It seems to me like this team is really starting to develop. I think we *have* to keep Leonard Williams. Would love to keep Dalvin Tomlinson too.
If we're able to keep both, and add an edge rusher, a wide receiver, and a cornerback, I think we're pretty much there as a contender.
Looking forward to seeing Peart play too.
Also, getting back Barkley and Zo Carter next year could be huge if the lines are truly developing. There have been several plays that Gallman has made, that if it was Barkley, he would have taken it to the house for sure.
So if you agree with me that we need those three positions---who do you want? We can probably get 1 through free agency and two through the draft.
Personally, I would love to sign Ryan Kerrigan, I think he would be a great fit as a veteran pass rusher. I would then draft a cornerback like Caleb Farley in Round 1, and a wide receiver like Rashod Bateman in round 2.
It should be a fun off-season when we get there.
Having said that, I think they're getting closer. The embarrassment that was the SF game is growing distant in the rear-view mirror. On that day, I was pretty convinced that this was not only the worst team in the NFL, but perhaps the worst Giants team I've ever watched. Maybe the worst NFL team I've ever watched. We were unable to even be a tiny bit competitive against a team full of backups.
Now, we've looked much better. The opposition hasn't been all that great, but it tells me that we've risen above the bottom of the league anyway.
Another question is - how close are the Redskins? Statistically they have a pretty good team right now.
If he doesn't, we're about 5 really good players away, because you're going to have to win with balance on offense and an elite defense.
i'm encouraged by the OL play and the Defense is coming along. Just need some pieces
Coaching staff is really doing a great job, i'm optimistic about the future for the first time ever
I would say they need a true pass rusher on defense, a true #1 WR, and Engram to play with consistency. Those 3 things alone won't make them contenders, but it will put them further on the path to being one.
Their QB is a question mark and is injured again. They don't have the WRs or TEs. Their number one offensive threat, Barkley, hasn't worked out. The OL is a work in progress but improving. The offense has struggled to score over 20 points all season.
D looks further along- need corners and edge rushers.
So, not that close at all, but closer than they were under Shurmur and Bettcher.
Also a legit WR so Slayton is #2, Shepard #3.
another OL always helps. And a legit 2 way TE.
an edge rusher who can apply some reasonable pressure, which would make Williams and the DL tougher to block
They have players at each level of the D right now
There is no NFL team who thinks they have enough CB - always important
A no 1 WR and moving Slayton to 2 and Shepard the slot. A No 1 forces teams to focus on him. Right now they don’t have that. Tate can’t separate from any CB, and Slayton is on 1 leg. Shep is a good player
Just look what Cindy did with Engram - they switched and put a CB on him - teams would have a major issue defending if you had a 1, Slayton, Shep, Engram & Barkley
I think amazingly, OL can be moved down
This team has talent, but not having that talent at certain positions makes life difficult
defense, we need EDGE still, and another actual starting caliber CB. Linebacker, it's hard to say with injuries but we definitely need another starting LB.
Secondary is actually rounding into surprisingly good shape. If we got a corner nearly as good as Bradberry, the secondary would be quite alright.
Amazing to believe they're actually *close* - but they are.
The key is building on that defense without losing pieces. Martinez has been an AWESOME surprise.
They're close to being a .500 team, I think. Need a fairly significant upgrade in talent to be a legit playoff team rather than some bullshit "6-10 wins the division" playoff team.
But if they all do return to that level and Jones continues to progress under Garrett's well proven QB tutelage, this team is much closer than many will acknowledge.
Again, IF they can retain Williams, Tomlinson and Logan Ryan.
They still will need a CB outside and another dynamic defender at edge or LB and an impact pass catcher w(WR or TE).
Pretty tall order for one off season, and a lot of big IFS.
They're close to being a .500 team, I think. Need a fairly significant upgrade in talent to be a legit playoff team rather than some bullshit "6-10 wins the division" playoff team.
Your derision of Carter after only 2 seasons was almost as irrational as your hatred of VA Tech.
Yo.
Also a legit WR so Slayton is #2, Shepard #3.
another OL always helps. And a legit 2 way TE.
That's about my assessment too. An awesome TE would just do wonders for this offense in my opinion.
I have to admit, the Williams trade really could work out in favor if we're actually able to sign him long term. I'll always wonder what could have been if we just targetted him in FA instead of trading picks for him, but having played on the team under the franchise tag this season really might give the Giants a negotiation advantage if he'd prefer to stay put.
Their QB is a question mark and is injured again. They don't have the WRs or TEs. Their number one offensive threat, Barkley, hasn't worked out. The OL is a work in progress but improving. The offense has struggled to score over 20 points all season.
D looks further along- need corners and edge rushers.
So, not that close at all, but closer than they were under Shurmur and Bettcher.
Good comments here. I would only alter your point about Edge as a need. A need in the sense of investing big cap dollars.
Graham looks like he's a card carrying member of the Pass Rush by Committee Club (founder B.Belichick). And likes to use scheme and confusion over leaving that job up to one Stud. That works if you can beef up on the back end, particularly corner.
Since we already have a great cover corner in JB, I would look to add another bookend corner (a Kenny King type) and maybe another slot guy to deal with TE and/or the Y.
And then leave it to Graham to create more schemes in his lab that differ week to week...
Quote:
Some of you are going to carry a torch for that guy forever.
They're close to being a .500 team, I think. Need a fairly significant upgrade in talent to be a legit playoff team rather than some bullshit "6-10 wins the division" playoff team.
Your derision of Carter after only 2 seasons was almost as irrational as your hatred of VA Tech.
Yo.
How is it derision? The OP mentioned Carter and Barkley in the same sentence, as if the return of one has the same magnitude as the return of the other.
4-5 more quality starters.
And a lot of better depth players.
That is next phase.
It seems easy to upgrade a WR corps from Slayton, Shepard, Tate, Board and Mack. Only Slayton and Shepard are on the 2021 team.
The OL should be better in 2021 with a full off season NFL training regiment, OTAs, minicamps and 4 preseason games.
Bradberry, Peppers, McKinney, Holmes and Love are a decent group to build on. I'd re-sign Logan Ryan.
Get an Edge, WR, CB and TE in the draft and / or free agency. Add smart, role players via draft, free agency and UDFAs.
They need a solid ER - while Carter was turning the corner we do not know if he was legit or not nor do we know if he makes it back to the field. Brown and Coughlin are starting to make an impact off the edge. They may have some homegrown talent. Both will need to add about 20/25 lbs to be every down players.
Another CB is almost a necessity - but I have to give Yiadom his due. He is playing well or at least competently.
Engram is looking better each week and even made a few nice blocks.
It really comes down to coaching, doesn't it.
As far as LW, would love to see him in Blue next year. But it dawned on me this morning that Belichick rarely re-signed expensive vet dline. They may keep Tomlinson and let LW seek a big contract next season. I would not be surprised to see them draft another big DT for next season.
Tomlinson is #3 because, even though he is playing very well, nose tackles appear to be easy to replace.
Down-the-roster decisions on Engram, Gallman are challenging. Is Hernandez due too? Then, there is Fackrell and Fleming (as a Swing Tackle).
Veteran releases? Solder, Zeitler? You need 3 tackles and 3 guards. Can Solder stay as a replacement swing tackle instead of Fleming? Is there value in keeping Zeitler or do you go with someone like Slade as a backup?
However, they still need an offseason of acquiring some more talent.
Quote:
too many years of not playing and hes not a Judge guy.
Also a legit WR so Slayton is #2, Shepard #3.
another OL always helps. And a legit 2 way TE.
That's about my assessment too. An awesome TE would just do wonders for this offense in my opinion.
I have to admit, the Williams trade really could work out in favor if we're actually able to sign him long term. I'll always wonder what could have been if we just targetted him in FA instead of trading picks for him, but having played on the team under the franchise tag this season really might give the Giants a negotiation advantage if he'd prefer to stay put.
I didn't like trading picks for an FA with a 2-6 record, but you have give credit that they read LWs talent AND character correctly
They are downhill running currently because that is what Gallman does, it's what his strength is. Barkley gives you a ton of versatility running the football. Moreover, Barkley would fit any type of offense and still be one of, if not the, best player(s) on the field.
When we had great pass rushers we kept drafting them. We need two more really good receivers because odds are one will get hurt.
We need to keep drafting online even if we have our new 5 because of our strength on o is a powerful online we need to be able to sustain injuries.
So I think we can keep next year with a few additions as long as we are a very healthy team. It takes a few years to develop the right depth that can sustain injuries. This also includes a top notch backup qb for where we have one that gets hurt. You have a great backup, develop for a few years and then trade for picks and start again with another cost controlled backup.
Quote:
else feel that Barkley doesn't fit this downhill running game and that maybe he is better utilized as a jack knife. Split wide, in the slot, set at RB for passes and specialty plays. Wouldn't he be more valuable as a hybrid WR/RB than insisting he be a traditional between the tackles RB like Zeke?
They are downhill running currently because that is what Gallman does, it's what his strength is. Barkley gives you a ton of versatility running the football. Moreover, Barkley would fit any type of offense and still be one of, if not the, best player(s) on the field.
right.. but wouldn't it be cool to utilize both at the same time. Keep the power running and move Barkley around more. I don't think power running 20 times a game suits Barkley's skill set. He's more of a chess piece.
Quote:
In comment 15061759 Greg from LI said:
Quote:
Some of you are going to carry a torch for that guy forever.
They're close to being a .500 team, I think. Need a fairly significant upgrade in talent to be a legit playoff team rather than some bullshit "6-10 wins the division" playoff team.
Your derision of Carter after only 2 seasons was almost as irrational as your hatred of VA Tech.
Yo.
How is it derision? The OP mentioned Carter and Barkley in the same sentence, as if the return of one has the same magnitude as the return of the other.
Greg has been calling Carter "crap" for a long time, goes back to all last year, and maybe even before.
So my comment was aimed at his whole history of comments about Carter, and I subtly alluded to that.
Greg has been calling Carter "crap" for a long time, goes back to all last year, and maybe even before.
So my comment was aimed at his whole history of comments about Carter, and I subtly alluded to that.
A long time....says the November 2020 registration. So what was your old screen name, dupe?
Quote:
Greg has been calling Carter "crap" for a long time, goes back to all last year, and maybe even before.
So my comment was aimed at his whole history of comments about Carter, and I subtly alluded to that.
A long time....says the November 2020 registration. So what was your old screen name, dupe?
Better to be a dupe than a dope. Mate.
You've been a griping idiot here a long time, and Lorenzo Carter is only a recent example of your football ignorance.
Dope.
They need to finish the OL, add at least one WR, need SB back to full health, gonna need a DT to replace Tomlinson, ILB, two OLB, CB, and depth all over the roster.
The big key is Jones, is he a championship caliber QB in the NFL. Too soon to say definitively. I like what he's made of, he just has to keep growing and get the experience under his belt.