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Important under-the-radar injury from the Cincy game

Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/30/2020 1:57 pm
Kyler Fackrell left the game in the 3rd quarter with that dreaded "calf" injury.

With Lorenzo Carter and Oshane Ximines done, we can't really afford to lose another edge rusher.
This is a great point.  
Jon in NYC : 11/30/2020 1:59 pm : link
Fackrell is no world beater, but he is the best of a bunch of average options. It's a nice story but the less Niko Lalos we see the better off we'll be.

Thought it was interesting that Lalos was activated over Trent Harris.
Also Ebner  
BLUATHRT : 11/30/2020 2:02 pm : link
Huge difference on coverage units with him in.
Sheard, Coughlin, Cam Brown all got more snaps  
nym172 : 11/30/2020 2:10 pm : link
They all bring more juice than Frackrell in the pass rush game. Even Lalos got some pressures.

Where we will miss Frackrell is setting the edge and ability to play coverage and play inside outside at LB....versatility.

With CLE/SEA coming up those are heavy run teams.

Mayo was playing some edge in run downs. They will need a group effort to replace Frackrell.

They do have Trent Harris as well who was inactive who i imagine will get bought back.
Ebner is also a big injury  
nym172 : 11/30/2020 2:13 pm : link
We need Colbert and Ryan Lewis back, those guys are good STers. especially Colbert.
They've been using Coughlin and Brown  
SirYesSir : 11/30/2020 2:15 pm : link
more and more in recent weeks....and they're showing some improvement.
and Sheard....  
SirYesSir : 11/30/2020 2:16 pm : link
don't forget Sheard. We've got bodies, but lose flexibility and are open to problems if we lose another one or two
But  
ChicagoMarty : 11/30/2020 2:16 pm : link
we should see some reinforcements on other fronts.

Kaden Smith should return from the Covid list and present an upgrade to Toilo at TE

Matt Peart should also return and perhaps steal some snaps from Flemming

Pettis might be ready to go and be an upgrade at Pr in lieu of Peppers. He might also present as a wr speed option across from Slayton on a few snaps.

Could Colbert get off the IR this week to replace Ebner?

Would it be helpful to have Ryan Lewis cb return this week against the vaunted Seahawk passing attack?
Pettis’ punt return history is not impressive.  
Ivan15 : 11/30/2020 2:26 pm : link
I would rather have Peppers.
i think Lalos is gonna be a player  
japanhead : 11/30/2020 2:26 pm : link
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RE: This is a great point.  
Spider56 : 11/30/2020 2:31 pm : link
In comment 15061477 Jon in NYC said:
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Fackrell is no world beater, but he is the best of a bunch of average options. It's a nice story but the less Niko Lalos we see the better off we'll be.

Thought it was interesting that Lalos was activated over Trent Harris.


Don’t be so pessimistic ... Facjrell is an asset but go back and watch the plays Lalos makes in the game ... on his interception he was actually rushing the passer on the left side of the defense and came back across while the ball was in the air to make the catch. He also had great coverage on the fumble Ryan caused. Also, Carter Coughlin had good pressure and helped cause the Allen fumble at the end. The plays are on BBV if you want to watch them in slo mo.
Carter Coughlin will get his snaps  
Simms11 : 11/30/2020 2:32 pm : link
along with Cam Brown. Man are we inexperienced on the Edge!
RE: Carter Coughlin will get his snaps  
Spider56 : 11/30/2020 2:38 pm : link
In comment 15061572 Simms11 said:
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along with Cam Brown. Man are we inexperienced on the Edge!


Ya ... the thought of these guys looking across at Russell Wilson next week is not a warm fuzzy, but think of the experience they’ll get that will help for the next weeks.
Fackrell has been a really valuable piece to this D,  
BelieveJJ : 11/30/2020 2:42 pm : link
but lets not pretend his ansence is like having to go without LT or Carl Banks... Although maybe it is a little, given the replacements for LT and Banks were Headen and Hunt. Time for Brown, Coughlin, Lalos, and Harris to step up into their roles.

BTW don't undersell what McKinney getting minutes for Peppers on the back end might bring to the front 7, because that frees up Peppers to play a role like a smaller, more athletic version of Fackrell's role.

While not remotely a true EDGE player, Peppers functions at a high level as a wildcard member of the D front 7, a very high level IMHO.
hate to see so many injuries at 1 position, but I don't think he's  
Victor in CT : 11/30/2020 2:44 pm : link
a huge loss. As with the OL, let the kids play and get experience.
Carter Coughlin looks better than Fackrell  
90.Cal : 11/30/2020 2:49 pm : link
IMO. From Carter to Cam to Tae... not a bad early return on our day 3 guys. Lemieux... not bad DG..
Quite frankly, Fackrell  
section125 : 11/30/2020 3:19 pm : link
is not that important. He rarely gets pressure on the QB. Coughlin and Brown are much better getting to the QB.

Ebner may be more important, but again he is a replaceable part.
good point - calf injuries seem to always be multi-week injuries too  
Eric on Li : 11/30/2020 3:22 pm : link
so it may be a little bit until we see him again, may even be a trip to IR to open up a spot to bring up Harris.
RE: Quite frankly, Fackrell  
christian : 11/30/2020 4:21 pm : link
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is not that important. He rarely gets pressure on the QB. Coughlin and Brown are much better getting to the QB.

Ebner may be more important, but again he is a replaceable part.


Frackrell: 3 sacks | 13 pressures | 2 PDs

Coughlin + Brown: 1 sack | 3 pressure | 0 PDs
RE: RE: Quite frankly, Fackrell  
Victor in CT : 11/30/2020 5:02 pm : link
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is not that important. He rarely gets pressure on the QB. Coughlin and Brown are much better getting to the QB.

Ebner may be more important, but again he is a replaceable part.



Frackrell: 3 sacks | 13 pressures | 2 PDs

Coughlin + Brown: 1 sack | 3 pressure | 0 PDs


but how many snaps each??
Sheard made a couple of big plays  
jeff57 : 11/30/2020 5:04 pm : link
Brown looked fast. Fackrell would no be a major loss.
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christian : 11/30/2020 5:18 pm : link
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is not that important. He rarely gets pressure on the QB. Coughlin and Brown are much better getting to the QB.

Ebner may be more important, but again he is a replaceable part.



Frackrell: 3 sacks | 13 pressures | 2 PDs

Coughlin + Brown: 1 sack | 3 pressure | 0 PDs


Frackrell has like 8 times the snaps of the other 2 combined. But it's pretty flimsy to say they are "much better" when they've combined for 70 snaps and minimal production.

I'm assuming Coughlin gets the starts -- we'll get a better sense if he's much better soon.
RE: RE: RE: Quite frankly, Fackrell  
section125 : 11/30/2020 5:21 pm : link
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is not that important. He rarely gets pressure on the QB. Coughlin and Brown are much better getting to the QB.

Ebner may be more important, but again he is a replaceable part.



Frackrell: 3 sacks | 13 pressures | 2 PDs

Coughlin + Brown: 1 sack | 3 pressure | 0 PDs



but how many snaps each??


Exactly. I cannot remember the last time Fackrell made a play. Carter and Coughlin really only started playing in the Philly game?

Hey, I maybe wrong, but while Fackrell has been solid, he has not been dynamic.
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