj - he is going to be a bust. Cut/paste and save this ....so you can rub it in my face in about 3-4 years from now. But, I have the feeling I will never see this post again.