College QB who you thought would excel in pros, but sucked..

It was Akili Smith.

I thought Joey Harrington was going to be Favre 2.0

Rosen, hence why I'm not in an NFL front office

Is my most recent. Though he was the best in his class.

Overall that entire class other then Jackson has been very disappointing

Sam Darnold. That's right - I'm owning it.

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Is my most recent. Though he was the best in his class. Overall that entire class other then Jackson has been very disappointing

Josh Allen has been damn good also.

I wanted the Giants to draft Darnold or Rosen in 2018. Once again I am glad that I do not make personnel decisions for the Giants.

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Sam Darnold. That's right - I'm owning it.

Bold. And I like it. Remember the Jets official Twitter account trolling us for passing on Darnold? Ha.

I saw a bunch of his games at Oregon and he was just studly. Great kid, great competitor, athletic and smart. However playing out of the spread his whole career hurt his ability in the pro's. A number of good posters here pointed at this as a fatal flaw and they were right.

for a draft pick is ridiculous..

NFL. Ryan Leaf
Giants. Danny Kanell

Both Darnold and Rosen have played for the worst teams in football and will get another chance. Of the two, I think Darnold has been worse, but too many variables to make a fair comparison. If Rosen hasn't shined by 2023 (give or take a year), I will include him with Akili Smith. Never liked Darnold. He was my least favorite of the four who went in the top ten.

and Matt Leinart

I thought he’d be a stud and was furious when Dallas signed him on the cheap. I still wonder if he would’ve had at least a serviceable career if not for his flirtation with baseball.

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It's getting late early for Rosen. The dude is on the practice squad. That's like one step out of the league. My problem with Rosen in 2018 was his commitment to the game. He seems like a pretty bright kid from a good background & there were concerns that he wasn't 100% invested in football. I have no idea if those concerns are legit, but they were a huge red flag at the time to me.

nagel

but Couch, McNown, Harrington, and Rosen all come to mind.

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In comment 15062150 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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It's getting late early for Rosen. The dude is on the practice squad. That's like one step out of the league.

It's a unique situation for him because his contract was guaranteed and so he is still being paid big bucks by Miami. Any money he earns with Tampa Bay is subtracted from that which he gets from Miami, so it makes sense for him to prefer the practice squad, which gives him more freedom to jump to a team that would give him a shot at starting if a starting job opened up. It's not like Miami released him in March. They waited until July. If this had been a normal off-season (no COVID) and if his 2020 salary wasn't guaranteed, I think he would've landed on a team's active roster. Choosing Tampa Bay under the current circumstances was a very wise move on his part (considering Brady's age and Tampa's offense).

Assuming you mean first rounders.

Off the top of my head...

Rick Mirer
Matt Leinert
Brady Quinn
David Carr

was the Poster Child.

Leinart was carried by Bush.

And Yes Josh Rosen...whom I thought would be good.

I wanted Jack Thompson the throwin samoan though he would be good

In comment 15062143 Milton said:

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Both Darnold and Rosen have played for the worst teams in football and will get another chance. Of the two, I think Darnold has been worse, but too many variables to make a fair comparison. If Rosen hasn't shined by 2023 (give or take a year), I will include him with Akili Smith. Never liked Darnold. He was my least favorite of the four who went in the top ten.

You obviously are a big fan. Since he has been in the NFL what do you like most about Rosen that makes you still believe in him?

I saw a bunch of his games his senior year at Louisville and Nagle was fantastic. When the Jets drafted him, I said, wow, the Jets just got a really good quarterback.

Well, that turned out to not be the case...

of Southern Miss had a shot to have a nice career. Smart, accurate, read defenses well. Didn’t work out. He’s actually Russell Wilson’s coach now.

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There was that one time

After that amazing MVP championship game in college, I thought he'd do way more... I wouldn't exactly say he sucked, but he did crash and burn.

In comment 15062143 Milton said:

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Both Darnold and Rosen have played for the worst teams in football and will get another chance. Of the two, I think Darnold has been worse, but too many variables to make a fair comparison. If Rosen hasn't shined by 2023 (give or take a year), I will include him with Akili Smith. Never liked Darnold. He was my least favorite of the four who went in the top ten.

Darnold has been worse?? Have you watched any of Rosen's games? Darnold had a few very strong games during his rookie season and during the end of last season. Rosen hasn't played well in any game in his brief NFL career. Honestly I would be shocked if Rosen is on an NFL roster in 2022. It wouldn't surprise me if his career is over after this season.

I was living near LA at the time and found both dazzling. Couldn't decide who would turn out better.

Turns out I was half right, to this point. The question has just morphed into who is turning out worse...

would be good. Jameis threw some INTs in college and had some clear character concerns but he also seemed to have that "it" factor and he might have had the best Freshman season in recent NCAA history. His Sophomore season wasn't as good but I was just so blown away by what he did as a Freshman that I kind of ignored all the question marks. In hindsight, that 25 TD to 18 INT ratio in his Soph season sticks out like a sore thumb.

Mariota was a weirder prospect due to the crazy Oregon offense but he was just an absolute machine in college and looked like an awesome blend of passing and running ability. I thought both of these 2 guys could be stars.

I also thought RG3 was going to be a menace in our division for a decade. People forget how hotly contested the Luck vs. RG3 debate was at the time, Luck was the safer prospect but RG3 had the higher ceiling. There was a brief moment in American Sports where RG3 and Derrick Rose were the two most popular athletes in the country and considered the future of their respective leagues, but that was truly a fleeting moment.

Did that even last a minute? If memory serves, both suffered devastating injuries within months of one another in 2012.

His release was as fast as anyone I had seen since Marino. His arm strength was ridiculous and he carried Tulane to being a legitimate college team. I was very wrong.

would be so much more than he became. Browning Nagel and Drew Henson.

Thought he was an incredible combination of talent, work ethic and leadership

I preferred him to Peyton that year.

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Darnold has been worse?? Have you watched any of Rosen's games? Darnold had a few very strong games during his rookie season and during the end of last season. Rosen hasn't played well in any game in his brief NFL career. Honestly I would be shocked if Rosen is on an NFL roster in 2022. It wouldn't surprise me if his career is over after this season.

I said this on the Rosen thread earlier today. Rosen made some great throws his rookie season. Definitely showed he had the arm talent. He was just "protected" by five parking pylons. Hell, that Cards team was a train wreck everywhere on offense...

I have no idea what happened in Miami.

Jamarcus Russel

Matt Leinart

... though I think he faced some unprecedented roadblocks.

So, going back - Tim Couch.I thought the guy was the next superstar. But it just didn't happen because of injuries - and Cleveland.

Moreso the former.

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Did that even last a minute? If memory serves, both suffered devastating injuries within months of one another in 2012.

I don't know the exact timetable, based on a quick search it seems like Rose was already hurt a few months before RG3 played a regular season snap. But this was before all the countless setbacks Rose faced so there was still a ton of hope he would bounce back to his previous MVP level. And RG3 was also heavily hyped before putting on an NFL jersey. But I definitely remember Derrick Rose and RG3 being everywhere in terms of marketing, they were both being pushed so hard.

... I was one of the faithful.

Losman
Mirer
Leaf
Ware
Smith

Off the top of my head

Robert Griffin III

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vote for Josh Rosen. Also JP Losman for the reasons BLUATHRT said.

In college, he was big, but moved well for his size and had a great arm. I thought he was going to be every bit as good as Peyton.

You can’t see inside someone’s head and heart watching games on TV.

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I thought Mark Herman out of Purdue was going to be the Broncos (the Colts) QB of the future back in the early ‘80s. Instead he ended up as a minor footnote.

In comment 15062125 kes722 said:

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Is my most recent. Though he was the best in his class. Overall that entire class other then Jackson has been very disappointing

You are forgetting Josh Allen in Buffalo.

Jones

There I said it.

Drew Hansen, Ryan Mallett, Landry Jones, Brandon Weeden, Jake Locker, Jimmy Clausen, Brady Quinn, Matt Schaub (but he did have a decent career), Kyle Boller, Chris Simms, Tim Couch

Oh and Tim Tebow

game is so different to evaluate a QB's skills on a good team.

I watched CJ Leak play his entire HS career. Thought he was a can't miss NFL prospect. I don't think he was ever on a NFL roster, although I could be wrong.

I loved Haskins as a Buckeye.

I'm not picking QBs for anyone, thank G-d.

Bad skill talent, bad OL, bad Coach, bad GM

They Jets have done nothing to help him. The Colts with that OL are a perfect spot for him

Tim Couch and David Carr were guys who could play and got the shit beat out of them. Jets are letting Darnold take a beating while seemingly ready to move on

Sam Bradford
Marcus Mariota
Vince Young

Griffing. Although I was also a booster for Josh Rosen. I wanted one of the two Joshes -- Rosen or Allen. I read somewhere that DG said he would have picked Allen had he picked a QB that year. He said that shortly after that draft happened.

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I read somewhere that DG said he would have picked Allen had he picked a QB that year. He said that shortly after that draft happened.

Are you sure you aren't mixing up years and thinking of the LB/Edge I'm pretty sure DG mentioned him post draft...

As for the QB Josh Allen, that was the miss right now. He's having a break out season and is a real dual-threat NFL QB with a generational arm.

still hoping he gets a fair shot but as of now, one of my biggest misses ever.

He had a howitzer for an arm and just enough athletic ability to keep plays alive.

I didn't know that he was a world class jack@ss off the field....which led to him playing for many teams before his act wore thin.

Always threw a great ball though.

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still hoping he gets a fair shot but as of now, one of my biggest misses ever.

Did you watch any of his rookie year?

I caught a few games and I swear Rosen made some tremendous throws. Unfortunately it was a perfect storm the wrong way - limited weapons, laughable protection, and Rosen's lack of athleticism...

I thought in his 1st 5 seasons in the NFL that Winston would have a MVP trophy. I was completely sold on his arm talent and his abilities as a leader. He can still sling it with anyone, but his decision making is what has killed him.

QB from Notre Dame. Drafted by the Jets in same year they drafted Joe Namath.

He's been benched a few times but he hasn't missed a game due to injury. Darnold has been injured repeatedly and both Allen and Mayfield have missed time to injury. Of course I realize it's hard to get injured when you are on the bench, but for all the criticism over his college injuries and concussions, he held up pretty good behind inferior lines in Arizona and Miami. It's not like he didn't take a beating when he was on the field.

It'll be interesting to see what Brady chooses after the season. Does he call it a career or give it one more year? If he calls it a career, will Arians sign Rosen to be his starter (or with a clear shot at the starting gig)?

Matt Flynn
I thought Brett Hundley with the right coaching would be good. I thought Jim Mora Jr stunted his growth at UCLA but that someone in the NFL would get a lot out of him.

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You obviously are a big fan. Since he has been in the NFL what do you like most about Rosen that makes you still believe in him?

Sorry, Steve, just seeing this now. It's not so much that I still believe him, it's that I haven't seen enough "bad" to shut the door on him, especially given the circumstances in which he found himself. Kingsbury had already professed his love for Kyler Murray before even becoming head coach of the Cardinals and it is was widely reported that the Dolphins already had a hard on for Tua when they made the trade for Rosen.

What I liked about Rosen in the draft was his courage in the pocket and his picture perfect mechanics. That hasn't changed I don't think, so why assume he can't rebound under the right circumstances?

I don't know why but I thought he had the goods. Rosen and mariota are others.

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Assuming you mean first rounders. Off the top of my head... Rick Mirer Matt Leinert Brady Quinn David Carr

Good list.

Carr's whole career was derailed after that first season. He played well but got the shit kicked out of him. He was sacked something like 70 times that year. He took a serious beating and played with the football equivalent of PTSD for the rest of his career.

David Klinger and Josh Rosen

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In comment 15062166 bw in dc said: Quote: Assuming you mean first rounders. Off the top of my head... Rick Mirer Matt Leinert Brady Quinn David Carr Good list. Carr's whole career was derailed after that first season. He played well but got the shit kicked out of him. He was sacked something like 70 times that year. He took a serious beating and played with the football equivalent of PTSD for the rest of his career.

I want to say it was around Year 3 when Carr finally had an OL and you saw what type of QB he could have been. Carr is a warning to teams that you can't take a franchise QB if you don't have any OL in place.

Yeah, that didn't happen at all.

I liked Rodney Pete better than Troy Aikman.

You REALLY don't want me picking your next all star QB.

I bought into the hype that he was one of the best high school players coming into college, and that he was just stuck on an average UCLA team.

In comment 15062924 Scott in Montreal said:

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In comment 15062166 bw in dc said: Quote: Assuming you mean first rounders. Off the top of my head... Rick Mirer Matt Leinert Brady Quinn David Carr Good list. Carr's whole career was derailed after that first season. He played well but got the shit kicked out of him. He was sacked something like 70 times that year. He took a serious beating and played with the football equivalent of PTSD for the rest of his career.

Exactly. He was a definitely a victim of circumstances. Horrible circumstances.

So athletic & could move around and rip it on the run. But in the NFL, it rarely went to the intended target. He had injuries. And then just quit after a few years.
The Story On Locker - ( New Window )

Rick Mirer
Joey Harrington
Todd Marinovich

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After that amazing MVP championship game in college, I thought he'd do way more... I wouldn't exactly say he sucked, but he did crash and burn.

That's still the best college football game and performance I've seen to this day, just a pure classic down to the legendary Keith Jackson announcing the game. Those 2 Rose Bowl performances are why Vince Young is my go to answer on "best college football player you've ever seen" threads.

I was really rooting for him because of all that. But at the same time, his Uncle Rico throwing motion and his infamous Wonderlic score were major red flags. My heart said he'd overcome it but my brain said he'd have a tough time succeeding in the NFL.

In comment 15062490 Nomad Crow on the Madison said:

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I read somewhere that DG said he would have picked Allen had he picked a QB that year. He said that shortly after that draft happened.

DG never said that.

The only post-2018 draft public comment from an NYG insider re the QBs was Chris Mara's remark in a radio interview with Mike Russo that: "We liked the QBs but we all had a different preference as to which one. We all agreed on Barkley."

Nothing further ever came out about who liked which QB.

My hunch, only a hunch, is that DG would have gone for Mayfield.

written, but I thought Mayfield was going to be a perennial top 5 type. Brings a lot to football teams that aren’t apparentl, but his skill on field is middling so far.

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My hunch, only a hunch, is that DG would have gone for Mayfield.

My hunch as well. I think the Jets wanted Mayfield too when they traded up to the number three slot (and were assuming he'd still be available when they were on the clock).

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QB from Notre Dame. Drafted by the Jets in same year they drafted Joe Namath.

He was the first guy I thought of too ... but the names mentioned by others should remind us that there’s no sure thing, and many with all the hype just flame out.

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Mirer from ND comes to mind. Anyone remember him?

How about the whole Montreal Canadian team.

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Sam Bradford Marcus Mariota Vince Young

Bradford and Young were the first two that came to mind. Bradford wasn’t bad, just fragile.

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He was the likely MVP in 2017. So the talent and the production have been evident.

But right now he looks shot, has the yips...Looks lost with less confidence, less arm, less decision making, etc.

I thought he was just in the wrong system after the coaching change at Penn St