That wasnt NEAR the line of scrimmage. But maybe we need another lecture as to how us dumb yokels just dont understand the intricacies of reffing an NFL game. Fucking dumbshits.
Again, not the point. The point is what is the rule? The announcers are awful so I don't trust them with anything. The last I remember the rule it was near the LoS. Yes, that is open for interpretation which is dumb but just because people don't like it doesn't mean they get to change the language of the rule. If IG is not reviewable then that tends to lean toward near as opposed to past the LoS. No?
Nope, rulebook states "at or beyond the line of scrimmage". That was 3 yards shy. Not even close. Link - ( New Window )
That wasnt NEAR the line of scrimmage. But maybe we need another lecture as to how us dumb yokels just dont understand the intricacies of reffing an NFL game. Fucking dumbshits.
Again, not the point. The point is what is the rule? The announcers are awful so I don't trust them with anything. The last I remember the rule it was near the LoS. Yes, that is open for interpretation which is dumb but just because people don't like it doesn't mean they get to change the language of the rule. If IG is not reviewable then that tends to lean toward near as opposed to past the LoS. No?
The rule says at or beyond the LOS. They aren't going to put in some subjective word like "near"
When there is a massive TOP advantage, how come the defense is always gassed but not the offense that is out there forever? Is it the ability of the offense to sub in and out more liberally?
Just have always accepted that without understanding it completely.
jpkmets,
My theory on that has always been this: Defense is more read and react, so you have a lot more stopping and starting, a lot more cutting, which I’ve always found more tiresome than a lot of straight line running without so much stopping and starting. (This makes sense too when you think of a car and how much more gas it uses per mile when it has to stop and start a lot.)
On Offense you know where you’re running on every play. A WR makes one cut and goes. The only exception is if you get the ball, THEN you may need to stop and start and make more cuts of course, but all offensive players don’t get the ball every play. Defenders need to stop and start a lot more: read where their man is going, stop, follow him, if he makes a cut, stop, follow him, then see who has the ball, stop, sprint toward that guy to tackle him, etc. (that’s the other thing— oftentimes most of the 11 defenders sprint toward the ball carrier in case they need to be the one to make the tackle, whereas offensive players, unless they’re in a position to make a block, are often able to just stop and watch the play when it’s far enough away from them)
Does that make any sense? It’s always made sense in my head but I’ve never actually written it out like that. I don’t mean for these statements about offense and defense to sound like absolutes— it’s all relative: It does seem like it takes a bit more energy to play D than to play O so there has to be something there? Idk
Why should an offense be allowed off the hook just because a QB threw the ball out of bounds when pressured. The defense should be rewarded. Get rid of the outside the pocket and at or beyond the LoS rule. It has to be in the vicinity of a receiver. Easy. Same goes for the end zone. Why do QBs get to throw it in the stands of nothing is there?
7 refs on field and not one saw the coach catch the ball 3 yards behind the line of scrimmage. Not a Chance! Refs purposely didn't throw flag. NFL is garbage this year! There was No conversation between the refs to discuss it. Oh yeah, and the broadcast sucks balls as well.
Why should an offense be allowed off the hook just because a QB threw the ball out of bounds when pressured. The defense should be rewarded. Get rid of the outside the pocket and at or beyond the LoS rule. It has to be in the vicinity of a receiver. Easy. Same goes for the end zone. Why do QBs get to throw it in the stands of nothing is there?
The QB throwing it away is part of the game, and they aren't completely off the hook because the defense caused the offense to waste a down. That is something
You really think it would improve the game forcing every qb to force a throw into coverage or purposely take a sack in order to avoid grounding? Injuries and turn overs would skyrocket.
Why should an offense be allowed off the hook just because a QB threw the ball out of bounds when pressured. The defense should be rewarded. Get rid of the outside the pocket and at or beyond the LoS rule. It has to be in the vicinity of a receiver. Easy. Same goes for the end zone. Why do QBs get to throw it in the stands of nothing is there?
The QB throwing it away is part of the game, and they aren't completely off the hook because the defense caused the offense to waste a down. That is something
You really think it would improve the game forcing every qb to force a throw into coverage or purposely take a sack in order to avoid grounding? Injuries and turn overs would skyrocket.
I think defenses get screwed over so much in the NFL. I love defensive battles. It would absolutely change the game. Not sure why injuries would skyrocket. Please don't go into why you think they would. I know what you are trying to say.
I love defensive battles as well. My thoughts is too many rule changes is what took this game away from that. If I had they authority I would roll back some of those instead of continuing to alter the game in hopes of getting it right. QB's have been throwing the ball out of bounds forever, that's not the problem.
I love defensive battles as well. My thoughts is too many rule changes is what took this game away from that. If I had they authority I would roll back some of those instead of continuing to alter the game in hopes of getting it right. QB's have been throwing the ball out of bounds forever, that's not the problem.
No one is saying QB’s can’t throw the ball away anymore. There simply has to be a receiver in the vicinity of where you’re throwing it. QBs throw the ball away with a receiver in the vicinity all the time. The questions of “make it to the LOS” or “outside of the tackle box” don’t come up as often, but point is you’d simply be eliminating THOSE throw aways.
Most refs get when they go to leave the stadium in Philly HAS to have an impact on them calling the game. Even with so few fans in the stands (are their fans at this game?)
The same shit I said he was doing on the punt returns? Where he clearly doesn’t know the purpose of football is to move the ball forward?? He just stands there like an idiot somehow thinking THAT will open up a running lane?
Most refs get when they go to leave the stadium in Philly HAS to have an impact on them calling the game. Even with so few fans in the stands (are their fans at this game?)
No fans right now. Had 7000 or so earlier in the year. But had to stop.
Belichick has been banging the drum to make everything reviewable
Hahaha. Well done
The guy on the line of scrimmage tells the referee if it got to the line or if their was a rb in the area...
That is why it is a delayed call..
i am an official that is how it is worked
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That wasnt NEAR the line of scrimmage. But maybe we need another lecture as to how us dumb yokels just dont understand the intricacies of reffing an NFL game. Fucking dumbshits.
Again, not the point. The point is what is the rule? The announcers are awful so I don't trust them with anything. The last I remember the rule it was near the LoS. Yes, that is open for interpretation which is dumb but just because people don't like it doesn't mean they get to change the language of the rule. If IG is not reviewable then that tends to lean toward near as opposed to past the LoS. No?
Nope, rulebook states "at or beyond the line of scrimmage". That was 3 yards shy. Not even close.
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That wasnt NEAR the line of scrimmage. But maybe we need another lecture as to how us dumb yokels just dont understand the intricacies of reffing an NFL game. Fucking dumbshits.
Again, not the point. The point is what is the rule? The announcers are awful so I don't trust them with anything. The last I remember the rule it was near the LoS. Yes, that is open for interpretation which is dumb but just because people don't like it doesn't mean they get to change the language of the rule. If IG is not reviewable then that tends to lean toward near as opposed to past the LoS. No?
The rule says at or beyond the LOS. They aren't going to put in some subjective word like "near"
That drive was made possible by blowing a call. An obvious call
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When there is a massive TOP advantage, how come the defense is always gassed but not the offense that is out there forever? Is it the ability of the offense to sub in and out more liberally?
Just have always accepted that without understanding it completely.
jpkmets,
My theory on that has always been this: Defense is more read and react, so you have a lot more stopping and starting, a lot more cutting, which I’ve always found more tiresome than a lot of straight line running without so much stopping and starting. (This makes sense too when you think of a car and how much more gas it uses per mile when it has to stop and start a lot.)
On Offense you know where you’re running on every play. A WR makes one cut and goes. The only exception is if you get the ball, THEN you may need to stop and start and make more cuts of course, but all offensive players don’t get the ball every play. Defenders need to stop and start a lot more: read where their man is going, stop, follow him, if he makes a cut, stop, follow him, then see who has the ball, stop, sprint toward that guy to tackle him, etc. (that’s the other thing— oftentimes most of the 11 defenders sprint toward the ball carrier in case they need to be the one to make the tackle, whereas offensive players, unless they’re in a position to make a block, are often able to just stop and watch the play when it’s far enough away from them)
Does that make any sense? It’s always made sense in my head but I’ve never actually written it out like that. I don’t mean for these statements about offense and defense to sound like absolutes— it’s all relative: It does seem like it takes a bit more energy to play D than to play O so there has to be something there? Idk
That does make sense! Thank you!
That drive was made possible by blowing a call. An obvious call
Absolutely. A 25 yard swing that totally changes the entire character of the game and there’s nothing from this shitty booth.
Half the Eagle fans who were about to go to bed are cracking open another beer and staying to watch the 3rd Q
The QB throwing it away is part of the game, and they aren't completely off the hook because the defense caused the offense to waste a down. That is something
You really think it would improve the game forcing every qb to force a throw into coverage or purposely take a sack in order to avoid grounding? Injuries and turn overs would skyrocket.
It is explicitly stated as non-reviewable.
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Why should an offense be allowed off the hook just because a QB threw the ball out of bounds when pressured. The defense should be rewarded. Get rid of the outside the pocket and at or beyond the LoS rule. It has to be in the vicinity of a receiver. Easy. Same goes for the end zone. Why do QBs get to throw it in the stands of nothing is there?
The QB throwing it away is part of the game, and they aren't completely off the hook because the defense caused the offense to waste a down. That is something
You really think it would improve the game forcing every qb to force a throw into coverage or purposely take a sack in order to avoid grounding? Injuries and turn overs would skyrocket.
I think defenses get screwed over so much in the NFL. I love defensive battles. It would absolutely change the game. Not sure why injuries would skyrocket. Please don't go into why you think they would. I know what you are trying to say.
No one is saying QB’s can’t throw the ball away anymore. There simply has to be a receiver in the vicinity of where you’re throwing it. QBs throw the ball away with a receiver in the vicinity all the time. The questions of “make it to the LOS” or “outside of the tackle box” don’t come up as often, but point is you’d simply be eliminating THOSE throw aways.
How dare you! It's Michael Myers from Halloween!
No fans right now. Had 7000 or so earlier in the year. But had to stop.